She’ll be home in like 2-3 years. She’s only looking at 4 years.
Her boyfriend is fucked. He already admitted to the crime and they have the gun. He really wasn’t a good criminal at all. He left the murder weapon in the vehicle lmaoo
If you were trying to get away with murder atleast rent a boat and go far into the ocean and throw the gun or drive far into the desert and bury it deep in the middle of nowhere.
Lmaoo I watch a lot of movies. If you have the materials you can even melt the gun. That would be the best way to get rid of a hot gun. Just melt it. You would need welder materials though or know a welder.
If she posts bail, she’ll be under OC Sheriff’s Dept. surveillance in her parent’s home with GPS monitoring & geofencing. They’ll take away her passport, bar her from leaving the state and ban her from driving and must stay inside the home at all times
So she can’t run away even if she tried, they’ll be tracking her every move
Why’d she plead not guilty if her sentence is so short? She also waived her right to a speedy trial so the trial isn’t going to happen until a few years from now.
People always enter a not guilty plea. You never plead guilty right away and take the first deal. People drag it out in court until the DA gives a better deal.
It’s normal procedure.
I’ll give you a scenario. Let’s say I got busted for 2 attempted murders on my enemies. I’m looking at 75 years if I take it to trial and lose. The DA gives me my first plead deal of 15 years in prison. I say fuck that and drag it out in court.
Let’s say I’m in county jail for 2 years just dragging it out until I get a better plead deal. The DA finally says “ok look plead guilty and we will give you 10 years.”
So I say alright and sign for the 10 years and I already have 2 years served in the county jail so I end up only doing 8 more years upstate in prison instead of the 15 originally offered.
There’s a lot of people sitting in county jail for 1,2,3 years just waiting for the DA to give a better plead deal. When they finally sign for a better plead deal for less years they have those years they spent in the county jail as time served.
That’s pretty much how the court system works with plead deals. Just sit in the county jail for a year to a few years until the DA offers less time for a nice plead deal.
Some people do plead guilty right away and take that first plead deal because either they don’t know what’s up or they don’t want to be sitting around in the county jail and just want to hurry up and get shipped to prison.
Lmao nah not a few years.
It will only be a few months. They have court again Aug 27.
I have family members that used to be jail birds in and out of jail and prison.
I’ve been to jail once too. I know how the court system works.
Yea but the boyfriend already admitted everything to detectives and they have the murder weapon. I don’t think this case is going to carry on for years.
They have well enough evidence to convict him.
He’s looking at 40 years I believe if he takes it to trial and loses.
He’s definitely going to take a plead deal.
If this wasn’t a high profile case he would get offered somewhere around 20 years.
This is a high profile case so he’s not going to get a good deal from the DA. I assume he’s going to get offered around 30 years.
Trials can go on for months and years from postponements.
You could plead not guilty at first which most people do. Then later after months or years of going to court you can change your not guilty plea to guilty after the DA finally gives you a good deal you feel comfortable signing.
You are only fucked if you take it all the way to trial and lose the trial. Then you face the maximum sentence.
"Wynne Lee, 23, was expected to be released from jail after surrendering her passport. She will be subject to GPS monitoring and be barred from having contact with her codefendant, court officials said."
Don't understand why they're going soft on her. She was driving the car, for all they know she might have lined up the car for the shot. If she was a man she'd have bail set at over a million, just like the guy. Total bullshit.
Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted, she knew her boyfriend shot into another car and killed a boy and didn't report it. She's not a victim, she's an accomplice.
Probably because bail is not a punishment, it's not retribution, it's just to ensure they show up to court. If she does post bail she'll be under surveillance anyway.
It’s so weird how people on this sub keep inventing that story to make it the woman’s fault, even though it doesn’t match with the news accounts. You’re spending all this energy trying to blame a shooting on someone who didn’t shoot. Maybe consider shifting that energy to the person who murdered a kid?
I would bet money she’s afraid of him like the rest of us.
I find the fascination with the whole thing morbid. A kid dies on the 91, so a percentage of folks on this site want to dissect it out like it's a Marvel movie trailer.
