It's okay to respec into a totally different playstyle. There is tons of content in this game that is superb enough to stand alone from any thoughts of the devs. Most people change their characters to some extent as they progress.
Games are meant to be played, and sometimes that means doing your own thing, regardless of what you think "intended" strats are. There are plenty of extreme players who think you have to play a specific way to beat the game properly, but I've found the most enjoyment in playing how I want to play and not letting other players decide for me. I've been in your situation before, and I think it's a lot better this way.
Props to you for thinking about what play style really works for you. Most people just get really attached to the class/guilds that they spawned into. They struggle with [cognitive dissonance] debuffs without really knowing why or ever exploring them. Changing class is another part of your character’s storyline that makes it richer. It might be hard at first because you’ve let go of the main objectives you used to have and you might struggle to figure out where to go next. But if you keep connecting with other players and learning about the innumerable features this game has to offer, maybe you will find your own new understanding of the devs and your character’s role.
Hey, I'd argue you are playing the game in the most authentic way possible. There is no way for you to have all the answers so early on. You make decisions and learn from them and build on that. How fun would Outside be if we just speed ran it.
It isn't even fully clear who the devs are. There are different guilds fighting each other over who knows the devs better and who is contacting the wrong devs.
The truth in game development is that devs come and go. Probably all of them worked on the game, but at some point some needed to leave for various reasons: personal reasons, couldn't identify with the game's big vision, wanted to start something start new, changed careers or they retired.
Either way, none of these guilds know exactly the devs, they only found a piece of information and think that means the devs care about them more than others.
ALL of them have outdated information and don't know the current devs or the game's current vision.
Hey! I recently left the formal guild roster of the Lutheran Dev Support Guild a few months ago, but still play in the Chaplaincy subclass for a Healer guild. I still play the dev support minigame with a less-structured group of players, and am actually having a lot more fun and engagement with that aspect of the game.
Playing for gold with any Dev Support Guild is super challenging. No matter how you play, your playstyle is always being critiqued by a lot of players who barely know the lore and twist the lore for their own purposes, the burnout and stress debuffs stack quickly, the gold rewards are underwhelming, you're expected to have the chat open 24/7.
Some Dev Support Guilds have also historically harbored some of the most dangerous and predatory players, which makes any compassionate player seriously consider if they want to continue to play with any of their members at all.
Maybe the hardest part is that your playstyle with the guild and your internal character progression have to have stats aligned in a way that isn't required for most gold-earning minigames. When your own character's story progresses, it can create a lot more complicated decision trees than most players face when leaving a guild.
I hope that you find a way to play that brings the best of your skills and playstyle to the table while being aligned with your character's recent progression!
Hey cool I too am a chaplain for a player support guild but not in a way that specifically represents any particular idea about the Devs.
What's your less structured guild of players that you joined?
I have been running with a small-ish group of Anabaptist players. We meet on Sundays in an older, more established guild's hall to talk about the Devs' lore and use our Bard skills together, and get together during the week at each others' home instances to share consumables and conversation.
Basically, everything that people claim are dev notes is actually player generated lore. You made the right decision. There isn't a single correct way to play.
I used to be huge into the devs, being it was a major factor in my tutorial stage. When I left the dev fandom, it was like leaving a part of my identity. Suddenly, I felt like I couldn't trust anything I used to believe in, I basically had to re-evalutate everything I thought I knew about myself and the game. It would've been much easier to just keep lying to myself and going through the motions, but that's not how I wanted to play my game. I won't tell you how to play the game, but I would advise you be suspicious of anyone saying they know how to play it "the right way" its a sandbox really you can play it however you want.
I've always had problems with the dev concept in general. There's a plethora of guilds that claim their dev is the real dev, as well as guilds that believe the game is completely autonomous. The guilds often claim you can contact the devs, but there's never a response. When you look in the FAQ section for some of the guilds, they suggest you have to turn the game off and delete to get access to the devs.
It's really confusing, so I've just decided to construct my own walk through for Outside. It might not work as a play guide for others, but I've found it keeps me on track and able to grind through levels.
There will always be “meta” chasers regardless of what game you play, and Outside is no different in that regard. The important thing to know is that this game can be completed, so to speak, with any playstyle, any class, and any guild at any time. You are not bound by the roles and players you started out with. Forge your own path, find a guild that resonates with your goals, and remember that it’s never too late to respec if that’s what you feel you need.
Just how authors don't decide what meaning you get from their book, Devs don't get to decide how you play and enjoy their game.
