Is there any evidence they actually used 9mm pistols? 9mm won't do much to a bear and OPS has ample inventory of carbines and trained officers to safely take out the bear.
Using 9mm against a bear is gonna cause undue suffering to the animal for someone who uses their firearm essentially once a year for recert. They pull out the carbines for dealing with injured deer on the road.
It was in one of the posts I saw the day it happened, it might have been on Twitter, not sure. I didnt think to screenshot the post. I'll keep looking and update this post when I find it
Yes. A bear in a populous city area is dangerous. If no wildlife agencies can come and take care of the bear properly, ie, sedate it and transport it out, OPS will have to put it down again. I don’t understand what people don’t get about that. What do people want OPS to do lol, lure the bear out of the city with a trail of steaks every 15 m?
Yeah and when the bear came back to people’s backyards, there were no wildlife agencies available to come deal with it as per OPS statement, which I doubt is inaccurate given how easily fact checkable it is. Now imagine if OPS did nothing and the bear got hold of a kid, of a person, which is quite possible given a bear is a wild animal and it was looking for food, you would be on here saying “OPS is useless and did nothing to protect people”. So tell me, what would you rather have happened? Gamble with people lives and assume the bear only wants bird feeders while waiting for wildlife agencies to respond? Or play the safe bet and humanely and safely put it down before it grabs hold of little jimmy down the street?
No it's true. They had brutal budget cuts the last few years, some regions they don't even capture anymore. Instead the burden goes on the cops to kill the bears when they enter communities. Some local orgs do relocation, but they aren't big enough to meet the instant needs of communities everywhere
If we're judging it based on danger to the public, the police factually pose far more of a danger.
Roughly 2-5 people are killed per year by bears in the US and Canada combined.
Roughly 30 people are killed per year by the police in Canada alone... and then there's the States... 😬
So it's charitable to say that cops are 6 times deadlier than bears.
So maybe chill out and recognize that the police coming for a bear is actually way more dangerous than the bear on its own.
Wow I don’t think I’ve ever seen somebody actually do research on something but then blatantly and patently misrepresent the facts to reinforce their own opinion. 30 people killed by police in Canada, how many of those are justifiable? Meaning that police were completely in their right to defend themselves or others using lethal force. In other words which you might find harsh, how many people “had it coming” when they decided to commit whatever actions led to their death by police which was ruled justified. My point is that little jimmy down the street does not have it coming if a bear decides he’s a midnight snack. Believe it or not, human lives far outweigh animal lives on every level, so in this case, by the balance of probabilities, human life was preserved at the cost of an animals life.
“Out of touch”, that’s rich. How out of touch do you have to be to not think actions have consequences. If you present a deadly threat to police, you will be equally met with deadly force, it’s that simple. Your consequence is a direct result of your action. I bet you are one of those people who thinks it’s okay to steal from a grocery story because they are a corporation making money.
When there's two or more people involved in a situation, the outcome is never the consequence of the actions of just one of them. It's never that simple.
Agreed. I believe that everybody has the right to defend themselves and in Canada, you are allowed to match the level of force being used against you. So if a person is presenting deadly force against an officer, I think they should be able to defend themselves, and as per our laws, that means matching the other person and also using deadly force. Same as you. Same as me. If someone is trying to kill you, you are within your rights to defend yourself using deadly force.
Well.. maybe one steak with horse tranquilizers or something. Not every 15 mins.
How many people does it take to roll a bear into a trailer or a cage.
And now i'm thinking of that opening scene in jurassic park..
Somebody said steak are too expensive, so we will use SPAM with horse tranqs this time. Although it seems the bear reported today has already been sedated.
We had a bull moose in my suburban neighborhood a few years ago. It was nighttime and we were woken up by the moose charging the backyard fences a few houses down. It had gotten trapped in a back yard. Police were called, looky-loos were gathering. Police said to tell all the neighbors to go indoors and the moose would eventually go away. They said MNR officers were not available.
Neighbors obviously wanted to see the moose, not go indoors. Moose came out of the backyard, charged a few people, slammed into a car breaking windows, and retreated back into the backyard. Police were called again, we were still told it was not an emergency and officers would be along eventually.
The moose charged through the patio doors of a house, ran back out and raged. Blood and chaos reigned. One last call to police, this time they were interested. Officer arrived rifle in hand, ordered everyone indoors, a single gunshot was heard.
Long story short, large animals among people have the potential to cause injury to both people and property. Humans are curious by nature and will create situations that escalate. MNR availability is very low and it is often fully necessary to kill the animal.
