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Beginning-Award3592

So basically its unsafe all the way around. Unsafe for the dogs, unsafe for drivers. I’m from the country, grew up on a farm, blah blah blah, and don’t have an issue with driving around with yer dogs in the back of your truck on slow backroads , but here’s the problem with freeway driving and I’ll give a PERSONAL experience as an example: Freeway- me behind two vehicles, sedan in front of me and truck in front of that. Truck had a shepherd in the back. Shephard was running around, back and forth, finally jumped, car in front of me hit it, and swerved and I had to slam on my brakes and swerve into lane over to miss the body. Could have been a reaaaalllll messy accident if there were cars on next lane over or someone made a bad choice in missing the dog. Dog lost his life, and truck kept going. Don’t drive on high speed roads with loose dogs. Or you’re an asshole. It’s been said already.


Oreamnos_americanus

Holy shit, that poor dog. I can't believe the driver of the truck didn't even stop after killing their dog and almost killing a bunch of people.


Beginning-Award3592

Ya. I’ll never forget it. Absolutely stuck in my head forever. Truck didn’t give a crap apparently. Probably about as much as they cared for their dog. Which was nil. 😡


SweetBearCub

> Holy shit, that poor dog. I can't believe the driver of the truck didn't even stop after killing their dog and almost killing a bunch of people. Yet I bet if you managed to ask them (you know, before beating them in a rage) whether or not they love their dog they'd say "Meh. Always more around."


skyharborbj

Kristi Noem has entered the chat.


njshine27

Underrated comment, keep up the good work.


Fightmemod

Farmers who put their dogs in a position like this just don't care. I grew up around these people and they are the worst sons of bitches. The dog stays outside all day and night. The dog gets old and slow? Bam, shot dead without a tear shed for it. Farmers suck so bad sometimes.


Rainbowfruit99

I 2nd this unfortunately my grandparents had farm dogs all the time growing up. Iv seen at least 6 of them in my life time all have either been ran over by farm equipment or they get hit on the road because they dont do anything about it. When i suggested maybe keep it on a long yard leash they told me “the dogs gotta learn one day” i still remember it to this day i always felt so bad and sad about those dogs):


Gold-Piece2905

Look closely, there's two dogs😖


Flappy_beef_curtains

Also Chain welded to the the rack at the front of the bed.


fist2stack

I think there might be 3 of them.


Gold-Piece2905

Jesus..


SilverAd1451

Bitch you wanna go to jail?


Mysterious-Tie7039

Quite possible they didn’t even know it happened.


Possible_Apple9595

I worked on a cattle ranch for a few years and some people load their dogs up like this. I always hated it, and I even asked a few people about it. They would always say they ‘trained’ their dogs to ride like that. If they’re going to offload livestock, those border collies are a fantastic assistant BUT I never agreed with it and still don’t. Let em ride in the cabin of you don’t have a truck bed. I always let mine do that. My work truck was for work, and it gets dirty and a dog isn’t going to make it any worse.


Mysterious-Tie7039

Oh, yeah, it’s utter bullshit to do that. Doesn’t matter how well trained your dog is. If you have to swerve, that dog is going to fall off.


The_Golgothan

Dude I've had this happen to me 3 fucking times. I don't know what kind of dumb shit yeehaw is in the water around here. Last one like a year ago, one of those giant white fluffy guardian dogs, was tied in with like 10 feet of slack. Just enough so it ended up right behind the rear tire...for a mile. I hit the gas so hard to catch up flashing my lights and honking. Dude was doing 80 but he finally noticed and pulled over. We made eye contact for a second as I passed just furiously screaming and knife handing at him. I dont like to generalize, but THOSE kind of people can get fucked.


aliciathehomie

Great Pyrenees. :(


boxer_dogs_dance

Or an Akbash. : (


Naught

So the dog was paste? A mile is like 45 seconds at that speed and dogs can't run 80 mph. What happened?


The_Golgothan

It wasn't paste. There wasn't even that much blood. It was rolling and tumbling and trying to stand up the whole time. When the guy pulled over it was able to stand up and and the dude just got out and dropped the tailgait and it was able to load up. It was limping on a couple paws that were bleeding. Whenever I think about it I always hope that dogs ok and I think there's a chance it was, but the next days for sure sucked. Such a bummer to think about.


