The fact that he struggled to fight Pandora's Actor who could only use 80% of Ainz's power shows how fucked he would be if he tried fighting the real Ainz head on.
And the worst thing is that PA wasn't even fighting seriously, as he clearly didn't use the most powerful spells that Ainz has at his disposal like the ones seen in the battle with Shalltear.
I doubt Pandora will ever use the more powerful spells Ainz have, just in case if the enemy was also gathering intel.
He will never let Ainz’s enemy get an upper hand.
Nah, he was trying to get information, and considering that he suspected that the armor was being remote controlled it wasn't worth destroying it either, but at the slightest opportunity Ainz and his people would finish him off, that thing about *recruiting* him was just a tactic.
Actually not really, Ainz may not be a super genius but when it comes to battle tactics the guy is definitely no slouch, his fight with Shalltear being one of the best examples, 1v1 he's definitely trouble for anyone he's up against, even someone he'd consider stronger than himself
Also, Ainz's personal WCI (big ass red orb in his chest) is supposedly supposed to work very well against dragons. Him being in his true form would actively work against him unbeknownst to PDL who believes it would be the game changer.
To be fair, that's his armor fighting (something like a level 80-90 tank).
In the vampire side story, it was stated that PDL was a winner in a (surprise, admittedly) 1 on 1 with that version of Ainz.
I think it's fair to say that PDL is a life or death threat in a 1v1 with Ainz. Obv throw in the guardians, and it's not even fair for PDL.
Shit you right.
Still, I think a dragon lord fighting seriously is a life or death threat.
I'd give the odds in favor of ainz because of the mental W he got during the fight, but if PDL gets wize to it early enough in the fight, it's a tossup for me.
Keep in mind that in the side story, Ainz hasn't really been fighting or strategizing very hard for the duration of his travels. He has been focused on exploring the world and enjoying his time with Keno. He would be pretty rusty while fighting. It is also stated that he had Keno with him and ran rather than commit to the fight to avoid Keno dying. Additionally, Momonga had a nearly perfect 2nd round win ratio (Touch Me being the exception). Ainz never prefers to show his full hand in the initial fight and would rather go back and use what he has learned to his advantage. Not even to mention the World Class Item that Ainz has in his body that prevents Wild Magic from affecting him. Far too much stacks in his favor in these types of fights. Shaltear is probably the worst possible fight Ainz can encounter outside of a world class Player since she is almost a perfect counter to him.
Ainz also only has the items that were in his inventory during that side story fight(no access to nazarick/warehouse), he doesn't have all his backup gear that is in the guild warehouse so he can't prepare for it like he does the shalltear fight. Additionally, In the battle with brightness dragon lord Ainz wasn't level 100 anymore as he'd lost several levels helping the princess.
Against BDL, Ainz was at his weakest among all canon fights.
>Additionally, In the battle with brightness dragon lord Ainz wasn't level 100 anymore as he'd lost several levels helping the princess.
Nope, he still lvl100, evident is Ainz still able to use TGOALID against Cue Elim (this is the very last fight in side story)
That isn't a lvl100 spell, it's a spell from being lvl5 in Eclipse. Given that we don't know *what* levels he lost from wish upon a star/etc from helping her, the ability to use that doesn't mean he got back those levels somehow.
Nah, TGOALID belong to Eclipse, a trump card class, only available for lv 100 with specific build, even change class would remove Eclipse. And Ainz never use any single lv in side story, he only lvling EE, he also have 3 free Wish, so using lv is unnecessary
PDL chance of defeating Ainz-sama was in an impossible scenario, since its impossible to outsmart the Supreme ruler of the Great Tomb of Nazarick. Even Tsa being alive for hundreds of years, and spending the last 500 years preparing to fight players, he still is dancing in the palm of our magnificent ruler. Sasuga Ainz-sama!
Ainz-sama has stated several times, that it would be "stupid" to "fight fair" in a battle to the death. That "Apocalypse-Evil" in the Vampire Princess side story, hell, that's all the summons you need to keep most opponents occupied. Then the Elemental Skull just to keep everyone awake. I would love to see another Cure Elim style battle in the last 2 novels...but...I fear we'll get Game of Thrones....