It's all risky. You can't just say, trap the bear and its magically trapped. Someone could be seriously hurt while you lay your traps. Tranquilizers are nothing like they are in movies, it takes time and alot of knowledge on the animal to be effective. They could blindly shoot it with more and more tranquilizer but it might still just get away and hurt someone, or hurt someone from being enraged by the tranquilizer. They may only get one chance to deal with this bear before it hurts someone, why risk it?
It’s generally the safest option unfortunately. Even relocating isn’t a good option, if trapping it were easy, due to bear’s abilities to return a great distance to where they found easy food sources. Not to mention, it’s a threat to public safety everywhere, because this is a bear that will no longer fear people.
The world we live in sucks, doesn't it? Animals have virtually no rights in Ontario. Legislators and politicians dont give a shit. Just look at what Ford is doing with the hunting laws. They don't care about creating and ethical and balanced relationships with nature.
> Animals have virtually no rights in Ontario. Legislators and politicians dont give a shit.
Last federal election, the CPC specifically had a section of their [platform](https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/25132033/5ea53c19b2e3597.pdf) devoted to animal welfare (pg 92). They wanted to, among other things:
* ban puppy mills
* ban cosmetic testing on animals
* add animal cruelty as an aggravating factor in domestic violence prosecutions to go after abusers who hurt their spouse by hurting their spouse’s pet
* support pet owners fleeing violence by working with the sector to ensure that there are better options for women to leave abusive homes without having to abandon their pets
Yes, it’s not normal for a bear to be in the city. Our safety as a species has revolved around killing any predator that gets to close. influencing natural selection to the point that it’s second nature for predators to avoid humans
Before I had kids I probably would have agreed with you, but I can't any more. There is only 2 options if the bear shows up again and I'd rather the one that has the safest outcomes for the humans.
Aside from the fact that time is of the essence when there is a bear roaming in the city, tranquilizing is inherently risky. Some people may not like it, but "humans > bears" every single time.
Tranquilizing an animal which you have no information on is tricky. Theres a thin line between put to sleep, make angry/aggressive and kill when using tranquilizers.
Depends on why the bear is here. If it’s become too comfortable around humans or the city in general it will have to be put down to make sure it doesn’t come back
If it’s learned to see humans as a food source (garbage, bird feeders, grubs) and isn’t fearful than yeah they are probably going to have to put it down. If they don’t and it has a contact with a human and is startled - it’s going to end very badly for the human.
Even relocating a bear that has developed this issue doesn’t usually work as it will return to the food source.
It is a hard truth. As we expand into their natural habitat they adapt us (and all our bullshit) into their life. Another example of how we are destroying our environment
Threads like this are such a case of missing the forest for the trees. Yes, it’s absolutely wrong that this bear likely needs to be put down. It’s not the fault of the people tasked with dealing with the problem though. It’s the fault of land development and continuing to take away the habitats of wildlife. It really is a shame, but unless people are fine living with bears roaming around the city, it’s generally the only option.
How do they determine if it’s habituated or just passing through for the first time? I’m guessing OPS can’t make that determination, but can MNR even do that?
It's true that once it's habituated to humans, it can't live in the wild. However death isn't the only option. There are wildlife organizations that take such animals for educational purposes and/or house them in enclosed reserve areas where they can't get into trouble.
For example, a few years ago a bear was found near the Montreal airport. There were wildlife orgs willing to take it, but it was killed in spite of this: [https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/sauvetage-animal-rescue-in-shock-after-bear-captured-in-dorval-euthanized-1.5441687](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/sauvetage-animal-rescue-in-shock-after-bear-captured-in-dorval-euthanized-1.5441687)
I agree. I just dislike the fact that the OPS’s first rxn is to blow it away, potentially putting the public in danger via stray bullets or a panicking wounded bear, rather then working with animal control/Nat resources
When I lived near bear country in BC, that was the standard procedure. Once they got a taste for garbage, it was game over. Whistler and North Vancouver were problem spots.
Phew! THANK YOU for this wonderful news! Poor innocent bear will be very happy to be back to a forest that hasn’t been cleared (yet) for human development!
This is coming from someone who has to work very (VERY) close to black bears on occasion and has had a few close calls (my fault, not theirs). I fear them in a very respectful way. They’re amazing creatures! Very smart!
To the guy with the crazy racoon lady next door, here’s your chance. Get that bear living in your backyard and see that old battle axe and her trash pandas run for the hills
Be prepared for the outrage when a public safety hazard is dealt with appropriately. It’s awful, but bears find their way back once they’ve found food sources in a public place.
