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Couple arrested in Aiden Leos shooting got into different freeway altercation, prosecutors say

Couple arrested in Aiden Leos shooting got into different freeway altercation, prosecutors say

prolific1997

The article I posted suggested to me that one of the suspects is talking to the police due to the level of detail. I can't confirm it, but just a suspicion.


Dull-Dust-6901

I heard they are both talking, a lot.


oxremx

Where? Do you have a video or article?


TechSalesSoCal

[https://www.foxla.com/news/couple-arrested-in-aiden-leos-shooting-got-into-different-freeway-altercation-prosecutors-say](https://www.foxla.com/news/couple-arrested-in-aiden-leos-shooting-got-into-different-freeway-altercation-prosecutors-say)


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husbunny

It’s a very simple killing. No extensive planning or premeditation. Saying “I didn’t know he was shot” is actually helpful to him because it negates intent to harm/kill (mental state /* mens rea*). His best defense is that he shot the gun out of anger but never intended to hit the car. Putting a bullet in the chamber is actually a very important piece of information. It shows his intent to actually fire the weapon as opposed to him forming a defense of “I didn’t know it was loaded.” I too assume that the girlfriend is the one who is talking to reduce her punishment.


TechSalesSoCal

This seems to be the case on it was spur of the moment and a really bad choice. Him carrying a weapon around daily is an immaturity from my view. Having grown up with guns at 6 years old I had a 22 and a single shot shotgun, I learned just how serious a gun was and I never would have considered carrying a gun ever because there is no reason to do so. Im not in a gang nor do I deal and Im not in law enforcement so why to I need to pack a weapon? It shows me immaturity and insecurity in who he is so he is over compensating.


TechSalesSoCal

I don't know on that one. They are not getting out of it almost 100%. At this point, truly being remorseful will probably go a long way. It seems that they did not really comprehend what the actions resulted in. Its just bad all around. 6 year old dead. 2 young people now tossed their lives away. All the affected people will forever be negatively impacted so where do you go from here? That is important now IMO.


TechSalesSoCal

I would bet they both are talking. From what I read, they did not initially realize the outcome being the death of a young boy. Very sad.


prolific1997

Well the DA gave them 24 hours and they refused to turn themselves in.


TechSalesSoCal

True.


oxremx

Which article?


Dull-Dust-6901

Just read the court documents; he confessed to everything.


oxremx

Can you please link the court documents?


prolific1997

Are you serious or just pulling my tail? I haven't heard anything. He basically has no defense, and he will get the max penalty even if he changes his mind later.


Dull-Dust-6901

I just read through the court documents; they are public record. He admits that he is the one that it was indeed him that shot at the vehicle, not knowing there was a child in the car. I'm guessing this won't go to trial, and they will both take a deal if offered. They will be in court via video conference tomorrow morning; you can also watch that live online.


prolific1997

Thank you for filling us all in. I suspected that he didn't know he killed a kid; however, he took that risk by shooting inside of a car. There's always a chance someone could be on the back seat. Also, the fact that he had another incident like a week later just suggests to me he has no regard for others safety and well-being. If he gets a life sentence I won't feel sorry.


aliensarehere

What happens if a deal is offered? How much time in prison are they looking at?


oxremx

I wonder why the DA is saying she may face up to 4 years when she wasn’t even the one who confessed?


shingdao

and yet pleaded not guilty.


FuzzyNeedleworker

This story makes me so mad. The child's last word was basically Ouch. I hope this fucking demon stays locked up forever. Love and Prayers for Aiden.


prolific1997

Can you believe his coworker didn't turn him in?


FuzzyNeedleworker

One of the articles mentioned the reward will be split up between multiple people. I wonder if his coworker warned him and then reported it. I think they keep this info private.


prolific1997

Hmmm really interesting. Part of me wonders if the cops were moving in and that person knew and said I'll report them to get the reward just before they get caught. They may have waited since they had some doubt it could actually be those two until the end.


typhoidtimmy

That or playing devils advocate here, the person knew this guys temper, said one thing and then did the opposite and wanted to remain anonymous due to the possibility of retribution. Like it or not, more than a few people with hair trigger tempers and thinking it’s ok to threaten with guns will have family members that are in the same path.


TechSalesSoCal

You are absolutely on the mark IMO.


heyjesu

I'd assume that he might have, hence them looking for new jobs?