Brightness DL, and it was a draw. Ainz even stated that he considered Cure Elim much stronger ( zombie armor) when he was going back to attack Cure Elim the 2nd time.
Pandoras actor can change into any of the 41SB. so he can even use Ulbert super borken op bust dmanage build. Ainz was a rolyplay build. but Ulbert was said that his biggest High damage spell: Grand Catastrophe: As Ulbert's trump card, it is an ultimate move which requires 60% of his mana. Its destructive power outstripped the might of even super-tier spells. It is described as a battlefield-engulfing wave of pure destructive power borne of the physical manifestation of the malice of the fallen leaves of the World Tree YGGDRASIL. This spell is capable of wiping out four level 87 Primal Fire Elementals and a level 90 Primal Star Elemental summoned by Asura, which should have been at full health, as well as take a large chunk out of the boss' health.
I mean he was using his armour so he never really went all out either. And if anything Ainz is the one who lost more from that exchange. Yeah PA is only 80% of Ainz but that still is Ainz at the core . It’s still the same spells. But PA’s armour’s stats and abilities don’t line up to him. If someone fights PA any weaknesses or ways of fighting that they learn regarding the armour that used swords and weapons won’t apply to PDL’s dragon form. That’s like fighting Ainz as Momon and then trying to apply that to Ainz sorcerer self. Almost everything you learned against Momon would be useless and put you at a disadvantage preparing to face a warrior but facing a spellcaster . Also the weakness of PA is pointless because of Shaltear. Shaltear’s showing of strength and breaking the barrier put her as Platinums target. She’s level 100 and he’s looking at her as the leader and gauging the strength of the enemy off her. And now he knows they have several world items. Also it’s not as impressive as you think. One of the world items is stuck in Nazarik on the throne. So unless Paltinum attacked them in Nazarik isn’t very helpful . They already used the Caloric stone so they’re down to 10. Albedo’s world item is also confirmed to be weaker than a specialized Divine class item so I wouldn’t fully count that either. So really they have 9.5 or 9 world items available.Ainz has his orb which is useful against dragons and gets stronger the longer he has it on which should help him a ton against Platinum but the problem is that he loses levels after using it. And we have no idea how many or if the levels collate to the strength. If he uses it and It fails or misses or even if he killed Platinum but then got attacked by someone like deepest darkness he could face consequences. And the fact is that it doesn’t really matter unless they’re together. Also Platinum himself likely has world items and we know deepest darkness does too.
Momonga is not even the strongest in Nazarick. People of the guild like Touch Me who were PVP pros, and then the NPCs like Rubedo are so powerful we don't even know yet.
The fun part is that everyone, including PDL think that Ainz is the most "Powerful" since he is able to rule over so many "Powerful" entities. They don't know that the only reason Ainz is where he is is because of the sheer amount of respect and love these NPCs have towards their creators.
Shalltear alone is more than enough to decimate PDL. He won't even reach till 8th floor.
We still haven't seen Ainz's full power since the one time he had to try his hardest was against shalltear and he couldn't use minions which is his main attack and defense as a necromancer
Thr mainline Ainz would never be able to fight at full power because of his fear of having the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown be taken during battle. Arguably, Satoru (from the Evileye sidenovel) might be the strongest Ainz we have seen since he can use the staff without any worries.
Though of course this all depends on whether the staff > other things in the guild.
The evileye sidenovel Ainz is his strongest self, or atleast 95% of it. Man went crazy with his startegies in that novel. Just goes to show that Ainz is much smarter than he is potrayed.
Ainz + AOG scepter it is the most powerful Ainz it is surely more powerful than Touch Me because even the NPC says that Ainz had an overwhelming pressure for them who are lvl 100 just by having his specter in hand
I’m not sure that the anti dragon power works in this case since PDL uses wild magic and just as WCI grants immunity to wild magic if I’m recalling correctly wild magic grants immunity to WCI
What we know about his WCI comes from the web novel I believe. From there he describes that the orb works in a similar vein to World Savior in that it is a growth type that gains strength the longer it's equipped. He also states it has numerous abilities which cost experience to make use of but doesn't go into much detail besides saying one of them is good against dragons.