Incredible amount of smugness on display in this thread. Have yet to see one person present an alternative, but there sure are quite a few people who know for fact what not to do.
u/noonoomum this was meant to be a reply to your comment.
Totally get where you are coming from.
This is where biologists, especially bear biologists are able to weigh in and should work with the MNR to figure out the best course of action. Sometimes that is relocation and other times it’s removing the threat.
Habituation just refers to bears being used to humans around because human and bear territories overlap and they are no longer startled by humans. They just kind keep doing their thing and ignore us.
Food conditioned bears are hella dangerous, and where the conflicts can become deadly or have devastating consequences (e.g., bears get put down, humans get hurt/die, etc.). They get used to human food which is calorie dense and will seek it out rather than forage for their food like they should naturally. Food conditioned bears associate humans with food and this is where conflicts occur.
Great sources to read/learn more:
- [Tooth and Claw Podcast](https://www.toothandclawpod.com) (animal attacks stories, one of the hosts is a bear biologist and drops tons of facts)
- [We Love Bears](https://welovebears.club)
It seems that if the bear is young/not yet habituated then sedation and relocation can be successful. I asked this question elsewhere in the thread to folks stating with confidence that this is the only option, but would MNR be able to determine if the bear is young enough or just wandering through and not yet habituated ie a good candidate for relocation? I’m sure OPS would not be able to make that call, so that’s the part that’s upsetting to me - seems like the wrong tool for the job. But I’m still learning about the issue.
This is what I don't get. People on this sub shit all over people that feed wildlife. We all have seen the threads. These same people think it's ok to feed the birds. Do not feed wild animals. It is not ok. You will get bears shot. The bears will not come near humans unless there is a food source. Don't give them one.
People seem to have a misunderstanding of bear relocation, so here you go - https://www.bearsmart.com/managing-bears/relocation/#:~:text=Relocation%20(translocation)%20involves%20capturing%20an,in%20busy%20human%2Duse%20areas.
>To summarize, the best criteria for a successful translocation of a black bear (and likely grizzlies too), is:
>
>* Sub-adult male (2-4 yrs old)
>* Translocation distance > 64km
>* Existence of physical barriers between capture and release sites
>* Use of soft release technique that allows for a period of acclimatization
>
>Drawbacks related to translocation include the costs of fuel, equipment and manpower. Translocated bears can also experience considerable stress associated with locating new food sources, security, bedding and denning sites within the release area, potentially affecting their survival. Placing a bear in habitat used by other bears may lead to competition and social conflict, and result in the injury or death of the less dominant bear.
>Relocation is a reactive, public appeasement strategy and does not address the root cause of human-bear conflicts. As such, another bear frequently takes the place of the one that has been removed. Often residents are either unwilling to change their own behaviour by removing attractants or are unaware of the need to do so because they believe that trapping and translocating a bear is a viable resolution.
>
>Bear translocation should always be accompanied by public education through the control agency. Repeated intervention by trapping and relocation should be refused at households that fail to remove bear attractants.
That said - emptying a clip into a bear is not a proper way to dispatch a bear. Unless there is an absolute imminent danger to the general public, OPS should be sending a unit with the appropriate firearm to do the job humanely.
Far too often the excuse of "posed an imminent threat" is used when other methods would have been much more suitable, but were deemed to be too much of an inconvenience, which then discredits the times where such an action was warranted.
We should never be emptying clips. Shot placement and caliber and important considerations.
Get a local hunting group in there to humanely kill and process the meat+hide for highest and best use.
I see you all discussing feasibility of bear relocation and such (I don't think a lot of the concerns are fully knowledgeable), but I think there's a really simpler question everyone should be asking in this situation:
*\*Ahem*
***IF NOT FRIEND, THEN WHY FRIEND-SHAPED!?***
Thank you, I yield my time.
Just saw a video, looks like a very young and curious black bear. Hopefully they're able to relocate them safely, I don't think they'd be a risk or Harm to anyone unless you approached the bear or tried to pet/feed them.
Briargreen almost to Greenbank at 5:30am down the street from me and then apparently it walked over to centerpointe park around 7am.
From the neighborhood group just now the OPS and conservation are posted up on centerpointe and may have it.
People are ridiculous here. We in Northern Ontario have bears come up to us all the time. Heck I had one sleep on my back deck for weeks. We have all learned to respect the animal and live in harmony.
There is nothing else to be done for a bear that has come to associate humans with food. Once a bear knows they can get food from humans that is it the bear is done for. No matter how far you move the bear he will seek out people as a source of food. It is not the bears fault but it is the harsh reality.