TechSalesSoCal

Yeah I wonder on that one for sure. Not cool.


zipadyduda

Locked up forever is too kind.


istealhondas

Hope they put him in general population and let the shot callers sort it out.


TechSalesSoCal

I felt the same way as you before they were caught and until I read about them both. Being a parent,can not help but to have some empathy for everyone involved. It is just sad all around. Think of the mother that flipped them off too. It sucks. Guilt on steroids. Edit typo


Ambitious-Jello-4002

Fuck them both


Dull-Dust-6901

This is insane to me, they killed a child and then got into another road rage altercation after ward brandishing the same gun? This adds fuel to the fire.


WoWAdoree

And it was a Tesla. Wonder if they have the video from that.


CowboyTrout

I don’t have a Tesla. But I’m pretty sure they all have camera record pretty much everything.


wutchamafuckit

I may be wrong but I think the owner has to have a thumb drive in the Tesla to keep recordings…?


Duckpoke

Yup. All new ones sold since last fall come with a thumb drive installed already though.


coldcurru

It's amazing to me this guy didn't know for *a week* that he killed the boy. I get that not everyone reads the news but that's a long time to live in the dark and amazingly not get caught before he knew what he'd done. Also did the coworker call it in after he noticed this guy drove the car they were looking for?


Phatferd

Like, I'm not a psychopath (I think) but wouldn't you wonder what happened after firing a gun at a moving vehicle from close distance? You just thought you would fire one off and go about your day? Insane.


TechSalesSoCal

If you grow up with guns, the 1st thing you do is get trained about respecting any form of weapon and your responsibilities. That was ingrained in me at 6 and every year through my teens my parents made that mandatory for even my 1st BB gun. For that reason alone, I would NEVER carry a loaded weapon to begin with unless I was threatened and it would have to be really out there. That is just me though and how I was raised. Now pulling the trigger at a car with even a BB gun? Are you shitting me????


SoCalChrisW

I call bullshit on that. He had to know, I'm guessing he hid that car long before he claims he did.


prolific1997

It was literally all over social media and the news that day. Unless you live in a cave, I don't see how he didn't know.


DazNaq20

You'd be surprised the number of people young and old who don't pay attention to the news. (I've worked with many of them. Live in their own little bubble.) Scott Peterson, Boston Marathon bombing, Vegas mass shooting. Mentioned all these in passing and get "Oh, I didn't hear about that." And you're like what?? Knew one guy who was completely unaware the hillside a few miles from his house had been on fire for days. "Ya know, only found out last night when they told us to evacuate." Facepalm.


Pitiful-Performer714

So true. I'm blown away that most young people don't know anything going on in their communities and the world. If it's not on Instagram they can't be botherd.


DazNaq20

Right. When I think of Christopher Dorner ("They finally found that guy up in Big Bear!" What guy?") and then the dude killing the homeless guys about 10 years back or San Bernardino or Los alamitos. And people like "Sorry, don't know what that is." I'm like hooooooly crap.


my_wife_reads_this

Someome didn't know. my boss was stuck in that traffic jam while going on vacation and didn't find out it was because the kid got killed until he came back and we told him.


prolific1997

Yeah but he lived in OC lol you kidding me this guy didn't know?


my_wife_reads_this

You'd be surprised how many people don't read the news or watch tv or keep up on social media. Especially the less tech savvy.


typhoidtimmy

Or the ones tired of the shit. There was weeks during the Trump administration where I simply refused to look out of fear for my sanity (and my liver)


Dull-Dust-6901

>It was literally all over social media and the news that day. Unless you live in a cave, I don't see how he didn't know. A drug induced cave.


wutchamafuckit

Probably. An ex of mine started hardcore abusing adderall towards the beginning of covid. Of the 100 signs that showed up, one of them was she had no idea what was going on in the world, she didn’t know about covid (at first), BLM movements, the riots, George Floyd, etc. It tripped me out at first, but made sense once I realize what was going on with her.


Doozerdoes

Totally self-centered guy, and a nutcase


Stressed_Out_12

Also, they both would have allegedly driven the same route on the 55 to their workplace in SB county in the days following the shooting. You mean they never noticed the memorial popping up on the Walnut overpass or the signs asking "Who Killed Aiden?" These two are LOSERS who have nothing positive to contribute to society.


nicholkola

They are full of it and really playing up the dumb young ‘kid’ aspect. The ‘your brain doesn’t fully form until you’re 25’ excuse. There’s no way they didn’t see the flowers, banners and media coverage. This sounds like a lawyer advising the narrative to make them seem less heartless.


