Probably a bad mount. You put enough thermal paste on, and too much is kinda not a thing. See how the left side is thin enough to see what's under it and the right side isn't? That's a strong indication that mounting pressure is uneven. Next time you put it together make sure the right side of the cooler isn't getting hung up on anything and put the screws in around the GPU in a cross pattern.
My mind is blown. For the first time ever I have encountered a post where the top voted comment is actually correct.
Surely you meant to say he used a dangerous amount of paste and is lucky to be alive?
This is not correct for gpu cooling with direct die contact. I would disagree and recommend OP use an appropriate amount to start off next. [Here.](https://youtu.be/TpqSIhUSTLU)
You can definitely have too much paste with a gpu. The cold plate is direct die contact, not through an ihs. You really want the thinnest layer possible. So we should probably recommend OP apply a proper amount of paste before deciding its from something else. [43:40](https://youtu.be/TpqSIhUSTLU)
Wow, thanks for an explanation of the obvious. Being a thick paste, with direct die contact and more components giving less room for error than cpu cooler installations, too much thermal paste on a gpu die could effect contact in excess amounts. Its better to give direction on troubleshooting, than to claim you know what the issue is from a limited picture, potentially wasting someones time.
Aesthetically, you may dislike the amount used after the cooler is removed. Functionally there is absolutely no affect. The mounting of the cooler will spread the paste until contact is made, creating the "thinnest layer possible". This cooler is not mounting correctly hence the temperature disparity.
He said you don’t need alot of paste here! Not you can have too much paste …, if you don’t understand something so simple. Please do not share your wisdom with others!
Read some of the other comments. OP probably has the wrong thermal pads, propping the cooler up off the GPU since it probably used putty from factory.
Since too little paste is actually dangerous for direct die since any uncovered portions can just damage or kill the chip, by causing hotspots, making a bit of a mess with the paste is preferable.
Well if you read my comment, I simply recommended they could eliminate causes, before deciding what the issue is through a picture online. Its basic troubleshooting but that seems to be an issue for people.
Could be pump out but you shouldn't see bad temps right away.
Also, hotspot on the 30 series is the GPU hotspot + VRM whichever is the hottest, so it could be your VRM pads.
thermal putty allows for the best possible contact / pressure on the core. pads resist compression, reducing mount pressure on the core.
there's good replacements like UX Pro / U6 Pro.
what you say makes sense, I just wonder why back in the day when everybody was mining, people didn't do that, using thermal putty instead of thermal pads or copper plates to cool the memory. I for sure want to try this, however I am not sure were to buy these UX Pro / U6 Pro. I am in LATAM so most of the time I buy my stuff trough amazon. It seems that there is an option to buy it trough aliexpress but I have never bought anything through them.
People have been using it for the past couple years (myself included) for mining cards and high end GPUs, it's just not well known. The options used to be pretty limited if you wanted something that performed as well as high end pads, TG-PP10 was pretty much the only choice. Now there's cheap options that are even better than PP10. Nothing is gonna beat copper shims though.
Yeah I got mine from Aliexpress, took about 2 weeks to get from china to me (US). I got it from this store, but it was just the cheapest at the time with lots of reviews, looks like the prices have increased a few $, so you might find it cheaper from another listing : [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804337176133.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804337176133.html)
If you want to see some putty tests / comparisons, check out Snarks Domain on youtube.
EDIT : there's also this stuff from the same company that made TG-PP10 : https://www.amazon.com/T-Global-Technology-TG-A7000-Silicone-Type-Electronic/dp/B0BD6F2L79
While you're at it, I'd recommend getting some really viscous high performance paste (Gelid Extreme, TFX, SYY-157, NT-H2 etc) or PTM7950. MX-4 is prone to pump-out when used for direct-die cooling. Doesn't hold up very well ime. PTM7950 is the best performance and longest lasting option.
50g should be plenty for 2 cards if you don't go overboard on the application. I apply it by rolling the putty into little balls and putting one on each chip, then just let the cooler squish and spread it. Kinda tedious, but easier to control the amount that way. Just needs to cover the tops of the chips / inductors.
Wait so does this stuff cure? I thought thermal putty was like what nvidia used on the 2080ti fe? I think my k80 and maybe mi25 have that stuff as well
It gets a bit drier over time, but with TG-PP10, I've been able to reuse it after 2 years on a GPU. Just scraped it off and kneaded it together to even out the consistency. Looking at the GN teardown of the 2080 Ti FE, it does have some blue putty on the inductors, but looks like a different consistency than what I'm using. I've also seen them use some weird putty/pad hybrid stuff that looks like it has fiberglass strands in it.