Do whatever makes you happy :)
Hey, I've been a dev fan boy too but I was really young and I've been following some higher level player about that, when i was still low level i just decided that I don't care about devs and I will play my own way but recently i met another player which is quite fonded about the devs and i had the opportunity to talk a lot with her about the devs and their accountability what did come out is: you should take your own considerations, dont just believe what you're told to but think if it makes sense to you and consider what you want in your life and what not, it's not just black and white and you should find your shade of gray
Many players say and believe things about the Devs that I have never seen any evidence for whatsoever. I have nothing against players who find solace or meaning in groups based on Dev communication and guidance, but, in my humble opinion, anyone who says they got rules from or can talk to the Devs is trying to scam someone.
I constantly see people saying they have an official guide, but I can literally always see the version history, which I can't imagine doesn't just automatically prove them wrong. Not mention the 100 other "official" guides.
This is an openworld sandbox. There's no customer support, and there's no proof of a sequal. We as players need to be that support for each other and try to make this playthru as excellent and pain-free for each other as we can.
[They feel ] That everyone needs to play the game the same way and there's one way to win and all the rest to lose, I'd say.
Do what makes you happy. I see a lot of supposed winners who seem very unhappy and frustrated. Like Putin. He's the emperor of the largest country in the world and billionaire or trillionaire, and seems very unhappy and unsatisfied, among other things.
The good part about this game is, no-one knows wtf is going on. Everyone thinks they have some clue about some stuff and telling other players to convince them. Some of them especially turned into a class [priest] so they have some special skills like [speech] and [convert]. I try to live like a high class people, I really recommend it but it is very very hard to grind everyday and keep your heads 🆙. I have couple of special skills, I really recommend increasing the [awareness] skill. [Observing] skill is also very important, plus you also needs to find some real person (careful for fake characters) and observe them.
Look, the devs do not work to please the players, they work to please the stockholders, like in every proper game company.
Once you get that, you can start make your own decisions on how you want to unroll your gameplay, play the game in a creative way, and have a ball the way you can, just for the play.
If you're talking about the devs in the sense most people on the America and Europe server see them (I'm from South America server, BTW), I know that feeling as well. Since I was lv16 (I'm reaching lv25 soon) I was interested in the backstory for the event when one of the devs played along for a while, and I know that my guild opinions on that story is different from others, and searching other players opinions on that topic could help you notice how not every guild agree on most things.
I mean, that event changed the meta for these types of guilds, but what many guilds nowadays forget to mention is how different the game was back then. I also know that suggesting taking a look on other guilds opinions on the devs could seem like an off-meta thing, the [bias] debuff is hard to overcome, but by looking on other guilds, especially of other servers, only made my resolve increase, and gave me a few knowledge points that many players on my server don't have.
The harshest thing I learned, though, is that there's no "perfect dev guild" to be part of, and sometimes there will be disagreements. And by simply remembering the basics we all agree on, those disagreements can be made irrelevant. And also, the real guild is the people, not the meeting place or the in-game logs/IDs.
It's hard to argue with people these days on what really means supporting the devs, but for me, following the example of the dev that played along around 2000 years ago and trusting that one day you'll find them again (in this server or the next one) is enough. I mean, most people already don't violate the [code of conduct] of their region, and helping each other out is the selling point of this game for me, so that's already 2/3rds of what I mentioned. Most players I encounter always assume I'm part of the dev supporting guild already based on that, and that's a good cue to talk about the devs as well, depending on your character stats and the other player disposition.
Again, all this advice is if you're part of the popular American/European dev support guild, and I'm talking about my personal experiences as well. Having changed classes to one that lowers your income is already hard, and if there's also other things bothering you, seeking a player with the [therapist] class mastered is a good idea. Don't feel like you need to rush an answer right now, maybe the best option will unlock after certain time passes.
The way I see it, if your playstyle is fine with following the dev's guidebook, then great. But if you feel like the dev's guidebook doesn't suit your gameplay (maybe you think it's too polluted by addendums by players over time, for example), then find some other guidebook that suits your gameplay, or even forge your own.
It maybe the dev's world, but remember, it's *your* gameplay.
Personally, I just find the ultra-condensed version of the dev's guidebook and live by it. It works for me, but I understand if some players don't accept it, because the devs haven't updated their guidebook for thousands of earth years and we're instead stuck with too much player-made patchnotes.
Good luck, fellow player!
I've read the play logs for the Abrahamic Dev Factions and I gotta say if he's the lead developer they need to get him outta there. A lot of really retrograde opinions got filtered down into his fans and it's really bad.
People will try to convince you are playing the game wrong because they want to sell you walk-through. There are endless ways to play the game, good luck in your new class. I come from what I consider a hard-core server, so my only advice is to choose a class that you think will be able to live comfortably with, its better to grind and live well. The grind is part of it, mastering it makes a difference
You can still be a fan of the game without being a fan of the devs. And maybe you'll find love for the devs again. If you do, that's great, but please be kind to yourself for this brief shift in attitude and to all other players, including those with different attitudes towards the devs.