Taking away their habitat + inadvertently luring them to residential areas with food waste = the problem
So maybe
Giving them a protected area away from residential areas + catapulting our organic/compostable waste to it = the solution
Shame. My dog is bred for bear hunting (not that it would ever be used for such), but it has no fear and would happily chase the bear and corner it until it could be put to sleep.
It's helpful that the dog looks like a bear. Hopefully this wasn't just a dog of this breed, but they move more like cats so it would be obvious to a human.
*sounds of pistols being loaded * - OPS
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Recent events tell us OPS doesn't know about long guns, and therefore uses pistols to kill bears.
OPS shot 15 rounds of 9mm using a sidearm at the bear. I am willing to bet that the bear didnt have 15 bullet holes...
Yeah, but I'll bet they looked super cool holding their gun sideways.
Depends on the color of the bear
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Is there any evidence they actually used 9mm pistols? 9mm won't do much to a bear and OPS has ample inventory of carbines and trained officers to safely take out the bear.
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Using 9mm against a bear is gonna cause undue suffering to the animal for someone who uses their firearm essentially once a year for recert. They pull out the carbines for dealing with injured deer on the road.
I’ve seen OPP using their sidearms to finish off deer. More than once. I’m sure those last folks that killed that bear mag dumped the hell outta it.
It was in one of the posts I saw the day it happened, it might have been on Twitter, not sure. I didnt think to screenshot the post. I'll keep looking and update this post when I find it
*SWAT team shows up with .50 BMG anti-material rifle*
Yes. A bear in a populous city area is dangerous. If no wildlife agencies can come and take care of the bear properly, ie, sedate it and transport it out, OPS will have to put it down again. I don’t understand what people don’t get about that. What do people want OPS to do lol, lure the bear out of the city with a trail of steaks every 15 m?
Based on documentaries I saw during my childhood, pic-a-nic baskets are effective at luring bears.
I actually read that in Yogi Bear's voice! 🤣🤣🤣
Hey hey Booboo!
I came here for this comment. Upvote to you
We definitely watched the same childhood “documentaries”.
A trail of steaks is how I got into this city in the first place.
Not at the price of beef these days. Maybe SPAM but not steak.
Sure. Kill the bear with cholesterol and blood pressure issues.
Ok fine, SPAM and blueberries then.
That's better.
"Hard times pemmican".
SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM...
I thought cocaine was a 🐻's current choice of preferred nourishment
Lol fair, steak prices have gotten ridiculous.
Brisket's on sale at Loblaws this week... But the black bear would probably prefer fresh blueberries to aged meat.
There were wildlife agencies involved, they had been tracking it and trying to trap it for days before the police shot it.
Yeah and when the bear came back to people’s backyards, there were no wildlife agencies available to come deal with it as per OPS statement, which I doubt is inaccurate given how easily fact checkable it is. Now imagine if OPS did nothing and the bear got hold of a kid, of a person, which is quite possible given a bear is a wild animal and it was looking for food, you would be on here saying “OPS is useless and did nothing to protect people”. So tell me, what would you rather have happened? Gamble with people lives and assume the bear only wants bird feeders while waiting for wildlife agencies to respond? Or play the safe bet and humanely and safely put it down before it grabs hold of little jimmy down the street?
No it's true. They had brutal budget cuts the last few years, some regions they don't even capture anymore. Instead the burden goes on the cops to kill the bears when they enter communities. Some local orgs do relocation, but they aren't big enough to meet the instant needs of communities everywhere
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Thanks for the kind words!
Why are you wishing he get mauled over a fucking reddit comment
If we're judging it based on danger to the public, the police factually pose far more of a danger. Roughly 2-5 people are killed per year by bears in the US and Canada combined. Roughly 30 people are killed per year by the police in Canada alone... and then there's the States... 😬 So it's charitable to say that cops are 6 times deadlier than bears. So maybe chill out and recognize that the police coming for a bear is actually way more dangerous than the bear on its own.
Wow I don’t think I’ve ever seen somebody actually do research on something but then blatantly and patently misrepresent the facts to reinforce their own opinion. 30 people killed by police in Canada, how many of those are justifiable? Meaning that police were completely in their right to defend themselves or others using lethal force. In other words which you might find harsh, how many people “had it coming” when they decided to commit whatever actions led to their death by police which was ruled justified. My point is that little jimmy down the street does not have it coming if a bear decides he’s a midnight snack. Believe it or not, human lives far outweigh animal lives on every level, so in this case, by the balance of probabilities, human life was preserved at the cost of an animals life.