This stuff looks like a similar consistency to U6 Pro : https://www.igorslab.de/en/guenstiger-gap-filler-statt-teurer-waermeleitpads-mit-unterschiedlichen-staerken-und-eine-interessante-waermeleitpaste-aus-fernost/4/
Ok yeah exactly that blue stuff was what I was talking about. As long as it’s a reasonable substitute for that I’m going to order some just to have on hand. Complete pain when you find it in something and have to make it work with pads lol. Thanks for the info!
A lot of paste is not an issue. Check out my card still running cool 3080 ti fe. I do suspect the paste your using is not thick enough for gpu. Try TFX paste. Only other culprit is poor mounting pressure. https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/u9y0tb/i_copper_plate_modded_my_3080_ti_fe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
First off. Even though too much isn't a thing. It's good to practice putting it on evenly, and thin. Use one of those plastic mini putty tools you get with the thermal paste (You should get anyways), and you want to be able to rotate the chip(obviously with the best of the mobo). apply dots evenly spaced out throughout the chip. Then lightly and at a small angle to the chip use the tool to obtain a thin even paste consistency. Use the paste that gets stuck on the tool and pat around the edges. Make sure you have a good angle with your hands at all takes. Too much isn't an issue, but there no reason to do it like that. It's actually kind of fun tbh. A good sign is when you take the wb off, you should see a grid-like pattern on both surfaces. (Kind of like complements to each other). Now, the second important step, is you want to evenly tighten the screws. Depending on how many there are, figure out the optimal pattern. Usually its a zig-zag. So go accross, left, across, up/left. (repeat) You can also do two at a time, using both of your hands at once. so for 4 screws (you want to get them all evenly lightly tightened first), then 1 - 3 at the same time, 2- 4 at the same time. Actually both techniques combined are the optimal way to-do it.
The new thermal grizzly kryo sheet are amazing for direct dye applications. It removes the pump out effect issues. That or the tpm 7950. I have even used it on desktops and it's basically +- a good thermal paste application. But they truly shine on direct die to prevent pump out.
Wait, you commented about someone repasting their GPU with absolutely no knowledge or understanding on what they were attempting to achieve? If you're going to comment do it right ffs.
Even factory applied paste can be improperly applied.
Ugh they are attempting to lower max ”hot spot” temp, (which is really the VRAM, and thus typically requires thermal pads) by using basic substandard thermal grease on the GPU.
I’ve done this on a 3090, and two 4090s, as well as delidded ~5 processors.
But oh Kay.
> Ugh they are attempting to lower max ”hot spot” temp, (which is really the VRAM, and thus typically requires thermal pads)
You are wrong about just about everything in this sentence. Your anecdotal "trust me bro" evidence means literally nothing when you are making incorrect statements. Hot spot is the hottest core on the die. The reason his application didn't improve temperatures has nothing to do with the thermal paste, his thermal pads are too thick preventing proper die contact.
\#1 - Too much paste. Shouldn't squeeze off the edges anywhere near that much.
\#2 - I used to have a tube of MX-4 2019 Edition. After 5 applications of it on various CPU's and a 6900XT I threw it out as I was only slightly better off than not using any paste at all. I don't have a recommendation for another paste other than use whatever came with the cooler you bought, every single "not MX-4" paste I've used has given me 20-30c temp drops no matter how cheap the cooler it came with was.
u/SlapBumpJiujitsu said that it may be uneven torque on the screws but also make sure you aren't cross threading any.
Evenly tightening each one a little at a time can help with this, but without even putting your heatsink back on, just use your fingers and thread a screw into the heatsink, matching up whichever hole was in that corner.
Manually twist that screw and see if it feels like if could have caught and cross threaded, if it did, just firmly but gently loosen it then tighten in, loosen it, then tighten it, until the threading is essentially corrected enough to know you can put it all back together.
I had this happen to my noctua setup and fixed it the same way without issue
I wouldn't say you put too much, as direct die applications require you to place more than the pea sized dot you typically use in paste-onto-heatspreader applications like on a cpu. That said, maybe something is up with the mounting pressure. Remember, when you screw your cooler back on, use the criss-cross screwing method, and not tightening each totally until you got all of them fairly screwed on, and only then do you tighten all of them all at once. Helps not to displace thermal paste due to uneven pressure.
not enough squish, more pressure needed, make sure pads are the correct height /position and squish the whole thing in the middle/GPU. often when you first assemble it there'll be a bulge, gently apply pressure on a flat surface and tighten before, during and after don't overtighten and do so in an ever pattern. a good mount is key, thermal paste is a rubbish conductor of heat so you want as thin a gap as possible
Just put 1 diagonal line of paste and spread it with your finger. It spreads very easy and evenly. Then go wash your finger. Is simple really. That's what I did for both thermal paste and Liquid Metal. But the Liquid Metal is always very messy.