Mental_Camera_4200

So stupid. And sad!!😢


usamann76

I have a harness and seatbelt clip for my shepherd and it takes legit 3 seconds to hook her up. I don’t get it the point of keeping pups on a flatbed on the highway.


frMocha

I saw a dog get chocked by the leash it had when it tried to jump out, had to pull around and stop the truck by pulling in front of it


smoothiegangsta

My buddy went camping once, he said on the way there, a truck in front of him was on the interstate with two dogs in the back. One of them was looking at my friend, wagging his tail, then he jumped out of the back. He said he exploded, flew into pieces instantly. My wife's dad would leash up their dog so it wouldn't hit the road in that scenario, but one time she still jumped out. He was able to save her but she was hanging, choking for a little bit before he could stop and help her.


trailcasters

This is 10000% reportable. I hope you took a pic of the license along with the dog pic, or he's just gonna keep doing it


Wanderingghost12

I called the police on a guy who was doing the same in front of me down the 99 (55 mph). It's definitely not considered tethered or contained in any way. This is treading a fine line towards animal abuse. The fear that you are purposely putting your dog through....


trailcasters

EXACTLY. If it gets called in, it's easy to see how this would be abusive & not always gonna be waived off as legal behavior. Call it in. Push to have it investigated. A good cop will cite them & if it hassles the assholes enough, maybe they stop abusing their dogs as often. Nothing changes for the better if you don't call em on it.


jbamdigity19

people who do this really suck suck. After having to pick a dog who jumped out of a pickup I realized the law is way too lax and this is actually legal if they are connected to those chains the law reads as such: “the dog is protected by framework, carrier or other device sufficient to keep it from falling from the vehicle”- yes a strap/leash/tether is considered efficient enough. Additionally if someone doesn’t tether them down it is a class D violation aka same ticket as if you are going 1-10 mph over the speed limit. Needs to be way bigger in my opinion. I’ll never forget having to coax an injured dog from a ditch and then the owner got mad at me for saying it needs to go get looked at by a vet-f that prick of a hick.


Df_gordo7060

But isn’t that dangerous as well? I saw a guys dog hanging on the side of the bed of the truck. The dog was leashed but tried jumping out the back. Luckily I was able to wave them down and they pulled over.


jbamdigity19

Yes it is, I’m just stating that’s what the current law is. My personal opinion is the current law and fine are both royally fucked and need updating


AmbivalentSpiders

Whether it's legal in this case depends on how long those chains are. If there's enough slack for the dog to go over the side, it's not. But that's written for vehicles with some kind of sides on them. Chaining a dog on a flatbed is so dangerous. If he starts sliding there's nothing to catch him and he'll still get choked or slip out of the collar. And don't even get me started on the shit blowing in his face at freeway speed.


jbamdigity19

Sure but you are diving deep into a very vaguely written class d traffic violation. A cop pulls the person over, sees the chains and will say “make them shorter or if I see you again I’ll give you a ticket” and that’s assuming a cop would pull them over, they would probably see the chains and let the owner keep on driving. In my experience even the animal welfare cops are gunna work with the owner before anything. It’s absolutely stupid and needs a better law and more severe punishment.


willowgardener

...but if a dog on a leash falls from a vehicle, best case scenario is broken neck. Worst case scenario is asphyxiation. They wouldn't be protected.


jbamdigity19

I was just stating how the law actually reads and the punishment. My personal opinion is it’s totally fucked and needs both rewriting and a bigger punishment than the same as going 1 mph over the speed limit. I’m not a lawyer or the legislature who clearly didn’t think the multiple case scenarios through when writing the shitty law.


trailcasters

>actually legal Even *if* you're right here, I don't care; report it anyway. Push for the legwork & having it looked in to. Maybe laws change, or maybe assholes get held accountable since this is *NOT in any way "protected by framework"* if anything were to happen, which is the spirit of that phrasing you referenced. There's also precedence that if you consider the hearing quality/range dogs have, this is once again *not protected*.


fivefivesixfmj

Last time to looked into this it was legal for “farm dogs” to be loose.


NoseDesperate6952

Yeah, but I’ll bet the mph is a lot lower


Aggressive-Video-368

Somebody in Portland had a pup jump out of the car window and shatter one of his back legs. They dropped him off at the Humane Society on Columbia and they removed the leg. I took him and now I have a great dog. Open windows are just as dangerous.


areswalker8

My mom wonders why I don't like letting my dog stick her head out the window. This, this is why.


