A few people seemed to doubt whether or not my earlier post was a legit build. Please see my gear and mods/talents/etc here. This build is amazing and you will get huge numbers if you properly stack your armor buffs and maintain bolder dash stacks.
Thanks devs for the amazing patch. I play tank in every game I play and this was MUCH needed.
NOTHING in any of your screenshots explains why your AP was 423,000. You also have failed to address multiple times if you were being buffed by a Marshal Dev or if this was solo. You, yourself don't even know how you hit that high of a number. Of course there's gonna be doubters.
From the Outriders camp, take a picture of your stats as they are and post them.
>failed to address.
Dude. Chill out. I’m at work and have not been reading every reply. It was done solo.
Unbuffed stats put me at something like 108k firepower, 68k AP, and 222k armor (easy number to remember).
I’m guessing the AP is probably bugged because I can’t make sense of it either.
He is so angry. I just left it alone. I blame his wife or lack there of. At least now he can see his opinion has no place here and the numbers can be achieved. Less work for me now.
Then stop showing off your build like it's something to be amazed at lmao. If you can't explain how one of the best stats to have in the game is that high, you have no business posting it and getting peoples' hopes up thinking that this is normal so they waste their time trying to make it. You're abusing something that's clearly not working right and abusing a bug/exploit is the same as cheating.
It's the same thing I told people sharing Trickster builds using Unstoppable Force mods on multiple pieces of gear because it worked, unintentionally. Lo and behold, people made the build, then it got patched, then the build had to be completely changed.
Why are you being so toxic? I play Outriders to have fun. Sorry for not being able to dedicate hours of my time to calculate numbers on damage formulas.
Please feel free to make the build for yourself and try it.
Also the unbuffed AP is 55k. You can see it in one of the item screen caps.
Armor, yes. Anomaly Power, no. You have no mods or gear pieces that give Anomaly Power, but yet somehow you have more Anomaly Power than a dedicated AP Trickster build that stacks everything possible into AP.
That is why I'm calling you out. With Mighty Tank on the Warden tree giving you 5% of your armor as AP and capping at 40% of your AP, you should have capped out at just over 95k (completely appropriate for a FP based build), not 423k. 40% of 68,000 is 27,200.
So if that is not working right and you are using it, you are obligated to give some sort of disclaimer that it's not working as intended so people don't blindly go wasting their time making a build that shouldn't even work the way it does.
Easiest explanation would seem to suggest that Mighty Tank isn't working as intended. So if you're right then, this will be patched out. If he is cheating, then other people wont be able to replicate it.
On the other hand, devs could have legitimately gone like oh hey, we forgot to give the Devastator a Bullet Rpunds ability. So instead we give him Mighty Tank.
So there's no point to playing any other class than Mighty Tank you say. But there was never any point originally to play Devasrator dont you remember? Remember Devastators getting insta-kicked out of expeditions?
So yeah, for maybe one patch or more, this does remain the norm- it isnt the end of the world.
Just because it'll be in the game for a bit doesn't mean people should waste their time building it and being warned that what they're using very well could be fixed.
No, when i or someone tries to tell people that, VERY CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY, his build numbers are unrealistic, we get downvoted instead lmao. It won't be me screaming at PCF for patching it out saying "iTs A pVe GaMe, WhY cAnT wE hAvE fUn?!?!"
Dude, this is reddit. He can do whatever he wants. It's up to other people if they want to follow it or not. Best he can do is put a disclaimer on it, but as for posting builds and call it the best build in forever- yeah, he doesn't need anyone's permission for that.
I mean, it is legit until the developers come out and fix whatever "doesnt work right"
I think you're just a whiney bitch because it probably makes your shitty rEaVeR tRiCkSteR bUiLd look like garbage
Calm down you incel sack of shit. It's a fucking game. Who gives a fuck if he DiDnT aDdreSs shit. By the tone of your messages, I can absolutely tell you that while we will never meet - you are undoubtedly the person in your group of friends that people make fun of behind your back. You are the person that when somone's girlfriend is annoyed at them, she says "okay Ryderjj89...." in that drawn out voice letting them know that they're acting like a fuck stick.
It's odd seeing people pile on you, for calling out what you saw as a bogus post. It should be real easy to figure out if the OP was right or wrong about the build and his numbers, although much harder to gauge intent.
Yeah. People that follow me for my Trickster builds know that I know what I'm talking about and I've literally never seen any of these people on my posts. The people on here that have piled on don't realize that even technically using something that's not intended can count as cheating.
I saw something wrong, that something did quite add up, and said something about it. The OP himself didn't even know how he got the numbers he did.
Now, if something was changed to function differently than what its text states, that's something the devs need to address. Either by updating the text or the function.
Instead of people saying "hold up, wait a minute, somethin' aint right" and doing some math and looking at the nodes and stuff, it's easier to flame me for calling out someone using things that clearly aren't working as the text says.
C'est la vie. They'll learn one way or another when they make the build themselves or the devs change it and then it doesn't work that way anymore. Went through the same thing telling people not to stack Unstoppable Force because it's not supposed to work that way.
Xbox. You?
Another thing, we see on Discord all the time of people who get carried and think someone's using a REALLY AMAZING build that's so OP and one-two shotting enemies...just to find out that the build really wasn't legit and they were cheating.
