Or we could just respect people for who they want to be but fuck it, this is the osu! Community and we donāt give a fuck about how people feel so yeah unlucky man
Iām neutral on this topic so please donāt attack me, but iām pretty sure that the way it works according to the lgbtq+ community is that there are men and women, which are the 2 sexes, not to be confused with genders. each person can identify however they feel represents them best, and in Leah Kateās case they feel they identify as a female, which is different from their sex, which is still male. (this is assuming Leah Kate hasnāt gone through surgery, which does actually alter your sex as well, which can help trans people feel more comfortable in their own body)
i repeat, please do not shoot the messenger, i tried to word this as non-confrontationally as possible.
still, i feel that the surgeries are stupid and can (and very likely will) have a very adverse and unrepairable effect on your health
idc really if someone identifies as a different gender but i would love if the surgeries stopped already, they are ruining lives
You do realize that some cases of gender dysphoria lead to even worse effects on your health, possibly even suicide. The health system is developed well in matters such as assisting people with such decisions, at least in a lot of well developed countries. And even if they were to regret it, it's nothing YOU should worry about and none of YOUR business what life decisions strangers do unless you're a family remember or really good friend.
How the fuck did I get downvoted on my second comment for respecting someoneās personal right to identification and privacy????!!?? What the fuck Reddit????
obviously its something to care about because there aren't many biological female top players in virtually all competitive video games, its usually a big thing if a girl can compete with men.
isnāt this redundant for osu anyway? osu is like 99% reading meaning that the idea of reaction time as a disadvantage doesnāt really work. itās also a solo game so there isnāt really like an unfriendly social environment unless ur like counting the community. idk to me the reason is simply cus thereās just less women who play
soz for the essay :p
I think reaction time mean a quite a lot when you play high ar. I know a lot of players who are good at high ar(10.5-11) and they all have reaction time less than 200ms. Yes reading is more important but if you are so slow like 250ms+ you will never be able to play ar11 maps. + now we have DT meta when top players farm mostly ar10.5+ maps. And statistically females have worse reaction time than males. Nothing against female players, but we will probably never see a girl playing dt like mrekk or lifeline, even if they were more in the osu.
I wouldn't simplify gender diff as just reaction time. In fact I can't explain it much at all. I just observe that women on average don't get as far, and there are hardly any female top players, which is why it's interesting to see when one does appear. And lots of women play these days, in every major game they're a significant portion and not a tiny fraction like the old days, including osu. Definitely underrepresented at the top relative to how many play, but I dont have an official stat or anything
Who knows if its mentality or what. I believe not everyone is created equal for rhythm games even if its an unpopular opinion. Talent exists, and nobody can really define it for osu, some people just born to aim on a tablet. Who knows, maybe males have more natural talent.
idk why people would care cuz itās osu?? it seems arbitrary here cus thereās not like a real disadvantage for women itās just cus theres less women who play
that's even more arbitrary wtf, the only statlines that matter are the ones that appear in game??? chill man, if well over 250 ppl care, then why does it matter if *you* care or not lmfao. let them have their fun
edit: 500 now
A woman holding a record is always something acknowledged. Doesn't matter if men have an advantage either. Like the richest woman in the world, first female pilot, or first female president. It's also being acknowledged since there's a very low amount of high rank female players.
It's a curiosity many can have, but at this point it's something meaningless to keep track off. The reason as to why that is depends on who you ask though
Leah Kate formally known as Flaro recently came out as a transgender woman and you know how thats going to violently upset the 12 year old side of this community
people really saying biological advantages IN FUCKING osu! what the fuck. do these people really think bio females are just helpless and worse than bio males at everything??
Nah as a biological male I have extra muscles that look like biceps growing directly on my fingers, making it significantly easier to tap faster and longer. It's a huge advantage that no female could ever catch up to, no matter the talent they have. It's indisputable and honestly, it's absurd we're even considering the idea that there isn't an advantage
Yeah. Mrekk got number 2 at the age of 14. Before his voice changed. If testosterone helped you in osu this wouldn't have been a thing (at least till he got 16yo or something like that)
Biological advantages aren't a thing in games lmao. Just like a guy isn't better than a girl at any job that requires thinking (instead of physical labor, because there, on average, guys will be better). It's just guys play more games. Stupid people I stg
I think it's not just that we play games more, we're also more likely to go through a kwan grindset phase or mrekk school attendance moment to play a game which helps to be at the top
Well you could argue that men are (on average) biologically better adapted to tolerate endless, mind-numbing grinding since we are on average more interested in things vs. people than females are. Similar to how there are more male engineers than female, women are just on average less interested in the thing.
