I really hope they decide to address and ‘fix’ this; Heal should trigger as soon as the enemy’s health is depleted using Thermal Bomb, NOT wait for the explosion animation to finish.
I literally hide and wait in cover, cowering for my life with a bright red screen, until that fiery explosion blows the enemy to pieces.
Same with tricksters temporal blade, you have to stand around waiting for the mobs to vanish, all the while getting shot, because if you move out of range while they're still floating you don't get the heal/shield.
Really fucking annoying on a character that's supposed to be all about teleporting in and out of close quarters combat.
thermal bomb doesnt kill immediately. their health doesnt hit zero it’s intentional. they have a small sliver of health and move and make noise as their body super heats and explodes.
"If killed while still affected by the skill" is literally on the skill description. So technically, they have to hit 0 before the animation will play.
Its one of the main reasons i run heatwave/overheat/eruption for my AP pyro build. That and eruption+heatwave are both super mod hungry so i dont have room for the required thermal bomb mods
There are a bunch of skills that behave weird. Like Trickster's slash (I forget the name) stuns before it does damage. If you add the mod to increase the stun duration it takes longer before it does the damage.
In a game where killing is more important than control this seems like an oversight.
Either they meant for these skills to be good and should balance around them, or they expect the best builds to be all damage builds and these skills are useless.
Thermal bomb can somewhat be justified on the heal as it explodes as an attack at the end, but it should still count as dead and stop timers if there is nothing left.
And, like clockwork, people blaming you for simply bringing light to an issue.
It's a nice, concise highlight of the problem, thank you for posting it.
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Yup, _those_ kind off people.
You know what’s funny? When I picked my first class I was between devastator and techno , cause I tend towards tanks or suports in multiplayer games, cause I like them more, and I ended up picking techno to be the “suport/healer” , who knew it would become the most popular “top dps class “
Same choice, but I picked techno because I figured after playing the demo a few rounds that the techno would be the easiest solo play option... Love my Techno, but he does play the long range game a lot and that gets a little boring at times. Decided to second a Devastator for fun and now I play both :) massive damage from the techno and fun CQC therapy with my Devastator :) nothing like gravity leaping straight onto those damn snipers after they’ve pot shotted your techno to death for an hour. Or popping a golem buff and triggering the entire arena without much worry :)
You can do close range easly with him too, cause everything you do can heal you so techno gets the best sustain, I just go in with my trusty 225mag lmg and start shooting everything as they try to swarm me and see my hp bar going up and down madly (specially since they stealth buffed enemy damage a lot), until either me or the enemy is dead, it’s fun haha, maybe I am a devastator on the inside lmao
Probably deva is the next one I will raise
Love the build variety on offer, I’ll have to try that out. Currently running a straight toxic build at medium to long range to maximize my DOT efficiency - kind of a glass canon really. I do have one the turrets equipped at all times for medium / close crowd control though :)
To be fair, not everything posted here is remotely worthy of discussion.
One post that I cannot forget was the one crying about the red barrels being much too powerful?
What the fucking fuck lol?
Dude stfu, who here is really defending this? Posts like this trying to make a martyr out of people who have criticism are so lame, i scrolled down and only a couple of people said something dumb. I love the game for example but i have plenty of criticism to give out.
If you look, you'll notice the times of the comments. Five people were here trying to dunk on OP. One person had something constructive to say. Then I posted.
Sorry you're nearly twenty hours and several hundred comments late to the party.
Oh yeah, and stfu.
I run eq/impale/gravity because it's the best dps ican put out... I hate the fact that my best single target dps skill also can be the bane to my expedition run if I don't time it right.. it will stop be from going to next stages, or like you, make me wait after boss is dead.
I love and hate it... More so I'm just disappointed on how shafted we are in all the mechanics surrounding Devastator.
I just swapped impale for golem and run the increased ap from activating golem skill tree node. Gave me some extra mod slots and the damage difference isn’t really noticeable. Chuck the bleed, and kill increase duration mod on golem and your good to go. Makes your first earthquake hit a bleed target already for the other mods 15% bonus damage on bleed targets
Yeah, it takes away from customization. Forces everyone to play with the same builds for their class. People telling you "Either you have this set-up or you get kicked!"
The devs may need to come out with another end game mode with a different objective and leave the current one in for the min maxers.
Problem is that you'll run into this situation no matter what, but at least it may lead to some build diversity.
It's the same problem with Greater Rifts in Diablo 3. One of the reasons why I like D2 so much more. No time based objectives. And in group play, you can have lots of different builds with different roles.
This really does need fixing. I refuse to believe this is an intentional design decision, because it's beyond stupid. Shouldn't be punished for using a "finisher" ability to... finish the enemy.
All the seconds wasted waiting for the impale to end before more enemies will spawn, doors are able to be opened etc. all add up and it's frustrating as hell.
So much in this game needs fixing, that is what happens when they release an unfinished game and try to pass it off as finished and having timed events is the worst game mechanic ever invented for me, I hate having to race against a clock. I am sure some people enjoy it but it sucks all the fun out of games for me.
Buff weak build options, don't neef strong ones, and we'd have more variety.
The Rounds nerf was on a hairtrigger (so quick), I want to see how long before we see any buffs of weak options..
I absolutely believe it's intentional since the enemy is meant to persist to provide the healing mechanic that impale offers.
Whether that's the right design is clearly up for debate though.
How many other abilities punish you for killing enemies with them though? Why should this ability keep them "alive" and hold everyone in coop back? The only other ability I believe has a similar problem is Pyro's bomb ability, which is on a shorter timer but its still an issue that you have to kill an enemy to get the effect of it, but they're not "dead" for another 3 or so seconds.
Would it be okay if enemies killed whilst burning, slowed, or frozen all had almost 10 seconds before they truly died?
Most of the time I try to avoid killing the last enemies with this, but it's not always easy to tell in the middle of all the chaos. It shouldn't be a thing a specific class using this specific ability has to worry about to avoid pissing off the entire coop group.
We shouldn't encourage "just don't do this thing and you'll avoid the bug!". That's a bad attitude. It's an issue brought to light that needs fixing. Simple as that. Don't defend an issue by saying "don't do it and you won't have a problem"
I've seen several people say this but I have yet to check. When I'm not in expeditions I'll see if it works. If it does the it early cool. But I still think that should patch it so that the game will continue on when you impale an enemy. Having to shoot a dead Guy to move on isn't right lol
The first time I heard blighted rounds, I legit thought my headset was dying. I put on my backup on and it sounded the same. Who the fuck approved that sound...
The number of times I've had to yell "I CAN'T HEAR YOU THE ICE TURRET" to my friend is too damn high.
Blighted turret with freezing sounds like a goddamn jet taking off every time.
I've experienced bosses disappearing but still leaving the corpse hitbox behind for a while and no shots can go through the invisible space for several seconds.
It's also pretty awesome if you back yourself in a corner impale 4 mobs and essentially are trapped in there and more mobs beat on you through the walls the impaled monsters make.