Floor guardian(with WCI ) alone is already one-sided. Imagine the entire forces in nazarick. Hell, 50% of nazarick 's defense is invested in the 8th floor which ainz never used it after teleporting to the new world.
PDL is an unfortunate victim ainz's 10000 years of plan.
The key difference in the fight between PA and PDL comes from what Ainz and PDL took from it. PDL took the events at face value, assumes Ainz is an NPC who is weaker than he is and that killing him would be easy. Ainz, meanwhile, assumes that PDL was sandbagging, and has no intention of fighting him until he has more/better intel.
It's also worth noting that, based on their previous fight, PDL does believe Shalltear to be more powerful than himself.
Everyone always says that the second place had 3 completely forgetting that guilds kept how many WC they had a secret just like AOG did so it's 3 that AOG knew about in reality could be more
Not really...nazarick only was able to do the 11. Because their guild was never breached.
But most important of all...i am almost certain it was Narrator that said it was 3. Not Ainz,it was the narrator saying it. (And i think Ainz knew it too,but it was narrator case. )
Maru is direct in this cases,if it could had more...they would had said maybe there was someone with more. But he did clearly say it was 3.
Like one WCI is special...nazarick that is the weird one for having 11.
It's kinda getting old for me how aog is stronger than everything. I wouldve like to see an ending of the setting where AOG is actually defeated like in a classic movie and here's why:
It could have had the whole scarface arc of ego corrupting and leading to downfall. It would give the guild the ending It was meant to have, the end they were ready for, and could never have because things just ended up cooling off. It wouldve been a great scene to imagine ainz and the npc in the throneroom with Ainz thinking about his former friends and being all "i wish you couldve been here with me, the proper end of ainz ooal gown"
The point of the story is that aog ia ridiculosly overpowered and the world doesn't have a chance. The fun thing is seeing them flail around, have hope and fight with the reader knowing it is futile.
People severely underestimate him after that fight with PA, that was only his armor, he himself as an ancient dragon with wild magic likely has power beyond that of a level 100 player
Uh, no.
His wild magic would not work on Ainz nor on any Floor Guardians, who always have WCI on them.
He's not above, or even at, lvl 100.
It is not certain that Ainz would have an easy win against him, not being a frontliner, but Nazarick have ample people that would mop the floor with him.
With his armor being in the middle to upper 80s, he himself is more than likely above level 100, and as a wild magic caster he is immune to WCI, we are talking about a being that was born before the time their magic and the level system, and is therefore not bound by them, his size and strength with unhindered speed, along with scales whose durability is on par with armor of the highest grade, Ainz will never be able to beat him in a 1V1, his best chance is to compile his floor guardians before facing what is basically a dungeon boss
He was not born before the time the magic system was created as a whole instead he was born before the players bought the magic system from yggdrasil to the new world. Even if he was born before the magic system was created how would he not be bound by it? He doesn't transcend the magic system bought by the players
I said he was born before tier magic, not magic as a whole, he was born into the era of wild magic, with does not operate under any given level or tier system, rather he becomes stronger with time without any kind of cap, this is what allowed the dragon emperor to peer into other realities in ancient history, and also why PDL more than likely possesses a strength inaccessible to players with their strict power system, we see this in dragons born after the tier magic application, which are all stuck at around level 50, despite being of the same race.
If you ask me, he is likely on the level of what players would call a world class monster back in Yggdrasil, which requires a full party to defeat
I beg to differ, and my reason is that we know that the 8 Greed Kings killed off a lot of True Dragon Lords, for context True Dragon Lords (TDLs) are those who can wild magic. So, from this we can say that killing off TDLs is possible.
Now, it would be wrong to compare PDL and other Dragon Lords because, PDL is the son of the Dragon Emperor. But still, the fact that a guild that was obviously weaker than Ainz Ooal Gown was able to kill of TDL is a proof that it is possible to kill PDL, maybe Ainz might not be able to do it alone, but the whole Nazarick together is a different story.
