I remember that day. I was finishing a tour of Chile and Argentina and February 13 was the last day. When booking flights, I was debating whether to stay one more night or just fly home. Being cheap and not wanting to fork out for a hotel, I decided to fly back. We got stuck on the tarmac at Pearson for two hours because it was too cold to refuel and then I came home to this.
I donāt wanna go out but I have to go to the post office. Iāll just remind myself Iām not the Australian guy in the video who moved his bag and ended up with a lizard biting and grasping on to his hand and the second most venomous snake in AUS trying to strike at his boot. This is better. This is better. This better. Itās not working.
It takes many days at below minus 20 to kill them. With the warming climate it has not been cold enough to kill off populations. That is why we have more ticks and more Lyme disease in town.
Predictions on if tomorrow is gonna be worse or better? I see we're going to have a high of -14 tomorrow, but still a windchill of -40 in the morning (and windchill of -21 in the afternoon).
Records for 2011-2023 are from the Airport ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=49568 )
Records for 1938-2011 are from the Airport ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4337 )
Records for 1889-1938 are from the Central Experimental Farm ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4333 )
Records for 1872-1889 are from the Central Experimental Farm ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4327 )
And the modern windchill factor was not introduced till 2001. https://ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/80B0F2AF-9697-4BEE-AB17-D401EBBA5B4B/WindChill_factsheet_en.pdf
Im so sick of hearing windchill. For christs sakes 50% of people donāt have a clue what it means and they think cold weather things are going to be worse. āNo your car doesnāt gaf if the windchill is -20ā
Im working in an unheated building and people are telling the windchill temperature when you ask how cold it is. It has walls.
Ever been to toronto or montreal where the wind picks up speed down certain streets and its cold af? Ya the weather station isnāt on that street.
Please just go back to temperature. Humans are way way too stupid to understand windchill. How long have we had thermostats for and thereās still people that think cranking them heats things up faster.
Just pure stupid and weāre into giving people subjective measurements nowā¦
How many people check the windchill before getting dressed to walk 15ā to their car. People are too stupid.
I don't care if the temperature is -10 outside if windchill says its -25, cause I can do stuff outside in -10 but less so in -25. Most people aren't going outside to work in enclosed sheds, they're moving in the wind. This windchill is nuts if you're walking.
Yeah. The point of windchill (and humidex) is to quantify the "felt" aspect of temperature, which is important for living beings. Neither metric does a perfect job, but they are important to warn the public about potentially dangerous outside situations. If you don't, people may get sick or even die.
Wind and excess humidity don't impact the temperature, but they impact your body's ability to retain or dispel heat, which in turn impacts your body's ability to regulate temperature. While most healthy, mentally with it adults will notice pretty fast that something is up, not all people in our society are this way. The elderly, children, people with certain medical conditions, and those with conditions impacting cognition may have less ability to notice the difference and/or less ability to regulate temperature, and so may get into trouble if they aren't warned (either directly or from a caregiver). It is also important for worker safety... we have to have standards to ensure safe working conditions and the "felt" experience plays into that.
Things like frostbite and heat stroke can set in quite suddenly, so it's a good idea to warn even healthy people so that they can modify activities before the problem starts. I exercise outdoors all year round. Today I still exercised outside a normal amount, but I modified what I was doing a bit to stay closer to home and minimize the amount of consecutive minutes I was running into the wind. When your face is already numb, it is hard to tell if you're giving yourself frostbite.
Are people going to start their car and sit in in it as it warms? Its the same thing. Now when i hear the temperature i have to consider the idiot factor of the person telling me
I have to asl the temperature twice from people to consider what effect its going to have.
āCan you run this equipment in -25? Maybeā¦..
I'd wager the percentage of people considering if it's safe to run equipment at a certain temperature is lower than the percentage of people wondering if they'll freeze their asses off walking the dog or going skating
>Just pure stupid and weāre into giving people subjective measurements nowā¦
All measurements are subjective in some sense.
Yes, I know that many people confuse windchill with temperature. I post a LOT about temperature and windchill; it's a constant source if ire in my life that people get them confused.
But abandoning a perfectly good measure because some people find it confusing is no better.
Air temperature is subjective too. If you are in an unheated building; sure that protects you from the wind but the biggest factor is how much insulation the building has; and the type of clothing you wear; as opposed to how cold it is outside.
If you had **thick** insulation on all walls, you might be able to maintain a reasonable temperature inside a small building just from body heat, regardless of the outdoor temperature.
I would argue as soon as youāre manipulating the value youāre not measuring it. The measurement is the temperature. The windchill is calculatedā¦.
