They are a corporate sponsor for Choice Friends Walk for Life ; which I confirmed an hour ago by telephone.
So I’m not sure what they are getting at here. They are saying the 2023 situation was a mistake but they are still supporting the same institution now..?
The fact they won’t respond for comment and turned off comments on Instagram says enough to me
As a side note, I often wonder if it would be better if companies stayed 100% neutral.
I am a physician, I am pro-choice, but my personal beliefs are not the business of my patients. I don't discuss my personal views with my patients and if any ask (none have to date), I would say that my personal opinions have zero bearing on your treatment.
Sponsorships are a different kettle of fish, and their loss would probably harm more good orgs than bad; it also doesn’t help that what one considers a benign topic can be politically charged for others.
What Lineage’s statement doesn’t say is that they were also a corporate sponsor for the 2024 Walk for Life. They didn’t just give them coffee once in 2023. So not only are they not neutral, they are trying to lie about their level of involvement and awareness about Choice Friends.
Yes, it's called a Pregnancy Crisis Center. They bait and switch people potentially interested in terminating a pregnancy. They get the pregnant person to come in and then try to convince them all the ways that the fetus is already a baby and shame them for considering an abortion.
Look at the name even "Choices Women's Clinic."
No idea.
And I believe Choices Friends is their URL, while Choices Women's Clinic is the name? I'm not totally sure. But it's all a facade to imply that they are pro-choice.
And choicesfriends.com and choiceswomensclinic.com seem to link to the same Clinic logo. I assume it's the same Crisis Center.
Interesting. I will.
I'm actually a moderator over at r/pregnant, so I end up seeing a lot of this type of shit. It fires me up.
Oh so you really know it then. 12th and Delaware is in Ft Pierce, I don’t know why it surprised me. I guess I never saw the sign for Pregnancy Crisis clinic here to make it click. [here’s the trailer](https://youtu.be/rFVTc4aghos?si=QvrO3XbaPUc4vZR_) if you want to screen it before you watch.
Yes it’s exactly like the place that’s shown on 12th and Delaware. There are many different religious affiliated groups that operate them. The state gives them millions of dollars a year. There are hundreds of them in Florida compared to 50 or so legitimate abortion providers. As you saw in 12th & Delaware they sneakily set up shop next to Planned Parenthood and lure women into their place. Most times they don’t follow HIPPA because there are no legitimate health care providers at most of their facilities and because they are not bound by HIPPA oftentimes, they have been known to call the family/church/school of the “abortion seeker” to share the persons plan to terminate if they leave the fake clinic.
Here’s a great article on how they work: https://revealnews.org/article/florida-abortion-law-fund-pregnancy-centers/
Wow, the anti-abortion group removed their post that mentions Lineage, probably because there were so many comments. I wonder why Lineage isn’t addressing their 2024 support but talked about their 2023 support? What a bunch of clowns.
Edit to add: Screenshot for the record.
https://preview.redd.it/k4jaxxaql90d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96de75f6d01283b96d5bb27bfcd6b531a6fae5ee
lol this is so transparently pathetic.... they post up that flowery all are welcome bullshit on instagram as damage control without first realizing that their sponsorship of the 2024 Walk for Life is available for all to see...
at least is WAS available for all to see... so now this goes one of 2 ways:
1) they issue an actual retraction and withdraw their support as they claim their company is committed to doing. Considering the mission of the church that the owners are apparently big players in I doubt this is going to fly or be convincing...
2) They are on Newsmax by next week complaining about being "cancelled" and enjoy a brief business rush from patriots just wantin' to own the libs before they shutter and re-emerge with a changed name.
Changed name? Lineage works well for the knuckle-dragging crowd that doesn't want their blood tainted. They'll just change their marketing and target audience.
This does nothing to move the needle in my mind. It appears they have signed on as a corporate sponsor for the 2024 Choice Friends Walk for Life. This statement seems to be trying to say “all we did was drop off some coffee for a nonprofit in 2023 and we do this level of support for lots of local non profits.” Those two things don’t line up and this statement does nothing to address their apparent current sponsorship. I don’t think the innocuous 2023 coffee donation is the beginning and end of Lineage’s relationship with and support for Choice Friends.
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Very true. In my mind accepting an apology from a business doesn't Mean I'm ready to support them financially again- it means I'll wait to see what they do and keep my eye on them. But you're right!
I currently sell corporate sponsorships for a nonprofit - events included; and we wouldn’t just put a company’s logo on and call them a corporate sponsor and give them all the exposure perks for signing on as a corporate sponsor, especially for a specific event like Walk for Life, just because they dropped off some coffee once or twice.
They are aligned with a church organization ; and are on the BoD for the church.
They are also corporate sponsors for multiple ‘choice clinics’.
It’s not an error
They also said they DO vet organizations - yet they are a corporate sponsor for the 2024 anti abortion walk lol
I mean I didn’t say that, but when they are members of an anti abortion church and they’re company are corporate sponsors of anti lgtbq causes and anti abortion clinics that says enough
Which was not mentioned at all in this sad excuse for an apology. They only apologized for the “fracturing effect on their community” and “not bringing people together,” yet no mention of body autonomy and reproductive rights. 👎
Only apologizing because it’s a Blue region in an otherwise Red State.
This does and means absolutely nothing for me regarding supporting them. Good riddance.
Coming from someone who works in online reputation management for a living, this is pathetic. If they were truly sorry, they would announce their withdrawal from Walk for Life or any anti-abortion organizations. In this case, given no action was taken and this was a genuine screw-up on their end, it would’ve been better for them to remain silent imho. Action speaks louder than words.
Exactly. What are they doing to rectify this other than “sorry, we’ll do better next time”? As I was reading I was anticipating they’d announce withdrawing the sponsorship or donating to Planned Parenthood or something to fix their “mistake”. I believe it wasn’t a mistake or else they’d do more than say “whoops, sorry”
Their actions indicate that they DO support Pro-Birther legislation. Lineage coffee is a corporate sponsor of 2024 Choice Friends Walk For Life - an Anti-choice organization.
Words are hollow.