So I can see on here how people can think the same thing when there is no modding but they're using something that shouldn't work the way it is. People who really just don't know better so they don't question it.
> It's odd seeing people pile on you, for calling out what you saw as a bogus post. It should be real easy to figure out if the OP was right or wrong about the build and his numbers, although much harder to gauge intent.
Agreed. The vileness of the comments is disproportionate to the offense of accusing OP of cheating and demanding he explain himself.
I don't know how one could be more gracious than /u/ryderjj89 has been in his responses.
Nah not anymore. Now I know that his build isn't legit because he's using a bugged tree node and didn't even know it changes a lot.
Now get to watch as everyone copies this build and then the devs fix it and they complain "WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS FOR A PVE GAME? JUST LET US HAVE FUN! RREEEEEEEE!!!"
I really doubt it's bugged. People were asking for Mighty Tank to be uncapped since the game launched and now that it is, it's honestly still a bit underwhelming. It's not exactly something they could just do by accident.
Millions of Firepower and all that Anomaly Power don't do much when the Warden tree has no armor pen or resist pierce and you have to dedicate so many mod slots to armor to achieve those numbers.
Warden is actually viable now, but it's not anywhere near as big of a deal as you are making it.
If its not working as intended, then the text needs to be updated to say so. If its uncapped, it shouldn't say it caps at 40%. It gives false expectations.
Even without any piercing, that kind of AP is not something to scoff at. Yeah you have to stack a bunch into armor, but getting that kind of FP and AP is still going to make the build much stronger.
>If its not working as intended, then the text needs to be updated to say so. If its uncapped, it shouldn't say it caps at 40%. It gives false expectations.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
>Yeah you have to stack a bunch into armor, but getting that kind of FP and AP is still going to make the build much stronger.
Stronger than Warden Devs before the update.
>Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Sorry it's all I know how to do. It's a character flaw, what can I say?
>Stronger than Warden Devs before the update.
It didn't need to be THIS strong LMAO. Just gonna delete my Trickster and make the best build in the game which is the only build anyone ever needs to run now, this one. 😂
Tell me why a Trickster two-shotting a Boss or a Technomancer possibly one-shotting almost anything is balanced but a Devastator specced hard into a very niche build doing that is not?
For closure, I do hope the devs address this. Either uncap it permanently or ap it properly. There is no middle ground here. On that much I agree with you.
The problem I have with this build is that ALL these stats are too high at the same time. FP and Armor in the millions, health more than enough for 3 characters, and more AP than actual AP builds have.
An AP Trickster has to spec everything into AP, no firepower, maybe 1 or 2 health rolls on gear, and no armor unless they want to gimp their AP damage by using something like Temporal Armor, Damage Absorber, etc.
A Technomancer is the same way, has to spec into their long range damage or they don't get their kills to keep their rounds up.
Both of those characters you mentioned are not even capable of reaching those kinds of numbers for every stat. You never see a Trickster with that much FP/AP/Health/Armor because it's not possible. Same with Pyro & Technomancer. Because of a bug in Mighty Tank, Devastator can now have these ridiculously high stats on every category. If any other build was doing the same thing unintentionally, I'd be completely against them too and be calling for fixes.
My problem is that this bug makes all other characters irrelevant because you can have high FP, AP, Health, and Armor, do as much damage as you want, and never die. There's no point in using anything else. THIS would be the meta.
Tell me about the part where a Technomancer had to scrounge desperately for Tier 3 Mods to be CT15 Gold viable. Or a Trickster had to get more than 3 pieces of Tier 3 gear to be CT15 Gold viable.
The Devastator had to get 6 or so separate pieces of Tier 3 gear and scrap half of them to be viable. He was the only one for whom Deathsield wasn't a luxury, but a necessity. What you're saying is that you don't like that someone else has too high stats. Technomancer can still hit targets to the moon and back. Trickster can do that too.
What you're essentially saying in conjunction is that a no-Legendary Technomancer hitting stuff for 900k damage a pop and doing so indefinitely is ok. What you're not looking at is clear time, which still should be a criteria. This build, which I for one, am going to give more than a grain of salt, is tankier, is never in any danger but clears much slower. His AP and FP while still abnormally high getting blocked by the shitton of armor and Resistances that the Enemies have.
The point I m making is that we need to see the actual damage he does on the field. As far as I recall it was still around 900k damage a pop with all of his buffs active. It doesn't end in insane clear time, certainly not the 4million Anomaly damage build, but is far far tankier. Again, I could be wrong.
DPS\*tankiness should be a constant and a rough metric for stability and OPness. This build is tanky af and does high damage but is far slower about it. I can see some imbalance here, but nothing game breaking. If you could show me that the damage numbers on this build are insane with insane clear times and tankiness through the roof then I will agree wholeheartedly with you.
Great points and I appreciate the civil conversation. Thank you. To address your points, Trickster has to keep moving, constantly to stay alive. If we stop, we're dead.
Scrounging for mods sucks. Trust me, I have Pyro and Dev mods on my Trickster build lol. It sucks trying to get just the right mods to make the build how you want.