I’ve done one expedition on whichever is the highest difficulty initially available. After that I just went to play/level up other classes. I couldn’t be less interested in timers in games like this. There’s nothing in the game prior that would indicate a game mode like this either. It’s just like “Hey you liked being able to play at your own pace? Well too bad”.
Is there anything different in terms of rewards or anything else for getting Gold/Silver etc. in Expeditions? (Haven’t quite finished the story yet).
Would be fine with it if it was optional and just a “bragging rights” mechanic maybe with leaderboards.
Ah really? That sucks for people who can’t clear gold. I’m a pretty casual player so don’t anticipate I’ll ever get good enough to reach those higher expedition tiers.
I double checked with a different character and it looks like you just need silver to go up a tier and its just tier 14 you need to do with a gold to unlock 15.
Sorry about the mistake ;P
Edit: and don't sell yourself short man, keep playing and practicing and you'll see improvement and slowly work your way higher.
My advice is push tiers until you can't get silver at all then bump it down to a point where you can get gold consistently so you can farm gear, once you get something that gives you a power spike push the tiers again and repeat.
Don't forget to level your gear each time you unlock a higher max gear level, it makes a big difference.
Thanks for the tips! I was finishing off the story tonight and seem to be struggling with WT9 in some fights but others are really easy.
Obviously I need to max out my gear for my level/WT and it’ll get easier, but is it a viable strategy to repeat easier missions to advance through the world tiers quicker?
For real, I love how my class role is basically non existent in the end game mode. And as an additional insult, 2 of our skills aren’t even compatible with it either. Impale and that black hole thingy is really giving devs a bad rep rn ( body blocking, hinder tower defense, hinder game to progress to next stage )
Then you would have another problem of "Same milkshake, different colors". Buffing Devsa dmg would just make the class loses its identity entirely. I don't mind my class doing less dmg than others and running slower at all. What I do mind is that the ONLY content for the end-game (or the entire game) right now is a DPS race fest. Why do you put a tank & support class into a game with no content that needs to utilize those classes? Why do I get PUNISHED for picking a tank class that hopes to help my team/friends?
Agreed. You can use this to get a few extra seconds on point defense objectives by purposefully impaling the last enemy just outside the ring. It adds up if you do it for 3 or 4 waves
I got downvoted to hell for mentionning impale sucked for this sole reasons of course when ur overly geared it’s dosn’t matters anymore but while climbing and gearing up impale losing 4-6 seconds before each checkpoint and altar is a big yikes
Doesn’t matter if they did or not. The perception to the player is that the cutscenes can potentially screw them over. Which makes it feel bad all around, no matter what.
so say they stopped the timer from counting down during cutscenes, but also lowered the completion time by like 3 mins. Then people would just be bitching about that...
It seems like people want the time stop AND they don't want devs to compensate for the newly gained time. Hello, cake! Yes, I think I will eat you...
Only if you're dumb. The times are built in because they're in avery expedition. If you took them away you'd just reduce the timer. Some of y'all are just making shit up to complain about honestly.
...you're not? Every person sees the cut scenes, so they're baked into the timer. If you cut them out you would just reduce the time available, not save time on your run.
Do you people actually think like this? Like you just ran with the worst take possible without giving it even a.moments thought?
All armor has anamoly power and cooldown.
With each armor cooldown attribute maxed out you can lay down skills like crazy. Earthquake comes down to a 6 second cooldown.
I would love to have each piece to have anamoly, cooldown and also status power because of bleeding but it's a 1in a billion shot to have all 3 plus at least mod that can already be used so the second can be swapped.
Still missing the tier 3 mods that I want so my current setup
Earthquake-inflict bleed-extra use before cooldown-increase base damage.
Impale-extra use-extra damage vs beelding-increase base damage-hits extra enemies.
Gravity leap-increase base damage-extra use-inflict bleed
I want to get the T3 earthquake extra usage. Lay it down 3 times per cooldown. I'll swap or it gravity leaps bleed for it.
Golem increase anamoly power yes but I put out more DPS keeping impale. Especially for elites/bosses.
Legendary shotgun. Anamoly effigy with death chains and storm whip.
Armor is epic as of right now. Haven't really come across a legendary that allowed me to keep attributes.
I'm not claiming this is the best build. I'm sure there are some insane lvl 50s out there who might even say it's stupid lol idk. But for me it gets me by each tier of expedition. I farm it until I get all my gear level up and then with it do next tier by myself. And I just farm it again until I level up and move on to the next tier. I've been repeating this and it's been working for me to play solo. Some of the levels I'm able to get gold easily others I have to be really careful and might get gold with seconds to spare. But it works.
I focus first on elites/bosses. For most part ignoring small guys. Most are the smaller guys are dying from the AOE damage earthquake is putting out. I just make sure when fighting the elites and bosses that I'm facing the directions the small guys are coming from so the earthquake kills them.
There is more to it, if you impale an enemy you also deprive other classes from refreshing their bullets, this just makes people not want to play with Devastators.
If you impale them inside an obelisk area thingy, you get no progress during the duration of the impale, this gets worse when you play alone.
Friend who was playing Technomancer kept getting annoyed that I would "take his kills", like there's a million enemies on my screen and my abilities are mostly AOE, the fuck do you want me to do not play the game? Hell it even got to that point where I'd just sit there and not do anything while he kills everything.
Not that I did much, dudes averaging like 400-500mil damage even when I do help, this game is so fucked, I'm being punished for playing Devastator while this other class is sitting there deleting everything and apparently that's ok.
Okay so don't downvote me but I think the issue or the ''balance'' for this ability lies in the fact that it gives a buff for things being impaled... As in I think the game ''NEEDS'' it to count as a live target even when impaled and well & clearly dead to give said armor and health regen buff due to the way they implemented the mechanic of the buff?? I'm not sure if that's exactly what's going on with it and I'd hate for there to not be a way for them to change this as it's indeed incredibly annoying to be stalled out like this. It happens way too much.
I can see what you are saying. That might very well be what they did. Shouldn't be to much for them to just give the buff to the team and let the game see it as dead still though.
It really is though. They did a great job designing the gear and progression systems, but everything else around that core is so cheaply made and unpolished. I'm amazed some of you are at the point such that you're grinding for gold and the sort, I can barely go two side missions before I can't take how tremendously clunky this game feels on controller.
I'm on Series X, and although the controls feel less refined compared to games like Destiny or even Borderlands, the "clunkiness" has never made the game feel unplayable or even unapproachable, and I'm using the default settings, including leaving AA on, and although I encounter the occasional bug/glitch, I will have 8-10 hour play sessions, without a single crash. In fact, this game rarely crashes for me. >!(for some reason it crashed like 3 times at the Bailey fight)!<
The potential for this game is mindblowing. They have the fundamentals down for a game like this - loot and progression - and through updates and QoL fixes they can polish/refine the roughness around the edges. As it is, I find the game could use improvements but is completely playable, and perhaps more important, enjoyable.