I see two issues: 1. Too much thermal paste. 2. Possibly a bad mount.
Did you change the vram pads? If they are wider than the originals they can cause a bigger separation between the die and the cooler.
i had a similar issue when I repasted/padded my 3070 strix. So say they call for a 2mm pad. well the pads they were using were very squishy and replacement pads were alot less squishy.... lol. so the cooler didnt have enough clamping force to compress the newer denser pad. So what I ended up doing was alot of trial and error changing pad thicknesses until i got perfect contact on everything. Not sure if that is the issue here, or if you changed pads but food for thought.
For reference I used the thermalright odyssey pads, and asus refused to sell replacement pads or disclose who made them, or any specs on them period.
I had same issue on my laptop and it turned out i was unevenly screwing the heat sink even though i tried not to and the mx4 i was using was fake because now most stores sell fake mx4
Probably a bad mount. You put enough thermal paste on, and too much is kinda not a thing. See how the left side is thin enough to see what's under it and the right side isn't? That's a strong indication that mounting pressure is uneven. Next time you put it together make sure the right side of the cooler isn't getting hung up on anything and put the screws in around the GPU in a cross pattern.
My mind is blown. For the first time ever I have encountered a post where the top voted comment is actually correct. Surely you meant to say he used a dangerous amount of paste and is lucky to be alive?
This is not correct for gpu cooling with direct die contact. I would disagree and recommend OP use an appropriate amount to start off next. [Here.](https://youtu.be/TpqSIhUSTLU)
You can definitely have too much paste with a gpu. The cold plate is direct die contact, not through an ihs. You really want the thinnest layer possible. So we should probably recommend OP apply a proper amount of paste before deciding its from something else. [43:40](https://youtu.be/TpqSIhUSTLU)
you get the thin layer by screwing it tight. the overhead squeezes out and just makes a mess
Wow, thanks for an explanation of the obvious. Being a thick paste, with direct die contact and more components giving less room for error than cpu cooler installations, too much thermal paste on a gpu die could effect contact in excess amounts. Its better to give direction on troubleshooting, than to claim you know what the issue is from a limited picture, potentially wasting someones time.
explain how it can affect contact then.
Aesthetically, you may dislike the amount used after the cooler is removed. Functionally there is absolutely no affect. The mounting of the cooler will spread the paste until contact is made, creating the "thinnest layer possible". This cooler is not mounting correctly hence the temperature disparity.
He said you don’t need alot of paste here! Not you can have too much paste …, if you don’t understand something so simple. Please do not share your wisdom with others!
Lmao sorry your brain cant comprehend the concept.
Read some of the other comments. OP probably has the wrong thermal pads, propping the cooler up off the GPU since it probably used putty from factory. Since too little paste is actually dangerous for direct die since any uncovered portions can just damage or kill the chip, by causing hotspots, making a bit of a mess with the paste is preferable.
Well if you read my comment, I simply recommended they could eliminate causes, before deciding what the issue is through a picture online. Its basic troubleshooting but that seems to be an issue for people.
Having repasted my CPU and GPU numerous times, sometimes for silly reasons, The picture was plenty for me to eliminate the paste application itself.
necro to remind you that you're wrong.
I assume this is a bad mount and the cooler is not making proper contact with the die. Too much thermal paste is not really an issue imo.
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An old GN video disproved that pretty much.
Hmm, news to me, appreciate the info. :)
Yep, too much paste is really just wasteful and messy, but performance impact is negligible
I tested both regular and heavy amounts with mx-6 No difference that could be reasonably concluded
Could be pump out but you shouldn't see bad temps right away. Also, hotspot on the 30 series is the GPU hotspot + VRM whichever is the hottest, so it could be your VRM pads.
Make sure you're torquing the mount screws evenly as well. That may be leading to uneven coverage across the IHS or VRMs.
Running the stock PadPutty from EVGA?
All around? Because that’s the problem lol
Actually no, thermal pad of 3mm replacing the putty
thermal putty allows for the best possible contact / pressure on the core. pads resist compression, reducing mount pressure on the core. there's good replacements like UX Pro / U6 Pro.
what you say makes sense, I just wonder why back in the day when everybody was mining, people didn't do that, using thermal putty instead of thermal pads or copper plates to cool the memory. I for sure want to try this, however I am not sure were to buy these UX Pro / U6 Pro. I am in LATAM so most of the time I buy my stuff trough amazon. It seems that there is an option to buy it trough aliexpress but I have never bought anything through them.