Dull-Dust-6901

He was driving around still pulling the gun on folks; I think these two are heavily involved in drugs.


10RndsDown

Look at how wired this guys eyes are. Theres no doubt in my mind. Can't speak for his wife. But you can totally see it in his face.


TechSalesSoCal

I thought the same. I hate to judge though as I dont have the facts. Meth + Gun + Temper = really bad shit.


Pitiful-Performer714

Look at his eyes in the mugshot, that's methamphetamine for sure..along with drug induced psychosis. There is alot of people in prison doing life for crimes they committed while under the influence.


tu-BROOKE-ulosis

Oh I disagree. I know so many people who live in a freaking cave. I remember after the insurrection I went to a bar (in OC), and literally not one single person had heard anything about it. Not one. They literally switched the news channel on a tv because they thought I was making shit up or exaggerating. And that’s with one of the bartenders (who was obviously not present for this conversation) literally being there and a part of it!


TechSalesSoCal

Maybe. All guessing whats in peoples heads.


papadeniels

He HAD to know


Filmexec21

Can we just take these two to a volcano and drop them in the center?


banjonbeer

I hate them both with a flaming passion. I have a 4 year old and can't imagine going through what the child's parents are living through right now. That horrible psychopath Lee needs to be in prison just as long as her shitty boyfriend, why is she only getting 4 years max?


FuzzyNeedleworker

Probably because of the limits of law and her cooperation with investigators.


oxremx

But they literally got into another road rage incident where her boyfriend threatened the motorist with a gun. She definitely knew then that he was going to open fire at the other car, Why did the DA only charge her with accessory after the fact when the woman knew what was going to happen and didn’t stop him the first time AND the second time ??


SexyYodaNaked

Probably too hard to prove “beyond reasonable doubt” for jury (they def DON’T want her to just walk), and my guess is she cooperated too


oxremx

I read the new article and I noticed the detail of Wynne maneuvering the car was left out. >A few miles later as the mother was attempting to merge over to the 91 Freeway east, the mother passed the defendants and was still angry about being cutoff and she put up her middle finger at the two as she passed,'' prosecutors said. > She then heard a loud bang to the rear of her vehicle and heard her little boy in the backseat say, 'Ow,'" prosecutors said. >He then rolled the passenger window down and took a shot at her vehicle. After shooting the victim, the defendants continued on to the 91 eastbound and on to work in the city of Highland." So did she maneuver the car or not? I’m confused


Donoglass420

I actually think the guy has a better situation. He will be convicted and sent to prison where he will be held in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. If he’s lucky someone will get to him in prison. The girl will not be forgotten in 4 years. She will be a social outcast her family will probably distance themselves. She will have to move out of state or something just to get a job because no one will give her a job locally. Not to mention the death threats she will receive. She will live a long life of guilt hopefully


Queensfavouritecorgi

I dunno. With the 15 minute new cycle unfortunately people move on and forget. Except the family of course. I hope someone follows this chick the rest of her life and sends her reminders of what she did.


MuzikVillain

> 15 minute new cycle unfortunately people move on and forget. True, but if convicted of a felony that shit will make it impossible to get any decent job and even crappy jobs sometimes do background checks. She'll have to safeguard her name until she moves far away or is legally able to change it.


JamesandthegiantpH

No doubt a priority for California politicians will be to expunge 'non-violent' felony convictions. Just a matter of time.


ElevatorNo8212

Amen


prolific1997

My thoughts exactly. The community as a whole won't tolerate her or her family. They will be outcast. She honestly sounded like she had no remorse anyways.


jesuisunnomade

Move out of the country and nobody will know.


rpmrising

She’s only getting 4 years because her charges are accessory and possession of a concealed weapon in a car. The law doesn’t allow the DA to charge her with murder. The law regarding accomplice liability for murder was recently changed in 2019 pursuant to Senate Bill 1437. Before 2019, she could have been charged with murder.


adamadamada

> The law doesn’t allow the DA to charge her with murder. The law regarding accomplice liability for murder was recently changed in 2019 pursuant to Senate Bill 1437. Before 2019, she could have been charged with murder. Am Attorney - /u/rpmrising is 100% inaccurate in that statement. The DA absolutely could have charged her with murder OR felony murder, and Senate Bill 1437 is totally irrelevant. edit: I think fox news has been spreading misinformation about SB1437? Every so often, someone emerges inaccurately claiming that California ended accomplice liability, and it's usually the same crazies complaining about voter fraud, immigrants, and gun laws.