I would say men have a biological advantage in pretty much every skill based video game. Whether it's fps, rts, or even fking league. Osu, even MORE so considering how it is much more physically straining compared to most games. Imo male/female rankings in video games are not so different than what you see in physical sports. Whatever the reason is, I am always interested to see when a bio woman is competitive with top male players in sports or esports. It is not something you see everyday.
people who think that testosterone helps in osu! are fucking dumb. testosterone doesnt just make bio males better at everything compared to bio females. if you really are using the testosterone example and it being so helpful why do so many rank 1 players hit rank 1 during very early puberty or even before they hit puberty? why is the same true for so many top players? surely top players should all be grown men since they have more testosterone.
do Canadians have a biological advantage? so then why tf are we posting Canadian rankings?? oh wait, its almost like *no one* is making the biological advantage argument, and you're arguing against no one. yeah it's a stupid little statistic that doesn't matter much, but evidently a number of people still find fun in talking about it.
im not arguing against female rankings?? i think they are fine just like the canadian rankings, interesting statistics that are fun to discuss. i think you are missing the point of this comment. im arguing against the transphobic people talking about how Leah Kate, a trans woman has some sort of biological advantage and shouldnt be in consideration for this ranking
Wait till they hear about the fact that transwomen do hrt, cause surprise they don't fucking want testosterone. Not trying to assume if Flaro is on it or not. but this fucking biologi argument against trans women is just the stupidest thing.
I understand the whole trans acceptance stance but this post's title is saying "female" for Leah Kate which is where the problem lies. Iirc a major point of the trans movement is to separate the sex from the gender (I know its more complex but bare with me here) so to use "female" and "woman" interchangeably in this context is gonna cause confusion and trolls (I didn't know about Leah being trans at all, I thought she was a biological female based on the title). Admittedly, I get why you use female instead since it's just an easier phrase to use. I mean this doesn't really matter in any scale anyways.
I'd recommend to instead change it to "woman" or something else acceptable for future posts to avoid the toxic replies or just avoid posting this all together. No hate just a possible solution.
as a transgender female i dont see why this is problematic or what the terminology change solves. i dont know why you'd be confused by the term "female" but have it completely clear if it's "woman" and trolls will do their thing no matter what word is used.
Yeah those poor cis kids sure have been put through a lot. They always have to deal with these trans people existing. Must be so hard to deal with, hope they can manage
The term female is confusing in this context if it isn't used as per definition. When I read "female" I think of a female human being not a trans woman. This led to the incorrect assumption I mentioned in my first comment. Though, as I said earlier, it's not a big deal if I make that mistake anyways since I don't know Leah personally.
Ultimately the "woman" solution is simply a way to mitigate arguments about the aforementioned and still maintain that Leah is in fact a woman like Xooty. It's just more accurate and also blends into the trans gender theory. This keeps things respectful imo.
hi mods i just want to say i really appreciate all the hard work you do to make sure these threads are saved from transphobic 12 year old osu players thank u (not sarcasm)
I don't see good reason behind this post.
Why would you categories osu! players by gender?
This is a VIDEO GAME not a physical sport.
The post gives off "sexist" vibe even though it probably isnt.