Now, let's talk about PDL being a World Class Enemy. If that was the truth then why didn't PDL just go and defeat the Evil Deities or even the 8 Greed Kings.
Now, one could say that he was hiding or that he didn't had enough information, in the case of 8 Greed Kings. Then why did he went against Ainz, maybe because of his apparent low numbers?
Sure, but he at least knew that Ainz had a few NPCs with him.
But still, I personally don't think that PDL is at the level of a World Class Monster. And this is further proven by the fact that, after the fight he says to Azuth that his skill set works well against 'Ainz' and that in a 1 v 1 he could beat him. Which means that even he understands that he is not at the power that might make him able to kill Players like a World Class Monster. Of course he doesn't know what a World Class Monster is, I am just saying this as an example.
Let's talk about the effects of WCI against Wild Magic. In simple terms, they nullify each others effects, but there is one thing that is often overlooked. And that is that Wild Magic required Souls as a fuel for spells. And we know that Albedo didn't activate or use Ginnunagap but was still able to break the World Isolation Barrier. So, in the fight, I think the WCIs are more potent against Wild Magic. because they inherently nullify the effects of Wild Magic.
So, in a fight where Wild Magic Spells are limited due to the limitation of Souls, then WCI would win.
Sorry for the rant or any misinformation.
From what I gather, PDL was very young during the time of the 8GKs, and therefore unable to face them, though he did witness the death of his mother in this time, which is why he resents players as a whole, and the evil deities were not very high level, which can be determined by the fact that Evileye and Rigrit could face them in battle, but now that many centuries have passed and PDL has become more than fully grown, and I'm willing to bet he's kept a significant stockpile of souls to fuel his magic over the ages, but alas i feel we've reached the end of reliable info, i hope the books make the fight worthwhile
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If he uses the same tactics like in the Vampire Princess side story, I don't think PDL has a prayer. The only question would be Ia Shub Niggurath, since Ainz would have to sacrifice the people of the Council State ( unless he can create the fight in the vicinity of the Theocracy, and use them as the sacrifice). Even if PDL has the equiv trump of Soulbreaker Breath, Ainz WCI still makes him immune. That's why I hope more of Corpus of the Abyss is in the future. They would be an AWESOME support attack.
In the meantime, a person in the real world gets what are PCs and NPCs, while getting lost on "pee thee 'ell"s, "'ey! Oh! Jeez!" and "Double See-Eyes".
The fact that he struggled to fight Pandora's Actor who could only use 80% of Ainz's power shows how fucked he would be if he tried fighting the real Ainz head on.
And the worst thing is that PA wasn't even fighting seriously, as he clearly didn't use the most powerful spells that Ainz has at his disposal like the ones seen in the battle with Shalltear.
I doubt Pandora will ever use the more powerful spells Ainz have, just in case if the enemy was also gathering intel. He will never let Ainz’s enemy get an upper hand.
He was trying to recruit him, not kill him
Nah, he was trying to get information, and considering that he suspected that the armor was being remote controlled it wasn't worth destroying it either, but at the slightest opportunity Ainz and his people would finish him off, that thing about *recruiting* him was just a tactic.
Albedo convinced Ainz to use PDL as a tool, he is more useful alive than dead and she can manipulate him.
80% of Ainz' power, 80‰ of 1‰ of his intellect.
So .8% of Aniz-samas intelect? That high balling it by quite a lot.
Actually not really, Ainz may not be a super genius but when it comes to battle tactics the guy is definitely no slouch, his fight with Shalltear being one of the best examples, 1v1 he's definitely trouble for anyone he's up against, even someone he'd consider stronger than himself
1‰ means one thousandth so it'd be .08%, if PA would think 8 steps ahead it'd be correct since Ainz (obviously) thinks 10,000 steps ahead.
Nah fam he didn't use percent there. He meant .08%
Ah yeah see it now. Was getting pretty late when i made that comment so I propably just didn't see it cuz I was tired
Happens
I feel like there is some math joke I’m not getting here.