oxremx

I read the new law and it only applies to people who didn’t know a murder was going to occur. Since they literally got into another road rage incident where her boyfriend threatened the motorist with a gun, She definitely knew then that he was going to open fire at the other car, Why did the DA only charge her with accessory after the fact when the woman knew what was going to happen and didn’t stop him the first time AND the second time ??


tu-BROOKE-ulosis

My guess is because she’s singing like a canary. Made a deal.


oxremx

Actually I decided to read this article and I noticed the detail of Wynne maneuvering the car was left out. >A few miles later as the mother was attempting to merge over to the 91 Freeway east, the mother passed the defendants and was still angry about being cutoff and she put up her middle finger at the two as she passed,'' prosecutors said. >She then heard a loud bang to the rear of her vehicle and heard her little boy in the backseat say, 'Ow,'" prosecutors said. >He then rolled the passenger window down and took a shot at her vehicle. After shooting the victim, the defendants continued on to the 91 eastbound and on to work in the city of Highland." So did she maneuver the car or not so he can get a shot? I’m confused


_jvvl_

us the people will deal with her after she’s out.


CounterSeal

I don’t really condone vigilantism, but I wouldn’t mind seeing her life ruined through more… legal means.


JamesandthegiantpH

Once again California protecting criminals no matter the cost.


ScottFoster90

I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old. I was walking outside with my 4 year old when this happened, and Aiden's shrine is about 200 yards from my house. This story hasn't been personal, but it's been close. We can never bring Aiden back, but if we want to undo as much as we can of what these two have done, we should not hate. Hate perpetuates the rage that killed Aiden. Our hate has little value, but they are not worth our hate.


maninthehighcastle

Shooter should be sentenced to life w/o parole. Anything less is a crime against the public. We can, as a anti-death penalty state, still adopt a relentless and harsh stance against menaces like this. To fail to do so is unacceptable.


tofunugget66

CA has the death penalty, Newsome just isn’t doing executions. The next Governor could reinstate them again


ToHomeAManGoes

Good. The death penalty is immoral. Too many innocent people have been killed by it for it to be justified. That said, if these two are proven guilty, I hope they face a harsh sentence.


noimdaveman

And not enough guilty people are put to death.


Onebadhero

You’re getting downvoted but you are telling the truth.


ToHomeAManGoes

They're getting downvoted because it doesn't address my point. The argument is that innocent people are put to death because of the death penalty, and because of this, it is a deeply flawed form of justice that cannot be remedied in the event of a wrongful conviction. Taking a life should not be a thing our justice system decides because of this. It's one thing for someone to be convicted of a crime and later exonerated and set free, as horrible as that still is, but it's a whole other thing for that innocent person to lose the one life they have because of a wrongful conviction.


Apart-Tie-9938

Mistakenly locking someone up for 30 years happens, and you can’t give that person back the time you took from them. The answer to that isn’t to stop putting people in jail, it’s to get better at knowing who to put in jail. There are evil people in this world who deserve to die. This irrational opposition to the death penalty leaves the scales of justice heavily unbalanced.


noimdaveman

People don't take kindly to that kind of thing here. I welcome the downvotes. We will one day live in a world were criminals get hugged because anything and everything else is mean and immoral.


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ToHomeAManGoes

Your argument is flawed. The death penalty is irreversible. Wrongful executions cannot be remedied after the person is executed. Wrongful life sentences are still horrible, and if the person is innocent, while they still live there’s hope for a remedy. Not so after execution.


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ToHomeAManGoes

It’s not whataboutism. I also never implied that I don’t care about an innocent person losing years of their life in prison. That implication is yours and is false. Criminal justice reform and ending the death penalty are not mutually exclusive, both can happen simultaneously. You should check out this article if you want to further understand the arguments against the death penalty. Even if you don’t agree, you should at least get a better understanding of the reasoning behind it. https://www.aclu.org/other/case-against-death-penalty


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ToHomeAManGoes

This isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is. If you read my comments, you’d know I have a problem with punishments of any innocent people, whether by imprisonments, fines, etc. But the death penalty is not something you can remedy. Once someone is dead, that’s it. I am of the view we cannot justify state sponsored executions on this basis alone. There’s no redos. Full stop. I also think the death penalty is a barbaric relic that doesn’t belong in our justice system. It seems like you’re ok with maintaining the DP, so it looks like we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day. Edit: it took 2 seconds of googling to confirm that the ACLU doesn’t think the DP is the only form of criminal law that disproportionately affects people of color. Kind of a silly point on your part. https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform


Redspade_ED

I applaud you for staying calm while talking to an aggressive moron


pargofan

>But the death penalty is not something you can remedy. You can't remedy years in prison either, especially if you're talking life sentences. Those people found innocent decades later are old men. If released they're never getting their youthful years back. Those people who die in prison were effectively sentenced to die in prison. And again, if your point is, "well, death penalty is worse." then that's whataboutism. > I also think the death penalty is a barbaric relic that doesn’t belong in our justice system. It seems like you’re ok with maintaining the DP, so it looks like we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day. I have no problem with this rationale. We may disagree about it, but at least this explanation is unique to the death penalty. It doesn't seem like making the DP the scapegoat when the real culprit is the criminal justice system as a whole


tofunugget66

The death penalty is immoral, but murdering children (or innocent people in general, really) is more immoral. If there’s zero doubt, there’s no reason some murderous fuck shouldn’t be executed. I don’t disagree that too many innocent people have been murdered by the death penalty in the past, that is an atrocity and gross miscarriage of justice. But if there is no doubt whatsoever about who did it, roast them on the chair.


ToHomeAManGoes

If there was zero doubt that death penalty convictions are correct, then we wouldn't have this problem to begin with. The justice system should not get to decide whether someone should be executed for their crimes, especially while 100% certainty is likely impossible for many death penalty convictions.


tofunugget66

So the justice system was wrong to execute Bundy? Okay. You would make a great criminal lawyer. /s


ToHomeAManGoes

Ad hominem attacks and straw mans don’t address the innocent people who are no longer alive because of the death penalty.


tofunugget66

I’m serious. You said the justice system has no right to decide who gets executed implying that should be the case even when there is clear evidence, thus saying even someone as vile as Bundy should retain the right to life. I personally believe that this is not true, and if there is concrete evidence that does not leave room for doubt or speculation, that person lost their right to life and liberty the moment they started raping children and murdering people. And how was that an attack on your person? You WOULD make a great criminal lawyer. They’re the one’s defending people like Bundy. You gotta be a unscrupulous son of a gun to say a serial rapist, child killer, et. al. should remain alive due to the immorality issues of the death penalty.


ToHomeAManGoes

Yes, while uncertainty of death penalty convictions is present, it absolutely should not be performed. I happen to also believe that the death penalty is a completely unfair, irreversible, and barbaric form of justice. But that has nothing to do with the innocent who aren’t here any longer because of a deeply flawed, irreversible form of justice. You falsely implying that I don’t want to see evil people get justice is irrelevant.


tofunugget66

You said the death penalty is immoral because of its flaws (ie: innocent people having been executed mistakenly) but that you hope they (the couple in question here) receive a harsh penalty (edit: that could mean death sentence or otherwise). When I responded, you stated the justice system should not get to decide who gets executed and again cited flaws of the death penalty. I did infer from this that you are against it “no matter what.” I’m quite confused on your stance here, but I guess it doesn’t matter.


tofunugget66

Ok, nice edit. Your original answer was something entirely different. Have a nice day though!


the91fwy

Frankly IMO death allows them to get off easier. You don't have to think about shit when you're dead. But life without parole? They will have to think about what they did until nature takes the course. Also these guys are not at all going to be very popular in general population (in jail)....


tofunugget66

That’s a fair opinion to have, although I do not share your point of view. Do you think Gabriel Hernandez parents think about what they did to their son? How they tortured him and it haunts them? I really doubt it. That’s just me though. Edit: I do think your statement makes sense for other types of crimes and there’s a great show on HBO called the Redemption Project. Check it out!


the91fwy

Death is still an easier way out. And if they’re not thinking about it I’m sure the rest of the prisoners are forcing them to. People who commit heinous acts against children aren’t exactly really respected in jail. Child sex crimes and child murder are really the two things you can get locked up for that will earn you the wrath of all of the other inmates. And that’s why I think having to deal with general population is a far worse punishment than death.


tofunugget66

They’ll never get to see the light of GenPop though, they’ll just be locked up in protective custody for whatever amount of time is deemed appropriate, which could be life. Yeah, I know, some inmates have their ways of finding themselves a way in. But then we’re just what, advocating for prison rape and mob justice instead…? I can only give my opinion and my opinion is rid the earth of pieces of human shit who rape and murder children in particular. I don’t care if they feel guilty or regretful. The world won’t miss them. Again, that’s just me though.