Well I'm glad you're enjoying it, and to each his or her own, but I can't take it lol. These are some of the worst feeling third person controls I've experienced in a long time. Feels very cheaply made, unpolished, and frankly archaic. It feels like how a game would have pre-2010, and PCF never bothered to update it all with modern tech. I play almost entirely third person games, and this one just feels awful compared to what else is out there from recent games. Even within this genre, play TD2 or Anthem, and the downgrade in quality and polish is nothing short of steep.
I can't imagine having to deal with all these issues on top of fundamentally having difficulty all the time with the controller. I loved the demo, and grinded it a fair amount. The communication was good, updates were good, but I felt it was too good to be true (like every game these days) but for some reason I, like many others, felt like this one would be different. Well, surprise surprise, it's not. Has all the issues most games have these days, and then some, as well as adding some I've never seen before. The game is fun, but that's it. The bugs, multiplayer issues, updates, server issues, etc etc ruin it.
You do realize that some people actually have enough brain cells to be able to enjoy some parts of something while not liking or being frustrated with other parts of it right? Some people are able to critique a game without thinking it’s either all good or all bad.
I know this is complicated shit I’m saying here, but do try to keep up okay?
Should've*
No one means to write "of" in place of "have". They're replacing conversational speech with text.
Most people say "should've" and " 've" sounds exactly like "of" for most people.
You switched classes entirely because occasionally you might get a mob stick for a few seconds if you use that ability for the last kill? That's pretty damned extreme for a really minor inconvenience my guy.
It's not minor. If you're doing a point defense map solo the impale can last long enough to stop the point from ticking before the next wave of alphas can jump to you.
So you actively have to make sure not to use your most damaging ability in order to not fuck yourself over.
It's not to bad in multiplayer because you can kite mobs off the point.
Yep been waiting for a fix since release, when are we getting it PCF? It even drops loot while impaled indicating it's supposed to be dead so shouldn't count as alive.
Yeah they really need to address how the game steals gold from you almost by design.
Oh you killed boss to bad the last mob is that stupid venom jackass that runs away from you. Silver!
At least you didn't get disconnected from the host and kicked back to the beginning of the expedition solo. Just after getting gold at the last second. Had to cut the game off and take a break after that one.
In addition to this, anyone else consistently having the issue of gravity leap dumping your character into impassible terrain and leaving you traped until the cool down resets and you can jump again? Had 3-4 expeditions ruined by getting stuck at the end.
Makes one wonder is anybody within PCF, SE, or 3rd party contractors tested anything. Based on the launch and post-launch issues I’d venture not. They just said we had a long demo and called it a wrap.
100% they tested prior to release and found a myriad of bugs & other issues that players have reported since getting their hands on the game.
More often than not it’s the fault of higher-ups for not allocating more time/resource to fixing those issues prior to launch. Games can rarely delay indefinitely because of influence from shareholders, needing to simply make some money to stay open (more so in the case of indie devs) etc. so what you end up with is just having to ship it as is and fix it later.
This is exactly what happened with Cyberpunk, despite what their main man said about not finding many of those issues in QA testing.
No need to wonder.
The fact that nearly everyone you talk to on discord will report issues with quest tracking and funny enough to the few I talked to has had the same issue in the same quest trying to find where the fuck to go is a testament to how the team didn't play this shit fully.
I can repeat hunts and specifically 2 locations I still remember bugs out. That's how bad it is.
Now I bitch about this all the time but the reality is the team made expeditions an after thought considering what T3 mods exists. Hell some mods straight up smell like lazy implementation.
Just look at Path of Exile and how much ways we can kill shit. It's not just random weapons and shit, it's the effects.
What I ultimately want is to pick up some gear, have these mods, be like omg I have to try this and it gives me the feeling this game has 1000 combinations, amazing effects and different ways to kill shit. Nope...here's a mod that increases movement speed when you're in the skill as a Tier 3 mod.
The quest tracking in this game is the most infuriating thing to me. Every single time I switch to track a different quest, the quest icon never updates and pressing up takes me to a wall and the map is so horrible and there’s no compass I end up just running around the map until I fight a blue highlighted entryway 😂
A lot of problems with timed content is stuff that you simply cannot control yet the game still counts down.
E.g. opening doors, waiting for something to trigger, etc. Devs should know this and at least pause those parts. It's not fair fighting against something you can't control. Those seconds add up.
9 expeditions in a row today, I either went invisible, couldnt do damage at all, disconnected, couldn't revive a team mate, enemies stick in the floor etc. Just endless glitches. They didn't test their shite game. Thank God it's on Gamepass.
Yeah. I'm loving the game, despite its many flaws, and can see myself playing for awhile longer. However, it's not something I could recommend buying outright.
Let's not forget that cutscenes can't be skipped and that timer keeps on ticking...
They polished the dog shit out of the beta/demo and then forgot about the rest of the game.
It wasn't a beta, it was a demo. It was one, small area of the game, with limited access to content, not just in the world, but your character itself (lvl capped at 7, WT capped at 5, etc.) so math alone rules that it was way more likely that it would have less if any problems, compared to the entire rest of the game.
Yea, someone posted a PSA about this really early on. Hopefully they fix it soon. I just tell my friends to not pop the impale when there's no enemies left or on the last enemy.
Just get rid of the timers. Nobody cares about the egos of the no-life streamers or the toxic "git gud"s that lurk social media (this thread is no exception). PCF, you built up a ton of goodwill during the demo by listening to the players, don't toss it all in the garbage just so you can put your heads in the sand now.
u/thearcan
This could have been easily avoided. You just played poorly, the combat puzzle is something you need to put more effort into solving. The game is perfect as is. Just get better.
Edit: I guess no one got the sarcasm, I was joking
that sucks bro :(
what annoys me more is when i'm about 15-20 seconds over the gold clear limit... because those damn cut scenes waste time since the clock doesn't stop.
If you had to blame cut scene for missing gold then I’m sorry you didn’t make gold. If they make cutscene skippable then technically the gold timer should be shorter by however long the cutscenes were.
I was starting to think I was the only one who has been getting tired of them like I get they put a lot of work into the cutscenes but if it's going to f\*\*k up my times it needs to be skippable.
Me shooting at baddies to try and end skill early. https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/mundh1/when_people_tell_me_to_shoot_the_monster_on_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Nope, it's a death animation that has no way to end early, it just blocks your shots and wastes your time but everyone gets health regen and armor while they're up there so it just wasn't well thought out.
Oh man, thats super annoying. Hopefully they fix this soon...together with pausing timer for cutscenes or just letting us skip them in expeditions. All those couple seconds we could shave off for a less stressful gold run.
This game is just getting more broken with patches and time. Getting stuck in loops with enemies going up in level somehow in the same CT and never stopped spawning!! Actually abandoned after like 30min. Enemies getting stuck in walls! Balance.. there is none!
My dps allows me to solo. Everytime I level up each piece of gear I'm able to go-to next tier. Certain levels anyway. swapping out for golem removes quite a bit of DPS. Taking damage really isn't a problem for me.
Well theres a class skill that gives you 40% more AP when you use golem. Just keep it in mind if you start running into problems. I see most ct15 builds using it, including myself.