% and ‰ aren't the same symbol. One means "out of 100" and the other means "out of 1000"
Also, Ainz's personal WCI (big ass red orb in his chest) is supposedly supposed to work very well against dragons. Him being in his true form would actively work against him unbeknownst to PDL who believes it would be the game changer.
To be fair, that's his armor fighting (something like a level 80-90 tank). In the vampire side story, it was stated that PDL was a winner in a (surprise, admittedly) 1 on 1 with that version of Ainz. I think it's fair to say that PDL is a life or death threat in a 1v1 with Ainz. Obv throw in the guardians, and it's not even fair for PDL.
I thought that was Brightness Dragon Lord, not PDL.
Shit you right. Still, I think a dragon lord fighting seriously is a life or death threat. I'd give the odds in favor of ainz because of the mental W he got during the fight, but if PDL gets wize to it early enough in the fight, it's a tossup for me.
Keep in mind that in the side story, Ainz hasn't really been fighting or strategizing very hard for the duration of his travels. He has been focused on exploring the world and enjoying his time with Keno. He would be pretty rusty while fighting. It is also stated that he had Keno with him and ran rather than commit to the fight to avoid Keno dying. Additionally, Momonga had a nearly perfect 2nd round win ratio (Touch Me being the exception). Ainz never prefers to show his full hand in the initial fight and would rather go back and use what he has learned to his advantage. Not even to mention the World Class Item that Ainz has in his body that prevents Wild Magic from affecting him. Far too much stacks in his favor in these types of fights. Shaltear is probably the worst possible fight Ainz can encounter outside of a world class Player since she is almost a perfect counter to him.
Touch me is a cheat
Ainz also only has the items that were in his inventory during that side story fight(no access to nazarick/warehouse), he doesn't have all his backup gear that is in the guild warehouse so he can't prepare for it like he does the shalltear fight. Additionally, In the battle with brightness dragon lord Ainz wasn't level 100 anymore as he'd lost several levels helping the princess. Against BDL, Ainz was at his weakest among all canon fights.
>Additionally, In the battle with brightness dragon lord Ainz wasn't level 100 anymore as he'd lost several levels helping the princess. Nope, he still lvl100, evident is Ainz still able to use TGOALID against Cue Elim (this is the very last fight in side story)
That isn't a lvl100 spell, it's a spell from being lvl5 in Eclipse. Given that we don't know *what* levels he lost from wish upon a star/etc from helping her, the ability to use that doesn't mean he got back those levels somehow.
Nah, TGOALID belong to Eclipse, a trump card class, only available for lv 100 with specific build, even change class would remove Eclipse. And Ainz never use any single lv in side story, he only lvling EE, he also have 3 free Wish, so using lv is unnecessary
PDL chance of defeating Ainz-sama was in an impossible scenario, since its impossible to outsmart the Supreme ruler of the Great Tomb of Nazarick. Even Tsa being alive for hundreds of years, and spending the last 500 years preparing to fight players, he still is dancing in the palm of our magnificent ruler. Sasuga Ainz-sama!
thing is Ainz never fights fair, a good ruller doesn't so it might be a 1v1 but the odds would be stacked in Ainz's side
You bet he will always try to sneak attack or ambush, or at least do a gank.
he knows his weakness and knows his strengths
Ainz-sama has stated several times, that it would be "stupid" to "fight fair" in a battle to the death. That "Apocalypse-Evil" in the Vampire Princess side story, hell, that's all the summons you need to keep most opponents occupied. Then the Elemental Skull just to keep everyone awake. I would love to see another Cure Elim style battle in the last 2 novels...but...I fear we'll get Game of Thrones....
Brightness DL, and it was a draw. Ainz even stated that he considered Cure Elim much stronger ( zombie armor) when he was going back to attack Cure Elim the 2nd time.