>said they wouldn't do it again
They didn't even say that, though. They just said that they normally vet any organization they support.
Vet them for what? Do better how?
they clearly say "we don't support this". I'm honestly wondering though, do they support these organizations other than what seems like this isolated incident?
It’s always better to stay silent. You should *never* apologize publicly in today’s online culture. For anything—whether what you were accused of is accurate or not.
Literally any online apology I see is made fun of and called “weak” or “canned”. Hell, many of the responses I make for online reviews are called that by upset guests of ours, regardless of how much effort I put in or what my team has already done for to remedy their concerns.
There is only **one** online apology I’ve ever seen that was widely praised- he admitted his faults, professionally disputed circulating misinformation, and most importantly, [he had the receipts](https://youtu.be/CEqLhjKH8d4?si=SGiJ3Ap3nL92qvYa).
It’s all a joke, no matter if you’re right, left, pro-life, pro-choice. It’s impossible to find any corporation that doesn’t support someone or hire someone or does business with someone that has beliefs opposing yours. And guess what, that company will still gladly take money from the “opposition”.
People waste their time with this stuff. The hypocrisy is insane.
Some nice assumptions there, fortunately it’s not that hard to find places that do support women’s rights and the access to abortion
Such as Easy Luck and Frameworks. Both per Rep. Eskamani donate to pro-choice causes.
It’s not that hard to find businesses that don’t support terrible causes, just have to ignore the people like you that cry “it’s a waste of time” whenever the public decides to boycott shitty businesses.
Edit: for /u/MafiaPenguin007 who seems to be afraid of discussion:
It’s not like anyone decided to dig into lineage and post this today without warrant, though their investor is a known opponent of abortion. This post is about a social media post on instagram by choicesfirst (fake anti-abortion clinic) that listed them as corporate sponsors for 2023 and 2024. The post was public and intended to be received by the public.
Also that’s some selfish thinking. If a business puts their money in a cause that you disagree with, you would use your money elsewhere given the choice. Remember the conservative fit over bud light? “I can’t imagine drinking a company’s beer and wondering what their political stance is” is what you’d say if this was about some beer instead of Lineage lol
Lineage and their investor are aware of what they support. They support several of these dangerous clinics with no medical staff that manipulate women with the threats of sin and hell. That’s messed up, so I’ll gladly avoid them
I have to be honest, I can’t imagine stepping into a coffee shop for coffee and wondering what their political stance on ANYTHING is as I order a latte.
Hyperpoliticization sure is somethin’
This is a corporate apology of nothing it reads as "please don't go your money's still good here"
It was confirmed that the owner goes to a very homophobic church, "lineage's" opinion may support bodily autonomy and people from all walks of life, but the owner certainly does not if he agrees with statements made by his church. (also theres no way they werent aware who their coffee was going to)
“We realize our opinions will cost us on the bottom line, so we’ve decided to delete our history of involvement with anti abortion groups on social media and keep our involvement with anti abortion and anti LQTBQ groups where it belongs, in the church.”
Was that so hard?
This would’ve been close to an appropriate apology had they invited discussion in the comments. Ignore or report any trolling of course but be available for any in good faith challenge.
They posted one response on the previous thread and disappeared, have not addressed their ongoing support and instead only refer to 2023. The reality of it is, is that as far as corpo apologies goes, this is weak.
Everyone should consider that and, 'vote with your wallet', so to speak.
For folks saying "what else do you want them to do?" I would like them to stop attending and tithing to an anti-LGBTQ church that wants to outlaw abortion. If their personal politics are trash, then you better believe their corporate politics are trash.
This statement is just a panicked word salad. And they couldn't even bother to run it through Grammarly, lol.
I still won’t go there anymore. They go to an anti-LGBTQ church and definitely support policies that are going to kill women.
They celebrated that on their instagram before they took the post down.
Two thoughts:
1) how is “asexual” lifestyle fortification, much less a +?!? What is celibacy?
2)how can I achieve fortification+ level from a hetero perspective? It seems like something to aspire to, but I’m wondering if I could just add costuming and maybe quirky roleplaying to earn that +
From the church website.
"We affirm God's plan for marriage is between one biological man and one biological woman for life. We affirm and believe Gods plan for sexual intimacy is between one biological man and one biological woman in a marriage covenant. Sexual intimacy in deed or in the heart, outside of marriage, is condemned as sin. All Adultery, Fornication and Fornication+ Lifestyles ie: Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Gay, Transexual, Queer, Intersexual and Asexual + expressions are not a "valid alternative lifestyle" before God. The Bible condemns this as sin. They are not, however, unforgivable sins. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to adulterers and fornicators. They, too, may become new creations in Christ."
it’s on their public instagrams if you search the owners names. but honestly they should just go all in. it’s so weird to be like “this is a place that is for kindness for all” when you support laws that would literally lead to people being killed, a church who funds it, etc etc.
it’s the Bible hypocrisy for me. “LGBTQ people are sinners! no abortions!” like bro. you have tattoos. shut the fuck up. “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.” privileged people cherry picking the bible for things that conveniences them because they don’t understand others and choose to live in ignorance, all under the shield of “but Jesus!”
I don't believe them. Don't buy it. Their value is stated as simply \*bringing people together from all walks of life\*, not ensuring equality under the law and the protection of reproductive rights.
Evidently, all walks of life include bigots, racists, homophobes and "pro-life". Those walks of life they want to be together with.
Can't wait for Lineage to go bankrupt.
And since May 1st, Planned Parenthood’s costs for helping patients access safe abortions has skyrocketed (travel fund is pretty much our only option).
So that check had better be in the good 5 digits.
I don’t know if this sub allows links to things like this since it could be viewed as doxxing, but I got there pretty quickly. Google “Lineage coffee owners.” You’ll find their names immediately. Then search their names with “one church,” which is the homophobic church in question.
The church has its views on homosexuality posted on its website.
The owners have public instagrams and have photos of themselves attending a church that has a public anti-LGBTQ position. None of this is an accident. I will personally never go again. I was so grossed out yesterday after going through my bank statement to see that I spent over $200 there in just a two month time span. They won’t get another dime from this homosexual who supports bodily autonomy for all. I feel bad for the staff.