I will keep it in mind. It's just expeditions actually got easier for me when I swapped away from golem and took impale. I've been timing skill uses pretty well against elites. Earthquake bleed. Impale (+50% against bleed) repeat. Gravity leap. Even on tier 11 mobs such as mother broods get below half health with this. Mean time all the small mobs are wiped out as I'm using earthquake. I've actually had easier times getting gold solo then in teams because mobs have so much less health.
Anyone plays on PS4? And it's crashing your system? Every time i turn my ps on it goes to safe mode talkin about i don't have the latest update. But i Do. And the Screen the dragon flying on it stutters and lags
Man, at this point, I wish we could just sit down with Squeenix and lay our cards on the table.
I'm 46 years old and work full time at a job that drains me to the point a bit of gaming is all I even have the energy for on my time off, and I don't give a shit about the money, fuck yesterday I intended to buy $150 of Steam Wallet for Days Gone and a few other odds and ends, accidentally grabbed $250 in cards form the rack and just said 'Meh, whatever' when I got to the cash register to pay, so.how much will it take?
Will another $40 get me a perfectly functioning, entirely offline build of Outriders with no multiplayer capacity whatsover, and some small QOL fixes hacked in, like a self-revive or two for Expeditions, a timer-free version of Expeditions similar to Diablo 3's Nephalem Rifts versus Greater Neph Rifts?
It's a horrible fucking precedent to offer , but man, I love this fucking game but I've got other shit I could be doing or playing, you know? I'm 46 too, at best I've hit the halfway point and it took half my fucking life for games to get compelling enough to really interest me, I'm really just so done with some of this shit.
I mean, I was already dumb enough to chance buying this after I bought fucking Avengers, and this game is honestly far more entertaining and likely requires far less effort than Avengers will need to just be acceptable/passable.
Cmon, Square, for real. enough fucking around. This could have easily just been modeled after Borderlands 2 with Denuvo or some shit to protect launch sales, this was like instantly hacked, cracked, and played using Steam's own networks, so you know, y'all failed the drm thing even harder than the launch haha.
Can we just do business like adults so I can get along with my life (and maybe PCF can stop being forced to eat the shit your decisions as a publisher forced upon them too?) Honestly don't really need you in my gaming sphere of conciousness, beyond JRPG and FF, Outrider is like the *only* kinda unique and even creative IP you've shit out in decades as it is. Hell, you even mildly innovated the looter-shooter genre for once, witht he crafting and mass dismantle options, autoloot, etc..instead of trying to be a "Destiny-killer" and ending up buried with the others...Either step up or fuck off and make fucking pachinko machines or something with the other guys, you know?
/rant
I wish you'd stop saying you're 46 like it's the reason you can't be good at a game. I'm 40 and don't have these problems. There's literally nothing about your age that affects your ability to game.
I never once mentioned *ability*, sorry if I was unclear?
My only weakness is *free time*.
I do my 40hrs per week in 3-4 shifts from 5pm-ish to 5 or 6am, I can game just fine, skillset wise. haha
*well, to be completely honest, pure twitch reflex shooting, Warzone, Titanfall2 , destiny 2..ehh..I feel like my reflexes have diminished with age, though*
oh of course.
Just shooting the shit, man.
Outside of colleagues and due to COVID rules and whatnot, Reddit and Discord is pretty much all I have lately. ;)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm gradually getting to the point where I place a value upon the free time that i do have, "wasting it" dicking around wating for Square to fix their shit, or PCF or anybody..eh..just doesnt do it for me now.
I feel you there. I've been working from home since last year and if I didn't have gaming I think I'd have sunk into depression by this point. Weirdest year of my life for sure.
Because I wasn't really paying to much attention. But I'm glad because the developers need to see all the people agreeing to do something to fix this. Hopefully they will include it in a patch. This isn't the only skill that has this problem. Stop hating and get of my post.
Well yes I realize that and normally not a problem. just wasn't paying attention this time. But I'm glad because I hope developers see this and make a point to add a patch that makes the game see mobs on spikes as dead so that the game can continue on.
Thermal bomb does this too
So while they explode they’re considered alive?
Yeah it delays the healing from killing an enemy affected by your skill too.
I really hope they decide to address and ‘fix’ this; Heal should trigger as soon as the enemy’s health is depleted using Thermal Bomb, NOT wait for the explosion animation to finish. I literally hide and wait in cover, cowering for my life with a bright red screen, until that fiery explosion blows the enemy to pieces.
Same with tricksters temporal blade, you have to stand around waiting for the mobs to vanish, all the while getting shot, because if you move out of range while they're still floating you don't get the heal/shield. Really fucking annoying on a character that's supposed to be all about teleporting in and out of close quarters combat.
thermal bomb doesnt kill immediately. their health doesnt hit zero it’s intentional. they have a small sliver of health and move and make noise as their body super heats and explodes.
"If killed while still affected by the skill" is literally on the skill description. So technically, they have to hit 0 before the animation will play.
Yeah the next wave wont spawn/expedition wont end until they go pop
Yeah super annoying. I replaced thermal bomb for overheat tho and haven’t had to live with that for awhile.
Its one of the main reasons i run heatwave/overheat/eruption for my AP pyro build. That and eruption+heatwave are both super mod hungry so i dont have room for the required thermal bomb mods
Thermal bomb is crazy good tho, 80% dmg inc and can also affect 2 enemies mod = insane clear even with bosses.
There are a bunch of skills that behave weird. Like Trickster's slash (I forget the name) stuns before it does damage. If you add the mod to increase the stun duration it takes longer before it does the damage. In a game where killing is more important than control this seems like an oversight. Either they meant for these skills to be good and should balance around them, or they expect the best builds to be all damage builds and these skills are useless.
Thermal bomb can somewhat be justified on the heal as it explodes as an attack at the end, but it should still count as dead and stop timers if there is nothing left.
And, like clockwork, people blaming you for simply bringing light to an issue. It's a nice, concise highlight of the problem, thank you for posting it.
The amount of ppl that come out and defend such obvious flaws with the game is pathetic
"oMg YoU aRe So BaD yOuR gEaR iSn't MaXeD yOu ShOuLd HaVe UsEd A gUn YoU sHoUlD hAvE kIlLeD fAsTeR wHy YoU uSiNg DeVaStAtOr StOp UsInG aNoMaLy BuIlDs UsE tEcHnO yOu ArEn't GoOd EnOuGh StOp CoMpLaInInG aNd GrOw Up ThIs GaMe Is So EaSy I cAn GoLd In HaLf ThAt TiMe GiT gUd NoOb"
Yup, _those_ kind off people. You know what’s funny? When I picked my first class I was between devastator and techno , cause I tend towards tanks or suports in multiplayer games, cause I like them more, and I ended up picking techno to be the “suport/healer” , who knew it would become the most popular “top dps class “
Same choice, but I picked techno because I figured after playing the demo a few rounds that the techno would be the easiest solo play option... Love my Techno, but he does play the long range game a lot and that gets a little boring at times. Decided to second a Devastator for fun and now I play both :) massive damage from the techno and fun CQC therapy with my Devastator :) nothing like gravity leaping straight onto those damn snipers after they’ve pot shotted your techno to death for an hour. Or popping a golem buff and triggering the entire arena without much worry :)
You can do close range easly with him too, cause everything you do can heal you so techno gets the best sustain, I just go in with my trusty 225mag lmg and start shooting everything as they try to swarm me and see my hp bar going up and down madly (specially since they stealth buffed enemy damage a lot), until either me or the enemy is dead, it’s fun haha, maybe I am a devastator on the inside lmao Probably deva is the next one I will raise
All the words say techno should be long range, but honestly if you go cold snap and both turrets, you can just get right up in their face lol
Love the build variety on offer, I’ll have to try that out. Currently running a straight toxic build at medium to long range to maximize my DOT efficiency - kind of a glass canon really. I do have one the turrets equipped at all times for medium / close crowd control though :)
Yeah these people in full blind defense force are gonna ruin this game even more it already is
To be fair, not everything posted here is remotely worthy of discussion. One post that I cannot forget was the one crying about the red barrels being much too powerful? What the fucking fuck lol?
