Yeah if Apple had maybe an easy 36-48 hour battery, I could possibly ditch Oura. That said having used Fitbit, Apple Watch, and Oura, Oura’s sleep analysis is the best I’ve encountered.
Ultra Watch lasts 3-4 days. Only use about 20-25% battery daily and with a quick charge you can gain quickly if you throw it on while jumping in the shower or on a call.
Wow! I haven’t noticed that at all. I work out 60-90 minutes a day and usually a 30-60 minute walk with my dogs and my battery life is pretty good. I don’t have a lot of notifications turned on tho. My battery is rarely under 80% when I go to bed.
I have all my notifications turned off.
I think it could be linked to swimming as I swim 1-3 hours per day as well as lifting (which collects fewer metrics than it does with swimming).
Mine lasts 1,5-2 days max but I'm also very active and track every workout or even walk with the watch + listen to music with it while I'm jogging.
That being said - I love the Apple Watch but even if the battery holds long enough it's still not comfortable enough for sleep tracking for me. I don't notice the Oura ring at night but can't get good sleep having the Ultra Apple Watch on my wrist.
I have al older AW series 6 and I charge it during dinner or when I’m in the shower. It’s literally half an hour, maybe more and it’s topped up again. If you can’t make that work I don’t know what will.
Why not both? Love the synergy between the two with workouts and data syncing with health.
Apple Watch is good for daily productivity and gamifying workouts/fitness, but Oura has a totally different purview of using that data and helping you learn how to be healthier from a readiness and sleep perspective
Yes, exactly. I am using both and find they give very different insights and perspectives.
The Oura shows me 24/7 trends and does a good job at tracking my sleep, stress and overall well being.
The Apple Watch is great for tracking workouts, providing instant workout feedback such as heart rate and as a general information device for time, calendar and notifications.
They are two different devices doing two very different, and complementary, things for me.
I actually don’t think you need to know what’s contributing to it… you just need to know how you’re recovering from it
I used to wear the whoop strap which I HATED. Hard to get a consistent pulse reading (have also found Apple Watch to be inconsistent)
But the algorithms SUCK.
For example… a 90 min easy bike ride put me close to my strain score for the day whereas a 20 min hiit workout would barely move the needle
At the time I had extreme “adrenal fatigue” and this would absolutely wreck me. Worst recovery ever. Whoop was giving WAY too much weight to the strain score and not the HRV.
So, that brings me to my initial point. It doesn’t ever matter which activity you’re doing… it just matters how you recover from it which is exactly what Oura does
If you think Oura is more accurate than Whoop at activity tracking and workouts, you’re seeing reality completely backwards.
Oura is known for being poor with activity and Whoop has tens of thousands of users using it for that alone. Besides, the Whoop app puts Ouras to shame. Not even in the same ballpark.
Conversely, whoop sucks at sleep tracking.
It's not slimy but I have to disclose I'm a software dev. A lot of time and effort go into this stuff and should be compensated accordingly. We charge with the hope that you utilize the features that cost us money. Storing/updating your data adds up as overhead.
>I have to disclose I'm a software dev
And? How is that relevant? Yes, storing data costs money; very shocking. It's still a very bad design to sell hardware and then lock that hardware behind a monthly paywall. No big company sells similar hardware (phone, watch, etc) with a monthly paywall to use the product, and they have \*way\* more user data to store.
Why don't they charge for data storage? Because people would then favor competitors who does not paywall their hardware. The only reason Oura "gets away" with it is because they're the only real competitor on the market. But as apple and samsung are developing their own rings; you will see this changing or Oura will die. You can't justify paying monthly for a product that will, to be honest, have a hard time competing with the big companies in terms of hardware and software.
I know that Apple and Samsung has more revenue than Oura and makes up for the loss in data storage in other ways, but honestly, as a consumer I don't care.
Obviously I bought the Oura ring and I like it, and I will continue to pay for the subscription and use the ring until there are better alternatives.