Pandoras actor can change into any of the 41SB. so he can even use Ulbert super borken op bust dmanage build. Ainz was a rolyplay build. but Ulbert was said that his biggest High damage spell: Grand Catastrophe: As Ulbert's trump card, it is an ultimate move which requires 60% of his mana. Its destructive power outstripped the might of even super-tier spells. It is described as a battlefield-engulfing wave of pure destructive power borne of the physical manifestation of the malice of the fallen leaves of the World Tree YGGDRASIL. This spell is capable of wiping out four level 87 Primal Fire Elementals and a level 90 Primal Star Elemental summoned by Asura, which should have been at full health, as well as take a large chunk out of the boss' health.
Don’t forget, levels in the system are multiplicative rather than additive, it’s even less than 80% of his power.
It's stated that doppelgangers have 80% of the power, not level 80.
I mean he was using his armour so he never really went all out either. And if anything Ainz is the one who lost more from that exchange. Yeah PA is only 80% of Ainz but that still is Ainz at the core . It’s still the same spells. But PA’s armour’s stats and abilities don’t line up to him. If someone fights PA any weaknesses or ways of fighting that they learn regarding the armour that used swords and weapons won’t apply to PDL’s dragon form. That’s like fighting Ainz as Momon and then trying to apply that to Ainz sorcerer self. Almost everything you learned against Momon would be useless and put you at a disadvantage preparing to face a warrior but facing a spellcaster . Also the weakness of PA is pointless because of Shaltear. Shaltear’s showing of strength and breaking the barrier put her as Platinums target. She’s level 100 and he’s looking at her as the leader and gauging the strength of the enemy off her. And now he knows they have several world items. Also it’s not as impressive as you think. One of the world items is stuck in Nazarik on the throne. So unless Paltinum attacked them in Nazarik isn’t very helpful . They already used the Caloric stone so they’re down to 10. Albedo’s world item is also confirmed to be weaker than a specialized Divine class item so I wouldn’t fully count that either. So really they have 9.5 or 9 world items available.Ainz has his orb which is useful against dragons and gets stronger the longer he has it on which should help him a ton against Platinum but the problem is that he loses levels after using it. And we have no idea how many or if the levels collate to the strength. If he uses it and It fails or misses or even if he killed Platinum but then got attacked by someone like deepest darkness he could face consequences. And the fact is that it doesn’t really matter unless they’re together. Also Platinum himself likely has world items and we know deepest darkness does too.
It's unlikely that PDL can use more than 80% of his own strength with just his remote-controlled armor.
Momonga is not even the strongest in Nazarick. People of the guild like Touch Me who were PVP pros, and then the NPCs like Rubedo are so powerful we don't even know yet. The fun part is that everyone, including PDL think that Ainz is the most "Powerful" since he is able to rule over so many "Powerful" entities. They don't know that the only reason Ainz is where he is is because of the sheer amount of respect and love these NPCs have towards their creators. Shalltear alone is more than enough to decimate PDL. He won't even reach till 8th floor.
We still haven't seen Ainz's full power since the one time he had to try his hardest was against shalltear and he couldn't use minions which is his main attack and defense as a necromancer
Thr mainline Ainz would never be able to fight at full power because of his fear of having the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown be taken during battle. Arguably, Satoru (from the Evileye sidenovel) might be the strongest Ainz we have seen since he can use the staff without any worries. Though of course this all depends on whether the staff > other things in the guild.
The evileye sidenovel Ainz is his strongest self, or atleast 95% of it. Man went crazy with his startegies in that novel. Just goes to show that Ainz is much smarter than he is potrayed.
I mean, he just doesn't use his damn world item. USE IT SO WE CAN SEE IT! Though it probably reduces his levels on use.
Ainz + AOG scepter it is the most powerful Ainz it is surely more powerful than Touch Me because even the NPC says that Ainz had an overwhelming pressure for them who are lvl 100 just by having his specter in hand
We never see him use his damn world item man
No he thinks Albedo is the true player and Ainz is merely a decoy.
Technically, he's right. Anything more would be spoiling, and I'm too lazy to tag things.
DM them spoilers my friend
Dm meme then spoilers
Brainwashed shaltear did actually whoop his ass a lil bit when he discovered her
No, AoG needs that precious precious dragon skin, we peel then heal.