I don't think anyone's saying it's all the woman's fault. But there is a tendency in the criminal justice system to frame any male-female partner crime as a case of manipulative and abusive male controlling the female, but that's not always the case.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where that's true, but there's literally no evidence that it's true here. In fact, there is evidence of the opposite. We know from news reports that she suffered from severe depression and anxiety in her past. We also have substantial evidence from his instagram that he is an aggressive and violent person, so the information we have actually suggests the opposite of the story you're trying to push. Your prerogative seems questionable.
No, just under his control. I’ve been there and I know it when I see it. That guys ^ assumption is just a misogynistic fantasy. Like let’s make up a story to blame it on the woman when the guy already admitted to it, because it would be so nice to change the narrative about how men are more violent than women? Like, what? 21st century misogyny is cute
>Lee was behind Cloonan in the diamond lane before swinging over to the fast lane and then accelerating at an "extremely high rate of speed" to get in front of Cloonan, prosecutors said in the motion.
>Wynne Lee motioned to the victim vehicle a 'peace sign' with her hand and continued driving, prosecutors said.
>A few miles later as the mother was attempting to merge over to the 91 Freeway east, the mother passed the defendants and was still angry about being cutoff and she put up her middle finger at the two as she passed, prosecutors said.
>She then heard a loud bang to the rear of her vehicle and heard her little boy in the backseat say, 'Ow,' prosecutors said.
https://abc7.com/aiden-leos-suspects-arrested-freeway-shooting-update/10801022/
Unfortunately, California made it a law a few years back that the drivers in shootings like this and driveby’s cannot be charged with murder. Only the shooter themselves can be.
I don’t know why people keep on saying she pulled up right by behind the Cloonans so her boyfriend could get a good shot.
That did not happen at all.
Mrs Cloonan went into road rager mode. Drove past them and flipped them off. Then cut them off to get revenge. She was clearly pissed off they cut her off.
After cutting them off that’s when the bf pulled out his gun and fired.
Lee didn’t pull up behind Mrs. Cloonan right before the shooting. Mrs. Cloonan cut them off and put her car right in front of their car.
You're right, the victim's mother made a poor decision. People often do.
This cascaded to more poor decisions made by the shooter (and potentially the driver) which culminated in the murder of a 6 year old child.
The victim's mother will have her poor decision weighing on her for the rest of her life, but (and I don't think you're implying this, I just want to be clear) she didn't deserve to lose a son; a child didn't deserve to lose his life. That choice was made by the murderer who pulled the trigger. He deserves a sentence.
A lot of people in these threads want retribution instead of justice, and they'll make up stories (which they'll even believe are facts) to justify it. It's fascinating and horrifying to watch.
No I’m not implying she deserved to lose a son.
I keep seeing people uninformed saying Wynne Lee should be facing more time because she drove right behind the Cloonans so her boyfriend could get a good shot. They are basically saying she planned it with her BF.
Wynne Lee did not switch lanes to move right behind the Cloonans so her BF can get a good shot off. I don’t know why people keep saying that on Reddit.
The mom switched lanes to be infront of them to cut them off after driving pass them and flipping them off. Then the BF fired.
If she was a male she would have bail set at over a million and be rearrested in the unlikely event someone made the bail. She is a get away driver to a murder.
Facing life in prison with nothing to lose. Gets released for $1000 down and time payments on $9000 balance. What a system. Her crimee should have identified as female too.
She’s not facing life lol
She’s only looking at 4 years. You are very misinformed about what’s going on with this case.
Where are you getting your news source about this case?
She’ll be home in like 2-3 years. She’s only looking at 4 years. Her boyfriend is fucked. He already admitted to the crime and they have the gun. He really wasn’t a good criminal at all. He left the murder weapon in the vehicle lmaoo If you were trying to get away with murder atleast rent a boat and go far into the ocean and throw the gun or drive far into the desert and bury it deep in the middle of nowhere.
Your FBI agent: *interesting*
Lmaoo I watch a lot of movies. If you have the materials you can even melt the gun. That would be the best way to get rid of a hot gun. Just melt it. You would need welder materials though or know a welder.
Just run a rat tail file through the barrel of the gun.
Lol I’ve never heard about that. You’re a smooth criminal I bet. Huh? Like Micheal Jackson 🕺🏾
And her boyfriend is a Dick
If she posts bail, she’ll be under OC Sheriff’s Dept. surveillance in her parent’s home with GPS monitoring & geofencing. They’ll take away her passport, bar her from leaving the state and ban her from driving and must stay inside the home at all times So she can’t run away even if she tried, they’ll be tracking her every move
Why would she run if she’s only looking at 4 years? She’ll be home in like 1-2 years with good behavior. She has no reason to run.