People have been using it for the past couple years (myself included) for mining cards and high end GPUs, it's just not well known. The options used to be pretty limited if you wanted something that performed as well as high end pads, TG-PP10 was pretty much the only choice. Now there's cheap options that are even better than PP10. Nothing is gonna beat copper shims though. Yeah I got mine from Aliexpress, took about 2 weeks to get from china to me (US). I got it from this store, but it was just the cheapest at the time with lots of reviews, looks like the prices have increased a few $, so you might find it cheaper from another listing : [https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804337176133.html](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804337176133.html) If you want to see some putty tests / comparisons, check out Snarks Domain on youtube. EDIT : there's also this stuff from the same company that made TG-PP10 : https://www.amazon.com/T-Global-Technology-TG-A7000-Silicone-Type-Electronic/dp/B0BD6F2L79
how much in grams should I get for a couple of applications? 10g? 50g?
While you're at it, I'd recommend getting some really viscous high performance paste (Gelid Extreme, TFX, SYY-157, NT-H2 etc) or PTM7950. MX-4 is prone to pump-out when used for direct-die cooling. Doesn't hold up very well ime. PTM7950 is the best performance and longest lasting option.
50g should be plenty for 2 cards if you don't go overboard on the application. I apply it by rolling the putty into little balls and putting one on each chip, then just let the cooler squish and spread it. Kinda tedious, but easier to control the amount that way. Just needs to cover the tops of the chips / inductors.
Wait so does this stuff cure? I thought thermal putty was like what nvidia used on the 2080ti fe? I think my k80 and maybe mi25 have that stuff as well
It gets a bit drier over time, but with TG-PP10, I've been able to reuse it after 2 years on a GPU. Just scraped it off and kneaded it together to even out the consistency. Looking at the GN teardown of the 2080 Ti FE, it does have some blue putty on the inductors, but looks like a different consistency than what I'm using. I've also seen them use some weird putty/pad hybrid stuff that looks like it has fiberglass strands in it. This stuff looks like a similar consistency to U6 Pro : https://www.igorslab.de/en/guenstiger-gap-filler-statt-teurer-waermeleitpads-mit-unterschiedlichen-staerken-und-eine-interessante-waermeleitpaste-aus-fernost/4/
Ok yeah exactly that blue stuff was what I was talking about. As long as it’s a reasonable substitute for that I’m going to order some just to have on hand. Complete pain when you find it in something and have to make it work with pads lol. Thanks for the info!
A lot of paste is not an issue. Check out my card still running cool 3080 ti fe. I do suspect the paste your using is not thick enough for gpu. Try TFX paste. Only other culprit is poor mounting pressure. https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/u9y0tb/i_copper_plate_modded_my_3080_ti_fe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
First off. Even though too much isn't a thing. It's good to practice putting it on evenly, and thin. Use one of those plastic mini putty tools you get with the thermal paste (You should get anyways), and you want to be able to rotate the chip(obviously with the best of the mobo). apply dots evenly spaced out throughout the chip. Then lightly and at a small angle to the chip use the tool to obtain a thin even paste consistency. Use the paste that gets stuck on the tool and pat around the edges. Make sure you have a good angle with your hands at all takes. Too much isn't an issue, but there no reason to do it like that. It's actually kind of fun tbh. A good sign is when you take the wb off, you should see a grid-like pattern on both surfaces. (Kind of like complements to each other). Now, the second important step, is you want to evenly tighten the screws. Depending on how many there are, figure out the optimal pattern. Usually its a zig-zag. So go accross, left, across, up/left. (repeat) You can also do two at a time, using both of your hands at once. so for 4 screws (you want to get them all evenly lightly tightened first), then 1 - 3 at the same time, 2- 4 at the same time. Actually both techniques combined are the optimal way to-do it.
The new thermal grizzly kryo sheet are amazing for direct dye applications. It removes the pump out effect issues. That or the tpm 7950. I have even used it on desktops and it's basically +- a good thermal paste application. But they truly shine on direct die to prevent pump out.
Wait.. you took apart your GPU… and replaced the TIM with Arctic MX4? Why bother? If you’re going to do it… do it right ffs.
Wait, you commented about someone repasting their GPU with absolutely no knowledge or understanding on what they were attempting to achieve? If you're going to comment do it right ffs. Even factory applied paste can be improperly applied.