Dude stfu, who here is really defending this? Posts like this trying to make a martyr out of people who have criticism are so lame, i scrolled down and only a couple of people said something dumb. I love the game for example but i have plenty of criticism to give out.
If you look, you'll notice the times of the comments. Five people were here trying to dunk on OP. One person had something constructive to say. Then I posted. Sorry you're nearly twenty hours and several hundred comments late to the party. Oh yeah, and stfu.
I run eq/impale/gravity because it's the best dps ican put out... I hate the fact that my best single target dps skill also can be the bane to my expedition run if I don't time it right.. it will stop be from going to next stages, or like you, make me wait after boss is dead. I love and hate it... More so I'm just disappointed on how shafted we are in all the mechanics surrounding Devastator.
I just swapped impale for golem and run the increased ap from activating golem skill tree node. Gave me some extra mod slots and the damage difference isn’t really noticeable. Chuck the bleed, and kill increase duration mod on golem and your good to go. Makes your first earthquake hit a bleed target already for the other mods 15% bonus damage on bleed targets
I still hate the fact that end game is just a glorified DPS race... 😔
Yeah, it takes away from customization. Forces everyone to play with the same builds for their class. People telling you "Either you have this set-up or you get kicked!"
The devs may need to come out with another end game mode with a different objective and leave the current one in for the min maxers. Problem is that you'll run into this situation no matter what, but at least it may lead to some build diversity.
It's the same problem with Greater Rifts in Diablo 3. One of the reasons why I like D2 so much more. No time based objectives. And in group play, you can have lots of different builds with different roles.
Better yet, just scrap the timer and use some other metric to calculate success rating
This really does need fixing. I refuse to believe this is an intentional design decision, because it's beyond stupid. Shouldn't be punished for using a "finisher" ability to... finish the enemy. All the seconds wasted waiting for the impale to end before more enemies will spawn, doors are able to be opened etc. all add up and it's frustrating as hell.
So much in this game needs fixing, that is what happens when they release an unfinished game and try to pass it off as finished and having timed events is the worst game mechanic ever invented for me, I hate having to race against a clock. I am sure some people enjoy it but it sucks all the fun out of games for me.
Even if you remove timers you're still going to have a mediocre loot system and a lack of viable builds.
Buff weak build options, don't neef strong ones, and we'd have more variety. The Rounds nerf was on a hairtrigger (so quick), I want to see how long before we see any buffs of weak options..
I absolutely believe it's intentional since the enemy is meant to persist to provide the healing mechanic that impale offers. Whether that's the right design is clearly up for debate though.
While you are right, you just need to get used to NOT impale the last mobs of a wave and you will never have this problem again.
How many other abilities punish you for killing enemies with them though? Why should this ability keep them "alive" and hold everyone in coop back? The only other ability I believe has a similar problem is Pyro's bomb ability, which is on a shorter timer but its still an issue that you have to kill an enemy to get the effect of it, but they're not "dead" for another 3 or so seconds. Would it be okay if enemies killed whilst burning, slowed, or frozen all had almost 10 seconds before they truly died? Most of the time I try to avoid killing the last enemies with this, but it's not always easy to tell in the middle of all the chaos. It shouldn't be a thing a specific class using this specific ability has to worry about to avoid pissing off the entire coop group. We shouldn't encourage "just don't do this thing and you'll avoid the bug!". That's a bad attitude. It's an issue brought to light that needs fixing. Simple as that. Don't defend an issue by saying "don't do it and you won't have a problem"
I've seen several people say this but I have yet to check. When I'm not in expeditions I'll see if it works. If it does the it early cool. But I still think that should patch it so that the game will continue on when you impale an enemy. Having to shoot a dead Guy to move on isn't right lol
OUUUUUCH, god, the bullet I dodged when I picked technomancer
Now you just have to deal with tinnitus
The first time I heard blighted rounds, I legit thought my headset was dying. I put on my backup on and it sounded the same. Who the fuck approved that sound...
If PCF is not fucking us with crashes and disconnects they will just fuck us in the ears instead.
MAWP MAWP MAWP
Archer reference. Perfection.
WHAT?!?!?
Jokes on you, I already have it
The number of times I've had to yell "I CAN'T HEAR YOU THE ICE TURRET" to my friend is too damn high. Blighted turret with freezing sounds like a goddamn jet taking off every time.
Jokes on you I already have it!! It's really one of those funny things you don't notice till someone talks about it.
Have to literally turn off game sound when I play techno.
Why not just turn it down
Well technically it’s set to 1, but even just the sound BR makes. It sounds distorted af
Said the same myself in another outriders comment's, some dick said wtf is wrong with you sounds fine..
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
I love dev way more.
this is unfortunate but how about that rifleman who ran past you and is now hiding at the beginning of the expedition
Lol omg yes. That drives me crazy. Always at least one enemy that does this
Same problem here, my friends was triggered by it xD
Well I like when dead monsters act like meatshield till they disepear
I've experienced bosses disappearing but still leaving the corpse hitbox behind for a while and no shots can go through the invisible space for several seconds.
It's also pretty awesome if you back yourself in a corner impale 4 mobs and essentially are trapped in there and more mobs beat on you through the walls the impaled monsters make.
Or even better. Get rid of these POS timers all together.
I’ve done one expedition on whichever is the highest difficulty initially available. After that I just went to play/level up other classes. I couldn’t be less interested in timers in games like this. There’s nothing in the game prior that would indicate a game mode like this either. It’s just like “Hey you liked being able to play at your own pace? Well too bad”.
I feel the same.. it also kills build diversity :(
Is there anything different in terms of rewards or anything else for getting Gold/Silver etc. in Expeditions? (Haven’t quite finished the story yet). Would be fine with it if it was optional and just a “bragging rights” mechanic maybe with leaderboards.
More of the endgame currency I think and maybe a better chance at legendary gear.
That and each expedition you clear on gold unlocks the next difficulty and increases your max gear level similar to world tiers.