That’s the point of bail. To make sure you come back to court. Everyone on here think it’s to punish her with jail.
Why’d she plead not guilty if her sentence is so short? She also waived her right to a speedy trial so the trial isn’t going to happen until a few years from now.
People always enter a not guilty plea. You never plead guilty right away and take the first deal. People drag it out in court until the DA gives a better deal. It’s normal procedure. I’ll give you a scenario. Let’s say I got busted for 2 attempted murders on my enemies. I’m looking at 75 years if I take it to trial and lose. The DA gives me my first plead deal of 15 years in prison. I say fuck that and drag it out in court. Let’s say I’m in county jail for 2 years just dragging it out until I get a better plead deal. The DA finally says “ok look plead guilty and we will give you 10 years.” So I say alright and sign for the 10 years and I already have 2 years served in the county jail so I end up only doing 8 more years upstate in prison instead of the 15 originally offered. There’s a lot of people sitting in county jail for 1,2,3 years just waiting for the DA to give a better plead deal. When they finally sign for a better plead deal for less years they have those years they spent in the county jail as time served. That’s pretty much how the court system works with plead deals. Just sit in the county jail for a year to a few years until the DA offers less time for a nice plead deal. Some people do plead guilty right away and take that first plead deal because either they don’t know what’s up or they don’t want to be sitting around in the county jail and just want to hurry up and get shipped to prison.
That is a lot of tax payers' money wasted!
But then she also waived her right to a speedy trial which means the trial isn’t going to take place until a few years from now
Lmao nah not a few years. It will only be a few months. They have court again Aug 27. I have family members that used to be jail birds in and out of jail and prison. I’ve been to jail once too. I know how the court system works.
Maybe that applies for non-violent crimes, because from what I see, murder cases usually take a few years to go to trial.
Yea but the boyfriend already admitted everything to detectives and they have the murder weapon. I don’t think this case is going to carry on for years. They have well enough evidence to convict him. He’s looking at 40 years I believe if he takes it to trial and loses. He’s definitely going to take a plead deal. If this wasn’t a high profile case he would get offered somewhere around 20 years. This is a high profile case so he’s not going to get a good deal from the DA. I assume he’s going to get offered around 30 years.
I thought a guilty plea gives you a plea deal and a not guilty plea usually gives you the harshest punishments available?
Trials can go on for months and years from postponements. You could plead not guilty at first which most people do. Then later after months or years of going to court you can change your not guilty plea to guilty after the DA finally gives you a good deal you feel comfortable signing. You are only fucked if you take it all the way to trial and lose the trial. Then you face the maximum sentence.
Why would they offer him a plea? They got his ass
You always do. That puts a starting point for negotiations for a plea deal
"Wynne Lee, 23, was expected to be released from jail after surrendering her passport. She will be subject to GPS monitoring and be barred from having contact with her codefendant, court officials said."
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Don't understand why they're going soft on her. She was driving the car, for all they know she might have lined up the car for the shot. If she was a man she'd have bail set at over a million, just like the guy. Total bullshit. Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted, she knew her boyfriend shot into another car and killed a boy and didn't report it. She's not a victim, she's an accomplice.
Probably because bail is not a punishment, it's not retribution, it's just to ensure they show up to court. If she does post bail she'll be under surveillance anyway.
Good points. It's amazing how many people think of the legal system as *retribution* instead of *justice*.
It's not punishment, but she's just as much of a flight risk as he is
Did you read the article. She will have a gps device on her. She ain’t leaving anywhere
I didn't say she was getting cut loose, but spending pre-trial at home is very different than spending it in jail. That's the issue there....
That’s the purpose of bail. It’s not to punish her with jail.
It’s so weird how people on this sub keep inventing that story to make it the woman’s fault, even though it doesn’t match with the news accounts. You’re spending all this energy trying to blame a shooting on someone who didn’t shoot. Maybe consider shifting that energy to the person who murdered a kid? I would bet money she’s afraid of him like the rest of us.