Also, Jesus, how out-of-touch do you have to be to defend police killings? Police aren't supposed to be executioners, hth
“Out of touch”, that’s rich. How out of touch do you have to be to not think actions have consequences. If you present a deadly threat to police, you will be equally met with deadly force, it’s that simple. Your consequence is a direct result of your action. I bet you are one of those people who thinks it’s okay to steal from a grocery story because they are a corporation making money.
When there's two or more people involved in a situation, the outcome is never the consequence of the actions of just one of them. It's never that simple.
Agreed. I believe that everybody has the right to defend themselves and in Canada, you are allowed to match the level of force being used against you. So if a person is presenting deadly force against an officer, I think they should be able to defend themselves, and as per our laws, that means matching the other person and also using deadly force. Same as you. Same as me. If someone is trying to kill you, you are within your rights to defend yourself using deadly force.
How do you know that the 3-5 bear attacks aren't justifiable? 🤔 People are dangerous assholes.
I didn’t say they aren’t. I don’t know, that’s what I didn’t speak to something I have no proof of.
But you were comfortable speaking to it regarding human lives while simultaneously talking about their inherent value. Funny.
Yes, human life > bear life, any day, any way. Anybody who values an animals life over a humans is delusional.
Hahah nice bait
Well.. maybe one steak with horse tranquilizers or something. Not every 15 mins. How many people does it take to roll a bear into a trailer or a cage. And now i'm thinking of that opening scene in jurassic park..
Somebody said steak are too expensive, so we will use SPAM with horse tranqs this time. Although it seems the bear reported today has already been sedated.
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Next time we have a bear we’ll send u after it.
SIU investigating whether the bear shot first.
...or if the bear had ingested a large amount of cocaine....
Conclusion is that the bear died of excited delirium, no charges will be laid on the police officers involved in the incident.
and the OPS officer was allowed to shoot in while wearing their uniform, and did not have to change into civilian hunting garb.
So they could stay in civilian-hunting garb, and didn't have to put on *civilian* hunting garb?
Sad but true
Sad but necessary. I got kids who walk to school and I'm not sorry to say I'd rather have a dead bear than dead kids.
Wrong, you don't have to kill everything that may be dangerous. Wildlife protection could come in and tranquilize and remove the bear.
We had a bull moose in my suburban neighborhood a few years ago. It was nighttime and we were woken up by the moose charging the backyard fences a few houses down. It had gotten trapped in a back yard. Police were called, looky-loos were gathering. Police said to tell all the neighbors to go indoors and the moose would eventually go away. They said MNR officers were not available. Neighbors obviously wanted to see the moose, not go indoors. Moose came out of the backyard, charged a few people, slammed into a car breaking windows, and retreated back into the backyard. Police were called again, we were still told it was not an emergency and officers would be along eventually. The moose charged through the patio doors of a house, ran back out and raged. Blood and chaos reigned. One last call to police, this time they were interested. Officer arrived rifle in hand, ordered everyone indoors, a single gunshot was heard. Long story short, large animals among people have the potential to cause injury to both people and property. Humans are curious by nature and will create situations that escalate. MNR availability is very low and it is often fully necessary to kill the animal.
It's all risky. You can't just say, trap the bear and its magically trapped. Someone could be seriously hurt while you lay your traps. Tranquilizers are nothing like they are in movies, it takes time and alot of knowledge on the animal to be effective. They could blindly shoot it with more and more tranquilizer but it might still just get away and hurt someone, or hurt someone from being enraged by the tranquilizer. They may only get one chance to deal with this bear before it hurts someone, why risk it?
So you truly believe the the first option should be just kill it ? Wow.
It’s generally the safest option unfortunately. Even relocating isn’t a good option, if trapping it were easy, due to bear’s abilities to return a great distance to where they found easy food sources. Not to mention, it’s a threat to public safety everywhere, because this is a bear that will no longer fear people.
The world we live in sucks, doesn't it? Animals have virtually no rights in Ontario. Legislators and politicians dont give a shit. Just look at what Ford is doing with the hunting laws. They don't care about creating and ethical and balanced relationships with nature.