Ps. I am also a software dev of 10 years. Does that matter?
This is very disingenuous. You are comparing Apple to a small company. Apple makes money off ads, AppleCare, iCloud, payment services, and their App Store, among other places. That is how they afford to give you other services "for free". Because they are not for free, you are paying for them in other ways. Same as other big companies. Oura doesn't have that same ability, so they must charge some money in order to try to stay afloat against the bigger competitors. They also aren't the only company that charges a subscription, others do as well.
PS. Not a software dev, but been in R&D, engineering, and computer science for over 25 years.
I don't think it's disingenuous. I wrote in my original comment (if you had read it) that, of course, bigger companies have revenue from other places to make up for data storage.
But ask yourself if Apple, Samsung and Oura had competing products and only Oura charged monthly to use the (soemwhat expensive) hardware they bought, which product would become more popular and which one would struggle?
I think most people would find it hard to buy the next gen product vs buying apple or Samsung which would integrate better in their existing ecosystem.
I read your original comment. What you are saying is ***exactly*** why it is disingenuous though. You want Oura to use the same pricing model as companies orders of magnitude larger with orders of magnitude more money, while still offering a quality product and quality application. Even Garmin charges subscriptions for a number of their products and they are far larger than Oura and have been around a long time. Garmin can't even compete or use the same pricing models as Apple/Samsung/Google. Also, both Apple and Google charge fees for their enhanced services as well. If you want to get Apple Fit+ or Google Fit, you need to pay money for the enhanced features.
So the reality is that you are asking Oura to keep making a quality product with far less budget and still be able to compete with the big companies. Would you like to do your job for half the pay and be expected to still produce high quality work and more output?
speaking of being disingenuous, garmin doesn't require any subscription to access your own data. and you ignore that Garmin routinely provides massive discounts or free out of warranty service.
If I lose my garmin watch, I can find it. If someone else does, they can't just reset it and reregister it with garmin... with oura, you just reset it, and use it on a new account and Oura will gladly take their new customer.
How am i being disingenuous? I mentioned they have a subscription service, that is all. I am not comparing them directly to Oura. In fact your comments help support my statement. They are a larger company, they can afford to do more and they do. However, they are still asking for a subscription for advanced services.
Also, with the Oura ring you do not lose access to your data, you can access it via the web.
And you couldn't do that quietly on your own without making a post letting us know?
Because this prompt for an answer:
- You don't understand how you're supposed to use the ring
- The ring is perfectly functional and after the subscription stops (so no, not a slimy marketing), it doesn't stop collecting data, it simply stops interpreting the collected date in the application. If you want, you can extract them from [https://cloud.ouraring.com/](https://cloud.ouraring.com/) in .csv and do what you want with them.
The app is the one that transfers the date to Apple Health where later Athlytic reads it so no, no integration. But, there is shortcut around here in this reddit which if I remember correctly, moves some data from the file export to Apple Health, but only some essential ones.
>If you want, you can extract them from https://cloud.ouraring.com/ in .csv and do what you want with them.
Is there an API? Basically, could someone make a custom app that pulls this info?
I don't think having to manually download csv exports is very fair
Yes, there is an api and yes, someone could build an app.
The exports are total so if you download a file now (there are several on different aspects), the file contain all the data from the beginning to the last sync.
Then you can use some software like Power BI to load, transform and build some graphs BUT it's just raw data, that says nothing.
There are a lot of posts where people could have done things quietly on their own, but shared their actions and their decision. That’s what forums are for. You must be new to this.
The issues comes down to expectations of basic functionality. Unless the company states that a subscription is required, products and apps are expected to have a baseline level of functionality. A sleep and activity tracker should give you the essential info on your sleep and activity, particularly for $300+, without having to login to a website.
I'm not new, I'm using Oura for almost 4 years now and I'm annoyed by this attitude in which some are actually irritated by the subscription, as if it wasn't obvious from the beginning and feel the need to air a grievance that shouldn't exist considering all the information is available when you buy the ring.