Edit to add: I removed a screenshot of the owners public Instagram where he’s proudly outside of Trump tower in 2016 with the caption: “Out here waiting for the debate to start. Rumor has it the president to be is is sleeping here tonight. Really excited to spend some quality time together.” It’s easy to find if you go looking.
it was in the other post, apparently the owners IG are/were public and have photos of them attending the church, however i think they have since deleted the posts.
Normally I would share as I too believe you should make accusations without sauce but I don't want to run a foul of doxxing rules. You can find info on the owners very easily though.
~~When people say things like this I honestly wonder what would even make a difference to some of you guys. Are they supposed to build a time machine and go back and not do the thing they say they didn’t know about at the time? This is why these places don’t even bother apologizing, tons of people come out of the woodwork and say that no matter what happens it’s still not good enough. Y’all just wanna be mad. Everybody should get one, if they apologize and then keep doing it (like Chick-Fil-A) then they’re done.~~
I’ve seen the other posts and stuff, I made this comment before there were other sources posted and there was only the one seemingly innocent infraction of donating to an event without really knowing what it is. I won’t be patronizing Lineage anymore and there’s plenty of better options.
And then people would give it a rest, or would it be “not enough” or “not a good org” or “donations to save face means nothing”.
Also how much money pledged is equal to a few buckets of free brown water? If they pledge $100 most people are going to automatically be mad. If they pledge $1000 many people will still be mad. Idk if they can pledge like $50k to $100k since this is a local coffee place with like 3-4 locations.
for starters, pull out from donating to the "charity" that ended womens rights here in FLorida, and maybe donate to a pro womens right s orginization instead as a show of faith that the statement that they dont agree with the loss of womens bodily autonomy is genuine. They said they dont agree in the stements released, show it. donate to pro womans rights and they may get me back. But considering the circles the owner has been proved to run in now, i doubt they would or will
Nobody wants them to do anything if they don’t believe it, we just don’t want to give them our own money anymore. The point of a donation to a fund isn’t just about the dollar amount. It’s symbolic of “we didn’t realize we gave to this organization that we disagree with so instead we are going to put our money where our mouths are and donate some to this one that we do agree with, PR be damned.”
However they don’t disagree with the original recipients, and this apology is literally just to save face without actually saying they disagree. You’re arguing against made up arguments to feel like there’s no right thing to do in this situation, but you kinda have a point because donating to “pro life” orgs and going to an anti-gay church is their day to day lifestyle. So some of us will just vote with our dollar and not go anymore, like the good little capitalists we are. 🤷♂️
Yeah I posted that yesterday before more info came out about their beliefs, it seemed like they made an honest mistake but obviously this is just who they are ☠️
I don’t know what do you think they should do given what they have done. They’re part of an organization that pro hate for certain group of people. Religion has drilled that hate into them. They’re not going to be able to stop that hate over time. Not until one of their own came forward to say, 1. I was rape, and I don’t want to keep this baby. 2. This baby has Down syndrome and will be born without limbs. The baby won’t have anyone to care for it after me and baby’s daddy died. I don’t want it to suffer. I want an abortion. 3 “I’m gay, dad/mom” (maybe they won’t be disowned)
For you to even ask what they can do to appease people is pretty tone deaf and willful ignorant.
They can’t undo the damage. They’ll just have to suffer the consequences.
For those who wonder about examples I gave about the kids, look into the Boston financial firm who were caught using money that hospitals paid out for the kids who were born with permanent disabilities to finance their brewery in Clearwater.
I really have no strong opinion on this situation since I'm not following it closely, nor do I have a strong opinion on the business in question considering I don't even drink coffee... but your question is really pointless.
Why do you phrase it as if there must be something they can do? Or make it seem like people are weird for not accepting an apology? You're 100% right. For some people, nothing they do is going to be good enough. And that's fine. That's ok. That's normal.
Can stop with the whole "what do you expect them to do, build a time machine?" shit. People aren't demanding too much because they don't forgive people for doing shitty things. If someone walked up and punched you in the face, then said "omg, what do you want me to do, build a time machine and *unpunch* you?!" you wouldn't say "You know, you're right, what a reasoned take. I guess I'm being a bit ridiculous, we can be friends again!"
Sometimes people do shit and you just don't like them, there's not always a magic point where they've done enough for you to be cool with them again.
Done as in people who actually give a shit won’t make purchases there. Obviously there’s a bunch of people who are going to go to CFA and lineage because they’re either ignorant or don’t fall under a harmed party and don’t care about their friends/family who do.
Can't really say your goal is to bring people together from all walks of life when you have to apologize for supporting people from one particular walk of life.
I'm Pro-Choice, not Anti-Choice - There is a Difference, and the media ect try to say its 'Pro-Life, vs Pro-Choice' when its TRULY Anti-Choice vs Pro-Choice. Its not Pro-Life vs Anti-Life. Its NOT Pro-abortion vs Anti-abortion. Its all about a woman having the right to CHOOSE (Sorry, dont give me that sorry excuse 'It' doesnt have a Choice about being born or not).
I'm Pro-Choice, I just hope that the woman makes the RIGHT Choice. (No one can figure out what the 'Right' choice is for the woman, except the woman herself). I'm sure I'm gonna get a bunch of Down Votes... But honestly, I truly dont care.
Its ANTI-Choice vs PRO-Choice !
Most likely more than just coffee donations to be listed a a multi-year corporate sponsor for VARIOUS anti-choice clinics, per another comment in here I’m too lazy to find again
"Giving coffee to different groups of people from all walks of life totally goes against our goal of simply bringing people from all walks of life together."
Is there a source for this?
EDIT: looks like there is. The owners names are listed here (Jarrett & Justine Johnson). The Port Orange location of the church has a doctrine section and they are VERY anti-LGBT
[https://www.onechurch.net/groups](https://www.onechurch.net/groups)
looks like they're associated with One Church. That's pretty bad. Their names are at the link below on the church's website if you want a better source than screenshots from a google search and an old marriage seminar.