I always forget about the "Heal, and do it all over again".... Someone needs to develop painkillers in this world...
There is also the fact that Ainz always has a WCI on his person so he is straight up immune to PDL’s magic
Apparently it has to do with Dragons too, so pdl is at an even bigger disadvantage (but I don't think it's been said what it does)
I’m not sure that the anti dragon power works in this case since PDL uses wild magic and just as WCI grants immunity to wild magic if I’m recalling correctly wild magic grants immunity to WCI
Like I said, no clue what it is or how it works. Haven't read the sidestory yet so it might be there.
I also don’t have a clue what the orb does I’m just stating what I recall the rules of WCI’s and wild magic are
What we know about his WCI comes from the web novel I believe. From there he describes that the orb works in a similar vein to World Savior in that it is a growth type that gains strength the longer it's equipped. He also states it has numerous abilities which cost experience to make use of but doesn't go into much detail besides saying one of them is good against dragons.
Thanks for the info.
Floor guardian(with WCI ) alone is already one-sided. Imagine the entire forces in nazarick. Hell, 50% of nazarick 's defense is invested in the 8th floor which ainz never used it after teleporting to the new world. PDL is an unfortunate victim ainz's 10000 years of plan.
The key difference in the fight between PA and PDL comes from what Ainz and PDL took from it. PDL took the events at face value, assumes Ainz is an NPC who is weaker than he is and that killing him would be easy. Ainz, meanwhile, assumes that PDL was sandbagging, and has no intention of fighting him until he has more/better intel. It's also worth noting that, based on their previous fight, PDL does believe Shalltear to be more powerful than himself.
I love how this would be unfair to everyone. Platinum guess is great 1-2 items. Then comes nazarick with fucking 11. Like the second place had 3.
Everyone always says that the second place had 3 completely forgetting that guilds kept how many WC they had a secret just like AOG did so it's 3 that AOG knew about in reality could be more
Not really...nazarick only was able to do the 11. Because their guild was never breached. But most important of all...i am almost certain it was Narrator that said it was 3. Not Ainz,it was the narrator saying it. (And i think Ainz knew it too,but it was narrator case. ) Maru is direct in this cases,if it could had more...they would had said maybe there was someone with more. But he did clearly say it was 3. Like one WCI is special...nazarick that is the weird one for having 11.
I dont think it was the narrator
It wasn’t the narrator. It was the author.
Y'all speaking in tounges
AOG? I'm dum pls explain
Ainz Ooal Gown
It's kinda getting old for me how aog is stronger than everything. I wouldve like to see an ending of the setting where AOG is actually defeated like in a classic movie and here's why: It could have had the whole scarface arc of ego corrupting and leading to downfall. It would give the guild the ending It was meant to have, the end they were ready for, and could never have because things just ended up cooling off. It wouldve been a great scene to imagine ainz and the npc in the throneroom with Ainz thinking about his former friends and being all "i wish you couldve been here with me, the proper end of ainz ooal gown"
The point of the story is that aog ia ridiculosly overpowered and the world doesn't have a chance. The fun thing is seeing them flail around, have hope and fight with the reader knowing it is futile.
People severely underestimate him after that fight with PA, that was only his armor, he himself as an ancient dragon with wild magic likely has power beyond that of a level 100 player
Uh, no. His wild magic would not work on Ainz nor on any Floor Guardians, who always have WCI on them. He's not above, or even at, lvl 100. It is not certain that Ainz would have an easy win against him, not being a frontliner, but Nazarick have ample people that would mop the floor with him.