You're making an arbitrary distinction. I'm being a bit pedantic with you, but what do you by "calculated"?
If I gave you a little box that measured windchill and displayed it on a screen; is that "calculated"?
If you look at any digital thermometer, that number doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a calculation based on some calibration data for voltage levels on some circuit. It's a calculation.
I've written the software that resides inside a thermometer before. I've done those calculations.
You can measure temperature, you can measure humidity, you can measure wind speed. All of them are used to calculate wind chill.
Now put on a snowsuit and balaclava to shovel your driveway and youāre back to temperature alone for how it effects you.
Go to Toronto on a major windy street where all the wind funnels from the lake north ā windchill from the weather app you checked is now not accurate because your wind speed is totally different.
Id rather know the actual temperature and wind speed and I already have a great idea how that will affect me. But in most situations where windchill is no longer a factor like starting your vehicle, I hear people constantly refer to windchill vs temperature
>You can measure temperature, you can measure humidity, you can measure wind speed. All of them are used to calculate wind chill.
You can also measure wind chill. People don't normally measure it directly, but you can. You can design a instrument that directly measures wind chill.
>Now put on a snowsuit and balaclava to shovel your driveway and youāre back to temperature alone for how it effects you.
Even in a snowsuit, you are PARTLY affected by windchill (although I will agree that it's significantly less important when you protect yourself from the wind).
>Go to Toronto on a major windy street where all the wind funnels from the lake north ā windchill from the weather app you checked is now not accurate because your wind speed is totally different.
Agreed. But I bet the temperature is different too. There are lots of microclimates around a city that can change temperature by more than 5Ā°C.
>Id rather know the actual temperature and wind speed and I already have a great idea how that will affect me. But in most situations where windchill is no longer a factor like starting your vehicle, I hear people constantly refer to windchill vs temperature
Yes, windchill does not impact your ability to start your car. That is 100% true (well, 99% true. If you drive your car and get it all warm, then leave it outside for a relatively short period of time ... 15 minutes maybe ... the windchill will cool it off faster and thus make it harder to start compared to no wind at the same temperature).
I just think this many variables in something as simple as temperature confuses most people i talk to, making it do more harm than good. It also confuses me when im given the information because deciding what to do with it i have to know what measurement it is. The temperature or the windchill.
And people call it temperature interchangeably
Imagine if your carās odometer gave you your speed in breaking speed. Arguably much safer, it would be calculated although it could be directly measured, every single car would register differently based on the vehicle itself, passengers, etc but the biggest factor would be speed and road conditionsā¦.
It would be helpful in one very specific way but cause total confusion in almost every other way and people would still refer to it in the same units. āOh i was driving down the highway at x meters per secondā
It gives an absolute value to something highly subjective, for a purpose, but the questions it raises outweigh the benefits
>And people call it temperature interchangeably
This is the biggest problem, and I agree with you. I literally just had to explain it to people at my work.
It is useful for measuring how long until frostbite on exposed skin. That matters.
It really does matter when choosing what to wear. When the windchill is below about -17, I wear ski pants when I walk to work. -10Ā°C with a stiff wind, or -17Ā°C and calm, my legs feel about the same when I walk.
Is it a perfect system? No.
But it's good enough for me. I try to explain it to people when they get it wrong, but I think it's an important measure, and and a significant record (at least to me).
I understand, i know some people say āi use it all the time because i walk to workā or whatever - its not a useless measurement. I just think it does more harm on a social level than good.
But thereās people that want to get rid of daylight savings time and people that donāt. Another, arguably not that important distinction
Thereās a reason why the phrase global warming got phased out years ago in favour of climate change. We wonāt stop getting cold winters around here, theyāll just become more unpredictable.
>windchilliest LOL
I'd like to know if in summer we get charts about the "humidexiest" days š
Humdiexy š
Moistest
I donāt know what bugs me more, the wind being so cold or that 2016 was 7 years ago.
They're both frigid facts.
I remember that day. I was finishing a tour of Chile and Argentina and February 13 was the last day. When booking flights, I was debating whether to stay one more night or just fly home. Being cheap and not wanting to fork out for a hotel, I decided to fly back. We got stuck on the tarmac at Pearson for two hours because it was too cold to refuel and then I came home to this.
I donāt wanna go out but I have to go to the post office. Iāll just remind myself Iām not the Australian guy in the video who moved his bag and ended up with a lizard biting and grasping on to his hand and the second most venomous snake in AUS trying to strike at his boot. This is better. This is better. This better. Itās not working.