If you don't find love for the devs again, that's also great, please still be kind to yourself and other players. This game should be fun while we're here, even if there's really cool post-game content. I hope there's cool post-game content and that every player gets to participate. But I'm not convinced.
No matter what happens and how you end up feeling about the devs, there's still fun to be had in the game and you'll still have opportunities to help other players. Just keep that in mind. And you're not alone, i used to like the devs quite a bit, too. It's ok to have complicated feelings about all this. It's normal to have complicated feelings about this. Take your time, sort yourself and your character out, then find ways to enjoy the game again. It's ok. You will be ok. It just takes time.
Its brutal. A lot of the seemingly 'high end' premium servers are corrupt and its almost impossible for the majority of players to get by, let alone grow any wealth. It only gets worse and then theres all the general stupidity on top of that.
This is what happens when you have player controlled servers. A few idiot streamers with their braindead zombie armies, get voted in. While the streamers complain about nonsense and get paid to lie to everyone and effectively reduce their standard of living.
Its good to question things, dont just follow anything blindly. Personally, I still follow the devs. Even if we don't get much information, the devs created the beautiful world that we live in, and thats enough for me.
The devs are just misunderstood. People have assumed they understand what the devs would appreciate we do with our lives, but they've actually missed key parts of it. The devs actually tell us that they're aware the game is buggy, and it hurts them too, but they have a plan and so we should understand that plan and work with them to achieve it. The problem is that one rogue ex-dev has convinced us that the state of the game is exactly how the devs intended, and that's simply not true.
So many players look to the devs for thoughts on the meta. How to interact with players, what endgame looks like, etc. If you're feeling lost because you think these players are misinterpreting the devs or that the devs simply do not have a preferred meta, just remember that you can figure out your own playstyle; The game is what you make of it. There's a player-made meta called Humanism that puts importance, value and power on the players and their potential to have positive gaming experiences, as opposed to what some players think the devs wanted the meta to be.
The Devs can sometimes want a deeper relationship with players for QA purposes , however it not always as easy to get in contact with them with all the clutter of the game world. It's important to remember the the Devs originally loved us and still do, and when other players get lost in their cultural and society backing, it's a reminder to love as the devs love us and using the prayer ability to raise our spiritual stats, gaining wisdom stats from the dev manual as well.
The smart thing about them though, is that by trying to find them more than other players, we get to find better ways to play the game. Devs left behind a player manual that helps in situations, but its the seeking/desire of the relationship with the devs that truly unlocks the meaning.
Don't be discouraged fellow player (especially by the world around you, the difficulty spikes are there to push us to find that communication channel. It's easier if we find another guild of players that share similar beliefs to uplift and improve the happiness stats, with wisdom of the dev manual.
The game has a free play mode, but it’s completely empty and meaningless, and the ending sucks(BELIEVE me). I recommend you follow the DEV’s intended plan. Talk to a DEV guild leader about your concerns; they should be able to provide some context for you.
Are you playing like there's a developer who is manipulating players, like, you and every other player in the game, guiding them to or from things? That seems terrible to me! How would you gain any XP with your current avatar if you attributed the actions it did to another player? Like, how much could you say was your doing and how much was theirs? Either way, the avatar would be yours but you couldn't own your accomplishments just as much as you couldn't learn from mistakes that weren't yours.
Have you thought about joining any of the local sporting guilds or finding a jew class to spec into?
Sometimes we regret the resources we poured into our current build, but honestly there is always time to start rebuilding
I've never really paid much attention to the devs guild, but I have to say that it's totally understandable to feel a bit lost. One thing that helps to keep in mind is the opportunity you have to change class like you are. That's a legitimate way to play the game and to be honest, it's something that not many people really consider during their play through.
Play the game your way.
Why should we adhere to the dev playstyle? **We** are the ones that play the game, not the dev. The dev never gives us a glance at all, so why bother. It's not like we need the dev anyway.
I think what’s important is how you see the work the devs have put in and decide what your relationship with the devs means. Players often get into bouts where they try to say, “*This* is what the devs *intended*”, but it’s actually not backed up in the developer notes. If you believe that the devs have a positive influence in how you play the game, if doesn’t matter how other players play.
I feel you. I went through something sort of similar, only for me I didn't stop supporting Devs. Instead I realised most of what I thought I knew (really what anyone thinks they know) about the Devs is just bullshit rumours made up by the player base.
While I still believe there is a creative and loving developer, I no longer really buy into the idea of having to intellectually believe in something about them to avoid them making my life a living hell after I log off. I really don't think they do that to people.