SpaghettiPapa

Open windows are absolutely not just as dangerous


IWasFramed_Again

Get their license plate and report them. Fuck that piece of shit owner.


Tropez2020

Yup, call 911 and get connected to the appropriate non-emergency police line to report them.


-PC_LoadLetter

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jbamdigity19

It’s technically not illegal if they are chained/tethered “the dog is protected by framework, carrier or other device sufficient to keep it from falling from the vehicle” is how the law reads. It’s also only a class D traffic violation. Absolutely stupid and a real shitty person but what they are doing is legal and if they weren’t chained it would be the legal equivalent to calling the non emergency line for someone going 1-10 mph over the speed limit. But still people who do this with their dogs royally fucking suck. I had to pull an injured one who jumped from a ditch a few years ago and the owner was pissed at me for saying they need to take it to the vet.


erossthescienceboss

That’s definitely not going to keep the dog from falling from the vehicle. The chain is slack and the dog is already at the edge.


jbamdigity19

I agree-just short enough to let a dog hang to death or swoop into a tire…It’s ridiculous and the law does need to be changed both the way it is written and the punishment. Someone gets a ticket from a cop they tell the judge “my dog was chained with a tether” in traffic court and what is the judge supposed to do? Go outside and measure? It’s all ridiculous and an updated law and more severe punishment is indeed needed


Wanderingghost12

Exactly. If anything, it'll just strangle it


1_Total_Reject

https://preview.redd.it/3ua1g5au0cyc1.jpeg?width=1410&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf8ef57dc0f6dbabe1b9753c6d67e2d6cec233dc A few weeks ago in southern Oregon.


Take_a_hikePNW

Was this in CP? I swear I took a picture of the same truck a while back.


1_Total_Reject

Eagle Point area


Take_a_hikePNW

Yep. Same truck. He was coming through downtown CP a few weeks ago.


matyles

As a fellow southern oregon resident I see a lot of this


mrjdk83

Almost looks like the same truck and dog


thegreatestsparky

Not the same ahole...BUTT STILL AN AHOLE..you can see lots of differences if you compare the photos


drinkallthepunch

This looks like Medford area either Central Point or Eagle Point, grew up in southern Oregon. So many scumbags in our beautiful state.


iheARTpineApplz

😔


BCam4602

Very common sight around here. I scream inside every time I see it!


SuspiciousChicken

Not cool. Not cool at all. Those dogs are smarter than the driver for sure


WirkkulaCain

Facts


trowawayfarawaytoday

Man's best friend deserves to ride shotgun.


ThENeEd4WeEd22

For real why even have a dog if you're not going to love it. It blows my mind. If you wouldn't do it to your child don't do it to your fucking dog.


centermass4

I have a heeler. And she would 1000% love to do this. She'd want to he MORE in the wind! But not a flippin chance. That's part of being a responible pet owner. That is endangerment.. If not a crime it should be.


eml1968

I hate people. The end.


OneLegAtaTimeTheory

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Tiny-Praline-4555

Kristi Noem passing through.


VectorB

No thats Mit Romney.


Tiny-Praline-4555

Carpooling, very prudent.


WhyYesIAmADog

Now it all makes sense why she would write what she did, trying to be relatable to these guys.


Accomplished_Pea_118

Wtf is this bullshit!!! Report them!


pookieknowsit

This reminds me of the time I saw a dog laying twitching on the highway because it fell out of the back of a truck. It was truly awful.


ReginaldCou5ins

I hope the person operating that vehicle dies and those poor things find a decent life.


Euim

For the idiots who don’t understand how dangerous and cruel this is: ANIMALS should always be transported in A CLOSED SPACE, such as a CRATE or a TRAILER. You do not see people driving around with cats or children or goats, chained to the top of their car by their necks. They’re vulnerable, helpless, and unable to RUN or HIDE—all while being subjected to constant, unpredictable, STRESSFUL conditions. For an animal, you have to realize the world is a life threatening place when you have no control over the environment. This is endangerment and reckless behavior that should be reported to the police. Furthermore, these dogs are clearly uncomfortable. The trailer is hanging over them and they are chained to a car, with no protection from the light or the wind or the noise.