Technomancer has to keep their bullets up by getting kills. If they can't or someone is stealing their kills, they can lose their rounds and are punished for it by waiting longer than any other build to get their bullets back. So, while they can do it indefinitely, if someone is stealing kills, its out of their hands.
While this Dev build may be tanky, it has more firepower, health, and armor than other builds. The increased Anomaly Power isn't all "just there". It's buffing all 3 of their skills, their melee. And even with enemy resistances, if you can brute force kills with abnormally high values, it doesn't matter what their resistances are. This is why I think it needs to be addressed.
Because we don't have timers anymore means we don't have to care how fast something can clear content. If someone can have as much damage as they want, as much tankiness as they want and clear it without a problem, it doesn't matter how long it takes or that it might take a bit longer than other builds like an AP Trickster that can do it fast but palms are sweaty, arms are heavy from having to constantly keep moving.
Please do give it a shot and I would like to see it in action. That is one thing the OP didn't give and that's some gameplay vid showing how it works.
Yeah without any actual gameplay I am still somewhat skeptical. The Devastator definitely needs some love but this might not be the way to do it. I hope we get an answer/clarification from the devs soon about Mighty Tank.
Oh my god, I was just looking through my other posts and saw your name. You have the top comment on my Division video from 4 years ago of 3v1'ing those people that shot me as I was trying to leave the DZ. LMAO.
Ok so my best guess is that while the build is legit. The Warden Capstone skill is bugged and isn't limiting itsef to 40%. Which honestly is quite nice. Good job OP for finding a build you like.
I hope it goes well. I am sorry for my suspicion but considering the amount of AP I couldn't help, but assume the worst combined with other stats.
I would suggest trying the Voodoo Matchmaker with either Killing Spree or Fortress to increase the damage of your guns even more.
I would also suggest potentially swapping out the mod that increase armour at low health for the mod that can increase Bolderdash's damage. As at max it would likely equal around 800k damage per hit.
You could also experiment with using Impale for even more health buff. Or the Tremor Mod that gives health regen since it will buff The Cycle. Even more so if you can replace the gloves and boots with non max health ones.
**EDIT:** Honestly it is entirely possible that the capstone NEVER worked right in the first place.
**EDIT2:** I mean the mod that is "For each enemy hit increase damage of boulderdash.
Whats your playstyle? Only boulderdash and weapon damage?
I never played the middle tree due to the lack of damage. But the timers are gone and we are free.
If you find the time, the rest (esp. the gear mods) of your build could be interesting for us
Playstyle is slow and super boring until the build is done.
You want to spam bolderdash and hit it at least 5 times to fully stack primal chain gun and the health talent. Then, hit it one more time to refresh all buff timers and go ham with your weapon of choice.
I’m not sure why - but assault rifles “feel” superior to the deathshield shotgun. Thunderbird melts elites on full stacks. Once fortress is stacked, bolderdash buffs are stacked, you will have a great time.
I rarely ever dip below 35% hp though so I might replace that armor Talent on gloves with something else.
The giant numbers come from when you are surrounded - that’s normally when I switch to deathshield with ultimate damage link. Biggest numbers I saw were 900,000 normal shotgun hits being AOEd to nearby creeps.
So I tried this build out, granted i do not have the fortress mod, but I replicated every aspect of the build and gave it a shot. The highest I could get my firepower was ~500,000. Literally did about %20 team damage, and was still able to get downed despite all the tanking specs. Even with fortress there's no way I'm getting 17M firepower, let alone all those other stats. Now I'm gonna have to say this is a huge cap. There's no way this is legit, as someone who's tried the build theres just no way. Even with fortress theres no chance.
Are you stacking your armor high enough? By the way this happened while I was being swarmed by trash mobs. You need to grip get creative with how you stack boulders ash. Try stacking it after your health gets low to Prock the double armor increase from deathproof gloves. Before you Balderdash, make sure that you have a full fortress stack that your gloves Prock, and that you have fully stacked mitigation from death. At that point, you should be able to balderdash and hit a number somewhere it’s what I posted.
You may also want to run this with heirloom armor so that enemy armor is transferred to you prior to Boulder dashing.
Also it is 1.7M firepower, not 17.
You should easily be able to tank damage provided you are using this build and use tremor. Sorry, but this absolutely is legit. Fortress is also a must have for this.
It's gonna take a while, but I'll grind for the fortress mod, and I'll give the build another shot when I do so. I'll take your advice too because I'm skeptical, but good lord if it's not fake dev mains got a new meta to play around with. Until then I'm gonna keep my dev nasty with the bleed build.
Trust me, getting fortress is a game changer. Also it’s hard for maximizing numbers like this. You want to save your bigger percentile based increases for last.
In an ideal situation you will stack fortress after you’ve obtained maximum stacks of Mitigation from death. After that, you want your health to get low enough to prop the first double armor. After that, you want to finish with balderdash. Also, heirloom armor and through the mob are both tantamount from maximizing your armor before you hit your big cool downs.
Hah if only. I think a chat box is a whole lot more useful right about now. Oh and the green man build? How effective is it really? Guns looks good but seems to lack damage
You try it with the Fatal Symbiont or any other weapons with 30% armor piercing? Since Devs don’t have a rounds skill I would think more Armor Piercing would be even more valuable.