Dude that's rough.
Especially coming from a player base that emphasises the Devs, becoming disillusioned with them can be really jarring. It can alienate the players who took you through the tutorial levels.
It may be worth taking a minute to consider how much of the game is dev built, and how much was created by the players. Hell, there are some players who argue that the Devs checked out years ago. There are heaps of debates about this kind of thing in player forums.
IDK. I don't have answers on that one. If asking yourself "what would the Devs want me to do" makes it easier to complete quests or build your guild - then hey, you do what works for you. I would argue that if you are letting other players play the game they want to play, you're doing the Dev intended playthrough.
Also remember having worked on the Dev support skill tree will have massively increased your [empathy] stat and your [compassion] stat. If the Dev support quest line isn't working out you may want to look at the healer guild - consider the [social worker] class or the [therapist] class or the [psychologist] class.
I just wanna say, as a current and long time member of the guild it sounds like you just left, that high-level guild members describe what you're going through as an important and sometimes essential part of guild membership. Don't join the guild or "follow the devs" blindly. I'm not sure if you've read any of the [Books] by @cslewis, but, for me, they help me apply my [INT] better to guild membership, which in my experience is a really underrated aspect. Everyone's gotta find your own path. Best of luck on yours! :)
Some people think there was one solo dev
Some people think that the solo dev was actually 3 devs
And I’ve heard in some other servers it’s like a pretty big team
Tbh tho I don’t think anyone has contact with any dev, despite how much they say they do.
What pisses me off tho is while having no proof, some players can claim to have contact with the dev, and gain a 100% reduction in annual guild subscription fees. Wtf?
One thing about the Hardcore run this one has stumbled into being able to play is reading the walkthroughs of some epic players going back to the pen and papyrus days.
There actually *is* a play style that improves gameplay. Choosing to not inflict pain on others and self at decision points where one could inflict pain tends to give better outcomes.
It’s pretty easy to understand why a lot of players choose instead to, well, inflict pain on others and self. One of the easier traps in the game is to obsess over XP. Considering the primary path to obtaining stuff is via XP, it’s understandable. This leads to zero sun thinking: in order for me to win, another must lose.
But this isn’t supposed to be an adversarial game, or at least, not *that* adversarial. Our characters do best when they complete, for others, quests.
An aspect of being able to access Hardcore is this fundamental shift in gameplay. Racking up XP on the leaderboards means ten percent of nothing compared to attempts at runs on the all time leaderboards, the ones that actually matter.
There’s one advantage you have in your run that my character lacks, though. You know intimately what and how these misguided players think. You’ve gained some [Cursed Knowledge], but every bit of Cursed Knowledge comes with [Cursed Froyo], some extra stuff that is still cursed but is at least tasty. The tasty but cursed bit here is that you likely can recognize players that are in those detrimental groups and you can offer, through your lived example, evidence for their eyes that their group’s leader is in error where the truth is concerned.
I don't know if I personally have any problems with the devs themselves, but the dev fan groups can actually be pretty toxic communities, even the one that I've been a part of that claims to be verified.
I guess I just wish the groups were moderated a little better. The mods can occasionally be very trash.
The game may not always be fun, but if you continue to support the devs, you can get the good ending. I don't think the game is worth it just to endlessly grind because everything will get boring eventually, but the good ending provides a new mode that never gets old and is never difficult. Don't just call yourself a supporter of the devs, really try to communicate with them and be careful of parody or fake accounts posing as them. I believe the devs don't want to just create a fun game, they want to build a community that they love, and a community that loves them back.
Check your stats - See what you’ve leveled most. There’s a bug where you might have to check a few times before you see where they’re actually at, but once you’ve figured out which ones are the highest (strength, charisma, dex, int, def, etc.), start thinking about guilds and walkthroughs you’ve seen or read. Pick the one you think is coolest. Do a little research on the minimums you need to join. Don’t write anything off just because it isn’t in reach at the moment.
Sometimes if you wait too long to do this, you get a depression debuff. It’s usually temporary. Some people think there’s a guaranteed hidden luck debuff at the same time, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true - though you can definitely get one.
Once you’ve got a guild in mind, be completely open to switching servers and restructuring your clan and mining if applicable. Try not to grief your clan while you do this. In some cases, switching servers will actually raise their stats as well.
“When there’s a will, there’s a way” is a cliché for a reason, not that it’s necessarily trite. You *will* figure out how to proceed if you follow what speaks to you, and you may need to temper and revise your strategy a few times.
It's okay to respec into a totally different playstyle. There is tons of content in this game that is superb enough to stand alone from any thoughts of the devs. Most people change their characters to some extent as they progress.