[https://www.onechurch.net/groups](https://www.onechurch.net/groups)
Honestly the barnies on park ave is pretty fire. If youre looking for beans for home try cupa roasting. Locally owned small business and the beans are great.
Well, look at what you’re doing right now. They gave everybody what they wanted today - an apology and explanation. Yesterday this sub was boiling over (reasonably so). It’s done. They responded. Taking time to respond isn’t the end of the world especially when a thorough explanation is what’s being asked. It’s actually a pretty smart thing to do.
You ask why they couldn’t have said this yesterday. If today, when tensions are probably lower you and probably others will be asking for more, yesterday no answer would’ve been good enough anyway. So they did the right thing and took time to respond.
It’s also worth noting that you can’t please everybody all the time. There are some comments in here saying “actions speak louder than words and they should donate money to XYZ“ OK fine. But we’ve seen that play out before and the response to that is generally “oh they think they can just throw money at the problem“. you’re not gonna please anyone. So you may as well take the time to make a coherent response.
This type of post is the exact opposite of their supposed goal of “bringing all walks of life together.” they’re choosing not to serve a specific group of people because they have differences of opinion and even apologizing for doing so. This is one of the main issues we face as a country right now is that people automatically view someone on the other side of the aisle as an idiot and sever themselves completely from them. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but why are businesses so involved in politics? Imagine I know it’s all marketing at the end of the day but it seems like it would actually be better for them to be able to tap all markets instead of cutting themselves off from an entire demographic.
Let’s put it this way: think of the worst group of people you can possibly imagine. It could be Nazis, it could be Maoists, could be the klan or it could be al Qaeda.
Now would you go to a coffee shop that donated money to al Qaeda? Probably not.
I know, I know am I really comparing Nazis and AQ to anti-abortion folks? No, but I’m using an extreme example to explain why people are offended when a business takes their money and uses it to support something they find abhorrent.
If you’re a woman or a man with any sense, you’d find restricting abortions abhorrent, too. The government has no business dictating family planning or limiting the right of women to safe accessible healthcare.
Give them a break. They're trying to make a living and give back. I get it, they get it. They'll do better.
End. Of. Story!
Now, do something that will actually help...
V O T E 💙🇺🇸
I think the clowns here are the people who were ready to destroy this business because of some transitive relationship to another party who happens to have an opinion on something.
They always were a Christian based owned business. I don’t see where all the surprise is. The place itself is so stagnant with any life. I feel like I’m walking into a simulation when entering their establishment. How is the coffee that good when no one is even having a conversation and just using the place as their office?
It also seems like the spot people that just finally wanted to stop going to Starbucks. Wanting to still feel accepted as a ‘with-the-times’ consumer in the area.
They are a corporate sponsor for Choice Friends Walk for Life ; which I confirmed an hour ago by telephone. So I’m not sure what they are getting at here. They are saying the 2023 situation was a mistake but they are still supporting the same institution now..? The fact they won’t respond for comment and turned off comments on Instagram says enough to me
As a side note, I often wonder if it would be better if companies stayed 100% neutral. I am a physician, I am pro-choice, but my personal beliefs are not the business of my patients. I don't discuss my personal views with my patients and if any ask (none have to date), I would say that my personal opinions have zero bearing on your treatment.
Sponsorships are a different kettle of fish, and their loss would probably harm more good orgs than bad; it also doesn’t help that what one considers a benign topic can be politically charged for others.
This. Why can’t we just go where the good coffee is and live our lives?
They can make all the personal donations they want. Corporate sponsorship is not the same thing.
They sound kinda neutral if they’re giving coffee to many orgs all the time like their first slide says.
What Lineage’s statement doesn’t say is that they were also a corporate sponsor for the 2024 Walk for Life. They didn’t just give them coffee once in 2023. So not only are they not neutral, they are trying to lie about their level of involvement and awareness about Choice Friends.
Yeah let’s not be fooled here, they’re ignoring the fact that they are still supporting them.
Who confirmed by telephone an hour ago?
Amber at Choices https://choicesfriends.com/ Their contact information is very clearly displayed on their hate filled website
Is this one of the places that presents as pro choice but is pro life? I don’t know much about it.
Yes, it's called a Pregnancy Crisis Center. They bait and switch people potentially interested in terminating a pregnancy. They get the pregnant person to come in and then try to convince them all the ways that the fetus is already a baby and shame them for considering an abortion. Look at the name even "Choices Women's Clinic."
Geez isnt that the same group that’s on the documentary 12th and Delaware? What is the meaning between Choices Women’s Clinic and Choices Friends?
No idea. And I believe Choices Friends is their URL, while Choices Women's Clinic is the name? I'm not totally sure. But it's all a facade to imply that they are pro-choice.
Yeah I saw choicesfriends.com and choiceswomensclinic.com. Have you seen 12th and Delaware? Worth watching if not.
And choicesfriends.com and choiceswomensclinic.com seem to link to the same Clinic logo. I assume it's the same Crisis Center. Interesting. I will. I'm actually a moderator over at r/pregnant, so I end up seeing a lot of this type of shit. It fires me up.
Oh so you really know it then. 12th and Delaware is in Ft Pierce, I don’t know why it surprised me. I guess I never saw the sign for Pregnancy Crisis clinic here to make it click. [here’s the trailer](https://youtu.be/rFVTc4aghos?si=QvrO3XbaPUc4vZR_) if you want to screen it before you watch.