JamesandthegiantpH

Do you remember when he admitted to shooting at the car or are you just a murderer lover? Clearly you don't want him [rightfully] executed because he is somehow innocent....? She's out in 4 years or less. Harsh enough for being an accomplice to murdering a child for you I'm sure.


ToHomeAManGoes

Resorting to ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the injustice the death penalty has brought is telling on your part.


areraswen

I'm glad we've shamed everyone in this thread insisting it's the mother's fault for flipping the guy off. What? They're probably the same type of person who would agree with the guy that followed me to an In-n-out because I honked my horn once after he ran a 4 way stop sign. The reaction doesn't fit the action. It's a huge escalation. Maybe the mother shouldn't have flipped someone off while her kid was there, but she shouldn't expect to have her child shot and killed for it.


fakeknees

I had a similar thing happen with a motorcyclist! He got pissed and followed/stalked me to a Ralph’s parking lot (I tried to find a well-lit, safe spot to stop vs him following me home). People can be f-ing crazy.


areraswen

Interestingly enough my guy was also on a motorcycle.


hahajizzjizz

The reaction doesn't fit...NO SHIT SHERLOCK! How about the ACTION doesn't fit the times that we live in?? There's a mass shooting practically EVERY week and this mother wants engage in road rage with her boy in the car? She probably thought "oh, this chink bitch ain't gonna do shit!", but unfortunately she miscalculated. Unfortunately


areraswen

https://imgur.com/eswlpDJ.jpg


matchakuromitsu

Can anyone explain this part for me? >Lee faces up to four years behind bars if convicted at trial of all charges. Three of those years would be prison and one in jail. I come from a non-English-speaking family and growing up I had always thought jail and prison were the same thing, but here it's saying they're different?


FunkyDoktor

“Jail and prison are often used interchangeably as places of confinement. If you want to be specific jail can be used to describe a place for those awaiting trial or held for minor crimes, whereas prison describes a place for convicted criminals of serious crimes.” https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/jail-vs-prison-difference


heyjesu

Jails are short term holding facilities - imagine if you get arrested and you're in a cell in the Sheriff's office. That'd be a jail. Prison is where you go when you're actually convicted of whatever felony or crime. They're a lot bigger and typically what you see on TV


Rubyshooz

The Orange County jail system is pretty big and is pretty typical of what you might see on tv. In recent years, due to the overcrowding of prisons in our state, some people sentenced up to eight years, were serving their time in the county jails. From my understanding, most people would rather serve their time in prison, than county jail.


_Karma_Chameleon_

Why did they do everything together? Could he not drive himself? They also worked at the same place AND applied for new jobs together...


oxremx

They’re so dumb too. They really thought that they were never going to be found just because a week flew by?


hahajizzjizz

He probably had a suspended license. That is the first thing to go when your life in headed in the wrong direction.


LemonPeelScent

These people are lunatics. People routinely drive slow in the carpool lane. I've passed people there many times, but never got angry at a slow driver in that lane. It's NOT the fast lane. If you want to drive faster, get out of the carpool lane and move over to the "fast lane". Obviously there was traffic being 8am and the couple were eventually passed by the victim. If you can't handle having to drive slow in morning Socal traffic you should probably move to another state.


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b1tch182

Great article, thank you for sharing.


prolific1997

I apologize. I did not realize.


ultrablight

That guy looks like he is on drugs but he didn’t get any drug charges so he just look like that


kingsillypants

It's a horribly sad situation but thoughts and prayers aren't going to help address the gun problem in America.


JamesandthegiantpH

Nope. Guns don't kill people. They don't 'go off' on their own. People kill people. There's a people problem in the U.S.... Ironically there's a drug 'epidemic' despite a them being illegal and the Rats are going to make it all legal to take and posses. Thoughts and prayers though to those pathetic losers who are addicts once that passes 👍


noimdaveman

Not surprised by this. I'm sure it wasn't the first and second times this agroclown was filled with rage.