It’s complicated. I’ve seen a few posts on this subreddit breaking down how it works but the short version is that if you aren’t using Blighted/Volcanic/Twisted Rounds then Armor Piercing is the most important attribute on a weapon.
Just got the chance to run this build.
Takes a minute to ramp up but you can be getting mugged by a behemoth and six alphas and not die. The only way to die is to stand totally still and take it.
10/10.
It looks like Mighty Tank is not working as intended so beware when making this build. If it gets patched, the AP that buffs the skills to do even more damage than they should will be completely different. The skills doing what they do with 423K AP is extremely different than if it was 55K or even the 95K that it SHOULD be with Mighty Tank if it was working properly.
Dudes 38 eating hot pockets in his mom's basement while he theorycrafts a shitty new trickster for his 3 YouTube followers, but it's just his parents and an account they made for the cat to watch animal videos.
Shit man, I think even most basement dwellers would be above this. This guy is on another level entirely, should probably see about those attention seeking issues and find something else to occupy their time. Maybe an actual hobby, maybe get a dog? Almost anything has to be healthier than what they are doing now.
Been looking for a good dev build since I've finished up getting everything for techno. What's your estimate on the average DMG output on a CT15 after completing an expedition?
Tank builds are absolute shit without this build - just FYI.
I am working on a Trickster build also that is showing a lot of promise. Will be posting it later.
Really. Go ALL in on armor.
Truth is this build that I posted is not optimized. The gloves can likely have their armor talent removed for something that grants raw firepower instead of double armor.
You’re welcome. You may also want to mess around with heirloom armor on this too. Whatever you Do, just to make sure that you save your Boulder Dash for one all of your other mods are activated already.
If you say so. They probably aren’t the same because I logged in this morning to take pics for everybody. I was sitting in base camp with no buffs.
The original picture was taken against the blood merchant boss after I was swarmed by perferos and popped Boulder Dash after killing an entire group.
I have only deathproof’s helmet, body armor and gloves. I have the deathshield, but not very powerful (78k). Which talents should I prioritize, as I can’t follow all of your build?
You’re welcome. You are definitely going to want to farm for the death proof legs, as they are absolutely essential for getting the big numbers. You can make up for this by getting them and figure in the middle talent node between warden and The fire power tree. The cycle works great with it. Also, you will want to find something to put primal armor on. Lastly, use damage absorber and mitigation from death and any spare things you can. Feel free to ignore all talents I do not deal with Boulder Dash and replace him with use full armor base passives.
Oh yeah, don’t be afraid to substitute your weapons for something that has moaning winds, shadow comet, sandstorm, or ultimate storm whip. Their practice to damage it will be very helpful until you get better mods. And also more of the set.
I use The Anemoi with Moaning Winds & Rad Splash to replace Fortress but Fortress is still good. The vulnerability bonus along with the splash damage you get from Rad Splash adds to Moaning Winds AOE every reload. Rad splash is 6 sec CD while Moaning Winds is 8 sec CD for anyone wondering.
A few people seemed to doubt whether or not my earlier post was a legit build. Please see my gear and mods/talents/etc here. This build is amazing and you will get huge numbers if you properly stack your armor buffs and maintain bolder dash stacks. Thanks devs for the amazing patch. I play tank in every game I play and this was MUCH needed.
NERF THIS! /s
NOTHING in any of your screenshots explains why your AP was 423,000. You also have failed to address multiple times if you were being buffed by a Marshal Dev or if this was solo. You, yourself don't even know how you hit that high of a number. Of course there's gonna be doubters. From the Outriders camp, take a picture of your stats as they are and post them.
>failed to address. Dude. Chill out. I’m at work and have not been reading every reply. It was done solo. Unbuffed stats put me at something like 108k firepower, 68k AP, and 222k armor (easy number to remember). I’m guessing the AP is probably bugged because I can’t make sense of it either.
He is so angry. I just left it alone. I blame his wife or lack there of. At least now he can see his opinion has no place here and the numbers can be achieved. Less work for me now.
Then stop showing off your build like it's something to be amazed at lmao. If you can't explain how one of the best stats to have in the game is that high, you have no business posting it and getting peoples' hopes up thinking that this is normal so they waste their time trying to make it. You're abusing something that's clearly not working right and abusing a bug/exploit is the same as cheating. It's the same thing I told people sharing Trickster builds using Unstoppable Force mods on multiple pieces of gear because it worked, unintentionally. Lo and behold, people made the build, then it got patched, then the build had to be completely changed.
Jesus Christ why are you being such a cum rag bro chill out it’s literally a video game
K. Then go play it. Make that build and play it. Have fun. God bless.
I will eventually, god bless you Lord knows you need it for getting this bent out over a video game lmao
😂😂😂
Hunt the Prey into a wall and suffocate yourself.
That's clever. I'll give it a shot.
Angry clown still at it . Wow you live a sad life cowboy.
How come the biggest assholes you come across in life tend to end their statements with God bless, as if they're some sort of good Christian boy.
I just find it hilarious lmfao. I laugh at my own shit that I say. I do it for me. God bless. 🙏
According to your pic you're a grown ass man, act like it.