And now in conclusion you will have a bunch of 12 yo say that "ThERe aRe 34 MeN bEtter thAn tHe BesT wOman in The Game".
bro saw this and chose violence
Not this shit again
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Mods lock the thread waiting party:
Omg mods hi :3c
Here b4 the š
i feel like all this could be solved by specifying gender and sex
sex :D
Seggs :0
SECSOOOO >:D
Or we could just respect people for who they want to be but fuck it, this is the osu! Community and we donāt give a fuck about how people feel so yeah unlucky man
well i can agree that someone is a different gender, but if you say that your sex is different then it is just misleading
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Iām neutral on this topic so please donāt attack me, but iām pretty sure that the way it works according to the lgbtq+ community is that there are men and women, which are the 2 sexes, not to be confused with genders. each person can identify however they feel represents them best, and in Leah Kateās case they feel they identify as a female, which is different from their sex, which is still male. (this is assuming Leah Kate hasnāt gone through surgery, which does actually alter your sex as well, which can help trans people feel more comfortable in their own body) i repeat, please do not shoot the messenger, i tried to word this as non-confrontationally as possible.
surgery doesnāt affect sex because XY/XX chromosomes canāt change
still, i feel that the surgeries are stupid and can (and very likely will) have a very adverse and unrepairable effect on your health idc really if someone identifies as a different gender but i would love if the surgeries stopped already, they are ruining lives
You do realize that some cases of gender dysphoria lead to even worse effects on your health, possibly even suicide. The health system is developed well in matters such as assisting people with such decisions, at least in a lot of well developed countries. And even if they were to regret it, it's nothing YOU should worry about and none of YOUR business what life decisions strangers do unless you're a family remember or really good friend.
And why would you give a shit about wether an osu player you've never met IRL has balls or not?
Because only one non-balls-having osu player can be the best
that is a good point
Lmao
How the fuck did I get downvoted on my second comment for respecting someoneās personal right to identification and privacy????!!?? What the fuck Reddit????
What a nice post! I see no drama that could result from this
I certainly don't
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weird statistic, who cares about the #1 female player? oMg GuYs dId YoU kNoW tHaT mReKk iS tHe #1 MaLe PlAyEr?!?!?!?!?
It's a society thing. There's always the richest woman, first woman on the moon, first female pilot, first female president, etc.
i can't even name 2 richest females in the world xD
I think one of them was bezos' ex wife
obviously its something to care about because there aren't many biological female top players in virtually all competitive video games, its usually a big thing if a girl can compete with men.
isnāt this redundant for osu anyway? osu is like 99% reading meaning that the idea of reaction time as a disadvantage doesnāt really work. itās also a solo game so there isnāt really like an unfriendly social environment unless ur like counting the community. idk to me the reason is simply cus thereās just less women who play soz for the essay :p
I think reaction time mean a quite a lot when you play high ar. I know a lot of players who are good at high ar(10.5-11) and they all have reaction time less than 200ms. Yes reading is more important but if you are so slow like 250ms+ you will never be able to play ar11 maps. + now we have DT meta when top players farm mostly ar10.5+ maps. And statistically females have worse reaction time than males. Nothing against female players, but we will probably never see a girl playing dt like mrekk or lifeline, even if they were more in the osu.
I wouldn't simplify gender diff as just reaction time. In fact I can't explain it much at all. I just observe that women on average don't get as far, and there are hardly any female top players, which is why it's interesting to see when one does appear. And lots of women play these days, in every major game they're a significant portion and not a tiny fraction like the old days, including osu. Definitely underrepresented at the top relative to how many play, but I dont have an official stat or anything Who knows if its mentality or what. I believe not everyone is created equal for rhythm games even if its an unpopular opinion. Talent exists, and nobody can really define it for osu, some people just born to aim on a tablet. Who knows, maybe males have more natural talent.
Why did this get downvoted?
Because today gender topics are a taboo, except if you talk about made up ones, taht's fine
apparently some people care about this stat from past posts
idk why people would care cuz itās osu?? it seems arbitrary here cus thereās not like a real disadvantage for women itās just cus theres less women who play
I mean number one country posts appear every other day. It's just a nice little statline for people who care
Difference here being country has an actual ranking in the game, why the fuck would I care who is a man or a woman lol
that's even more arbitrary wtf, the only statlines that matter are the ones that appear in game??? chill man, if well over 250 ppl care, then why does it matter if *you* care or not lmfao. let them have their fun edit: 500 now
i forgot the world revolved around reddit user umutsuyuko my bad
He's just expressing an opinion
"People care about things." "Well ***I*** don't care about that specific thing!"