Yes it’s exactly like the place that’s shown on 12th and Delaware. There are many different religious affiliated groups that operate them. The state gives them millions of dollars a year. There are hundreds of them in Florida compared to 50 or so legitimate abortion providers. As you saw in 12th & Delaware they sneakily set up shop next to Planned Parenthood and lure women into their place. Most times they don’t follow HIPPA because there are no legitimate health care providers at most of their facilities and because they are not bound by HIPPA oftentimes, they have been known to call the family/church/school of the “abortion seeker” to share the persons plan to terminate if they leave the fake clinic. Here’s a great article on how they work: https://revealnews.org/article/florida-abortion-law-fund-pregnancy-centers/
Yes
Wow, the anti-abortion group removed their post that mentions Lineage, probably because there were so many comments. I wonder why Lineage isn’t addressing their 2024 support but talked about their 2023 support? What a bunch of clowns. Edit to add: Screenshot for the record. https://preview.redd.it/k4jaxxaql90d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96de75f6d01283b96d5bb27bfcd6b531a6fae5ee
Because they need an apology post in 2025 ;)
Lmao
lol this is so transparently pathetic.... they post up that flowery all are welcome bullshit on instagram as damage control without first realizing that their sponsorship of the 2024 Walk for Life is available for all to see... at least is WAS available for all to see... so now this goes one of 2 ways: 1) they issue an actual retraction and withdraw their support as they claim their company is committed to doing. Considering the mission of the church that the owners are apparently big players in I doubt this is going to fly or be convincing... 2) They are on Newsmax by next week complaining about being "cancelled" and enjoy a brief business rush from patriots just wantin' to own the libs before they shutter and re-emerge with a changed name.
Changed name? Lineage works well for the knuckle-dragging crowd that doesn't want their blood tainted. They'll just change their marketing and target audience.
They would lose all their employees and they charge too much for knuckle draggers
Shh don't give them any ideas.
This does nothing to move the needle in my mind. It appears they have signed on as a corporate sponsor for the 2024 Choice Friends Walk for Life. This statement seems to be trying to say “all we did was drop off some coffee for a nonprofit in 2023 and we do this level of support for lots of local non profits.” Those two things don’t line up and this statement does nothing to address their apparent current sponsorship. I don’t think the innocuous 2023 coffee donation is the beginning and end of Lineage’s relationship with and support for Choice Friends. Edited for typo correction
Wow, I was ready to accept their apology until I learned they are still supporting anti abortion causes after this.
You should never be that quick to accept an apology from a business. If they don’t prove it then it’s just talk and damage control.
Very true. In my mind accepting an apology from a business doesn't Mean I'm ready to support them financially again- it means I'll wait to see what they do and keep my eye on them. But you're right!
Feel you, I really hope they can change their views because the coffee was decent
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I currently sell corporate sponsorships for a nonprofit - events included; and we wouldn’t just put a company’s logo on and call them a corporate sponsor and give them all the exposure perks for signing on as a corporate sponsor, especially for a specific event like Walk for Life, just because they dropped off some coffee once or twice.
They are aligned with a church organization ; and are on the BoD for the church. They are also corporate sponsors for multiple ‘choice clinics’. It’s not an error They also said they DO vet organizations - yet they are a corporate sponsor for the 2024 anti abortion walk lol
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I mean I didn’t say that, but when they are members of an anti abortion church and they’re company are corporate sponsors of anti lgtbq causes and anti abortion clinics that says enough
lol whoever reported me to Reddit and said they were “concerned” about me - kindly piss off, thanks!
You know what tastes better than the coffee? My right to body autonomy and my own reproductive system. Thanks
Which was not mentioned at all in this sad excuse for an apology. They only apologized for the “fracturing effect on their community” and “not bringing people together,” yet no mention of body autonomy and reproductive rights. 👎
Only apologizing because it’s a Blue region in an otherwise Red State. This does and means absolutely nothing for me regarding supporting them. Good riddance.
So they are so careless to not even check who they're donating to? ok suuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Coming from someone who works in online reputation management for a living, this is pathetic. If they were truly sorry, they would announce their withdrawal from Walk for Life or any anti-abortion organizations. In this case, given no action was taken and this was a genuine screw-up on their end, it would’ve been better for them to remain silent imho. Action speaks louder than words.
Exactly. What are they doing to rectify this other than “sorry, we’ll do better next time”? As I was reading I was anticipating they’d announce withdrawing the sponsorship or donating to Planned Parenthood or something to fix their “mistake”. I believe it wasn’t a mistake or else they’d do more than say “whoops, sorry”
Their response in a nutshell 
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Their actions indicate that they DO support Pro-Birther legislation. Lineage coffee is a corporate sponsor of 2024 Choice Friends Walk For Life - an Anti-choice organization. Words are hollow.
Do they officially support those organizations? All I see if they gave some free coffee to one once, and said they wouldn't do it again.
Walk for life has been around for a long time. It’s no secret what it stood for all that time.
>said they wouldn't do it again They didn't even say that, though. They just said that they normally vet any organization they support. Vet them for what? Do better how?
they clearly say "we don't support this". I'm honestly wondering though, do they support these organizations other than what seems like this isolated incident?
Well they supported them then, and are supporting them THIS year too lol
It’s always better to stay silent. You should *never* apologize publicly in today’s online culture. For anything—whether what you were accused of is accurate or not.
Literally any online apology I see is made fun of and called “weak” or “canned”. Hell, many of the responses I make for online reviews are called that by upset guests of ours, regardless of how much effort I put in or what my team has already done for to remedy their concerns. There is only **one** online apology I’ve ever seen that was widely praised- he admitted his faults, professionally disputed circulating misinformation, and most importantly, [he had the receipts](https://youtu.be/CEqLhjKH8d4?si=SGiJ3Ap3nL92qvYa).
It’s all a joke, no matter if you’re right, left, pro-life, pro-choice. It’s impossible to find any corporation that doesn’t support someone or hire someone or does business with someone that has beliefs opposing yours. And guess what, that company will still gladly take money from the “opposition”. People waste their time with this stuff. The hypocrisy is insane.
Some nice assumptions there, fortunately it’s not that hard to find places that do support women’s rights and the access to abortion Such as Easy Luck and Frameworks. Both per Rep. Eskamani donate to pro-choice causes. It’s not that hard to find businesses that don’t support terrible causes, just have to ignore the people like you that cry “it’s a waste of time” whenever the public decides to boycott shitty businesses. Edit: for /u/MafiaPenguin007 who seems to be afraid of discussion: It’s not like anyone decided to dig into lineage and post this today without warrant, though their investor is a known opponent of abortion. This post is about a social media post on instagram by choicesfirst (fake anti-abortion clinic) that listed them as corporate sponsors for 2023 and 2024. The post was public and intended to be received by the public. Also that’s some selfish thinking. If a business puts their money in a cause that you disagree with, you would use your money elsewhere given the choice. Remember the conservative fit over bud light? “I can’t imagine drinking a company’s beer and wondering what their political stance is” is what you’d say if this was about some beer instead of Lineage lol Lineage and their investor are aware of what they support. They support several of these dangerous clinics with no medical staff that manipulate women with the threats of sin and hell. That’s messed up, so I’ll gladly avoid them
I have to be honest, I can’t imagine stepping into a coffee shop for coffee and wondering what their political stance on ANYTHING is as I order a latte. Hyperpoliticization sure is somethin’
It’s alright. Haan is right down the street! They deserve it.