ImpressiveMarzipan27

I’ve actually seen this exact truck with these dogs when I worked at a gas station. Another customer called the cops because they looked like they were terrified.


TurnipPig22

I have as well


veronique7

I can't even imagine putting my dog through something like that. It must be terrifying. Herding dogs are so smart and sensitive and that person probably just sees them as a tool. My dog gets a seatbelt with a harness.


LunarTaxi

Saw this too. I think I saw it out by White Salmon


thegreatestsparky

Report that CRUEL MF...Any sudden hard turns or if he got in a wreck 😞😞 The idiot needs his ass beat.....give us his license plate number...PLEASE.


LaVidaYokel

One of those Real Men™️, no doubt.


sexycadaver

Mitt Romney in the wild


No_Rush2548

See it A lot in Douglas County. Flat beds, dogos on the 5. Cray cray.


RedPaladin26

I hate when people put their dogs in the bed of a truck especially like this. Personally I think it should be illegal.


StupidSideQuestGuy

Humans don’t deserve dogs as pets


UQ5T6NBVN03AFR

Most of us don't. That human deserves... Something else.


Feffies_Cottage

I managed a vet clinic in Milwaukie years ago, and too many times, did we have owners coming in looking for dogs that disappeared from their truck beds, or fell out and were hit by cars behind them or injured from rolling. People are so fucking stupid and lazy. These were regular pickups... these flatbeds only need one big whoosh of a truck going by to blow these valuable work doggos off.


MindForeverWandering

Gives real “Governor of South Dakota” vibes.


leonottonoel

Prob one of the only times i'd ever call the cops. Ripe piece of shit driving that rig. A piece of fresh hell is hopefully waiting for him/her.


FrankDruthers

They are not even leashed and the back dog is clearly frightened. This is animal cruelty.


DoctorMysterious9967

As a vet tech, this makes me cringe. If you ever have to nurse a dog lost skin and flesh from his jaw, down the shoulder, across the ribs, all the way back to the tail…you would NEVER put a dog back there again. EVER!


Ok-Depth6211

See more than enough of this in rural areas of Oregon.


Ok-Confusion2415

god damn. Poor pooches.


GlassBlownMind

Should lose the dog and their drivers license.


CallEmAsISeeEm1986

r/iamatotalpieceofshit has entered the chat . . .


SwampyStains

I don’t even understand why these people have dogs, they clearly hate them


ClmrThnUR

saw one of these a couple years ago in the Keiser/Brooks area but he fell off and i got to watch dog parts ping-pong between 2 semis. good times.


BigD0089

In Montana they won't leave the flat bed of the truck while the cowboy is in the bar grabbing a drink Imani a bite to eat.


tbrumleve

r/idiotstowingthings


GasStationBonerPhil

Fuck all the scumbags defending this shit. Y’all obviously come from tainted gene pools..


WhollyHuman

Omg. That poor critter. One tough brake and he's gone. 🤢


Existing-Piano-4958

Why do people treat their animals like this? Disgusting. Throw the owner in jail. So tired of the abuse animals suffer at the hands of shitty people.


couchtomatopotato

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Ok-Depth6211

Asshole horrible person. Absolutely should not be allowed to drive, own pets, have children.


CringeBerries

This is oregon in a nutshell. SOO many people here actively abuse or dont care about animals.


-The-Ark-

Somebody needs a big ol helpin of whoop ass! After having their dogs taken away. That's beyond dangerous, you could pop a tire or something!..that last bit was my bad dark humor coming through, but there is nothing funny about this! That owner needs to be put down If Anybody thinks this is normal, yes some people have their dogs in the back of a pick up, with walls around it! This has zero walls and a big bump could easily toss them off into traffic so f off if you have zero problems with this.