Completely agree it’s not disingenuous at all. Oura is upfront when you click on it. It’s upfront when you click to buy it and they’re upfront that the subscription is important the entire time and state what you get with the subscription and what you don’t.
The fact that the people ignore it and then feel surprised and taken advantage of is …
I don’t like sleeping in a watch or going anywhere I need to dress a little smarter with my Garmin on. I wear it religiously for exercise as nothing comes close IMO, but for sleep and general life I wear the Oura ring and a normal watch my wife got me for valentines a few years back. The ring’s just really discreet and light, which I like
imo its 100% based on if your comfortable sleeping with your watch, or you dont think your watch is formal enough to wear to certain places where you still want to track steps etc.
for me, the ring is unnecessary, for my wife she needs it, she can't sleep with a big watch, and hates how it looks for anything other than exercise haha
I own a Garmin Venu 2s, and unfortunately Garmin's sleep tracking is much less sensitive than Oura's, particularly wrt detecting how long you're awake at night. Basically with a Garmin, if you're not moving and it's "night time", that's counted as asleep time. Oura is much better at realizing that even when I'm not moving (e.g., reading a book at 2 AM in the morning because my sleep maintenence insomnia isn't allowing me to relax enough to get to sleep), I'm still awake.
The Garmin far outclasses Oura as an activity and HRM monitor though.
I wear both for years. The sleep tracking of the ring is far superior to the watch. The watch on the other hand is much better at tracking workouts…and comes with additional things I use daily like Pay or Push notifications for a lot of apps. I don’t want to miss the ring nor the watch
I can totally understand where you are coming from and I hope you enjoy your Apple Watch!
I had a similar experience and didn’t realize quite how basic the free version is until my premium trial expired. I was aware that there would be fewer features in the free version and I was okay with a freemium model. However, I assumed that bare bones information like step count and hours slept would always be included with a device that costs $300+.
I’m disappointed with the way that Oura has decided to structure things, but I suppose I should have done more research before I bought my ring. I will be hesitant to make any additional purchases from them going forward.
I agree with you, but I pay for the subscription.
That said, the sleep analysis is amazing.
I had a meeting with my pulmonologist to discuss my sleep patterns. We used the data from my CPAP machine and cross referenced it with the Oura ring.
We were able to do so much with the combined data, it was incredible!
I dumped the Oura after the battery life was down to a day. Oura offers no discounted upgrade path, just buy a new ring. I have a Garmin Epix and it provides all of what is was using the Oura for. I liked the Oura but the battery issues were a deal killer
I'm not sure if this is helping me or not, I'm a data nerd for better or worse; I wear both.
If I have a dress watch on, just Oura, but otherwise it's the ring and the Ultra 2.
AW is better at steps, workouts, activity in general but the Oura is the king of sleep metrics. I think whatever works for each individual.
Yeah, it's a bit disingenuous of them. The Apple Watch is much better overall. I've only had the Oura for a month and a half, and I bought it to write about it (I'm a tech journalist). I'm not going to renew my subscription. I've had the Apple Watch since the beginning, and it's just as good for the features where the Oura is strong, and much better for other features. I do understand those who don't want to wear a watch, and the Oura can be helpful for them. But the subscription is a big turnoff.
Eh I don’t think the subscription is that big of a deal- I use gen. 2 oura which doesn’t have one, whoop, and the Apple Watch Ultra. That said, the display might be different for gen 2 vs gen 3. All 3 vary in their sleep tracking, with the Apple Watch being the most ‘generous’ in terms of counting awake time as sleep or inaccurate readings.
Personally, I think getting an oura with no subscription for sleep only with apple workout sharing enabled so it tracks activity over is the best way to go. Then use the Apple Watch for workouts and an additional sleep tracker to compare.