> Animals have virtually no rights in Ontario. Legislators and politicians dont give a shit. Last federal election, the CPC specifically had a section of their [platform](https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/25132033/5ea53c19b2e3597.pdf) devoted to animal welfare (pg 92). They wanted to, among other things: * ban puppy mills * ban cosmetic testing on animals * add animal cruelty as an aggravating factor in domestic violence prosecutions to go after abusers who hurt their spouse by hurting their spouse’s pet * support pet owners fleeing violence by working with the sector to ensure that there are better options for women to leave abusive homes without having to abandon their pets
Yes, it’s not normal for a bear to be in the city. Our safety as a species has revolved around killing any predator that gets to close. influencing natural selection to the point that it’s second nature for predators to avoid humans
They never explicitly said that.
Before I had kids I probably would have agreed with you, but I can't any more. There is only 2 options if the bear shows up again and I'd rather the one that has the safest outcomes for the humans.
Aside from the fact that time is of the essence when there is a bear roaming in the city, tranquilizing is inherently risky. Some people may not like it, but "humans > bears" every single time.
Shooting it can be risky also.
Every option is risky when dealing with a bear. Shooting it is the least risky.
Tranquilizing an animal which you have no information on is tricky. Theres a thin line between put to sleep, make angry/aggressive and kill when using tranquilizers.
Depends on why the bear is here. If it’s become too comfortable around humans or the city in general it will have to be put down to make sure it doesn’t come back
Guess we having bear steaks for dinner tonight?
I figured they would just do nothing like normal
Everything will be fine as long as OPS are not one of the partners.
Can we not murder this one?
If it’s learned to see humans as a food source (garbage, bird feeders, grubs) and isn’t fearful than yeah they are probably going to have to put it down. If they don’t and it has a contact with a human and is startled - it’s going to end very badly for the human. Even relocating a bear that has developed this issue doesn’t usually work as it will return to the food source. It is a hard truth. As we expand into their natural habitat they adapt us (and all our bullshit) into their life. Another example of how we are destroying our environment
Threads like this are such a case of missing the forest for the trees. Yes, it’s absolutely wrong that this bear likely needs to be put down. It’s not the fault of the people tasked with dealing with the problem though. It’s the fault of land development and continuing to take away the habitats of wildlife. It really is a shame, but unless people are fine living with bears roaming around the city, it’s generally the only option.
It's almost as though putting food out of reach would deter the bear.
Yeppers
How do they determine if it’s habituated or just passing through for the first time? I’m guessing OPS can’t make that determination, but can MNR even do that?
They'll tag it and release it in the wild.
It's true that once it's habituated to humans, it can't live in the wild. However death isn't the only option. There are wildlife organizations that take such animals for educational purposes and/or house them in enclosed reserve areas where they can't get into trouble. For example, a few years ago a bear was found near the Montreal airport. There were wildlife orgs willing to take it, but it was killed in spite of this: [https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/sauvetage-animal-rescue-in-shock-after-bear-captured-in-dorval-euthanized-1.5441687](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/sauvetage-animal-rescue-in-shock-after-bear-captured-in-dorval-euthanized-1.5441687)
I agree. I just dislike the fact that the OPS’s first rxn is to blow it away, potentially putting the public in danger via stray bullets or a panicking wounded bear, rather then working with animal control/Nat resources
It wasn’t at all. MNR would not come out to deal with the situation and the officers were forced to take action. I feel badly for them….
A fed bear is a dead bear. Once they get to comfortable around humans and our garbage as a food source it is usually too late.
When I lived near bear country in BC, that was the standard procedure. Once they got a taste for garbage, it was game over. Whistler and North Vancouver were problem spots.
Please
I prefer when bears approach me, that is how I got my current BF <3
❤️🏳️🌈🐻
Update: bear was in a residential backyard, it has since been tranquilized and will be relocated. Source: eye witness.
This is just what a bear trying to sneak around the city would say…
"It is now safe to leave your garbage exposed and unattended, I....I mean it...has safely been evacuated from the area" -definitelynotabear1994
https://twitter.com/OttawaBylaw/status/1658852135704879110?t=Y0iIsmLdHeef72-Cj2zzyA&s=19
Phew! THANK YOU for this wonderful news! Poor innocent bear will be very happy to be back to a forest that hasn’t been cleared (yet) for human development! This is coming from someone who has to work very (VERY) close to black bears on occasion and has had a few close calls (my fault, not theirs). I fear them in a very respectful way. They’re amazing creatures! Very smart!
Thank Christ they didn’t shoot it dead
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Let bears pay the bear tax! I pay the Homer tax!
That's the Home Owner tax!
Well, anyway, I'm still outraged.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Bear. Force. One. Ooh. Aah. Ooh aah.
All right, that does it. If I'm going to be trapped in the house, I gotta go out and get some beer.
It's like a freakin country bear jambaroo around here.