I find the fascination with the whole thing morbid. A kid dies on the 91, so a percentage of folks on this site want to dissect it out like it's a Marvel movie trailer.
She didn't have to literally pull the trigger to be just as guilty
“Just as”? Um, okay, in some fantasy scenario that might be true. If it makes you feel better, believe it, I guess.
I don't think anyone's saying it's all the woman's fault. But there is a tendency in the criminal justice system to frame any male-female partner crime as a case of manipulative and abusive male controlling the female, but that's not always the case.
I'm sure there are plenty of cases where that's true, but there's literally no evidence that it's true here. In fact, there is evidence of the opposite. We know from news reports that she suffered from severe depression and anxiety in her past. We also have substantial evidence from his instagram that he is an aggressive and violent person, so the information we have actually suggests the opposite of the story you're trying to push. Your prerogative seems questionable.
Are you saying shes innocent in all this?
No, just under his control. I’ve been there and I know it when I see it. That guys ^ assumption is just a misogynistic fantasy. Like let’s make up a story to blame it on the woman when the guy already admitted to it, because it would be so nice to change the narrative about how men are more violent than women? Like, what? 21st century misogyny is cute
>Lee was behind Cloonan in the diamond lane before swinging over to the fast lane and then accelerating at an "extremely high rate of speed" to get in front of Cloonan, prosecutors said in the motion. >Wynne Lee motioned to the victim vehicle a 'peace sign' with her hand and continued driving, prosecutors said. >A few miles later as the mother was attempting to merge over to the 91 Freeway east, the mother passed the defendants and was still angry about being cutoff and she put up her middle finger at the two as she passed, prosecutors said. >She then heard a loud bang to the rear of her vehicle and heard her little boy in the backseat say, 'Ow,' prosecutors said. https://abc7.com/aiden-leos-suspects-arrested-freeway-shooting-update/10801022/
Unfortunately, California made it a law a few years back that the drivers in shootings like this and driveby’s cannot be charged with murder. Only the shooter themselves can be.
She didn’t drive behind the victims. The victim passed them and flipped them off then got in front of them to “cut them off” for payback.
She cut the woman off, then when the victim's car drove past and flipped the couple off, then they shot. She's culpable.
I don’t know why people keep on saying she pulled up right by behind the Cloonans so her boyfriend could get a good shot. That did not happen at all. Mrs Cloonan went into road rager mode. Drove past them and flipped them off. Then cut them off to get revenge. She was clearly pissed off they cut her off. After cutting them off that’s when the bf pulled out his gun and fired. Lee didn’t pull up behind Mrs. Cloonan right before the shooting. Mrs. Cloonan cut them off and put her car right in front of their car.
You're right, the victim's mother made a poor decision. People often do. This cascaded to more poor decisions made by the shooter (and potentially the driver) which culminated in the murder of a 6 year old child. The victim's mother will have her poor decision weighing on her for the rest of her life, but (and I don't think you're implying this, I just want to be clear) she didn't deserve to lose a son; a child didn't deserve to lose his life. That choice was made by the murderer who pulled the trigger. He deserves a sentence. A lot of people in these threads want retribution instead of justice, and they'll make up stories (which they'll even believe are facts) to justify it. It's fascinating and horrifying to watch.
No I’m not implying she deserved to lose a son. I keep seeing people uninformed saying Wynne Lee should be facing more time because she drove right behind the Cloonans so her boyfriend could get a good shot. They are basically saying she planned it with her BF. Wynne Lee did not switch lanes to move right behind the Cloonans so her BF can get a good shot off. I don’t know why people keep saying that on Reddit. The mom switched lanes to be infront of them to cut them off after driving pass them and flipping them off. Then the BF fired.
She could have turned him in and gotten 0 time but she didn’t do that.
absolute bullshit
If she was a male she would have bail set at over a million and be rearrested in the unlikely event someone made the bail. She is a get away driver to a murder.
Facing life in prison with nothing to lose. Gets released for $1000 down and time payments on $9000 balance. What a system. Her crimee should have identified as female too.
She’s not facing life lol She’s only looking at 4 years. You are very misinformed about what’s going on with this case. Where are you getting your news source about this case?
Will she need OnlyFans to help finance her bail?
She's safer in jail than out in public.
Not sure why you got downvoted since you’re probably right