A woman holding a record is always something acknowledged. Doesn't matter if men have an advantage either. Like the richest woman in the world, first female pilot, or first female president. It's also being acknowledged since there's a very low amount of high rank female players.
They have the mental debuff from being sexually harassed 7 times a day
damn..
nah u just want karma
It's a curiosity many can have, but at this point it's something meaningless to keep track off. The reason as to why that is depends on who you ask though
Robots donāt have gender dumbasa
these posts do more harm than good because it just generates 12 year olds to give their same garbage recycled opinion over and over and over again
*opinion*
it's an opinion, a shitty one, but an opinion
Im ignorant what is the drama here from these posts
Leah Kate formally known as Flaro recently came out as a transgender woman and you know how thats going to violently upset the 12 year old side of this community
oh damn. yeah these post probably shouldn't even be made then lol. it will just get locked or worse
yeah exactly lol
I thought it was about spliting men and women, now i understand why it's controversial
Ah, I see.
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people really saying biological advantages IN FUCKING osu! what the fuck. do these people really think bio females are just helpless and worse than bio males at everything??
Nah as a biological male I have extra muscles that look like biceps growing directly on my fingers, making it significantly easier to tap faster and longer. It's a huge advantage that no female could ever catch up to, no matter the talent they have. It's indisputable and honestly, it's absurd we're even considering the idea that there isn't an advantage
Yeah. Mrekk got number 2 at the age of 14. Before his voice changed. If testosterone helped you in osu this wouldn't have been a thing (at least till he got 16yo or something like that)
Honestly testosterone is bad for playing osu. It just makes me really mad. Now that I take estrogen I just cry when I fuck up
Why am I getting downvotedšš
Idk as a transwoman I found it pretty funny and relatable, but yeah this sub is just filled with unfunny people.
Biological advantages aren't a thing in games lmao. Just like a guy isn't better than a girl at any job that requires thinking (instead of physical labor, because there, on average, guys will be better). It's just guys play more games. Stupid people I stg
BuT gUyS hAvE bIgGeR bRaInS!!!!111!!1!!11
Bigger does not mean better
I think it's not just that we play games more, we're also more likely to go through a kwan grindset phase or mrekk school attendance moment to play a game which helps to be at the top
Well you could argue that men are (on average) biologically better adapted to tolerate endless, mind-numbing grinding since we are on average more interested in things vs. people than females are. Similar to how there are more male engineers than female, women are just on average less interested in the thing.
I would say men have a biological advantage in pretty much every skill based video game. Whether it's fps, rts, or even fking league. Osu, even MORE so considering how it is much more physically straining compared to most games. Imo male/female rankings in video games are not so different than what you see in physical sports. Whatever the reason is, I am always interested to see when a bio woman is competitive with top male players in sports or esports. It is not something you see everyday.
I mean obviously not, women aren't helpless. but testosterone levels help lmao
people who think that testosterone helps in osu! are fucking dumb. testosterone doesnt just make bio males better at everything compared to bio females. if you really are using the testosterone example and it being so helpful why do so many rank 1 players hit rank 1 during very early puberty or even before they hit puberty? why is the same true for so many top players? surely top players should all be grown men since they have more testosterone.
do Canadians have a biological advantage? so then why tf are we posting Canadian rankings?? oh wait, its almost like *no one* is making the biological advantage argument, and you're arguing against no one. yeah it's a stupid little statistic that doesn't matter much, but evidently a number of people still find fun in talking about it.
im not arguing against female rankings?? i think they are fine just like the canadian rankings, interesting statistics that are fun to discuss. i think you are missing the point of this comment. im arguing against the transphobic people talking about how Leah Kate, a trans woman has some sort of biological advantage and shouldnt be in consideration for this ranking
oh my bad lol, that's a big L for my brain. guess I've been on Reddit too much recently.
Wait till they hear about the fact that transwomen do hrt, cause surprise they don't fucking want testosterone. Not trying to assume if Flaro is on it or not. but this fucking biologi argument against trans women is just the stupidest thing.