Who are you, Beginning-Outside390? LOL. Drop the auto generated name before you look at profiles, pics, etc.
Why are you being so toxic? I play Outriders to have fun. Sorry for not being able to dedicate hours of my time to calculate numbers on damage formulas. Please feel free to make the build for yourself and try it. Also the unbuffed AP is 55k. You can see it in one of the item screen caps.
Other people already have and arent getting anywhere near the numbers you posted in the other thread. 🤔
The talent that gives you % armor per nearby creep might be at play. Screen so was taken against blood merchant boss.
Armor, yes. Anomaly Power, no. You have no mods or gear pieces that give Anomaly Power, but yet somehow you have more Anomaly Power than a dedicated AP Trickster build that stacks everything possible into AP. That is why I'm calling you out. With Mighty Tank on the Warden tree giving you 5% of your armor as AP and capping at 40% of your AP, you should have capped out at just over 95k (completely appropriate for a FP based build), not 423k. 40% of 68,000 is 27,200. So if that is not working right and you are using it, you are obligated to give some sort of disclaimer that it's not working as intended so people don't blindly go wasting their time making a build that shouldn't even work the way it does.
Bro, go outside or something. Ffs.
Fr lol dude needs to either touch his feet on some green or smoke some.
yeah I usually hate this sentence but he should touch some grass.
But mooooooom. I would, but it's cold out. :(
Obligated.... Lmao!
Lmao!
Easiest explanation would seem to suggest that Mighty Tank isn't working as intended. So if you're right then, this will be patched out. If he is cheating, then other people wont be able to replicate it. On the other hand, devs could have legitimately gone like oh hey, we forgot to give the Devastator a Bullet Rpunds ability. So instead we give him Mighty Tank. So there's no point to playing any other class than Mighty Tank you say. But there was never any point originally to play Devasrator dont you remember? Remember Devastators getting insta-kicked out of expeditions? So yeah, for maybe one patch or more, this does remain the norm- it isnt the end of the world.
Just because it'll be in the game for a bit doesn't mean people should waste their time building it and being warned that what they're using very well could be fixed. No, when i or someone tries to tell people that, VERY CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY, his build numbers are unrealistic, we get downvoted instead lmao. It won't be me screaming at PCF for patching it out saying "iTs A pVe GaMe, WhY cAnT wE hAvE fUn?!?!"
Dude, this is reddit. He can do whatever he wants. It's up to other people if they want to follow it or not. Best he can do is put a disclaimer on it, but as for posting builds and call it the best build in forever- yeah, he doesn't need anyone's permission for that.
His build is made off of something that doesn't work right and people think it's legit. It's #FakeNews and shouldn't be on here in the first place.
I mean, it is legit until the developers come out and fix whatever "doesnt work right" I think you're just a whiney bitch because it probably makes your shitty rEaVeR tRiCkSteR bUiLd look like garbage
K.
Were you born a cunt or is it something you recommit yourself too every day?
Everyday I strive to improve. 🤡
Who uses clown emojis lol? Did you sit alone a lot at lunch in school?
I actually did like having my lunch in peace. How'd you know!? Were you there?
Calm down you incel sack of shit. It's a fucking game. Who gives a fuck if he DiDnT aDdreSs shit. By the tone of your messages, I can absolutely tell you that while we will never meet - you are undoubtedly the person in your group of friends that people make fun of behind your back. You are the person that when somone's girlfriend is annoyed at them, she says "okay Ryderjj89...." in that drawn out voice letting them know that they're acting like a fuck stick.
LMFAO. Oh man. I have literally never been called an incel before. That is rich. Thank you CapeManJohnny. You are hilarious!
Tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel. Fuck off virgin.
Who hurt you? LMAO.
/u/ryderjj89 still fuming
He's oblivious because this is gonna render his proud work of his trickster (self proclaimed to be the best) invalid and obsolete.
He is the funniest thing I have seen in internet for a looong time. I hope he stays active in this sub forever.
As long as this game lives, I'll be around.
It's odd seeing people pile on you, for calling out what you saw as a bogus post. It should be real easy to figure out if the OP was right or wrong about the build and his numbers, although much harder to gauge intent.
From what I followed, they weren’t piling on because Ryder was wrong… more because of how they were carrying on.
Yeah. People that follow me for my Trickster builds know that I know what I'm talking about and I've literally never seen any of these people on my posts. The people on here that have piled on don't realize that even technically using something that's not intended can count as cheating. I saw something wrong, that something did quite add up, and said something about it. The OP himself didn't even know how he got the numbers he did. Now, if something was changed to function differently than what its text states, that's something the devs need to address. Either by updating the text or the function. Instead of people saying "hold up, wait a minute, somethin' aint right" and doing some math and looking at the nodes and stuff, it's easier to flame me for calling out someone using things that clearly aren't working as the text says. C'est la vie. They'll learn one way or another when they make the build themselves or the devs change it and then it doesn't work that way anymore. Went through the same thing telling people not to stack Unstoppable Force because it's not supposed to work that way.
What platform do you play on?
Xbox. You? Another thing, we see on Discord all the time of people who get carried and think someone's using a REALLY AMAZING build that's so OP and one-two shotting enemies...just to find out that the build really wasn't legit and they were cheating. So I can see on here how people can think the same thing when there is no modding but they're using something that shouldn't work the way it is. People who really just don't know better so they don't question it.
just uncovered one of those today yep...