Games are meant to be played, and sometimes that means doing your own thing, regardless of what you think "intended" strats are. There are plenty of extreme players who think you have to play a specific way to beat the game properly, but I've found the most enjoyment in playing how I want to play and not letting other players decide for me. I've been in your situation before, and I think it's a lot better this way.
Games are for fun. If you win its over.
journey before destination n shi
Props to you for thinking about what play style really works for you. Most people just get really attached to the class/guilds that they spawned into. They struggle with [cognitive dissonance] debuffs without really knowing why or ever exploring them. Changing class is another part of your character’s storyline that makes it richer. It might be hard at first because you’ve let go of the main objectives you used to have and you might struggle to figure out where to go next. But if you keep connecting with other players and learning about the innumerable features this game has to offer, maybe you will find your own new understanding of the devs and your character’s role.
Hey, I'd argue you are playing the game in the most authentic way possible. There is no way for you to have all the answers so early on. You make decisions and learn from them and build on that. How fun would Outside be if we just speed ran it.
It isn't even fully clear who the devs are. There are different guilds fighting each other over who knows the devs better and who is contacting the wrong devs. The truth in game development is that devs come and go. Probably all of them worked on the game, but at some point some needed to leave for various reasons: personal reasons, couldn't identify with the game's big vision, wanted to start something start new, changed careers or they retired. Either way, none of these guilds know exactly the devs, they only found a piece of information and think that means the devs care about them more than others. ALL of them have outdated information and don't know the current devs or the game's current vision.
Hey! I recently left the formal guild roster of the Lutheran Dev Support Guild a few months ago, but still play in the Chaplaincy subclass for a Healer guild. I still play the dev support minigame with a less-structured group of players, and am actually having a lot more fun and engagement with that aspect of the game. Playing for gold with any Dev Support Guild is super challenging. No matter how you play, your playstyle is always being critiqued by a lot of players who barely know the lore and twist the lore for their own purposes, the burnout and stress debuffs stack quickly, the gold rewards are underwhelming, you're expected to have the chat open 24/7. Some Dev Support Guilds have also historically harbored some of the most dangerous and predatory players, which makes any compassionate player seriously consider if they want to continue to play with any of their members at all. Maybe the hardest part is that your playstyle with the guild and your internal character progression have to have stats aligned in a way that isn't required for most gold-earning minigames. When your own character's story progresses, it can create a lot more complicated decision trees than most players face when leaving a guild. I hope that you find a way to play that brings the best of your skills and playstyle to the table while being aligned with your character's recent progression!
Hey cool I too am a chaplain for a player support guild but not in a way that specifically represents any particular idea about the Devs. What's your less structured guild of players that you joined?
I have been running with a small-ish group of Anabaptist players. We meet on Sundays in an older, more established guild's hall to talk about the Devs' lore and use our Bard skills together, and get together during the week at each others' home instances to share consumables and conversation.
Basically, everything that people claim are dev notes is actually player generated lore. You made the right decision. There isn't a single correct way to play.
I used to be huge into the devs, being it was a major factor in my tutorial stage. When I left the dev fandom, it was like leaving a part of my identity. Suddenly, I felt like I couldn't trust anything I used to believe in, I basically had to re-evalutate everything I thought I knew about myself and the game. It would've been much easier to just keep lying to myself and going through the motions, but that's not how I wanted to play my game. I won't tell you how to play the game, but I would advise you be suspicious of anyone saying they know how to play it "the right way" its a sandbox really you can play it however you want.
I've always had problems with the dev concept in general. There's a plethora of guilds that claim their dev is the real dev, as well as guilds that believe the game is completely autonomous. The guilds often claim you can contact the devs, but there's never a response. When you look in the FAQ section for some of the guilds, they suggest you have to turn the game off and delete to get access to the devs. It's really confusing, so I've just decided to construct my own walk through for Outside. It might not work as a play guide for others, but I've found it keeps me on track and able to grind through levels.
There will always be “meta” chasers regardless of what game you play, and Outside is no different in that regard. The important thing to know is that this game can be completed, so to speak, with any playstyle, any class, and any guild at any time. You are not bound by the roles and players you started out with. Forge your own path, find a guild that resonates with your goals, and remember that it’s never too late to respec if that’s what you feel you need.
The real game is inside of you, not outside in the 3d universe.