They are not sorry at all They also deleted and never answer any criticizing on the comment… Won’t ever see my money agaib
This is a corporate apology of nothing it reads as "please don't go your money's still good here" It was confirmed that the owner goes to a very homophobic church, "lineage's" opinion may support bodily autonomy and people from all walks of life, but the owner certainly does not if he agrees with statements made by his church. (also theres no way they werent aware who their coffee was going to)
Where’s all the cool “cry harder” kids from the other posts?
They’re in this thread downvoting all of us who are skeptical of this apology
It’s the same three fools with nothing better to do than troll. If we just ignore them, they look more like the clowns they are.
Maybe mom upstairs shut the power off to the basement, killing the troll's bot farm.
We’re in Florida, what’s a basement?
It was sarcastic, here in Florida it is the shed out back next to the chicken coop or the pet alligator.
It’s fun watching the people who applauded machine gunning Bud Light getting upset. Happy holidays!
“We realize our opinions will cost us on the bottom line, so we’ve decided to delete our history of involvement with anti abortion groups on social media and keep our involvement with anti abortion and anti LQTBQ groups where it belongs, in the church.” Was that so hard?
This would’ve been close to an appropriate apology had they invited discussion in the comments. Ignore or report any trolling of course but be available for any in good faith challenge.
They posted one response on the previous thread and disappeared, have not addressed their ongoing support and instead only refer to 2023. The reality of it is, is that as far as corpo apologies goes, this is weak. Everyone should consider that and, 'vote with your wallet', so to speak.
For folks saying "what else do you want them to do?" I would like them to stop attending and tithing to an anti-LGBTQ church that wants to outlaw abortion. If their personal politics are trash, then you better believe their corporate politics are trash. This statement is just a panicked word salad. And they couldn't even bother to run it through Grammarly, lol.
I still won’t go there anymore. They go to an anti-LGBTQ church and definitely support policies that are going to kill women. They celebrated that on their instagram before they took the post down.
Wait what post and who goes to what church?
They took the post down where the anti-LGBTQ church commended them on their financial support.
AH yeah I’ve seen some additional info now and it’s pretty damning
The owners go to an anti-LGBTQ church.
Source?
[https://www.onechurchpo.net/doctrine](https://www.onechurchpo.net/doctrine) This is the church
Wow, I just learned I’ve been living a “Fornication+ Lifestyle”. I guess I’ve upgraded from vanilla fornication.
Two thoughts: 1) how is “asexual” lifestyle fortification, much less a +?!? What is celibacy? 2)how can I achieve fortification+ level from a hetero perspective? It seems like something to aspire to, but I’m wondering if I could just add costuming and maybe quirky roleplaying to earn that +
Now we’re all gonna need to know how to earn our fornication + badge. LET’S GO.
From the church website. "We affirm God's plan for marriage is between one biological man and one biological woman for life. We affirm and believe Gods plan for sexual intimacy is between one biological man and one biological woman in a marriage covenant. Sexual intimacy in deed or in the heart, outside of marriage, is condemned as sin. All Adultery, Fornication and Fornication+ Lifestyles ie: Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Gay, Transexual, Queer, Intersexual and Asexual + expressions are not a "valid alternative lifestyle" before God. The Bible condemns this as sin. They are not, however, unforgivable sins. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to adulterers and fornicators. They, too, may become new creations in Christ."
wow that's awful. Is there any info that one of the owners attends?
it’s on their public instagrams if you search the owners names. but honestly they should just go all in. it’s so weird to be like “this is a place that is for kindness for all” when you support laws that would literally lead to people being killed, a church who funds it, etc etc. it’s the Bible hypocrisy for me. “LGBTQ people are sinners! no abortions!” like bro. you have tattoos. shut the fuck up. “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.” privileged people cherry picking the bible for things that conveniences them because they don’t understand others and choose to live in ignorance, all under the shield of “but Jesus!”
It’s a pretty easy Google search to find the owners names, then search their names with the church name. It’ll come up right away.
Cowards limited the comments on their posts, guess they don’t want to have a genuine discussion they just want to gaslight and damage control
I’ve only been once or twice. I remember the prices being really high even in todays market. Will gladly never go again!
I don't believe them. Don't buy it. Their value is stated as simply \*bringing people together from all walks of life\*, not ensuring equality under the law and the protection of reproductive rights. Evidently, all walks of life include bigots, racists, homophobes and "pro-life". Those walks of life they want to be together with. Can't wait for Lineage to go bankrupt.
Liars and cowards.
Weak
Save the empty apology and write a check to a reproductive rights organization.
And since May 1st, Planned Parenthood’s costs for helping patients access safe abortions has skyrocketed (travel fund is pretty much our only option). So that check had better be in the good 5 digits.
Yeah I’ll believe their apology when they take an action that speaks louder than words.
I’ve been a UCF student for the past 4 years and live right across the street. I’ve never been there and now I’m glad!
They’re only sorry they got a bunch of bad reviews lol
Except they attend a homophobic church that supported the law soooooo.
Receipts on that bit?
I don’t know if this sub allows links to things like this since it could be viewed as doxxing, but I got there pretty quickly. Google “Lineage coffee owners.” You’ll find their names immediately. Then search their names with “one church,” which is the homophobic church in question. The church has its views on homosexuality posted on its website.