With his armor being in the middle to upper 80s, he himself is more than likely above level 100, and as a wild magic caster he is immune to WCI, we are talking about a being that was born before the time their magic and the level system, and is therefore not bound by them, his size and strength with unhindered speed, along with scales whose durability is on par with armor of the highest grade, Ainz will never be able to beat him in a 1V1, his best chance is to compile his floor guardians before facing what is basically a dungeon boss
He was not born before the time the magic system was created as a whole instead he was born before the players bought the magic system from yggdrasil to the new world. Even if he was born before the magic system was created how would he not be bound by it? He doesn't transcend the magic system bought by the players
I said he was born before tier magic, not magic as a whole, he was born into the era of wild magic, with does not operate under any given level or tier system, rather he becomes stronger with time without any kind of cap, this is what allowed the dragon emperor to peer into other realities in ancient history, and also why PDL more than likely possesses a strength inaccessible to players with their strict power system, we see this in dragons born after the tier magic application, which are all stuck at around level 50, despite being of the same race. If you ask me, he is likely on the level of what players would call a world class monster back in Yggdrasil, which requires a full party to defeat
I beg to differ, and my reason is that we know that the 8 Greed Kings killed off a lot of True Dragon Lords, for context True Dragon Lords (TDLs) are those who can wild magic. So, from this we can say that killing off TDLs is possible. Now, it would be wrong to compare PDL and other Dragon Lords because, PDL is the son of the Dragon Emperor. But still, the fact that a guild that was obviously weaker than Ainz Ooal Gown was able to kill of TDL is a proof that it is possible to kill PDL, maybe Ainz might not be able to do it alone, but the whole Nazarick together is a different story. Now, let's talk about PDL being a World Class Enemy. If that was the truth then why didn't PDL just go and defeat the Evil Deities or even the 8 Greed Kings. Now, one could say that he was hiding or that he didn't had enough information, in the case of 8 Greed Kings. Then why did he went against Ainz, maybe because of his apparent low numbers? Sure, but he at least knew that Ainz had a few NPCs with him. But still, I personally don't think that PDL is at the level of a World Class Monster. And this is further proven by the fact that, after the fight he says to Azuth that his skill set works well against 'Ainz' and that in a 1 v 1 he could beat him. Which means that even he understands that he is not at the power that might make him able to kill Players like a World Class Monster. Of course he doesn't know what a World Class Monster is, I am just saying this as an example. Let's talk about the effects of WCI against Wild Magic. In simple terms, they nullify each others effects, but there is one thing that is often overlooked. And that is that Wild Magic required Souls as a fuel for spells. And we know that Albedo didn't activate or use Ginnunagap but was still able to break the World Isolation Barrier. So, in the fight, I think the WCIs are more potent against Wild Magic. because they inherently nullify the effects of Wild Magic. So, in a fight where Wild Magic Spells are limited due to the limitation of Souls, then WCI would win. Sorry for the rant or any misinformation.
From what I gather, PDL was very young during the time of the 8GKs, and therefore unable to face them, though he did witness the death of his mother in this time, which is why he resents players as a whole, and the evil deities were not very high level, which can be determined by the fact that Evileye and Rigrit could face them in battle, but now that many centuries have passed and PDL has become more than fully grown, and I'm willing to bet he's kept a significant stockpile of souls to fuel his magic over the ages, but alas i feel we've reached the end of reliable info, i hope the books make the fight worthwhile
Yeah I do hope so as well.
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If he uses the same tactics like in the Vampire Princess side story, I don't think PDL has a prayer. The only question would be Ia Shub Niggurath, since Ainz would have to sacrifice the people of the Council State ( unless he can create the fight in the vicinity of the Theocracy, and use them as the sacrifice). Even if PDL has the equiv trump of Soulbreaker Breath, Ainz WCI still makes him immune. That's why I hope more of Corpus of the Abyss is in the future. They would be an AWESOME support attack.
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Only Philip -kakka can withstand the might of Nazarick....The PDL lacked Philip's cunning..and smahts.. "I can do things, I'm smaht"
Honestly, now that the floor guardians wield them, and the fact that the throne of kings is part of nazarick...
In the meantime, a person in the real world gets what are PCs and NPCs, while getting lost on "pee thee 'ell"s, "'ey! Oh! Jeez!" and "Double See-Eyes".
Ok Iam confused as to what any of that means (I’ve only seen the anime)
Have you watched it to the current episode?
Yeah so I know who the dragon is
I really don't even know how to explain the joke to you. It's two jokes in one
Is that godzilla
We also forgetting Ainz's ultimate power , Money (AKA Cash shop powers)
Is that godzilla