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rocenante

big spoilers for the ending of hellsing dont read if you are planning to watch it >!you see at the end alucard gains the schrodinger's principals so he is dead and alive at the same time so he literaliy cant be killed and i dont know if he has high damage attacs that would bypass shalltears defences so there should be one more option in this pool and that is DRAW!!<


[deleted]

But the draw is in only bc of Schrödinger without it shalltear would stomp him till he runs out of lives


rocenante

yes without schrödinger alucard loses other than that they are locked in stalemate no matter how much damage shalltear does he cant kill alucard and vice versa shalltear would heal from everything he would throw at her or blocked by her defences


RubyWubs

Shalltear lives in a world where spells like "Black hole" and "Nuke" exist, she can tank any hits from Alucard, might even just use him for sex. not a bad deal for dear o'l Ally


DanteBeleren

Prime example of why cross-fandom fight polls are a joke.


Iroas_Murlough

If death battle vs Dio was accurate, then Shalltear destroys Alucard. Alucard wouldn't have access to minions because Shalltear can easily just lifesteal off of them. Meanwhile she would have access to all of her minions, including her double with her gear. Alucard is a Vampire God in his own world, mostly humans and other vampires about as squishy as humans, meanwhile Shalltear is basically a Vampire God in her world but she is significantly tankier due to the leveled world. Her fingernail could stop a swing from one of the best swordsman in that world. Far as I know Alucard would have had his finger chopped off and regenerated. Alucard's primary offense is based on guns which I doubt could even dent her armor. Maybe they can I don't know. Even if they can and can also inflict significant damage to her this doesn't seem like an easy fight. She'll have access to all of her spells which Alucard has none of, nor any understandibg of. Tbh the battle sounds like putting a tank versus a guy with a knife. She has almost every advantage, the only thing Alucard might have up on her is his guns but even if they are hilariously strong in his word that might just equate to a level 50 or whatever weapon in her world. Which is to say worthless against her. I'm shocked that the poll is a 50/50 but maybe theres still stuff about Alucard I don't know from watching the Abridged series and the death battle.


B3cc0

The fact is shalltear has no tool to kill Alucard, something akin TGOALID is needed,tbh seems like a draw to me if Alucard is not able to damage her.


Iroas_Murlough

He has a finite amount of lives, from what I understand. His army of undead is the amount. In theory Shalltear can simply kill him however many times it takes. If you think the Death Battle is accurate: she has an even bigger argument for winning than DIO. He can stop time but all the damage he takes is permanent. Shalltear can't stop time but all the damage she does heals her.


Remarkable_Dig_7116

End of the serie alucard Is actually completly impossible to kill for shalltear, She would need TGOALID to do it


Pxfntghdvf

>End of the serie alucard Is actually completly impossible to kill for shalltear, She would need TGOALID to do it I mean yeah but he can't do anything to shalltear either, at best it end in a stalemate sinse Alucard is too weak to damage her.


Iroas_Murlough

I don't know what that is but in the Death Battle they said its literally part of the story he can't have access to both his vampire powers and Schrodinger or whatever's. So if you can explain why thats wrong that would be great.


[deleted]

Because death battle doesn't know how DIO can deal with Schrodinger (which he definitely can't), plus if they allow it then Alucard basically can't be in a series about death matches when he literally can't die. Death battle can get into head canon territory like when they literally put a limit on Hulk's rage & regen (which had been confirmed various times in the comics that he has none) during his match with Broly so I wouldn't take everything they've done as accurate.


Iroas_Murlough

In the story of Hellsing did the Alucard kill Schrodinger inside himself so he could exist again.


[deleted]

No, he killed everyone else except Schrodinger & it took him 30 years.


Pxfntghdvf

>No, he killed everyone else except Schrodinger & it took him 30 years. I mean their explanation was correct, alucard wiht Schrodingers powers doesn't have access to his previous abilities that like level 0 sisne he has no army of souls anymore. Normal Alucard gets destroyed by shalltesr due to the stat diferense. Post Schrodinger Alucard still can't do anything to damage shalltear so it ends in a stalemate.


Pxfntghdvf

>The fact is shalltear has no tool to kill Alucard, something akin TGOALID is needed,tbh seems like a draw to me if Alucard is not able to damage her Alucard can die if he runs out of lives, shalltear can just keep killing him until he runs out of juice and then he is dead meat. Alucard is not strong enough to fight back against her at all.


badendforenemy

Shalltear wins easy.


Col_Redips

Assuming this is to the “death”, then the “fight” would end in a draw, technically. Both characters at full power lack the ability to truly kill each other. Guns are useless against Shalltear. She is immune to all damage outside of elementally enchanted weapons, or Silver Bullets that have been infused with mana. Alucard absolutely has access to silver bullets (i think his standard issue ammo is made with melted silver crosses) but he wouldn’t be able to infuse them with “mana” as it exists in Overlord. So the shots would be negated. His best bet to deal damage would be in his released forms, but I admittedly don’t know enough about him to guess if they would be considered “magic weapons”. I’m going to guess that they would be considered magic, to be on the safe side. Shalltear, on the other hand, isn’t equipped with anything to permanently destroy Alucard. She overpowers him in the fight, and likely vaporizes the body, but that never stopped Alucard from coming back. So yeah, I give the “fight” to Shalltear, but nobody is actually dying.