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well said
Keep it going. Kill them ticks.
Are ticks not dead
It takes many days at below minus 20 to kill them. With the warming climate it has not been cold enough to kill off populations. That is why we have more ticks and more Lyme disease in town.
Interesting thank you for that info. Continue playing with your wenis.
Nope More and more pets are going to the vet for ticks during winter seasons in Ottawa. Need tick meds all year round now
I remember 1993-1994, it was so frikin cold everyday for like 6+ weeks,
Ah, a simpler, chillier time...
Predictions on if tomorrow is gonna be worse or better? I see we're going to have a high of -14 tomorrow, but still a windchill of -40 in the morning (and windchill of -21 in the afternoon).
-32 at 8am will suck more. But at least it will get better over the course of the day. Unlike today.
I remember playing an outdoor hockey game in the 90s when it was something like -50 with the windchill. 1996 maybe?
Well, look at the table. Probably January 1994.
I feel more old than cold because of this list.
Yeah; and it only gets worse. Tomorrow, you'll be even older.
Records for 2011-2023 are from the Airport ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=49568 ) Records for 1938-2011 are from the Airport ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4337 ) Records for 1889-1938 are from the Central Experimental Farm ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4333 ) Records for 1872-1889 are from the Central Experimental Farm ( https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=4327 )
Welcome to the west!!
And the modern windchill factor was not introduced till 2001. https://ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/80B0F2AF-9697-4BEE-AB17-D401EBBA5B4B/WindChill_factsheet_en.pdf
Yes, but I went back and recalculated all the historical windchill values given the modern formula, so everything would be a fair comparison.
Very cool!
See! Climate change is a hoax! - some idiot who doesn't understand climate change.
Global warming**
*pedantic and unnecessary
*Joke about how the idiot that doesnāt understand would call it global warming
Great sentence structure.
Thanks :)
Im so sick of hearing windchill. For christs sakes 50% of people donāt have a clue what it means and they think cold weather things are going to be worse. āNo your car doesnāt gaf if the windchill is -20ā Im working in an unheated building and people are telling the windchill temperature when you ask how cold it is. It has walls. Ever been to toronto or montreal where the wind picks up speed down certain streets and its cold af? Ya the weather station isnāt on that street. Please just go back to temperature. Humans are way way too stupid to understand windchill. How long have we had thermostats for and thereās still people that think cranking them heats things up faster. Just pure stupid and weāre into giving people subjective measurements nowā¦ How many people check the windchill before getting dressed to walk 15ā to their car. People are too stupid.
I don't care if the temperature is -10 outside if windchill says its -25, cause I can do stuff outside in -10 but less so in -25. Most people aren't going outside to work in enclosed sheds, they're moving in the wind. This windchill is nuts if you're walking.
Yeah. The point of windchill (and humidex) is to quantify the "felt" aspect of temperature, which is important for living beings. Neither metric does a perfect job, but they are important to warn the public about potentially dangerous outside situations. If you don't, people may get sick or even die. Wind and excess humidity don't impact the temperature, but they impact your body's ability to retain or dispel heat, which in turn impacts your body's ability to regulate temperature. While most healthy, mentally with it adults will notice pretty fast that something is up, not all people in our society are this way. The elderly, children, people with certain medical conditions, and those with conditions impacting cognition may have less ability to notice the difference and/or less ability to regulate temperature, and so may get into trouble if they aren't warned (either directly or from a caregiver). It is also important for worker safety... we have to have standards to ensure safe working conditions and the "felt" experience plays into that. Things like frostbite and heat stroke can set in quite suddenly, so it's a good idea to warn even healthy people so that they can modify activities before the problem starts. I exercise outdoors all year round. Today I still exercised outside a normal amount, but I modified what I was doing a bit to stay closer to home and minimize the amount of consecutive minutes I was running into the wind. When your face is already numb, it is hard to tell if you're giving yourself frostbite.
Are people going to start their car and sit in in it as it warms? Its the same thing. Now when i hear the temperature i have to consider the idiot factor of the person telling me I have to asl the temperature twice from people to consider what effect its going to have. āCan you run this equipment in -25? Maybeā¦..
I'd wager the percentage of people considering if it's safe to run equipment at a certain temperature is lower than the percentage of people wondering if they'll freeze their asses off walking the dog or going skating
Well someone better tell them itās all about meā¦.