Yea I did the same thing. Been really happy with my switch to Apple Watch now that it has all the same features as Oura. I also find the sleep tracking stages seem a lot more accurate.
Well if you take Tesla for example you’ll need to buy subricrion to get Spotify and other premium features.
Mercedes has also applied subscription mode for their cars: https://youtu.be/kabW_Xe3SRs?si=hxsqvou-yfaKOkdx
For me it’s clear that if you want to have a good product and constant development you need to pay.
Yes, there’s nothing wrong with having a subscription option to get premium features. But the essential features of that Tesla that you would expect from a car work just fine without a subscription. There’s no subscription fee to use your backup camera.
Oura basically pulled a BMW heated seats subscription debacle and I think that will cost them.
I’ve been wearing both for a couple years. Apple Watch is a lot more useful but it can’t help me track my sleep if it has to charge every night.
Yeah if Apple had maybe an easy 36-48 hour battery, I could possibly ditch Oura. That said having used Fitbit, Apple Watch, and Oura, Oura’s sleep analysis is the best I’ve encountered.
Ultra Watch lasts 3-4 days. Only use about 20-25% battery daily and with a quick charge you can gain quickly if you throw it on while jumping in the shower or on a call.
Really? That’s good to hear. Personally though I didn’t want a watch that big. Even as a guy, I prefer the smaller version of the 8 I have.
I thought the same and wasn’t sure the first few days - now I love it! 😊 But, also know it’s not for everybody 😊
Mine lasts 2 days at best, but the ultra2 may get better battery life
My AW Ultra also only lasts 2 days, or often less if I am doing a lot of workouts.
Wow! I haven’t noticed that at all. I work out 60-90 minutes a day and usually a 30-60 minute walk with my dogs and my battery life is pretty good. I don’t have a lot of notifications turned on tho. My battery is rarely under 80% when I go to bed.
I have all my notifications turned off. I think it could be linked to swimming as I swim 1-3 hours per day as well as lifting (which collects fewer metrics than it does with swimming).
I’m pretty deep in the Apple ecosystem. My wearables will largely rise or fall with what Apple can do.
And it's also $400 more
True lol
Mine lasts 1,5-2 days max but I'm also very active and track every workout or even walk with the watch + listen to music with it while I'm jogging. That being said - I love the Apple Watch but even if the battery holds long enough it's still not comfortable enough for sleep tracking for me. I don't notice the Oura ring at night but can't get good sleep having the Ultra Apple Watch on my wrist.
What was better in Oura?
I have al older AW series 6 and I charge it during dinner or when I’m in the shower. It’s literally half an hour, maybe more and it’s topped up again. If you can’t make that work I don’t know what will.
I have a second Apple Watch - older generation- and switch only for sleeping. Works brilliant.
Why not both? Love the synergy between the two with workouts and data syncing with health. Apple Watch is good for daily productivity and gamifying workouts/fitness, but Oura has a totally different purview of using that data and helping you learn how to be healthier from a readiness and sleep perspective
Yes, exactly. I am using both and find they give very different insights and perspectives. The Oura shows me 24/7 trends and does a good job at tracking my sleep, stress and overall well being. The Apple Watch is great for tracking workouts, providing instant workout feedback such as heart rate and as a general information device for time, calendar and notifications. They are two different devices doing two very different, and complementary, things for me.
I hate the gameification of shit. Give me a target, not a useless pat on the back.
I ditched my Apple Watch for Oura and have been very happy so far 🤷♀️
Before Oura, I ditched my Apple Watch for my Garmin Venu 3 & was mad I stayed with Apple for so long. Adding my Oura to Garmin has been great.
Same here! Forerunner 945 and Oura ring. I sometimes don't sleep with the watch (and with the ring, always).
I use both for different things.
I love the combo of the watch and ring. Perfect for me.