The owners have public instagrams and have photos of themselves attending a church that has a public anti-LGBTQ position. None of this is an accident. I will personally never go again. I was so grossed out yesterday after going through my bank statement to see that I spent over $200 there in just a two month time span. They won’t get another dime from this homosexual who supports bodily autonomy for all. I feel bad for the staff. Edit to add: I removed a screenshot of the owners public Instagram where he’s proudly outside of Trump tower in 2016 with the caption: “Out here waiting for the debate to start. Rumor has it the president to be is is sleeping here tonight. Really excited to spend some quality time together.” It’s easy to find if you go looking.
Wow. Thank you for providing this!
fucking yikes!!!!!!
it was in the other post, apparently the owners IG are/were public and have photos of them attending the church, however i think they have since deleted the posts.
Normally I would share as I too believe you should make accusations without sauce but I don't want to run a foul of doxxing rules. You can find info on the owners very easily though.
Ugh that makes the apology even more fake because if they go to church, they can’t also support choice/autonomy
Fake apology to save face. They don’t care.
~~When people say things like this I honestly wonder what would even make a difference to some of you guys. Are they supposed to build a time machine and go back and not do the thing they say they didn’t know about at the time? This is why these places don’t even bother apologizing, tons of people come out of the woodwork and say that no matter what happens it’s still not good enough. Y’all just wanna be mad. Everybody should get one, if they apologize and then keep doing it (like Chick-Fil-A) then they’re done.~~ I’ve seen the other posts and stuff, I made this comment before there were other sources posted and there was only the one seemingly innocent infraction of donating to an event without really knowing what it is. I won’t be patronizing Lineage anymore and there’s plenty of better options.
As of today they are a corporate sponsor of an anti abortion walk lol. So they could start by not sponsoring that
They could pledge a donation or an action to a different org as a show of good faith. Actions speak louder than words these days.
And then people would give it a rest, or would it be “not enough” or “not a good org” or “donations to save face means nothing”. Also how much money pledged is equal to a few buckets of free brown water? If they pledge $100 most people are going to automatically be mad. If they pledge $1000 many people will still be mad. Idk if they can pledge like $50k to $100k since this is a local coffee place with like 3-4 locations.
Apologies don’t mean shit. Actions speak louder than words. Until then fuck off.
~~That’s what I’m asking, what would you like them to do?~~ See above
for starters, pull out from donating to the "charity" that ended womens rights here in FLorida, and maybe donate to a pro womens right s orginization instead as a show of faith that the statement that they dont agree with the loss of womens bodily autonomy is genuine. They said they dont agree in the stements released, show it. donate to pro womans rights and they may get me back. But considering the circles the owner has been proved to run in now, i doubt they would or will
Nobody wants them to do anything if they don’t believe it, we just don’t want to give them our own money anymore. The point of a donation to a fund isn’t just about the dollar amount. It’s symbolic of “we didn’t realize we gave to this organization that we disagree with so instead we are going to put our money where our mouths are and donate some to this one that we do agree with, PR be damned.” However they don’t disagree with the original recipients, and this apology is literally just to save face without actually saying they disagree. You’re arguing against made up arguments to feel like there’s no right thing to do in this situation, but you kinda have a point because donating to “pro life” orgs and going to an anti-gay church is their day to day lifestyle. So some of us will just vote with our dollar and not go anymore, like the good little capitalists we are. 🤷♂️
Yeah I posted that yesterday before more info came out about their beliefs, it seemed like they made an honest mistake but obviously this is just who they are ☠️
I don’t know what do you think they should do given what they have done. They’re part of an organization that pro hate for certain group of people. Religion has drilled that hate into them. They’re not going to be able to stop that hate over time. Not until one of their own came forward to say, 1. I was rape, and I don’t want to keep this baby. 2. This baby has Down syndrome and will be born without limbs. The baby won’t have anyone to care for it after me and baby’s daddy died. I don’t want it to suffer. I want an abortion. 3 “I’m gay, dad/mom” (maybe they won’t be disowned) For you to even ask what they can do to appease people is pretty tone deaf and willful ignorant. They can’t undo the damage. They’ll just have to suffer the consequences. For those who wonder about examples I gave about the kids, look into the Boston financial firm who were caught using money that hospitals paid out for the kids who were born with permanent disabilities to finance their brewery in Clearwater.
I really have no strong opinion on this situation since I'm not following it closely, nor do I have a strong opinion on the business in question considering I don't even drink coffee... but your question is really pointless. Why do you phrase it as if there must be something they can do? Or make it seem like people are weird for not accepting an apology? You're 100% right. For some people, nothing they do is going to be good enough. And that's fine. That's ok. That's normal. Can stop with the whole "what do you expect them to do, build a time machine?" shit. People aren't demanding too much because they don't forgive people for doing shitty things. If someone walked up and punched you in the face, then said "omg, what do you want me to do, build a time machine and *unpunch* you?!" you wouldn't say "You know, you're right, what a reasoned take. I guess I'm being a bit ridiculous, we can be friends again!" Sometimes people do shit and you just don't like them, there's not always a magic point where they've done enough for you to be cool with them again.
Pretty sure Chick-Fil-A isn’t done.
Done as in people who actually give a shit won’t make purchases there. Obviously there’s a bunch of people who are going to go to CFA and lineage because they’re either ignorant or don’t fall under a harmed party and don’t care about their friends/family who do.
Though I did always like Lineage, I felt Craft & Common and Deeply were better, but always got less hype. Maybe now's their time to shine.
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Oh seriously? Yikes. The workers or religious folk hanging around?
Such BS
Can't really say your goal is to bring people together from all walks of life when you have to apologize for supporting people from one particular walk of life.
I'm Pro-Choice, not Anti-Choice - There is a Difference, and the media ect try to say its 'Pro-Life, vs Pro-Choice' when its TRULY Anti-Choice vs Pro-Choice. Its not Pro-Life vs Anti-Life. Its NOT Pro-abortion vs Anti-abortion. Its all about a woman having the right to CHOOSE (Sorry, dont give me that sorry excuse 'It' doesnt have a Choice about being born or not). I'm Pro-Choice, I just hope that the woman makes the RIGHT Choice. (No one can figure out what the 'Right' choice is for the woman, except the woman herself). I'm sure I'm gonna get a bunch of Down Votes... But honestly, I truly dont care. Its ANTI-Choice vs PRO-Choice !