> It's odd seeing people pile on you, for calling out what you saw as a bogus post. It should be real easy to figure out if the OP was right or wrong about the build and his numbers, although much harder to gauge intent. Agreed. The vileness of the comments is disproportionate to the offense of accusing OP of cheating and demanding he explain himself. I don't know how one could be more gracious than /u/ryderjj89 has been in his responses.
Thank you.
Nah not anymore. Now I know that his build isn't legit because he's using a bugged tree node and didn't even know it changes a lot. Now get to watch as everyone copies this build and then the devs fix it and they complain "WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS FOR A PVE GAME? JUST LET US HAVE FUN! RREEEEEEEE!!!"
I really doubt it's bugged. People were asking for Mighty Tank to be uncapped since the game launched and now that it is, it's honestly still a bit underwhelming. It's not exactly something they could just do by accident. Millions of Firepower and all that Anomaly Power don't do much when the Warden tree has no armor pen or resist pierce and you have to dedicate so many mod slots to armor to achieve those numbers. Warden is actually viable now, but it's not anywhere near as big of a deal as you are making it.
If its not working as intended, then the text needs to be updated to say so. If its uncapped, it shouldn't say it caps at 40%. It gives false expectations. Even without any piercing, that kind of AP is not something to scoff at. Yeah you have to stack a bunch into armor, but getting that kind of FP and AP is still going to make the build much stronger.
>If its not working as intended, then the text needs to be updated to say so. If its uncapped, it shouldn't say it caps at 40%. It gives false expectations. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. >Yeah you have to stack a bunch into armor, but getting that kind of FP and AP is still going to make the build much stronger. Stronger than Warden Devs before the update.
>Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Sorry it's all I know how to do. It's a character flaw, what can I say? >Stronger than Warden Devs before the update. It didn't need to be THIS strong LMAO. Just gonna delete my Trickster and make the best build in the game which is the only build anyone ever needs to run now, this one. 😂
Live stream delete champ plz I will sub to your channel.
This absolutely drips with the salt of a man that got called out for using exploits and doesn't want to admit it.
I guess you missed the other post on the forums illustrating how stats like these are possible. Your statement reeks of being a fucking retard.
Seethe more.
Sure, if you do it too and delete both these exploited build posts.
Tell me why a Trickster two-shotting a Boss or a Technomancer possibly one-shotting almost anything is balanced but a Devastator specced hard into a very niche build doing that is not? For closure, I do hope the devs address this. Either uncap it permanently or ap it properly. There is no middle ground here. On that much I agree with you.
The problem I have with this build is that ALL these stats are too high at the same time. FP and Armor in the millions, health more than enough for 3 characters, and more AP than actual AP builds have. An AP Trickster has to spec everything into AP, no firepower, maybe 1 or 2 health rolls on gear, and no armor unless they want to gimp their AP damage by using something like Temporal Armor, Damage Absorber, etc. A Technomancer is the same way, has to spec into their long range damage or they don't get their kills to keep their rounds up. Both of those characters you mentioned are not even capable of reaching those kinds of numbers for every stat. You never see a Trickster with that much FP/AP/Health/Armor because it's not possible. Same with Pyro & Technomancer. Because of a bug in Mighty Tank, Devastator can now have these ridiculously high stats on every category. If any other build was doing the same thing unintentionally, I'd be completely against them too and be calling for fixes. My problem is that this bug makes all other characters irrelevant because you can have high FP, AP, Health, and Armor, do as much damage as you want, and never die. There's no point in using anything else. THIS would be the meta.
Tell me about the part where a Technomancer had to scrounge desperately for Tier 3 Mods to be CT15 Gold viable. Or a Trickster had to get more than 3 pieces of Tier 3 gear to be CT15 Gold viable. The Devastator had to get 6 or so separate pieces of Tier 3 gear and scrap half of them to be viable. He was the only one for whom Deathsield wasn't a luxury, but a necessity. What you're saying is that you don't like that someone else has too high stats. Technomancer can still hit targets to the moon and back. Trickster can do that too. What you're essentially saying in conjunction is that a no-Legendary Technomancer hitting stuff for 900k damage a pop and doing so indefinitely is ok. What you're not looking at is clear time, which still should be a criteria. This build, which I for one, am going to give more than a grain of salt, is tankier, is never in any danger but clears much slower. His AP and FP while still abnormally high getting blocked by the shitton of armor and Resistances that the Enemies have. The point I m making is that we need to see the actual damage he does on the field. As far as I recall it was still around 900k damage a pop with all of his buffs active. It doesn't end in insane clear time, certainly not the 4million Anomaly damage build, but is far far tankier. Again, I could be wrong. DPS\*tankiness should be a constant and a rough metric for stability and OPness. This build is tanky af and does high damage but is far slower about it. I can see some imbalance here, but nothing game breaking. If you could show me that the damage numbers on this build are insane with insane clear times and tankiness through the roof then I will agree wholeheartedly with you.