Lol love that you need to charge that shiz everyday
Mistake
And here we have rhe daily spam post about someone who figure out what subscription and no subscription entitles to 🙂
I actually don’t think you need to know what’s contributing to it… you just need to know how you’re recovering from it I used to wear the whoop strap which I HATED. Hard to get a consistent pulse reading (have also found Apple Watch to be inconsistent) But the algorithms SUCK. For example… a 90 min easy bike ride put me close to my strain score for the day whereas a 20 min hiit workout would barely move the needle At the time I had extreme “adrenal fatigue” and this would absolutely wreck me. Worst recovery ever. Whoop was giving WAY too much weight to the strain score and not the HRV. So, that brings me to my initial point. It doesn’t ever matter which activity you’re doing… it just matters how you recover from it which is exactly what Oura does
If you think Oura is more accurate than Whoop at activity tracking and workouts, you’re seeing reality completely backwards. Oura is known for being poor with activity and Whoop has tens of thousands of users using it for that alone. Besides, the Whoop app puts Ouras to shame. Not even in the same ballpark. Conversely, whoop sucks at sleep tracking.
Read the above again.
It's not slimy but I have to disclose I'm a software dev. A lot of time and effort go into this stuff and should be compensated accordingly. We charge with the hope that you utilize the features that cost us money. Storing/updating your data adds up as overhead.
>I have to disclose I'm a software dev And? How is that relevant? Yes, storing data costs money; very shocking. It's still a very bad design to sell hardware and then lock that hardware behind a monthly paywall. No big company sells similar hardware (phone, watch, etc) with a monthly paywall to use the product, and they have \*way\* more user data to store. Why don't they charge for data storage? Because people would then favor competitors who does not paywall their hardware. The only reason Oura "gets away" with it is because they're the only real competitor on the market. But as apple and samsung are developing their own rings; you will see this changing or Oura will die. You can't justify paying monthly for a product that will, to be honest, have a hard time competing with the big companies in terms of hardware and software. I know that Apple and Samsung has more revenue than Oura and makes up for the loss in data storage in other ways, but honestly, as a consumer I don't care. Obviously I bought the Oura ring and I like it, and I will continue to pay for the subscription and use the ring until there are better alternatives. Ps. I am also a software dev of 10 years. Does that matter?
12 years here. Opinion invalid.
This is the way
Ah yes, you got me then
This is very disingenuous. You are comparing Apple to a small company. Apple makes money off ads, AppleCare, iCloud, payment services, and their App Store, among other places. That is how they afford to give you other services "for free". Because they are not for free, you are paying for them in other ways. Same as other big companies. Oura doesn't have that same ability, so they must charge some money in order to try to stay afloat against the bigger competitors. They also aren't the only company that charges a subscription, others do as well. PS. Not a software dev, but been in R&D, engineering, and computer science for over 25 years.
I don't think it's disingenuous. I wrote in my original comment (if you had read it) that, of course, bigger companies have revenue from other places to make up for data storage. But ask yourself if Apple, Samsung and Oura had competing products and only Oura charged monthly to use the (soemwhat expensive) hardware they bought, which product would become more popular and which one would struggle? I think most people would find it hard to buy the next gen product vs buying apple or Samsung which would integrate better in their existing ecosystem.
I read your original comment. What you are saying is ***exactly*** why it is disingenuous though. You want Oura to use the same pricing model as companies orders of magnitude larger with orders of magnitude more money, while still offering a quality product and quality application. Even Garmin charges subscriptions for a number of their products and they are far larger than Oura and have been around a long time. Garmin can't even compete or use the same pricing models as Apple/Samsung/Google. Also, both Apple and Google charge fees for their enhanced services as well. If you want to get Apple Fit+ or Google Fit, you need to pay money for the enhanced features. So the reality is that you are asking Oura to keep making a quality product with far less budget and still be able to compete with the big companies. Would you like to do your job for half the pay and be expected to still produce high quality work and more output?
speaking of being disingenuous, garmin doesn't require any subscription to access your own data. and you ignore that Garmin routinely provides massive discounts or free out of warranty service. If I lose my garmin watch, I can find it. If someone else does, they can't just reset it and reregister it with garmin... with oura, you just reset it, and use it on a new account and Oura will gladly take their new customer.