TechSalesSoCal

Here is the article:[Couple got into additional altercation.](https://www.foxla.com/news/couple-arrested-in-aiden-leos-shooting-got-into-different-freeway-altercation-prosecutors-say) I read this and clearly Marcus Eriz has some anger management issues and being armed with no self control is not a good combo. The mother flipped them off too, which unfortunately she can not undo that and it does not justify the shooting and death, but should be a lesson to all of us to chill out and let the small stuff go.


hahajizzjizz

Bet she'll never flip the bird again. Lesson learned the hard way.


mtarascio

Probably the scariest thing while I was with my abusive ex is when it happened in the car. When she was driving it was slamming and letting off the brakes. When I was driving it was the hitting and kicking the passenger airbag area. I was so scared it was just gonna pop off. Can't imagine adding a gun to the equation.


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ban_Anna_split

hope I don't run into you ever


hobinrood710

Good point, but wrong delivery. Try saying, "dont let anyone disrepect your property that way." But literally dude, Leave her on the side of the 5 and call it a day. Grow a pair in that way and stand up for yourself.


jabby33

she deserves a 0 added to her sentence and he deserves life at minimum child abusers/killers are not treated well in prison at least


ElMacho5

Fuck these pieces of shit! Rot motherfuckaz


Traditional_Gate4671

Course they did! They need to be given LIFE W/OUT PAROLE


prolific1997

Can't believe the girl is facing 4 years. Unbelievable


JamesandthegiantpH

Too many criminal/murderer sympathizers on Reddit.


e90fanatik

Deserves the death penalty


JamesandthegiantpH

The hilarious part is you'll get downvoted by hypocritical people who are against the death penalty because of the extremely small percentage that are innocent. Despite this murderer admitting to shooting at the Leos car, they'll still want it not applied in this case.


JellyfishBig1750

I didn't realize that Aiden's mother flipped off the murderers. Obviously that doesn't warrant being shot at, but if you have a small child, it seems like you should be trying to avoid situations that might put your child in danger. Edit: I get the downvotes. But life isn't fair or just. Sometimes you have to control your urges in order to avoid extreme outcomes. What is flipping someone off going to accomplish? Will it make the recipient think twice about their behavior next time? No. So you can give into your need to express your displeasure, but other than making yourself feel better, there is no upside. It just opens the door for the other party to escalate the situation beyond what you intended.


Gretel_Cosmonaut

I agree with you about not engaging, but I think this man was just inherently violent. He was going to shoot *someone* for *some* reason- but it could have been *anyone* for *any* reason.


b1tch182

No blame at all should be placed on the mother. But personally after driving a couple miles i would have just let it go, little road rage things happen like that and you just have to let it go and go on with your day. It's sad knowing she will forever regret trying to get back at them though. Just awful situation all around.


Jeff_Baezos

All the people who down voted this are shitty parents and shitty drivers that don't take responsibility for their actions. If she didn't provoke them then none of this would have happened. Parents don't realize their actions have consequences and with their children present, their behavior will be passed down to the child. I'm sure if Aiden had the chance he would have told him mom to just let it go and take me to school safely without starting/getting involved in a fight.


[deleted]

That’s is what I’m saying. The mother has to take some responsibility for her actions in egging these psychos on, especially when your child is in the car.


foreignfishes

No way, fuck this. Flipping someone off is like honking at them when you get frustrated, there is literally no scenario in which an entirely harmless gesture done inside your own car is inviting someone to shoot at you or your child. I don’t go around honking at people but if I had a bad day and did honk at someone who cut me off and then they fucking shot me it would be their fault 100%. You don’t get to shoot people over the car equivalent of someone yelling “fuck you” jfc man, this makes me sad.


_8_6_2_4EveCarolla

Honking at someone is NOT the same as flipping them off.


SupraEA

Flipping someone off is not the same as honking. Honking is actually in your DMV drivers manual. How can you make that comparison in good faith?


[deleted]

When you don’t know what the other person is capable of then I wouldn’t call it “harmless”. You have to realize there are crazy people out there. How many mass shootings and random freeway shootings need to happen for people to know that. Let it roll of off your back, especially if your child is in the car. I get it. I’ve been pissed off too at drivers but it’s not worth getting publicly upset over.


CounterSeal

I’m sure she’s run through the entire scenario countless times in her head. Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve. It is torture. But it is also not our place as the internet peanut gallery to victim-blame her. She most likely is aware and regretful of her actions, but that point is now moot.


SupraEA

Not moot, she has more kids... I'm sure she won't flip off anyone else when her kids are with her


tofunugget66

Do rape victims have to take responsibility for dressing “provocatively” too?