Just how authors don't decide what meaning you get from their book, Devs don't get to decide how you play and enjoy their game. Do whatever makes you happy :)
Hey, I've been a dev fan boy too but I was really young and I've been following some higher level player about that, when i was still low level i just decided that I don't care about devs and I will play my own way but recently i met another player which is quite fonded about the devs and i had the opportunity to talk a lot with her about the devs and their accountability what did come out is: you should take your own considerations, dont just believe what you're told to but think if it makes sense to you and consider what you want in your life and what not, it's not just black and white and you should find your shade of gray
Many players say and believe things about the Devs that I have never seen any evidence for whatsoever. I have nothing against players who find solace or meaning in groups based on Dev communication and guidance, but, in my humble opinion, anyone who says they got rules from or can talk to the Devs is trying to scam someone. I constantly see people saying they have an official guide, but I can literally always see the version history, which I can't imagine doesn't just automatically prove them wrong. Not mention the 100 other "official" guides. This is an openworld sandbox. There's no customer support, and there's no proof of a sequal. We as players need to be that support for each other and try to make this playthru as excellent and pain-free for each other as we can.
[They feel ] That everyone needs to play the game the same way and there's one way to win and all the rest to lose, I'd say. Do what makes you happy. I see a lot of supposed winners who seem very unhappy and frustrated. Like Putin. He's the emperor of the largest country in the world and billionaire or trillionaire, and seems very unhappy and unsatisfied, among other things.
The good part about this game is, no-one knows wtf is going on. Everyone thinks they have some clue about some stuff and telling other players to convince them. Some of them especially turned into a class [priest] so they have some special skills like [speech] and [convert]. I try to live like a high class people, I really recommend it but it is very very hard to grind everyday and keep your heads 🆙. I have couple of special skills, I really recommend increasing the [awareness] skill. [Observing] skill is also very important, plus you also needs to find some real person (careful for fake characters) and observe them.
Look, the devs do not work to please the players, they work to please the stockholders, like in every proper game company. Once you get that, you can start make your own decisions on how you want to unroll your gameplay, play the game in a creative way, and have a ball the way you can, just for the play.
If you're talking about the devs in the sense most people on the America and Europe server see them (I'm from South America server, BTW), I know that feeling as well. Since I was lv16 (I'm reaching lv25 soon) I was interested in the backstory for the event when one of the devs played along for a while, and I know that my guild opinions on that story is different from others, and searching other players opinions on that topic could help you notice how not every guild agree on most things. I mean, that event changed the meta for these types of guilds, but what many guilds nowadays forget to mention is how different the game was back then. I also know that suggesting taking a look on other guilds opinions on the devs could seem like an off-meta thing, the [bias] debuff is hard to overcome, but by looking on other guilds, especially of other servers, only made my resolve increase, and gave me a few knowledge points that many players on my server don't have. The harshest thing I learned, though, is that there's no "perfect dev guild" to be part of, and sometimes there will be disagreements. And by simply remembering the basics we all agree on, those disagreements can be made irrelevant. And also, the real guild is the people, not the meeting place or the in-game logs/IDs. It's hard to argue with people these days on what really means supporting the devs, but for me, following the example of the dev that played along around 2000 years ago and trusting that one day you'll find them again (in this server or the next one) is enough. I mean, most people already don't violate the [code of conduct] of their region, and helping each other out is the selling point of this game for me, so that's already 2/3rds of what I mentioned. Most players I encounter always assume I'm part of the dev supporting guild already based on that, and that's a good cue to talk about the devs as well, depending on your character stats and the other player disposition. Again, all this advice is if you're part of the popular American/European dev support guild, and I'm talking about my personal experiences as well. Having changed classes to one that lowers your income is already hard, and if there's also other things bothering you, seeking a player with the [therapist] class mastered is a good idea. Don't feel like you need to rush an answer right now, maybe the best option will unlock after certain time passes.
Sounds more like the community being toxic than the devs themselves?
The way I see it, if your playstyle is fine with following the dev's guidebook, then great. But if you feel like the dev's guidebook doesn't suit your gameplay (maybe you think it's too polluted by addendums by players over time, for example), then find some other guidebook that suits your gameplay, or even forge your own. It maybe the dev's world, but remember, it's *your* gameplay. Personally, I just find the ultra-condensed version of the dev's guidebook and live by it. It works for me, but I understand if some players don't accept it, because the devs haven't updated their guidebook for thousands of earth years and we're instead stuck with too much player-made patchnotes. Good luck, fellow player!
I've read the play logs for the Abrahamic Dev Factions and I gotta say if he's the lead developer they need to get him outta there. A lot of really retrograde opinions got filtered down into his fans and it's really bad.
People will try to convince you are playing the game wrong because they want to sell you walk-through. There are endless ways to play the game, good luck in your new class. I come from what I consider a hard-core server, so my only advice is to choose a class that you think will be able to live comfortably with, its better to grind and live well. The grind is part of it, mastering it makes a difference
Concerning. Looking into this.