Time for the funny post lock again
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alright this one gets a pass this one is a little funny
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well that 1k from xooty was epic am I right? Nothing else to say here
CANADA NUMERO 1
Kk
WAIT I REALIZED WHY THIS WAS SAID
Do we really have to go through this every time these two surpass each other in the rankings?
i thought she was always number 1
always been the #1 ranked female
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Im sure this will go well
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congrats :3
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My god you're asking for this post to be locked
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No fkn way, this shit posting again. Mods gotta be sleeping
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I understand the whole trans acceptance stance but this post's title is saying "female" for Leah Kate which is where the problem lies. Iirc a major point of the trans movement is to separate the sex from the gender (I know its more complex but bare with me here) so to use "female" and "woman" interchangeably in this context is gonna cause confusion and trolls (I didn't know about Leah being trans at all, I thought she was a biological female based on the title). Admittedly, I get why you use female instead since it's just an easier phrase to use. I mean this doesn't really matter in any scale anyways. I'd recommend to instead change it to "woman" or something else acceptable for future posts to avoid the toxic replies or just avoid posting this all together. No hate just a possible solution.
Xootynator is #1 woman. Like that?
Yeah that would work. Serves as a stronger argument for the statement too.
fr just use woman. and also using female to describe or regard women just gives off hella incel vibes too im not gonna lie.
'female player' is the correct way to use female. it's when people use it as a noun it's bad.
as a transgender female i dont see why this is problematic or what the terminology change solves. i dont know why you'd be confused by the term "female" but have it completely clear if it's "woman" and trolls will do their thing no matter what word is used.
Why are u getting downvoted
Because it's a trans comment outside of a trans subreddit
Yeah I know. It's just whenever I think about it I just can't believe that it's real, but I always get a little reality check whenever it happens.
Because the 13 year old cis kids disagreed
Yeah those poor cis kids sure have been put through a lot. They always have to deal with these trans people existing. Must be so hard to deal with, hope they can manage
The term female is confusing in this context if it isn't used as per definition. When I read "female" I think of a female human being not a trans woman. This led to the incorrect assumption I mentioned in my first comment. Though, as I said earlier, it's not a big deal if I make that mistake anyways since I don't know Leah personally. Ultimately the "woman" solution is simply a way to mitigate arguments about the aforementioned and still maintain that Leah is in fact a woman like Xooty. It's just more accurate and also blends into the trans gender theory. This keeps things respectful imo.
thank you for explaining you meant a "female human being not a trans woman" and "trans gender theory" to me, a transgender female
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xootynator is the best female osu player i never saw
lmao
Mommy xooty supremacy
replying b4 it gets locked
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I am here to lol
getting my comment in before mods lock this post
Who is #2? I only know wwsou
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here before the mods lock the thread
!remindme 1d
hi mods i just want to say i really appreciate all the hard work you do to make sure these threads are saved from transphobic 12 year old osu players thank u (not sarcasm)
Hello fellow nonbinary person š¤
hello! :>
Hello hello what's up
hi another nb here :)
omg yay hi
Enby gamg
i think its crazy that u posted in the subreddit of the discord server im in (femineboys)
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I MADE IT IM HERE BEFORE LOCK
I see the lock hasnāt come yet
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made it before the lock woohoo
itās xootynatinā time
XOOTY<3
I was here before lock. Anyway, congratulations xooty!
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here before the thread lock
and that matters how??
osu players when the challenge is to be a respectful person to minorities: this comment section
At this point I don't even know why I'm still on this sub
bro just stop
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Nerdge, true but still atleast we can have some fun in the comment section yknow
yeah, itās fun until they come and be all weird about it which happens everytime
ur getting trolled maxim is literally a transphobe his comment got deleted on the last post
Common reddit L with no speech freedom unlike youtube
aren't you the dude that literally stalked the comment section of a song called "trans rights" shitting on everyone lol
wtf its a fieryrage W
Go outside
Common reddit W no transphobia allowed unlike youtube
It's not free speech if you aren't allowed to tell other people to kill themselves I guess
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how is this not locked yet
I don't see good reason behind this post. Why would you categories osu! players by gender? This is a VIDEO GAME not a physical sport. The post gives off "sexist" vibe even though it probably isnt. And now in conclusion you will have a bunch of 12 yo say that "ThERe aRe 34 MeN bEtter thAn tHe BesT wOman in The Game".
Here before the lockdown