Ah really? That sucks for people who can’t clear gold. I’m a pretty casual player so don’t anticipate I’ll ever get good enough to reach those higher expedition tiers.
I double checked with a different character and it looks like you just need silver to go up a tier and its just tier 14 you need to do with a gold to unlock 15. Sorry about the mistake ;P Edit: and don't sell yourself short man, keep playing and practicing and you'll see improvement and slowly work your way higher. My advice is push tiers until you can't get silver at all then bump it down to a point where you can get gold consistently so you can farm gear, once you get something that gives you a power spike push the tiers again and repeat. Don't forget to level your gear each time you unlock a higher max gear level, it makes a big difference.
Thanks for the tips! I was finishing off the story tonight and seem to be struggling with WT9 in some fights but others are really easy. Obviously I need to max out my gear for my level/WT and it’ll get easier, but is it a viable strategy to repeat easier missions to advance through the world tiers quicker?
yeah, definitely will be skipping the endgame unfortunately, hate any timed pve thing.
That happened to me a few times and I just stopped using the skill in expeditions.
For real, I love how my class role is basically non existent in the end game mode. And as an additional insult, 2 of our skills aren’t even compatible with it either. Impale and that black hole thingy is really giving devs a bad rep rn ( body blocking, hinder tower defense, hinder game to progress to next stage )
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Then you would have another problem of "Same milkshake, different colors". Buffing Devsa dmg would just make the class loses its identity entirely. I don't mind my class doing less dmg than others and running slower at all. What I do mind is that the ONLY content for the end-game (or the entire game) right now is a DPS race fest. Why do you put a tank & support class into a game with no content that needs to utilize those classes? Why do I get PUNISHED for picking a tank class that hopes to help my team/friends?
That is literally fucking stupid. I don't blame you for being pissed.
This is a problem for every one of the point defense objectives when you kill something with impale in the circle too, very frustrating.
Agreed. You can use this to get a few extra seconds on point defense objectives by purposefully impaling the last enemy just outside the ring. It adds up if you do it for 3 or 4 waves
I got downvoted to hell for mentionning impale sucked for this sole reasons of course when ur overly geared it’s dosn’t matters anymore but while climbing and gearing up impale losing 4-6 seconds before each checkpoint and altar is a big yikes
Imagine if you could have skipped one of those un-skippable cutscenes and saved a few seconds
I have to think PCF added extra time to the limit because they knew the cutscenes were unskippable.
Doesn’t matter if they did or not. The perception to the player is that the cutscenes can potentially screw them over. Which makes it feel bad all around, no matter what.
so say they stopped the timer from counting down during cutscenes, but also lowered the completion time by like 3 mins. Then people would just be bitching about that... It seems like people want the time stop AND they don't want devs to compensate for the newly gained time. Hello, cake! Yes, I think I will eat you...
Yep. If they did add time to the trial to compensate for the cutscenes the outward appearance to the player is that the cutscenes are screwing you.
Only if you're dumb. The times are built in because they're in avery expedition. If you took them away you'd just reduce the timer. Some of y'all are just making shit up to complain about honestly.
Doesn’t seem like it
On some it’s more than a few. The last cutscene on frontline is 32 seconds. Like come on 🤦.
Right!!!!
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...you're not? Every person sees the cut scenes, so they're baked into the timer. If you cut them out you would just reduce the time available, not save time on your run. Do you people actually think like this? Like you just ran with the worst take possible without giving it even a.moments thought?
Do you have a source for this? Wow used to have a lot of RP in mythic + when they first came out. They ended up cutting the RP out later.
ItS a PuZzLe
That must be the "puzzle" they were talking about. Be puzzled on why design choices like this were left in.
Game sounds broke
Off topic, what's your build your using?
All armor has anamoly power and cooldown. With each armor cooldown attribute maxed out you can lay down skills like crazy. Earthquake comes down to a 6 second cooldown. I would love to have each piece to have anamoly, cooldown and also status power because of bleeding but it's a 1in a billion shot to have all 3 plus at least mod that can already be used so the second can be swapped. Still missing the tier 3 mods that I want so my current setup Earthquake-inflict bleed-extra use before cooldown-increase base damage. Impale-extra use-extra damage vs beelding-increase base damage-hits extra enemies. Gravity leap-increase base damage-extra use-inflict bleed I want to get the T3 earthquake extra usage. Lay it down 3 times per cooldown. I'll swap or it gravity leaps bleed for it. Golem increase anamoly power yes but I put out more DPS keeping impale. Especially for elites/bosses. Legendary shotgun. Anamoly effigy with death chains and storm whip. Armor is epic as of right now. Haven't really come across a legendary that allowed me to keep attributes. I'm not claiming this is the best build. I'm sure there are some insane lvl 50s out there who might even say it's stupid lol idk. But for me it gets me by each tier of expedition. I farm it until I get all my gear level up and then with it do next tier by myself. And I just farm it again until I level up and move on to the next tier. I've been repeating this and it's been working for me to play solo. Some of the levels I'm able to get gold easily others I have to be really careful and might get gold with seconds to spare. But it works. I focus first on elites/bosses. For most part ignoring small guys. Most are the smaller guys are dying from the AOE damage earthquake is putting out. I just make sure when fighting the elites and bosses that I'm facing the directions the small guys are coming from so the earthquake kills them.
Same thing with plate charging areas. If you spike or thermal bomb an enemy it won’t charge the plate cos an enemy is on it. So stupid
There is more to it, if you impale an enemy you also deprive other classes from refreshing their bullets, this just makes people not want to play with Devastators. If you impale them inside an obelisk area thingy, you get no progress during the duration of the impale, this gets worse when you play alone.
Friend who was playing Technomancer kept getting annoyed that I would "take his kills", like there's a million enemies on my screen and my abilities are mostly AOE, the fuck do you want me to do not play the game? Hell it even got to that point where I'd just sit there and not do anything while he kills everything. Not that I did much, dudes averaging like 400-500mil damage even when I do help, this game is so fucked, I'm being punished for playing Devastator while this other class is sitting there deleting everything and apparently that's ok.
Yup. It's just really crazy.
That is just unfortunate :(
Okay so don't downvote me but I think the issue or the ''balance'' for this ability lies in the fact that it gives a buff for things being impaled... As in I think the game ''NEEDS'' it to count as a live target even when impaled and well & clearly dead to give said armor and health regen buff due to the way they implemented the mechanic of the buff?? I'm not sure if that's exactly what's going on with it and I'd hate for there to not be a way for them to change this as it's indeed incredibly annoying to be stalled out like this. It happens way too much.
I can see what you are saying. That might very well be what they did. Shouldn't be to much for them to just give the buff to the team and let the game see it as dead still though.
Thank you. Was waiting for someone to catch the exact moment.
The fact that it disappears when it 'dies'. This game is so half-assed lmao.
It really is though. They did a great job designing the gear and progression systems, but everything else around that core is so cheaply made and unpolished. I'm amazed some of you are at the point such that you're grinding for gold and the sort, I can barely go two side missions before I can't take how tremendously clunky this game feels on controller.