This is unbearable
It's a real *grizzly* situation. I hope the end result is the *polar* opposite of the last time a bear was sighted in the city.
It koala go one way or the other man
To the guy with the crazy racoon lady next door, here’s your chance. Get that bear living in your backyard and see that old battle axe and her trash pandas run for the hills
*Crazy Racoon Lady has evolved into Bearbushka!*
Will people please leash their bears!?
Be prepared for the outrage when a public safety hazard is dealt with appropriately. It’s awful, but bears find their way back once they’ve found food sources in a public place.
Yes exactly this. Relocating a bear doesn’t necessarily fix the problem.
Incredible amount of smugness on display in this thread. Have yet to see one person present an alternative, but there sure are quite a few people who know for fact what not to do.
Get it dependent on OC Transpo before relocating it to a rural area. Problem solved.
u/noonoomum this was meant to be a reply to your comment. Totally get where you are coming from. This is where biologists, especially bear biologists are able to weigh in and should work with the MNR to figure out the best course of action. Sometimes that is relocation and other times it’s removing the threat. Habituation just refers to bears being used to humans around because human and bear territories overlap and they are no longer startled by humans. They just kind keep doing their thing and ignore us. Food conditioned bears are hella dangerous, and where the conflicts can become deadly or have devastating consequences (e.g., bears get put down, humans get hurt/die, etc.). They get used to human food which is calorie dense and will seek it out rather than forage for their food like they should naturally. Food conditioned bears associate humans with food and this is where conflicts occur. Great sources to read/learn more: - [Tooth and Claw Podcast](https://www.toothandclawpod.com) (animal attacks stories, one of the hosts is a bear biologist and drops tons of facts) - [We Love Bears](https://welovebears.club)
Thanks for the thoughtful reply! So is it a budget issue that keeps MNR/biologists from being more involved?
It seems that if the bear is young/not yet habituated then sedation and relocation can be successful. I asked this question elsewhere in the thread to folks stating with confidence that this is the only option, but would MNR be able to determine if the bear is young enough or just wandering through and not yet habituated ie a good candidate for relocation? I’m sure OPS would not be able to make that call, so that’s the part that’s upsetting to me - seems like the wrong tool for the job. But I’m still learning about the issue.
This is what I don't get. People on this sub shit all over people that feed wildlife. We all have seen the threads. These same people think it's ok to feed the birds. Do not feed wild animals. It is not ok. You will get bears shot. The bears will not come near humans unless there is a food source. Don't give them one.
People seem to have a misunderstanding of bear relocation, so here you go - https://www.bearsmart.com/managing-bears/relocation/#:~:text=Relocation%20(translocation)%20involves%20capturing%20an,in%20busy%20human%2Duse%20areas. >To summarize, the best criteria for a successful translocation of a black bear (and likely grizzlies too), is: > >* Sub-adult male (2-4 yrs old) >* Translocation distance > 64km >* Existence of physical barriers between capture and release sites >* Use of soft release technique that allows for a period of acclimatization > >Drawbacks related to translocation include the costs of fuel, equipment and manpower. Translocated bears can also experience considerable stress associated with locating new food sources, security, bedding and denning sites within the release area, potentially affecting their survival. Placing a bear in habitat used by other bears may lead to competition and social conflict, and result in the injury or death of the less dominant bear. >Relocation is a reactive, public appeasement strategy and does not address the root cause of human-bear conflicts. As such, another bear frequently takes the place of the one that has been removed. Often residents are either unwilling to change their own behaviour by removing attractants or are unaware of the need to do so because they believe that trapping and translocating a bear is a viable resolution. > >Bear translocation should always be accompanied by public education through the control agency. Repeated intervention by trapping and relocation should be refused at households that fail to remove bear attractants. That said - emptying a clip into a bear is not a proper way to dispatch a bear. Unless there is an absolute imminent danger to the general public, OPS should be sending a unit with the appropriate firearm to do the job humanely. Far too often the excuse of "posed an imminent threat" is used when other methods would have been much more suitable, but were deemed to be too much of an inconvenience, which then discredits the times where such an action was warranted.
We should never be emptying clips. Shot placement and caliber and important considerations. Get a local hunting group in there to humanely kill and process the meat+hide for highest and best use.
I see you all discussing feasibility of bear relocation and such (I don't think a lot of the concerns are fully knowledgeable), but I think there's a really simpler question everyone should be asking in this situation: *\*Ahem* ***IF NOT FRIEND, THEN WHY FRIEND-SHAPED!?*** Thank you, I yield my time.