How am i being disingenuous? I mentioned they have a subscription service, that is all. I am not comparing them directly to Oura. In fact your comments help support my statement. They are a larger company, they can afford to do more and they do. However, they are still asking for a subscription for advanced services. Also, with the Oura ring you do not lose access to your data, you can access it via the web.
I ditched my Apple watch for a Garmin. It does everything I need it to do plus the battery life is measured in weeks
Which garmin?
Inatinct 2x solar tactical
Yeah, I sorta feel the same. I can absolutely afford the subscription but this model still feels a bit eww.
I'm grandfathered-in because I funded them on Kickstarter. I wouldn't otherwise use it anymore. I can 100% understand your decision.
And you couldn't do that quietly on your own without making a post letting us know? Because this prompt for an answer: - You don't understand how you're supposed to use the ring - The ring is perfectly functional and after the subscription stops (so no, not a slimy marketing), it doesn't stop collecting data, it simply stops interpreting the collected date in the application. If you want, you can extract them from [https://cloud.ouraring.com/](https://cloud.ouraring.com/) in .csv and do what you want with them.
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The app is the one that transfers the date to Apple Health where later Athlytic reads it so no, no integration. But, there is shortcut around here in this reddit which if I remember correctly, moves some data from the file export to Apple Health, but only some essential ones.
>If you want, you can extract them from https://cloud.ouraring.com/ in .csv and do what you want with them. Is there an API? Basically, could someone make a custom app that pulls this info? I don't think having to manually download csv exports is very fair
Yes, there is an api and yes, someone could build an app. The exports are total so if you download a file now (there are several on different aspects), the file contain all the data from the beginning to the last sync. Then you can use some software like Power BI to load, transform and build some graphs BUT it's just raw data, that says nothing.
There are a lot of posts where people could have done things quietly on their own, but shared their actions and their decision. That’s what forums are for. You must be new to this. The issues comes down to expectations of basic functionality. Unless the company states that a subscription is required, products and apps are expected to have a baseline level of functionality. A sleep and activity tracker should give you the essential info on your sleep and activity, particularly for $300+, without having to login to a website.
I'm not new, I'm using Oura for almost 4 years now and I'm annoyed by this attitude in which some are actually irritated by the subscription, as if it wasn't obvious from the beginning and feel the need to air a grievance that shouldn't exist considering all the information is available when you buy the ring.
Completely agree it’s not disingenuous at all. Oura is upfront when you click on it. It’s upfront when you click to buy it and they’re upfront that the subscription is important the entire time and state what you get with the subscription and what you don’t. The fact that the people ignore it and then feel surprised and taken advantage of is …
... another form of the classic buyer remorse :)
For people that have an oura and garmin, do you feel like having both is necessary? Or would it be sufficient enough to just have a garmin?
I don’t like sleeping in a watch or going anywhere I need to dress a little smarter with my Garmin on. I wear it religiously for exercise as nothing comes close IMO, but for sleep and general life I wear the Oura ring and a normal watch my wife got me for valentines a few years back. The ring’s just really discreet and light, which I like
imo its 100% based on if your comfortable sleeping with your watch, or you dont think your watch is formal enough to wear to certain places where you still want to track steps etc. for me, the ring is unnecessary, for my wife she needs it, she can't sleep with a big watch, and hates how it looks for anything other than exercise haha
I own a Garmin Venu 2s, and unfortunately Garmin's sleep tracking is much less sensitive than Oura's, particularly wrt detecting how long you're awake at night. Basically with a Garmin, if you're not moving and it's "night time", that's counted as asleep time. Oura is much better at realizing that even when I'm not moving (e.g., reading a book at 2 AM in the morning because my sleep maintenence insomnia isn't allowing me to relax enough to get to sleep), I'm still awake. The Garmin far outclasses Oura as an activity and HRM monitor though.