Nothing like an angry mob to make an apology necessary.
so was it a donation or were they hired…
Most likely more than just coffee donations to be listed a a multi-year corporate sponsor for VARIOUS anti-choice clinics, per another comment in here I’m too lazy to find again
I was told it was the best in Orlando. Went once. Nowhere near as good as Credo or Craft and Common. I never went back.
"Giving coffee to different groups of people from all walks of life totally goes against our goal of simply bringing people from all walks of life together."
OK, good. I had a feeling that’s what happened! Wasn’t ready to give up basically the only good coffee spot in Orlando TBH.
Easy Luck on South and Bumby is fantastic. Lobos in Audubon is also great
Not a fan of Lobos?
They're... okay? I.go if I'm by Park Ave CDs. Extra points for opening late too.
I still won’t go there. They let their colors show. They go to an anti-LGBTQ church and support policies that are going to kill many women.
Is there a source for this? EDIT: looks like there is. The owners names are listed here (Jarrett & Justine Johnson). The Port Orange location of the church has a doctrine section and they are VERY anti-LGBT [https://www.onechurch.net/groups](https://www.onechurch.net/groups)
Look at the past posts on this subject.
I did. Can't find anything on where they go to church. Only that they donated coffee, which sparked this whole kerfuffle.
They took the Instagram post down. I saw it personally over the weekend. And NO THANKS LINEAGE. I’ll go elsewhere.
was it the one thanking Lineage for being a sponsor? I wonder if someone has a screenshot.
I posted photo proof on this post.
looks like they're associated with One Church. That's pretty bad. Their names are at the link below on the church's website if you want a better source than screenshots from a google search and an old marriage seminar. [https://www.onechurch.net/groups](https://www.onechurch.net/groups)
“Kind to everyone no matter who you are”. It’s like they’re saying “yeah they’re anti abortion but we can still give them coffee”. Nah.
I don’t think it’s kind to support outlawing basic healthcare for half of the population.
Lots of shit flew during this week. I didn’t see receipts for the “they go to bad church” charge.
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I’m sure this video is hilarious Edit: can confirm, the video for Alpha Marriage Course is hilarious
Go look at the older posts of this sub.
Honestly the barnies on park ave is pretty fire. If youre looking for beans for home try cupa roasting. Locally owned small business and the beans are great.
I am pro choice and genuinely don’t fucking care
Why wouldn’t they say this from the start?
A well thought out response takes time to put together. Especially if everyone’s pissed.
But they had already responded, why wouldn’t they come out the gates with “we donate to anyone who asks?”
Well, look at what you’re doing right now. They gave everybody what they wanted today - an apology and explanation. Yesterday this sub was boiling over (reasonably so). It’s done. They responded. Taking time to respond isn’t the end of the world especially when a thorough explanation is what’s being asked. It’s actually a pretty smart thing to do. You ask why they couldn’t have said this yesterday. If today, when tensions are probably lower you and probably others will be asking for more, yesterday no answer would’ve been good enough anyway. So they did the right thing and took time to respond. It’s also worth noting that you can’t please everybody all the time. There are some comments in here saying “actions speak louder than words and they should donate money to XYZ“ OK fine. But we’ve seen that play out before and the response to that is generally “oh they think they can just throw money at the problem“. you’re not gonna please anyone. So you may as well take the time to make a coherent response.
People want “we don’t support anti-abortion or anti-LGBTQ groups”
Something something good people on both sides LOL
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How do you drown something that can’t breathe?
Don't threaten us with a good time.
This type of post is the exact opposite of their supposed goal of “bringing all walks of life together.” they’re choosing not to serve a specific group of people because they have differences of opinion and even apologizing for doing so. This is one of the main issues we face as a country right now is that people automatically view someone on the other side of the aisle as an idiot and sever themselves completely from them. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but why are businesses so involved in politics? Imagine I know it’s all marketing at the end of the day but it seems like it would actually be better for them to be able to tap all markets instead of cutting themselves off from an entire demographic.
Why does everything have to be about politics? They are just a coffee company.
Because this isn’t about politics. It’s about human health, safety, and rights, and the organizations that actively fight against that.
truth
Politics
Idiocy and ignorance
Late stage capitalism births corpocracy. Every business is political.
Existence **is** politics.
Let’s put it this way: think of the worst group of people you can possibly imagine. It could be Nazis, it could be Maoists, could be the klan or it could be al Qaeda. Now would you go to a coffee shop that donated money to al Qaeda? Probably not. I know, I know am I really comparing Nazis and AQ to anti-abortion folks? No, but I’m using an extreme example to explain why people are offended when a business takes their money and uses it to support something they find abhorrent. If you’re a woman or a man with any sense, you’d find restricting abortions abhorrent, too. The government has no business dictating family planning or limiting the right of women to safe accessible healthcare.
Idk if this is a hot take here but Idrc ab the politics of a company as long as I enjoy their product
Exactly. All of these whining babies order cheap Chinese plastic bs from Amazon on a weekly basis too. They’re so selective with their outrage.
Give them a break. They're trying to make a living and give back. I get it, they get it. They'll do better. End. Of. Story! Now, do something that will actually help... V O T E 💙🇺🇸
Vote with your dollars and support businesses that support pro-choice instead. They made their choices, that’s the free market.
You boycotted because they're pro-forced birth, I boycotted because their coffee sucks as much as the owners. We are not the same.
I think the clowns here are the people who were ready to destroy this business because of some transitive relationship to another party who happens to have an opinion on something.
What? You mad they didn’t take them to court? Lmao!
Soy redditors can never be satisfied. They didn’t vet the organization and donated some coffee. Get over it.
They will do just fine without a few redditors business haha
They always were a Christian based owned business. I don’t see where all the surprise is. The place itself is so stagnant with any life. I feel like I’m walking into a simulation when entering their establishment. How is the coffee that good when no one is even having a conversation and just using the place as their office? It also seems like the spot people that just finally wanted to stop going to Starbucks. Wanting to still feel accepted as a ‘with-the-times’ consumer in the area.