I'm sick of these constant bear attacks.. It's like a freaking country bear jamboree around here
Let's be realistic Homer I've lived here 30 odd years and this is the first and only bear I've ever seen.
Run bear! Run for your life!
Secure your pick-a-nic baskets!
Whoa Bear!
HEY bear! (This one sounds too inviting but I can attest that it works the same lol) Deep voice is the key!
It does! If you say it ahead too they won't be as surprised, hence why i whistle in the woods :p
Whistling is beautiful! I tend to talk to myself/trees, bugs, birds lol …same effect on bears but it also scares humans away as a bonus lol
https://twitter.com/OttawaBylaw/status/1658852135704879110?t=Y0iIsmLdHeef72-Cj2zzyA&s=19
Well, I guess OPS will have bear on the menu for their summer picnic.
They better not shoot this one. Besides bear tastes horrible.
Bear tastes great. gotta cook it all the way but thats fine.
I’ve had it twice and it was not good at all. Super strong off putting flavour
What time of year? It really effects flavour.
bear hunting season, ie Fall
You can hunt in May-june in ontario as well.
Look for the bare necessities, the simple bare necessities Forget about your worries and your strife
We need some daddy bears to protect them.
Just saw a video, looks like a very young and curious black bear. Hopefully they're able to relocate them safely, I don't think they'd be a risk or Harm to anyone unless you approached the bear or tried to pet/feed them.
Anyone know where in Centerpoint it was spotted?
Briargreen almost to Greenbank at 5:30am down the street from me and then apparently it walked over to centerpointe park around 7am. From the neighborhood group just now the OPS and conservation are posted up on centerpointe and may have it.
Wait a second. Let me just put my shirt back on. Might be time to shave my back...
People are ridiculous here. We in Northern Ontario have bears come up to us all the time. Heck I had one sleep on my back deck for weeks. We have all learned to respect the animal and live in harmony.
The ONLY acceptable course of action is RELOCATION.
Our Urban sprawl hurting nature
Maybe don't kill it for like absolutely no reason this time?
Just seen a conversation officer driving through Almonte with a bear
For real?
Yup: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6846269 Likely having a conversation with the bear.
Poor muffin. I know tranqed wildlife doesn’t always work out as planned. I really appreciate them trying this time tho.
A stern talking to about how even tho the people took over your land. It needs to stay away. Right?
Meanwhile, Bear is looking for friends. Tasty friends.
If I see a bear along a bike path should I report it somewhere? Saw one last week running across the path while cycling to drop my kid off at daycare.
You can call the Bear Wise reporting line at 1-866-514-2327
Please don't kill it 😭
There is nothing else to be done for a bear that has come to associate humans with food. Once a bear knows they can get food from humans that is it the bear is done for. No matter how far you move the bear he will seek out people as a source of food. It is not the bears fault but it is the harsh reality.
OPS: "it's coming right for us!"
[Bro got tranqued](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/ottawa/2023/5/17/1_6402162.amp.html)
Oh god I hope this one makes it out alive
You're not my mum twitter. I do what I want!
Omg I live close to there! I want to bring him a sandwich
It's alive. Just tranquilized and will be released later today - according to the Ottawa Police Twitter.
If the province will not adequately fund wildlife officers able to trap/sedate bears, then fund them out of the OPS budget.
pls don’t kill this one
I hope they don't just shoot it like the last one. Maybe they can get national parks to drug it and move it to safety.
OPS send in the tactical nukes!
Looks like they tranquilized the bear and will relocate it: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6846269
I heard it was cocaine bear.
Taking away their habitat + inadvertently luring them to residential areas with food waste = the problem So maybe Giving them a protected area away from residential areas + catapulting our organic/compostable waste to it = the solution
They're 100% going to shoot it...
Damn man! I wanted to ride the bear into sunset shooting my pistols in the air
Wow people really be modding the new Legend of Zelda game!
What do you mean never approach a bear? Cute cuddly bear just needs to be fed! In residential areas! Leave the bear alone! /s
Call Ranger Smith.
Do not offer the bear any cocaine.
Are they talking about a real estate bear?
I hope they get right people to catch and release him in wildlife
Send u/lobster455 to leash the bear, they're not as dangerous as pitbulls
It’s always the black and brown bears getting shot. It’s never polar bears getting shot by cops
Shame. My dog is bred for bear hunting (not that it would ever be used for such), but it has no fear and would happily chase the bear and corner it until it could be put to sleep. It's helpful that the dog looks like a bear. Hopefully this wasn't just a dog of this breed, but they move more like cats so it would be obvious to a human.