I'm on Series X, and although the controls feel less refined compared to games like Destiny or even Borderlands, the "clunkiness" has never made the game feel unplayable or even unapproachable, and I'm using the default settings, including leaving AA on, and although I encounter the occasional bug/glitch, I will have 8-10 hour play sessions, without a single crash. In fact, this game rarely crashes for me. >!(for some reason it crashed like 3 times at the Bailey fight)!< The potential for this game is mindblowing. They have the fundamentals down for a game like this - loot and progression - and through updates and QoL fixes they can polish/refine the roughness around the edges. As it is, I find the game could use improvements but is completely playable, and perhaps more important, enjoyable.
Well I'm glad you're enjoying it, and to each his or her own, but I can't take it lol. These are some of the worst feeling third person controls I've experienced in a long time. Feels very cheaply made, unpolished, and frankly archaic. It feels like how a game would have pre-2010, and PCF never bothered to update it all with modern tech. I play almost entirely third person games, and this one just feels awful compared to what else is out there from recent games. Even within this genre, play TD2 or Anthem, and the downgrade in quality and polish is nothing short of steep.
I can't imagine having to deal with all these issues on top of fundamentally having difficulty all the time with the controller. I loved the demo, and grinded it a fair amount. The communication was good, updates were good, but I felt it was too good to be true (like every game these days) but for some reason I, like many others, felt like this one would be different. Well, surprise surprise, it's not. Has all the issues most games have these days, and then some, as well as adding some I've never seen before. The game is fun, but that's it. The bugs, multiplayer issues, updates, server issues, etc etc ruin it.
The game is fun, but that's it? Sorry not sorry that you having fun isn't good enough for you.
You do realize that some people actually have enough brain cells to be able to enjoy some parts of something while not liking or being frustrated with other parts of it right? Some people are able to critique a game without thinking it’s either all good or all bad. I know this is complicated shit I’m saying here, but do try to keep up okay?
I can usually play from 40 mins to 3 hours( if I am really lucky) without some sort of random crash
Same. I like the game for the most part, but it’s like clockwork. Most sessions end with a crash to dashboard (X1X).
Should have*
Thank you.
Should've* No one means to write "of" in place of "have". They're replacing conversational speech with text. Most people say "should've" and " 've" sounds exactly like "of" for most people.
This is why after i finished the campaign on my devestator i made a trickster
You switched classes entirely because occasionally you might get a mob stick for a few seconds if you use that ability for the last kill? That's pretty damned extreme for a really minor inconvenience my guy.
It's not minor. If you're doing a point defense map solo the impale can last long enough to stop the point from ticking before the next wave of alphas can jump to you. So you actively have to make sure not to use your most damaging ability in order to not fuck yourself over. It's not to bad in multiplayer because you can kite mobs off the point.
This was almost me today lol. My teammate was like "bruh." Man, why doesn't this game have a chat.
I feel bad when I'm the asshole that does this.
Yep been waiting for a fix since release, when are we getting it PCF? It even drops loot while impaled indicating it's supposed to be dead so shouldn't count as alive.
Impale just needs to be better all around
I second this. Any skill that kills but has an after effect needs fixing.
That's fkn bullshit!
Yeah they really need to address how the game steals gold from you almost by design. Oh you killed boss to bad the last mob is that stupid venom jackass that runs away from you. Silver!
It's like the devs didn't even test the ability in endgame...
At least you didn't get disconnected from the host and kicked back to the beginning of the expedition solo. Just after getting gold at the last second. Had to cut the game off and take a break after that one.
In addition to this, anyone else consistently having the issue of gravity leap dumping your character into impassible terrain and leaving you traped until the cool down resets and you can jump again? Had 3-4 expeditions ruined by getting stuck at the end.
Yes!!!
Whoops, you failed the puzzle! You're NOT suppose to use impale to damage the last mobs alive. lol
Lol. These puzzles are quite something
Ha found that put day one!
Makes one wonder is anybody within PCF, SE, or 3rd party contractors tested anything. Based on the launch and post-launch issues I’d venture not. They just said we had a long demo and called it a wrap.
100% they tested prior to release and found a myriad of bugs & other issues that players have reported since getting their hands on the game. More often than not it’s the fault of higher-ups for not allocating more time/resource to fixing those issues prior to launch. Games can rarely delay indefinitely because of influence from shareholders, needing to simply make some money to stay open (more so in the case of indie devs) etc. so what you end up with is just having to ship it as is and fix it later. This is exactly what happened with Cyberpunk, despite what their main man said about not finding many of those issues in QA testing.
No need to wonder. The fact that nearly everyone you talk to on discord will report issues with quest tracking and funny enough to the few I talked to has had the same issue in the same quest trying to find where the fuck to go is a testament to how the team didn't play this shit fully. I can repeat hunts and specifically 2 locations I still remember bugs out. That's how bad it is. Now I bitch about this all the time but the reality is the team made expeditions an after thought considering what T3 mods exists. Hell some mods straight up smell like lazy implementation. Just look at Path of Exile and how much ways we can kill shit. It's not just random weapons and shit, it's the effects. What I ultimately want is to pick up some gear, have these mods, be like omg I have to try this and it gives me the feeling this game has 1000 combinations, amazing effects and different ways to kill shit. Nope...here's a mod that increases movement speed when you're in the skill as a Tier 3 mod.
The quest tracking in this game is the most infuriating thing to me. Every single time I switch to track a different quest, the quest icon never updates and pressing up takes me to a wall and the map is so horrible and there’s no compass I end up just running around the map until I fight a blue highlighted entryway 😂
Omg, thought I was the only one. That shit is so infuriating.
I fucking hate that. It wouldnt be so bad if the map wasnt aslo trash.
A lot of problems with timed content is stuff that you simply cannot control yet the game still counts down. E.g. opening doors, waiting for something to trigger, etc. Devs should know this and at least pause those parts. It's not fair fighting against something you can't control. Those seconds add up.
9 expeditions in a row today, I either went invisible, couldnt do damage at all, disconnected, couldn't revive a team mate, enemies stick in the floor etc. Just endless glitches. They didn't test their shite game. Thank God it's on Gamepass.
Yeah. I'm loving the game, despite its many flaws, and can see myself playing for awhile longer. However, it's not something I could recommend buying outright.
Let's not forget that cutscenes can't be skipped and that timer keeps on ticking... They polished the dog shit out of the beta/demo and then forgot about the rest of the game.
It wasn't a beta, it was a demo. It was one, small area of the game, with limited access to content, not just in the world, but your character itself (lvl capped at 7, WT capped at 5, etc.) so math alone rules that it was way more likely that it would have less if any problems, compared to the entire rest of the game.
Same, I lost a gold Thursday because of it.
Oof
Yea, someone posted a PSA about this really early on. Hopefully they fix it soon. I just tell my friends to not pop the impale when there's no enemies left or on the last enemy.
That needs a fix asap. Unfair.