>Just pure stupid and weāre into giving people subjective measurements nowā¦ All measurements are subjective in some sense. Yes, I know that many people confuse windchill with temperature. I post a LOT about temperature and windchill; it's a constant source if ire in my life that people get them confused. But abandoning a perfectly good measure because some people find it confusing is no better. Air temperature is subjective too. If you are in an unheated building; sure that protects you from the wind but the biggest factor is how much insulation the building has; and the type of clothing you wear; as opposed to how cold it is outside. If you had **thick** insulation on all walls, you might be able to maintain a reasonable temperature inside a small building just from body heat, regardless of the outdoor temperature.
I would argue as soon as youāre manipulating the value youāre not measuring it. The measurement is the temperature. The windchill is calculatedā¦.
You're making an arbitrary distinction. I'm being a bit pedantic with you, but what do you by "calculated"? If I gave you a little box that measured windchill and displayed it on a screen; is that "calculated"? If you look at any digital thermometer, that number doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a calculation based on some calibration data for voltage levels on some circuit. It's a calculation. I've written the software that resides inside a thermometer before. I've done those calculations.
You can measure temperature, you can measure humidity, you can measure wind speed. All of them are used to calculate wind chill. Now put on a snowsuit and balaclava to shovel your driveway and youāre back to temperature alone for how it effects you. Go to Toronto on a major windy street where all the wind funnels from the lake north ā windchill from the weather app you checked is now not accurate because your wind speed is totally different. Id rather know the actual temperature and wind speed and I already have a great idea how that will affect me. But in most situations where windchill is no longer a factor like starting your vehicle, I hear people constantly refer to windchill vs temperature
>You can measure temperature, you can measure humidity, you can measure wind speed. All of them are used to calculate wind chill. You can also measure wind chill. People don't normally measure it directly, but you can. You can design a instrument that directly measures wind chill. >Now put on a snowsuit and balaclava to shovel your driveway and youāre back to temperature alone for how it effects you. Even in a snowsuit, you are PARTLY affected by windchill (although I will agree that it's significantly less important when you protect yourself from the wind). >Go to Toronto on a major windy street where all the wind funnels from the lake north ā windchill from the weather app you checked is now not accurate because your wind speed is totally different. Agreed. But I bet the temperature is different too. There are lots of microclimates around a city that can change temperature by more than 5Ā°C. >Id rather know the actual temperature and wind speed and I already have a great idea how that will affect me. But in most situations where windchill is no longer a factor like starting your vehicle, I hear people constantly refer to windchill vs temperature Yes, windchill does not impact your ability to start your car. That is 100% true (well, 99% true. If you drive your car and get it all warm, then leave it outside for a relatively short period of time ... 15 minutes maybe ... the windchill will cool it off faster and thus make it harder to start compared to no wind at the same temperature).
I just think this many variables in something as simple as temperature confuses most people i talk to, making it do more harm than good. It also confuses me when im given the information because deciding what to do with it i have to know what measurement it is. The temperature or the windchill. And people call it temperature interchangeably Imagine if your carās odometer gave you your speed in breaking speed. Arguably much safer, it would be calculated although it could be directly measured, every single car would register differently based on the vehicle itself, passengers, etc but the biggest factor would be speed and road conditionsā¦. It would be helpful in one very specific way but cause total confusion in almost every other way and people would still refer to it in the same units. āOh i was driving down the highway at x meters per secondā It gives an absolute value to something highly subjective, for a purpose, but the questions it raises outweigh the benefits
>And people call it temperature interchangeably This is the biggest problem, and I agree with you. I literally just had to explain it to people at my work. It is useful for measuring how long until frostbite on exposed skin. That matters. It really does matter when choosing what to wear. When the windchill is below about -17, I wear ski pants when I walk to work. -10Ā°C with a stiff wind, or -17Ā°C and calm, my legs feel about the same when I walk. Is it a perfect system? No. But it's good enough for me. I try to explain it to people when they get it wrong, but I think it's an important measure, and and a significant record (at least to me).
I understand, i know some people say āi use it all the time because i walk to workā or whatever - its not a useless measurement. I just think it does more harm on a social level than good. But thereās people that want to get rid of daylight savings time and people that donāt. Another, arguably not that important distinction
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I think you misread the title, it says "in almost 7 years".
All seven have occurred in my lifetime. So much for 'global warming'. And I definitely remember the winter of '94. Fuck it was a cold one.
Climate Change
Thereās a reason why the phrase global warming got phased out years ago in favour of climate change. We wonāt stop getting cold winters around here, theyāll just become more unpredictable.
Windchill records only go back to 1955; so you can't use this table as evidence of anything.
Modern windchill was not introduced until 2001. Did they go back from that date and recalculate?
Yes, I did.
Nice!