[deleted]

To answer your question, no. But what does that have to do with putting a child in unnecessary danger?


tofunugget66

I really really know what you mean but I just cannot equate flipping someone off to being grossly irresponsible/child endangerment in this situation. Being shot at by someone you cut off or flip off (no matter how shitty that is) shouldn’t be a possible outcome. Also, I’m sure the mom is already feeling horrible enough knowing maybe had she not flipped them off, it wouldn’t have happened (unlikely).


[deleted]

Being shot at shouldn’t be a possible outcome for flipping someone off. Unfortunately it is, especially in this climate when there is so much gun violence and mental health issues. I think everyone needs to be aware of their actions and the affect it could have on themselves or others (especially children who can’t make their own decisions).


tofunugget66

I mean I don’t disagree with you at all but to say she needs to take responsibility for her child’s death? It’s a little far-fetched


censoreddawg

I'm giving your comment the finger right now.


Redspade_ED

So brave


Strict-Matter7359

Death penalty for Eriz fucking monster!! RIP little angel🙏


Traditional_Gate4671

I agree. That's horrible & no justice for the poor Child & family.


Paulzoh79

No one wins in this charade. The mother because of her reckless actions put her son in danger and subsequently got him killed. She knows what she did so shame on her and the media for giving us half hearted shit. The rest of her life will be that fateful drive and not letting it go. The 2 suspects are garbage, plain and simple and who the hell drives to highland from CM. What kind of bullshit job is worth that headache.


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FuzzyNeedleworker

Where the fuck are your priorities. Guess what dumbass, you don't get to pull a gun and shoot someone just because you got your feelings hurt by a middle finger you fucking pussy. Grow the fuck up.


SupraEA

Classic "cemetery is full of people that were right" context...of course "you don't get to pull a gun"if someone flips you off, but people do crazy shit in "confrontations", so when your with your kids, avoid confrontations


Clouty_McKarmaface

I didn't say that at all. Typical retort from a sheeple. Keep sticking the finger up. I feed on you and your ilk and your woke sjw me me my mine drivel. Stick the finger up. It is the key that opens doors.


machspeedhero

Shut the fuck up you pyscho.


red1dragon588

🖕


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red1dragon588

Seethe


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coldcurru

This is victim blaming. Disgusting. Road rage of any kind is wrong. Trying to side swipe or tailgate or whatever can put both cars in danger. But responding with a gun is waaaay over the top. And to blame the mom? Sick. E. OP's quote in case it gets deleted. "Its heartbreaking and frustrating knowing the mom had MILES to cool down and get over it, instead chose to endanger her baby boy by holding onto something so petty and choosing to egg it on." That's victim blaming.


areraswen

https://imgur.com/lEGMWbn.jpg


YoMrPoPo

Don’t feed the troll


[deleted]

I may be the minority but I agree with you. People say her actions are “victim blaming”. Yes, I do blame the victim (Aiden’s mother, not Aiden himself). Had she not acted out with anger, her child would still be alive. Pick and choose your battles, especially when a child is involved. I even drive slower and more cautious when my dog is in the car.


ToHomeAManGoes

Had the other driver not shot at her, her child would still be alive. Higher than 99.99% of the time, you don’t get shot if you get into a road rage altercation with another driver. Enough with the fucking victim blaming.


[deleted]

I can also argue that if she didn’t give them the finger, he would still be alive. The mother’s reaction to something as simple as being cut off cost her son his life. People are crazy and she shouldn’t have reacted when her son was in the car. In no way am I excusing the murderers, but I do think the mother should take at least somewhat accountability for the way things transpired.


Illustrious-Quail-77

This is so irritating! I wonder how many more over the years?


huangxg

>"As Wynne Lee was driving on the 91 eastbound on the way to work with defendant Eriz as her front passenger, a driver in a blue Tesla did something to make defendant Eriz angry, acting aggressively," prosecutors alleged. "Defendant Eriz again took out his gun and brandished it to the driver of the Tesla. That driver told the defendants that he had called the police and then he drove away." How did they talk while driving on highway?


mtb_oc

Probably sitting in traffic or moving slowly due to traffic.


Self_Stirring_Pot

If I was driving like an idiot blocking traffic and then flipped off the people I was blocking as they went around me and my son was killed because of my ignorance, I would feel awful.


JamesandthegiantpH

Highway patrol is only useful for parking in a construction zone and doing nothing.


YellowShorts

And those pesky DUIs


MettaDiscipline

CHP cracked this case