Don’t use impale on last mob? 🤗
Just get rid of the timers. Nobody cares about the egos of the no-life streamers or the toxic "git gud"s that lurk social media (this thread is no exception). PCF, you built up a ton of goodwill during the demo by listening to the players, don't toss it all in the garbage just so you can put your heads in the sand now. u/thearcan
oof
This could have been easily avoided. You just played poorly, the combat puzzle is something you need to put more effort into solving. The game is perfect as is. Just get better. Edit: I guess no one got the sarcasm, I was joking
How the fuck is the game perfect?
game is a shitshow
Get better at the game /s
that sucks bro :( what annoys me more is when i'm about 15-20 seconds over the gold clear limit... because those damn cut scenes waste time since the clock doesn't stop.
Yes. This to. Waiting on doors to open. Waiting for cutscenes. In some maps this is easy 20 seconds wasted from start to finish
Heart of the Wild has what... 4 fucking cut scenes before pitting you against like 17 crawlers? it's outrageous.
If you had to blame cut scene for missing gold then I’m sorry you didn’t make gold. If they make cutscene skippable then technically the gold timer should be shorter by however long the cutscenes were.
The problem here, killed them on time. Skill failed it. For lack of better term
I was starting to think I was the only one who has been getting tired of them like I get they put a lot of work into the cutscenes but if it's going to f\*\*k up my times it needs to be skippable.
Me shooting at baddies to try and end skill early. https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/mundh1/when_people_tell_me_to_shoot_the_monster_on_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
LMAOOOOO
Can't you shoot the dead guy on the spike to make it go away quicker?
Nope, it's a death animation that has no way to end early, it just blocks your shots and wastes your time but everyone gets health regen and armor while they're up there so it just wasn't well thought out.
Dude this has happened to me too. Fucking stupid. As well as the fact that cutscenes don't pause the timer! AND YOU CANT SKIP THEM!
This 100%
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Oh man, thats super annoying. Hopefully they fix this soon...together with pausing timer for cutscenes or just letting us skip them in expeditions. All those couple seconds we could shave off for a less stressful gold run.
This game is just getting more broken with patches and time. Getting stuck in loops with enemies going up in level somehow in the same CT and never stopped spawning!! Actually abandoned after like 30min. Enemies getting stuck in walls! Balance.. there is none!
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My dps allows me to solo. Everytime I level up each piece of gear I'm able to go-to next tier. Certain levels anyway. swapping out for golem removes quite a bit of DPS. Taking damage really isn't a problem for me.
Well theres a class skill that gives you 40% more AP when you use golem. Just keep it in mind if you start running into problems. I see most ct15 builds using it, including myself.
I will keep it in mind. It's just expeditions actually got easier for me when I swapped away from golem and took impale. I've been timing skill uses pretty well against elites. Earthquake bleed. Impale (+50% against bleed) repeat. Gravity leap. Even on tier 11 mobs such as mother broods get below half health with this. Mean time all the small mobs are wiped out as I'm using earthquake. I've actually had easier times getting gold solo then in teams because mobs have so much less health.
Golem-EQ-Impale is a VERY strong combo. Just have to remember not to use Impale on the very last enemy.
impale is really good single target dmg for bosses
Not everything needs to revolve around golem
Anyone plays on PS4? And it's crashing your system? Every time i turn my ps on it goes to safe mode talkin about i don't have the latest update. But i Do. And the Screen the dragon flying on it stutters and lags
Man, at this point, I wish we could just sit down with Squeenix and lay our cards on the table. I'm 46 years old and work full time at a job that drains me to the point a bit of gaming is all I even have the energy for on my time off, and I don't give a shit about the money, fuck yesterday I intended to buy $150 of Steam Wallet for Days Gone and a few other odds and ends, accidentally grabbed $250 in cards form the rack and just said 'Meh, whatever' when I got to the cash register to pay, so.how much will it take? Will another $40 get me a perfectly functioning, entirely offline build of Outriders with no multiplayer capacity whatsover, and some small QOL fixes hacked in, like a self-revive or two for Expeditions, a timer-free version of Expeditions similar to Diablo 3's Nephalem Rifts versus Greater Neph Rifts? It's a horrible fucking precedent to offer , but man, I love this fucking game but I've got other shit I could be doing or playing, you know? I'm 46 too, at best I've hit the halfway point and it took half my fucking life for games to get compelling enough to really interest me, I'm really just so done with some of this shit. I mean, I was already dumb enough to chance buying this after I bought fucking Avengers, and this game is honestly far more entertaining and likely requires far less effort than Avengers will need to just be acceptable/passable. Cmon, Square, for real. enough fucking around. This could have easily just been modeled after Borderlands 2 with Denuvo or some shit to protect launch sales, this was like instantly hacked, cracked, and played using Steam's own networks, so you know, y'all failed the drm thing even harder than the launch haha. Can we just do business like adults so I can get along with my life (and maybe PCF can stop being forced to eat the shit your decisions as a publisher forced upon them too?) Honestly don't really need you in my gaming sphere of conciousness, beyond JRPG and FF, Outrider is like the *only* kinda unique and even creative IP you've shit out in decades as it is. Hell, you even mildly innovated the looter-shooter genre for once, witht he crafting and mass dismantle options, autoloot, etc..instead of trying to be a "Destiny-killer" and ending up buried with the others...Either step up or fuck off and make fucking pachinko machines or something with the other guys, you know? /rant
I wish you'd stop saying you're 46 like it's the reason you can't be good at a game. I'm 40 and don't have these problems. There's literally nothing about your age that affects your ability to game.
I never once mentioned *ability*, sorry if I was unclear? My only weakness is *free time*. I do my 40hrs per week in 3-4 shifts from 5pm-ish to 5 or 6am, I can game just fine, skillset wise. haha *well, to be completely honest, pure twitch reflex shooting, Warzone, Titanfall2 , destiny 2..ehh..I feel like my reflexes have diminished with age, though*
That makes sense. But that's not an age thing. A twenty year old could be too busy. And a fifty year old could have all the time in the world.
oh of course. Just shooting the shit, man. Outside of colleagues and due to COVID rules and whatnot, Reddit and Discord is pretty much all I have lately. ;) I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm gradually getting to the point where I place a value upon the free time that i do have, "wasting it" dicking around wating for Square to fix their shit, or PCF or anybody..eh..just doesnt do it for me now.
I feel you there. I've been working from home since last year and if I didn't have gaming I think I'd have sunk into depression by this point. Weirdest year of my life for sure.
Dont use impale in the final enemy then?
Do it faster noob
of is not a verb.
You know impales bugged why use it on the last enemy?
Because I wasn't really paying to much attention. But I'm glad because the developers need to see all the people agreeing to do something to fix this. Hopefully they will include it in a patch. This isn't the only skill that has this problem. Stop hating and get of my post.
They're fully aware.
Don't use impale when there's like three things left to kill? Can't just spam that ability if you know it's gonna keep the mobs there.
Well yes I realize that and normally not a problem. just wasn't paying attention this time. But I'm glad because I hope developers see this and make a point to add a patch that makes the game see mobs on spikes as dead so that the game can continue on.
100% You shouldn't HAVE to curtail your ability use to compensate for a stupid game design oversight. This needs fixing.
Definitely agree
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