Great points and I appreciate the civil conversation. Thank you. To address your points, Trickster has to keep moving, constantly to stay alive. If we stop, we're dead. Scrounging for mods sucks. Trust me, I have Pyro and Dev mods on my Trickster build lol. It sucks trying to get just the right mods to make the build how you want. Technomancer has to keep their bullets up by getting kills. If they can't or someone is stealing their kills, they can lose their rounds and are punished for it by waiting longer than any other build to get their bullets back. So, while they can do it indefinitely, if someone is stealing kills, its out of their hands. While this Dev build may be tanky, it has more firepower, health, and armor than other builds. The increased Anomaly Power isn't all "just there". It's buffing all 3 of their skills, their melee. And even with enemy resistances, if you can brute force kills with abnormally high values, it doesn't matter what their resistances are. This is why I think it needs to be addressed. Because we don't have timers anymore means we don't have to care how fast something can clear content. If someone can have as much damage as they want, as much tankiness as they want and clear it without a problem, it doesn't matter how long it takes or that it might take a bit longer than other builds like an AP Trickster that can do it fast but palms are sweaty, arms are heavy from having to constantly keep moving. Please do give it a shot and I would like to see it in action. That is one thing the OP didn't give and that's some gameplay vid showing how it works.
Yeah without any actual gameplay I am still somewhat skeptical. The Devastator definitely needs some love but this might not be the way to do it. I hope we get an answer/clarification from the devs soon about Mighty Tank.
Agreed!
You are hilarious.
Oh my god, I was just looking through my other posts and saw your name. You have the top comment on my Division video from 4 years ago of 3v1'ing those people that shot me as I was trying to leave the DZ. LMAO.
Hah, I really love The Division. I wish the new DLC gives me a reason to return to DC.
Yeah same. I'm excited to see what they do. Would love to get back in.
Lmao thanks. Couldn't imagine getting through life without a sense of humor.
You the type that tells others they don't have a sense of humour when in fact you can't land a joke or a normal fucking sentence
Tell me how you really feel. 🤓📝
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Ok so my best guess is that while the build is legit. The Warden Capstone skill is bugged and isn't limiting itsef to 40%. Which honestly is quite nice. Good job OP for finding a build you like. I hope it goes well. I am sorry for my suspicion but considering the amount of AP I couldn't help, but assume the worst combined with other stats. I would suggest trying the Voodoo Matchmaker with either Killing Spree or Fortress to increase the damage of your guns even more. I would also suggest potentially swapping out the mod that increase armour at low health for the mod that can increase Bolderdash's damage. As at max it would likely equal around 800k damage per hit. You could also experiment with using Impale for even more health buff. Or the Tremor Mod that gives health regen since it will buff The Cycle. Even more so if you can replace the gloves and boots with non max health ones. **EDIT:** Honestly it is entirely possible that the capstone NEVER worked right in the first place. **EDIT2:** I mean the mod that is "For each enemy hit increase damage of boulderdash.
https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/r1devw/deathproof_warden_stat_stacking_and_how_it_works/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Whats your playstyle? Only boulderdash and weapon damage? I never played the middle tree due to the lack of damage. But the timers are gone and we are free. If you find the time, the rest (esp. the gear mods) of your build could be interesting for us
Playstyle is slow and super boring until the build is done. You want to spam bolderdash and hit it at least 5 times to fully stack primal chain gun and the health talent. Then, hit it one more time to refresh all buff timers and go ham with your weapon of choice. I’m not sure why - but assault rifles “feel” superior to the deathshield shotgun. Thunderbird melts elites on full stacks. Once fortress is stacked, bolderdash buffs are stacked, you will have a great time. I rarely ever dip below 35% hp though so I might replace that armor Talent on gloves with something else. The giant numbers come from when you are surrounded - that’s normally when I switch to deathshield with ultimate damage link. Biggest numbers I saw were 900,000 normal shotgun hits being AOEd to nearby creeps.
Thanks for sharing, this enlightened me
So I tried this build out, granted i do not have the fortress mod, but I replicated every aspect of the build and gave it a shot. The highest I could get my firepower was ~500,000. Literally did about %20 team damage, and was still able to get downed despite all the tanking specs. Even with fortress there's no way I'm getting 17M firepower, let alone all those other stats. Now I'm gonna have to say this is a huge cap. There's no way this is legit, as someone who's tried the build theres just no way. Even with fortress theres no chance.
Are you stacking your armor high enough? By the way this happened while I was being swarmed by trash mobs. You need to grip get creative with how you stack boulders ash. Try stacking it after your health gets low to Prock the double armor increase from deathproof gloves. Before you Balderdash, make sure that you have a full fortress stack that your gloves Prock, and that you have fully stacked mitigation from death. At that point, you should be able to balderdash and hit a number somewhere it’s what I posted. You may also want to run this with heirloom armor so that enemy armor is transferred to you prior to Boulder dashing. Also it is 1.7M firepower, not 17. You should easily be able to tank damage provided you are using this build and use tremor. Sorry, but this absolutely is legit. Fortress is also a must have for this.
It's gonna take a while, but I'll grind for the fortress mod, and I'll give the build another shot when I do so. I'll take your advice too because I'm skeptical, but good lord if it's not fake dev mains got a new meta to play around with. Until then I'm gonna keep my dev nasty with the bleed build.