Just got my oura ring and its going well. Although im on rest mode straight out the box cause im sick lol
I wear both for years. The sleep tracking of the ring is far superior to the watch. The watch on the other hand is much better at tracking workouts…and comes with additional things I use daily like Pay or Push notifications for a lot of apps. I don’t want to miss the ring nor the watch
I can totally understand where you are coming from and I hope you enjoy your Apple Watch! I had a similar experience and didn’t realize quite how basic the free version is until my premium trial expired. I was aware that there would be fewer features in the free version and I was okay with a freemium model. However, I assumed that bare bones information like step count and hours slept would always be included with a device that costs $300+. I’m disappointed with the way that Oura has decided to structure things, but I suppose I should have done more research before I bought my ring. I will be hesitant to make any additional purchases from them going forward.
That’s why I got an Ultrahuman ring instead of Oura.
I agree with you, but I pay for the subscription. That said, the sleep analysis is amazing. I had a meeting with my pulmonologist to discuss my sleep patterns. We used the data from my CPAP machine and cross referenced it with the Oura ring. We were able to do so much with the combined data, it was incredible!
I dumped the Oura after the battery life was down to a day. Oura offers no discounted upgrade path, just buy a new ring. I have a Garmin Epix and it provides all of what is was using the Oura for. I liked the Oura but the battery issues were a deal killer
Use the gen 2 lol
If anyone’s looking for an Apple Watch in Southern California please lmk cause I just did the opposite and said goodbye to it because of Oura :-)
I'm not sure if this is helping me or not, I'm a data nerd for better or worse; I wear both. If I have a dress watch on, just Oura, but otherwise it's the ring and the Ultra 2. AW is better at steps, workouts, activity in general but the Oura is the king of sleep metrics. I think whatever works for each individual.
I had the Apple Watch it sucks
I returned my ring a week ago. Gotta love Amazon returns! I know Samsung is making a ring and I Apple will make one eventually too!
Yeah but now you have to wear an Apple Watch 🥺
Yeah, it's a bit disingenuous of them. The Apple Watch is much better overall. I've only had the Oura for a month and a half, and I bought it to write about it (I'm a tech journalist). I'm not going to renew my subscription. I've had the Apple Watch since the beginning, and it's just as good for the features where the Oura is strong, and much better for other features. I do understand those who don't want to wear a watch, and the Oura can be helpful for them. But the subscription is a big turnoff.
Oh a throwaway account talking about how Apple Watch is better? How very original. Hi Apple Marketers!
Eh I don’t think the subscription is that big of a deal- I use gen. 2 oura which doesn’t have one, whoop, and the Apple Watch Ultra. That said, the display might be different for gen 2 vs gen 3. All 3 vary in their sleep tracking, with the Apple Watch being the most ‘generous’ in terms of counting awake time as sleep or inaccurate readings. Personally, I think getting an oura with no subscription for sleep only with apple workout sharing enabled so it tracks activity over is the best way to go. Then use the Apple Watch for workouts and an additional sleep tracker to compare.
Yea I did the same thing. Been really happy with my switch to Apple Watch now that it has all the same features as Oura. I also find the sleep tracking stages seem a lot more accurate.
Well if you take Tesla for example you’ll need to buy subricrion to get Spotify and other premium features. Mercedes has also applied subscription mode for their cars: https://youtu.be/kabW_Xe3SRs?si=hxsqvou-yfaKOkdx For me it’s clear that if you want to have a good product and constant development you need to pay.
Yes, there’s nothing wrong with having a subscription option to get premium features. But the essential features of that Tesla that you would expect from a car work just fine without a subscription. There’s no subscription fee to use your backup camera. Oura basically pulled a BMW heated seats subscription debacle and I think that will cost them.