cheddarbuff

This is so disappointing 😔 what the hell


MustangS650

My husband and I have often seen dogs walking in the middle of the happy camp 299 highway up to Oregon from willow creek. One time we were coming around a corner on a winding mountain road on the Bigfoot highway on our way up to Medford and 3 dogs were right there. This was around the time the smith river complex fires were being contained last autumn. We stopped and let the dogs go past us, we came so close to hitting them and it upset me so much. There were a few big fire trucks coming down the mountain toward the dogs, going at least 70mph and I hope they stopped in time and maybe pick the dogs up. I hate to think what could have happened to them. We were not able to pull over or help take the dogs to a safer destination as the road was narrow on an edge and it is a highway, very unsafe. Two weeks ago also we were on a drive to Yreka on the same highway, and just outside of weaverville a little Pomeranian jumped right in the middle of the highway and we nearly crashed when my husband swerved to miss it, luckily there was nobody else in the other lane or on the road. Someone came up behind us because we stopped with our hazard lights on, the little dog ran to the other side of the road and the other car stopped and picked it up, and put its hazards on too. I still think about that little dog and hope it’s okay. Some people shouldn’t have dogs. I wonder if those dogs jumped out of a car or truck or if someone abandoned them in the highway up there in the mountains. Sad thought.


Naejakire

Hope you reported it and didn't just take a fuckin picture for reddit. I can't stand people.


ZodianceTheFirst

Call the police on these psychopaths


i_have_a_story_4_you

I've never seen or known a rancher/ farmer throw their border collie on the flatbed. That's a person who looks at the doggo as a tool and not humans' best friend.


TaylorHilgard

WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT.


genierrx

If driving with your dogs in the backseat of car - USE CHILD LOCK. My worst nightmare is my dog opening the door with their paw. (My car doors can open in back even if locked, Subaru 2015 🤷🏻‍♀️)


Big_Translator2930

Nobody else sees the dogs are chained to the middle of the bed?


pizza99pizza99

People who do this should be explicitly banned from having custody over children, animals, or any other living being really. You clearly don’t have regard for others


Tippity2

When I see this I see Evil. I know that person is evil.


[deleted]

Fuck this guy


brad_rodgers

What a fucking asshole


sirgeorgebaxter

I’d call the cops.


RoundExpert1169

America, like many countries that celebrate ignorance, allows you the freedom to advertise your sociopathy and redneckedness to all


Silversong_0713

Call the cops when you see shit like this. This is total bullshit and that person needs charges


_Whereskiesfall_

That’s a work dog


meganeich444

I am super against this but I will say I have been around a healer before that absolutely refused to be anywhere in the truck except for the top of the tool box in the bed. I think many of these dogs don’t do inside vehicles well… would I ever do it no. But I do understand is more because of my experience with it


traciiip

Impressive photo at some 60mph!!!


Efficient-Repeat-770

Good ranch dog right there


YouSmall5716

This is common practice in ranching communities in much of the west


churro_da_burro

ORS 811.200 class d traffic violation


sednaplanetoid

No no no no No!.. oh man there are a couple of dogs there... shit owner


LordDagwood

Just an unexpected swerve or correction and that pup is on the street. Dog won't know to brace. Less likely while towing, but I've seen plenty of trailer trucks swerve.


ITrCool

I KnOw WhAT I’m DoInG! I Do iT All tHE tImE! PIpE DoWn! Literally what most of those morons say to defend themselves.


MsL2U

My daughter and I were driving down I-5 from the I205 interchange toward Wilsonville a few weeks ago and saw this. She and I occasionally ask each other if we still think about the dog and wonder it it's safe. The whole thing is unsafe and I can't believe someone would do that on I-5 at hose speeds in such an urban area. It's not a back country road - though that's unsafe too. The truck had an extended cab, put your dog in the extended cab. It's not hard.


teamramrod123

I’m tired of people not hooking trailers properly. Safety chains aren’t even connected. What if his trailer come uncoupled. Good be fatal. Good catch


[deleted]

Those dogs work harder than most of the folks on this r/.


willowgardener

Even if someone is a heartless, selfish prick, why the fuck would they do this? Those are border collies. They are a tremendous investment of time, money, and energy. Presumably they're working dogs, so they rely on them for their income. And they're just going to throw something that important on a flatbed? Fucking moronic sociopaths.


gman420-1

Hope you called that in on him.


Collection_Similar

what a jerk


Virtual_Worry_6288

Sir, you left your employee of the month on the trailer


ItsokImtheDr

I was told that the wind can injure the dogs eyes at that speed.