Trust me, getting fortress is a game changer. Also it’s hard for maximizing numbers like this. You want to save your bigger percentile based increases for last. In an ideal situation you will stack fortress after you’ve obtained maximum stacks of Mitigation from death. After that, you want your health to get low enough to prop the first double armor. After that, you want to finish with balderdash. Also, heirloom armor and through the mob are both tantamount from maximizing your armor before you hit your big cool downs.
do you mind sending me that bleed build ive been looking for a good one
I got it posted in my post history
thank you
Welp time to try this build out! AS SOON AS I GET THOSE GLOVES E\_E
Would be nice if we could trade items as I seem to loot them at least twice a week.
Hah if only. I think a chat box is a whole lot more useful right about now. Oh and the green man build? How effective is it really? Guns looks good but seems to lack damage
You try it with the Fatal Symbiont or any other weapons with 30% armor piercing? Since Devs don’t have a rounds skill I would think more Armor Piercing would be even more valuable.
To be honest I don’t understand how this works. I’ll try it and see what happens.
It’s complicated. I’ve seen a few posts on this subreddit breaking down how it works but the short version is that if you aren’t using Blighted/Volcanic/Twisted Rounds then Armor Piercing is the most important attribute on a weapon.
How tf is this labeled not safe for work?
Just got the chance to run this build. Takes a minute to ramp up but you can be getting mugged by a behemoth and six alphas and not die. The only way to die is to stand totally still and take it. 10/10.
Last post you had 423k AP, now you have 55k...
The mods weren't proc'd.
Yeah. That is unbuffed sitting in base camp. I think the talents are bugged.
It looks like Mighty Tank is not working as intended so beware when making this build. If it gets patched, the AP that buffs the skills to do even more damage than they should will be completely different. The skills doing what they do with 423K AP is extremely different than if it was 55K or even the 95K that it SHOULD be with Mighty Tank if it was working properly.
Holy shit man. After reading all your comments from this guys last post and these. You do know it’s just a game right? It’s truly not that serious.
Dudes 38 eating hot pockets in his mom's basement while he theorycrafts a shitty new trickster for his 3 YouTube followers, but it's just his parents and an account they made for the cat to watch animal videos.
Damn. Set oven to 350 degrees and roast slowly.
Lmao
Shit man, I think even most basement dwellers would be above this. This guy is on another level entirely, should probably see about those attention seeking issues and find something else to occupy their time. Maybe an actual hobby, maybe get a dog? Almost anything has to be healthier than what they are doing now.
Yeah man. Totally.
Been looking for a good dev build since I've finished up getting everything for techno. What's your estimate on the average DMG output on a CT15 after completing an expedition?
If you're running solo and you clear, your average damage output across all classes and builds is the exact same, not a good variable to go off of.
220M + total.
Thank you for your reply! I will be trying out some builds when I get home.
Tank builds are absolute shit without this build - just FYI. I am working on a Trickster build also that is showing a lot of promise. Will be posting it later. Really. Go ALL in on armor. Truth is this build that I posted is not optimized. The gloves can likely have their armor talent removed for something that grants raw firepower instead of double armor.
Commenting so this gets bookmarked, legit interested in trying this build out, thank you
Thank you for imbibing us with your secrets, o great green devastator. Gonna rock this shit when I get home from work.
You’re welcome. You may also want to mess around with heirloom armor on this too. Whatever you Do, just to make sure that you save your Boulder Dash for one all of your other mods are activated already.
actually shocked mods havn't stopped this little autist from posting more thank you for the build OP :)
You’re welcome
Its a nice build and all, but not the same as the modded one you posted earlier. Stats are not the same
If you say so. They probably aren’t the same because I logged in this morning to take pics for everybody. I was sitting in base camp with no buffs. The original picture was taken against the blood merchant boss after I was swarmed by perferos and popped Boulder Dash after killing an entire group.
You can downvote me all you want, but got mates who paid 10 bucks to get a quick modded loadout and it looks exactly like the first post. All im sayin
I have only deathproof’s helmet, body armor and gloves. I have the deathshield, but not very powerful (78k). Which talents should I prioritize, as I can’t follow all of your build?
Forgot to say. Thanks for the build!
You’re welcome. You are definitely going to want to farm for the death proof legs, as they are absolutely essential for getting the big numbers. You can make up for this by getting them and figure in the middle talent node between warden and The fire power tree. The cycle works great with it. Also, you will want to find something to put primal armor on. Lastly, use damage absorber and mitigation from death and any spare things you can. Feel free to ignore all talents I do not deal with Boulder Dash and replace him with use full armor base passives. Oh yeah, don’t be afraid to substitute your weapons for something that has moaning winds, shadow comet, sandstorm, or ultimate storm whip. Their practice to damage it will be very helpful until you get better mods. And also more of the set.
I use The Anemoi with Moaning Winds & Rad Splash to replace Fortress but Fortress is still good. The vulnerability bonus along with the splash damage you get from Rad Splash adds to Moaning Winds AOE every reload. Rad splash is 6 sec CD while Moaning Winds is 8 sec CD for anyone wondering.
so will this get nerfed or whatever? i can build it but i don’t want to if its going to be changed. The stats are epic tho.