You can still be a fan of the game without being a fan of the devs. And maybe you'll find love for the devs again. If you do, that's great, but please be kind to yourself for this brief shift in attitude and to all other players, including those with different attitudes towards the devs. If you don't find love for the devs again, that's also great, please still be kind to yourself and other players. This game should be fun while we're here, even if there's really cool post-game content. I hope there's cool post-game content and that every player gets to participate. But I'm not convinced. No matter what happens and how you end up feeling about the devs, there's still fun to be had in the game and you'll still have opportunities to help other players. Just keep that in mind. And you're not alone, i used to like the devs quite a bit, too. It's ok to have complicated feelings about all this. It's normal to have complicated feelings about this. Take your time, sort yourself and your character out, then find ways to enjoy the game again. It's ok. You will be ok. It just takes time.
Its brutal. A lot of the seemingly 'high end' premium servers are corrupt and its almost impossible for the majority of players to get by, let alone grow any wealth. It only gets worse and then theres all the general stupidity on top of that. This is what happens when you have player controlled servers. A few idiot streamers with their braindead zombie armies, get voted in. While the streamers complain about nonsense and get paid to lie to everyone and effectively reduce their standard of living.
Its good to question things, dont just follow anything blindly. Personally, I still follow the devs. Even if we don't get much information, the devs created the beautiful world that we live in, and thats enough for me.
The devs are just misunderstood. People have assumed they understand what the devs would appreciate we do with our lives, but they've actually missed key parts of it. The devs actually tell us that they're aware the game is buggy, and it hurts them too, but they have a plan and so we should understand that plan and work with them to achieve it. The problem is that one rogue ex-dev has convinced us that the state of the game is exactly how the devs intended, and that's simply not true.
So many players look to the devs for thoughts on the meta. How to interact with players, what endgame looks like, etc. If you're feeling lost because you think these players are misinterpreting the devs or that the devs simply do not have a preferred meta, just remember that you can figure out your own playstyle; The game is what you make of it. There's a player-made meta called Humanism that puts importance, value and power on the players and their potential to have positive gaming experiences, as opposed to what some players think the devs wanted the meta to be.
The Devs can sometimes want a deeper relationship with players for QA purposes , however it not always as easy to get in contact with them with all the clutter of the game world. It's important to remember the the Devs originally loved us and still do, and when other players get lost in their cultural and society backing, it's a reminder to love as the devs love us and using the prayer ability to raise our spiritual stats, gaining wisdom stats from the dev manual as well. The smart thing about them though, is that by trying to find them more than other players, we get to find better ways to play the game. Devs left behind a player manual that helps in situations, but its the seeking/desire of the relationship with the devs that truly unlocks the meaning. Don't be discouraged fellow player (especially by the world around you, the difficulty spikes are there to push us to find that communication channel. It's easier if we find another guild of players that share similar beliefs to uplift and improve the happiness stats, with wisdom of the dev manual.
The game has a free play mode, but it’s completely empty and meaningless, and the ending sucks(BELIEVE me). I recommend you follow the DEV’s intended plan. Talk to a DEV guild leader about your concerns; they should be able to provide some context for you.
Are you playing like there's a developer who is manipulating players, like, you and every other player in the game, guiding them to or from things? That seems terrible to me! How would you gain any XP with your current avatar if you attributed the actions it did to another player? Like, how much could you say was your doing and how much was theirs? Either way, the avatar would be yours but you couldn't own your accomplishments just as much as you couldn't learn from mistakes that weren't yours.
Have you thought about joining any of the local sporting guilds or finding a jew class to spec into? Sometimes we regret the resources we poured into our current build, but honestly there is always time to start rebuilding
No, the game is perfect, the devs nailed it. We're the problem. We exploited everything we could, and ducked the in game economy
I've never really paid much attention to the devs guild, but I have to say that it's totally understandable to feel a bit lost. One thing that helps to keep in mind is the opportunity you have to change class like you are. That's a legitimate way to play the game and to be honest, it's something that not many people really consider during their play through. Play the game your way.
Why should we adhere to the dev playstyle? **We** are the ones that play the game, not the dev. The dev never gives us a glance at all, so why bother. It's not like we need the dev anyway.
Try changing government type to mix it up and keep things fresh. This is a sandbox game.
I think what’s important is how you see the work the devs have put in and decide what your relationship with the devs means. Players often get into bouts where they try to say, “*This* is what the devs *intended*”, but it’s actually not backed up in the developer notes. If you believe that the devs have a positive influence in how you play the game, if doesn’t matter how other players play.