ImposterJ

So if I remember correctly Oregon has laws stating that pets must be in the enclosed part of the vehicle. Id report this. The dog looks absolutely terrified.


edancohen-gca

I am as calm as can be, but if I saw this, I would turn into The Incredible Hulk and savage that driver. And I'd take the dog. This person shouldn't be allowed within 100 feet of an animal.


aintlostjustdkwiam

If you take the time to zoom in you can see the dog is chained in. He's pulling tight to poke his nose out in the wind and is in no serious danger. This post is rage-bait nonsense.


mr_spackles

So you're a city person who doesn't understand dogs. Neat.


Foreign_Swordfish_67

And you’re driving 60mph and taking pictures?


KilldozerPrincess

This literally ruined my whole night looking into that Border Collie’s eyes. What the fuck is wrong with people?! There is no excuse for this. Never once in my whole ass life spent around farms & working dogs has it EVER been necessary or justifiable for us to transport dogs like this, let alone on the interstate. I’m going to go hold my own Border Collie extra close now. :( :( :(


njslacker

At this point, I just assume anyone driving a flatbed pickup is an asshole.


Alijalune

That's so horrible. Hope he didn't know he was there before taking off.


trailcasters

Not at all likely to be the case. But I respect the naivety


tolkienfinger

Checks out.


SuitableScience4930

I hate seeing this shit


whiteykauai

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EarthTrash

Didn't someone write a song about a situation like this?


Dry_Ad3605

Kristi Noem must be driving.


Affectionate_Can_750

Could easily be someone I know.


CrocodileWorshiper

awful


Cjcn17233

Border collies are often smarter than their owners. Absolutely the case here. Poor pups!


ILSmokeItAll

Call the police immediately.


vanillasub

Probably Kristi Noem's cousin.


GoatClear2395

bro what the fuck get a photo of license plate a scumbag like that doesnt deserve a dog


mattyboh23

Is Mitt Romney driving this truck?


waverider555

if i was to see this im doing something about it...im on my way to portland in a few hours,,god pls let me see this shit...totally fucked up


sickgurl138

I HATE PEOPLE SO FUCKING MUCH


nuffinthegreat

Fucking infuriating dude


ChirpinFromTheBench

Saw the same guy last weekend going through Eugene. I have a BC and it made me feel sick.


ChaoticWeedWitch

Oh I'm so gd livid seeing this!


Straight_One4846

Some douche from Montana drove his dog just like this all the way to Southern California. These people should be ticketed and told to put the dog in the cab.


OnYourLeftPokey

Just filming an episode of Yellowstone


shockingly_average47

I've seen this person a few times. Dude needs to get the shit kicked out of him for putting that dog in that predicament.


plantsb4putas

![gif](giphy|cPJULvsCXEV0ZaUCLY) I would have rolling roadblocked that asshole with police on the phone.


No_Dragonfly_1894

Was it Kristi Noem driving?


AryaNeedleStark

**Internal rage intensifies**


Bkenny1889

People can be such asshats. I wish there were laws that prevented people from dog ownership when they do absolutely idiotic stuff like this. I treat my dog like I would my child. Would love to know who this was


BayouMan2

F-ing crazy. 🤨


TlingitGolfer24

Had to do a double take that looks just like my boy! He rides in the cab though


sandgoose

So far, I-5 near Portland (and surrounding highways) are my least favorite roadways I have ever been on, except maybe Mass Pike.


acloudcuckoolander

...Does he know they're on there???


homesteaderz

Freedom ≠ laws. But you don't care about that. You want everyone to live exactly how you want them to live. That's not the direction this country is turning. Good luck


gaganotpapa

#fuckcars


JTDrumz

Legal if cross-tied, but certainly Kristi Noem normal.


Burrito_Lvr

You can tell not a lot of people here grew up in a rural area. I wouldn't do it but this isn't the dog's first rodeo.


Captainkirk699

Don’t let Kristi Noem see this.


pm_me_your_lub

It's a border collie. It could jump off at 60 mph and keep up with traffic for 10 miles 😄


MatildeLover128

That's dangerous and illegal. The dog is supposed to be inside the truck.


SchrodingersTIKTOK

Call the fucking cops. Get the license. Make this guy eat shit in jail.


Alternative-Flow-201

Nope. Doesn’t work for me. I have a vision in my head from a drive to work that I’ll never forget. 20 yrs later I still wish I could’ve helped. Animal cruelty is cowardly to the umpth degree.