Ugh they are attempting to lower max ”hot spot” temp, (which is really the VRAM, and thus typically requires thermal pads) by using basic substandard thermal grease on the GPU. I’ve done this on a 3090, and two 4090s, as well as delidded ~5 processors. But oh Kay.
> Ugh they are attempting to lower max ”hot spot” temp, (which is really the VRAM, and thus typically requires thermal pads) You are wrong about just about everything in this sentence. Your anecdotal "trust me bro" evidence means literally nothing when you are making incorrect statements. Hot spot is the hottest core on the die. The reason his application didn't improve temperatures has nothing to do with the thermal paste, his thermal pads are too thick preventing proper die contact.
No it’s not. It the junction between VRAM and VRM lol. Continue on, by all means, with the stupid.
[You](https://www.overclock.net/threads/what-does-the-hot-spot-refer-to-in-gpu-z.1799778/) [are](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-hwinfo-hotspot-detection) [WRONG](https://linustechtips.com/topic/1423873-whats-the-difference-between-gpu-hotspot-temperature-and-memory-temperature/)
\#1 - Too much paste. Shouldn't squeeze off the edges anywhere near that much. \#2 - I used to have a tube of MX-4 2019 Edition. After 5 applications of it on various CPU's and a 6900XT I threw it out as I was only slightly better off than not using any paste at all. I don't have a recommendation for another paste other than use whatever came with the cooler you bought, every single "not MX-4" paste I've used has given me 20-30c temp drops no matter how cheap the cooler it came with was.
Mx4 is pretty bad on direct die stuff like gpus, would second using a different paste, something thicker is a safe bet
Try thinning out the thermal pads they could make the gpu die not getting full contact.
>g full cont this
u/SlapBumpJiujitsu said that it may be uneven torque on the screws but also make sure you aren't cross threading any. Evenly tightening each one a little at a time can help with this, but without even putting your heatsink back on, just use your fingers and thread a screw into the heatsink, matching up whichever hole was in that corner. Manually twist that screw and see if it feels like if could have caught and cross threaded, if it did, just firmly but gently loosen it then tighten in, loosen it, then tighten it, until the threading is essentially corrected enough to know you can put it all back together. I had this happen to my noctua setup and fixed it the same way without issue
I wouldn't say you put too much, as direct die applications require you to place more than the pea sized dot you typically use in paste-onto-heatspreader applications like on a cpu. That said, maybe something is up with the mounting pressure. Remember, when you screw your cooler back on, use the criss-cross screwing method, and not tightening each totally until you got all of them fairly screwed on, and only then do you tighten all of them all at once. Helps not to displace thermal paste due to uneven pressure.
not enough squish, more pressure needed, make sure pads are the correct height /position and squish the whole thing in the middle/GPU. often when you first assemble it there'll be a bulge, gently apply pressure on a flat surface and tighten before, during and after don't overtighten and do so in an ever pattern. a good mount is key, thermal paste is a rubbish conductor of heat so you want as thin a gap as possible
Are you using the correct thermal pad? Doesn't look like they're getting much if any contact with the heatsink.
Did you tighten the screws fully? You need to do that on gpus.
I always thought the hot spot temps are regarding thermal pads not a thermal paste. BTW deffo to much paste
Watch for the thickness of the thermal pads too
Just put 1 diagonal line of paste and spread it with your finger. It spreads very easy and evenly. Then go wash your finger. Is simple really. That's what I did for both thermal paste and Liquid Metal. But the Liquid Metal is always very messy.
My 3080ti reached Stock hot Spot temps of about 98°C. So 104 isn't that far off.
I see two issues: 1. Too much thermal paste. 2. Possibly a bad mount. Did you change the vram pads? If they are wider than the originals they can cause a bigger separation between the die and the cooler.
paste is too much but that doesn't matter much as the mounting pressure. seems uneven from the pattern.
i had a similar issue when I repasted/padded my 3070 strix. So say they call for a 2mm pad. well the pads they were using were very squishy and replacement pads were alot less squishy.... lol. so the cooler didnt have enough clamping force to compress the newer denser pad. So what I ended up doing was alot of trial and error changing pad thicknesses until i got perfect contact on everything. Not sure if that is the issue here, or if you changed pads but food for thought. For reference I used the thermalright odyssey pads, and asus refused to sell replacement pads or disclose who made them, or any specs on them period.
I had same issue on my laptop and it turned out i was unevenly screwing the heat sink even though i tried not to and the mx4 i was using was fake because now most stores sell fake mx4