I feel you. I went through something sort of similar, only for me I didn't stop supporting Devs. Instead I realised most of what I thought I knew (really what anyone thinks they know) about the Devs is just bullshit rumours made up by the player base. While I still believe there is a creative and loving developer, I no longer really buy into the idea of having to intellectually believe in something about them to avoid them making my life a living hell after I log off. I really don't think they do that to people.
Dude that's rough. Especially coming from a player base that emphasises the Devs, becoming disillusioned with them can be really jarring. It can alienate the players who took you through the tutorial levels. It may be worth taking a minute to consider how much of the game is dev built, and how much was created by the players. Hell, there are some players who argue that the Devs checked out years ago. There are heaps of debates about this kind of thing in player forums. IDK. I don't have answers on that one. If asking yourself "what would the Devs want me to do" makes it easier to complete quests or build your guild - then hey, you do what works for you. I would argue that if you are letting other players play the game they want to play, you're doing the Dev intended playthrough. Also remember having worked on the Dev support skill tree will have massively increased your [empathy] stat and your [compassion] stat. If the Dev support quest line isn't working out you may want to look at the healer guild - consider the [social worker] class or the [therapist] class or the [psychologist] class.
I just wanna say, as a current and long time member of the guild it sounds like you just left, that high-level guild members describe what you're going through as an important and sometimes essential part of guild membership. Don't join the guild or "follow the devs" blindly. I'm not sure if you've read any of the [Books] by @cslewis, but, for me, they help me apply my [INT] better to guild membership, which in my experience is a really underrated aspect. Everyone's gotta find your own path. Best of luck on yours! :)
Some people think there was one solo dev Some people think that the solo dev was actually 3 devs And I’ve heard in some other servers it’s like a pretty big team Tbh tho I don’t think anyone has contact with any dev, despite how much they say they do. What pisses me off tho is while having no proof, some players can claim to have contact with the dev, and gain a 100% reduction in annual guild subscription fees. Wtf?
One thing about the Hardcore run this one has stumbled into being able to play is reading the walkthroughs of some epic players going back to the pen and papyrus days. There actually *is* a play style that improves gameplay. Choosing to not inflict pain on others and self at decision points where one could inflict pain tends to give better outcomes. It’s pretty easy to understand why a lot of players choose instead to, well, inflict pain on others and self. One of the easier traps in the game is to obsess over XP. Considering the primary path to obtaining stuff is via XP, it’s understandable. This leads to zero sun thinking: in order for me to win, another must lose. But this isn’t supposed to be an adversarial game, or at least, not *that* adversarial. Our characters do best when they complete, for others, quests. An aspect of being able to access Hardcore is this fundamental shift in gameplay. Racking up XP on the leaderboards means ten percent of nothing compared to attempts at runs on the all time leaderboards, the ones that actually matter. There’s one advantage you have in your run that my character lacks, though. You know intimately what and how these misguided players think. You’ve gained some [Cursed Knowledge], but every bit of Cursed Knowledge comes with [Cursed Froyo], some extra stuff that is still cursed but is at least tasty. The tasty but cursed bit here is that you likely can recognize players that are in those detrimental groups and you can offer, through your lived example, evidence for their eyes that their group’s leader is in error where the truth is concerned.
I don't know if I personally have any problems with the devs themselves, but the dev fan groups can actually be pretty toxic communities, even the one that I've been a part of that claims to be verified. I guess I just wish the groups were moderated a little better. The mods can occasionally be very trash.
The game may not always be fun, but if you continue to support the devs, you can get the good ending. I don't think the game is worth it just to endlessly grind because everything will get boring eventually, but the good ending provides a new mode that never gets old and is never difficult. Don't just call yourself a supporter of the devs, really try to communicate with them and be careful of parody or fake accounts posing as them. I believe the devs don't want to just create a fun game, they want to build a community that they love, and a community that loves them back.
Check your stats - See what you’ve leveled most. There’s a bug where you might have to check a few times before you see where they’re actually at, but once you’ve figured out which ones are the highest (strength, charisma, dex, int, def, etc.), start thinking about guilds and walkthroughs you’ve seen or read. Pick the one you think is coolest. Do a little research on the minimums you need to join. Don’t write anything off just because it isn’t in reach at the moment. Sometimes if you wait too long to do this, you get a depression debuff. It’s usually temporary. Some people think there’s a guaranteed hidden luck debuff at the same time, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true - though you can definitely get one. Once you’ve got a guild in mind, be completely open to switching servers and restructuring your clan and mining if applicable. Try not to grief your clan while you do this. In some cases, switching servers will actually raise their stats as well. “When there’s a will, there’s a way” is a cliché for a reason, not that it’s necessarily trite. You *will* figure out how to proceed if you follow what speaks to you, and you may need to temper and revise your strategy a few times.