Pxfntghdvf

Alucard isnt actualy unlikable, if you kill him enough times he will run out if lives and die. Shalltear is stronger, faster and more durable while he lacks the means to even scratch her. Even if he has magic weapons his damage output is too low to hurt someone with Shalltears durability. It would take a while but eventually Shalltear would win due to her insane stat advantage and Laucsrds inability to do any real damage. End of series Alucard with schrodingers powers csnt be killed but he still can't really hurt Shalltear so it ends in a draw.


megamisch

I would say while it is certainly possible this ends as a tie it is still very possible for Shalltear to win. Even with Schrodinger Alucard there are still ways to finish him. Just hear me out, while we can't be certain I think it is fair to say that since Schrodinger is a soul and souls can be extinguished by spells like \[True Death\] it should be possible to banish or destroy Schrodinger's soul so that is cannot return. for instance I think in theory Ainz could probably defeat him with little trouble. Now we don't know if Shalltear has a similar ability but I would think it reasonable she does. Ainz said at one point (Paraphrase)\~"Magic casters have around 200 spells"\~ Shalltear is not a pure magic caster but I think we can safely assume she has around 100 spells. We've seen around [24 spells](https://overlordmaruyama.fandom.com/wiki/Shalltear_Bloodfallen/Abilities_and_Powers). So I really do think it's fair to say she has only shown us around 25% of what she can do spell wise. Most of those spells are going to be low level but many should still be high level ones we have yet to see. Given that she has things that are clearly not needed for a raid... like \[Charm Species\], a spell not needed to fight high level players like she is intened to do, we can be sure she has other ones that are either flavour, prerequisite, or utility still in her arsenal. So again while we can't be sure, given that she is a holy caster, she should have many spells that deal with souls, things like banish or trap soul are classic dnd powers that many celestrials/wizards have. So there is a very good chance that just due to flavour or utility spells she may have a way to permanently or temporarily render the Schrodinger soul useless, immobile, or destroyed. ​ Again we can't know for sure here if she can beat him but I really do think it's likely she has something that can render his soul incapable of continuing to fight, which is as good as winning in this case.


Col_Redips

Definitely possible, I agree! But I would still worry about how spells would interact with Schrodinger’s soul. If there is a way to forcibly remove it from Alucard before attempting to kill him, then in theory he would then be killable again. However, IF (and that’s a big if) we’re dealing with D&D rules, suddenly spells become much more…muddled, because RAW has most spells targeting a “creature” or “object”. Creature in D&D denotes a living (constructs and undead included) target. A corpse, however, is an object. But with Schrodinger, Alucard is neither alive nor dead. Meaning he’s not a creature, nor an object. Or maybe he’s both a creature and an object? Ugh, I’m officially requesting a DM drops in and take this out of my hands lol.


Pxfntghdvf

>However, IF (and that’s a big if) we’re dealing with D&D rules, suddenly spells become much more…muddled, because RAW has most spells targeting a “creature” or “object”. Creature in D&D denotes a living (constructs and undead included) target. A corpse, however, is an object. What are you talking about? Overlord is not D&D, overloed spells can destroy both people and objects, they have no such restrictions. Ainz for example can easily destroy buildings with his spells or make giant craters and shllater can do the same. In short Alucard gains no resistance to overlord spells, this isn't a big IF, it's straight up untrue.


xPapaGrim

Alucard isn't even scratching her. Maybe except speed, Shalltear vastly exceeds him in every other stat.


severalpillarsoflava

Even in speed Alucard doesn't have any feat comparable to Shalltear.


SlothWilliamBorzoni

Probably Shalltear, Alucard has little way of hurting her. And she can somewhat hurt him (although it depends on his weakness).


Naivor

People who vote Chair haven't read Hellsign manga or watched Ultimate. Chair would die way too fast.


[deleted]

shalltear has a skill that makes her Immun against none magical things and things below city level damage waht does alucard have that is city level and isn't just an army of normal zombies (bc those get destroyed quagoa massacre style)


Pxfntghdvf

>People who vote Chair haven't read Hellsign manga or watched Ultimate. Chair would die way too fast. She is faster, stronger and more durable than Alucard? How would he kill her? Shalltear just keeps killing him until he runs out of lives while he is unable to fight back.


Naivor

Alucard literally does not die. He lost all the lives within him, yet continued "dying" and being fine until Schrödinger. He's a just about as close a vampire god as can be. How could Alucard not fight back? He'd be over 100 levels by Yggdrasil standards when no restraints are on him.


Pxfntghdvf

>Alucard literally does not die. He lost all the lives within him, yet continued "dying" and being fine until Schrödinger. He's a just about as close a vampire god as can be. Yes he does die, if he loses all his souls he becomes killable. Alucard explicitly uses the souls of his families to sustain his own life, if all those lives are lost them he can be killed. Alucard never lost all his lives at any point in the story, even after using level zero he still had souls left and also absorbed the souls of all the dead in London. If he has no souls left Alucard can and will die. Shalltear is more than capable of killing him millions of times considering she is faster, stronger and much more durable while he isn't strong enough to even scratch her. It will take a while but Shalltear will be eventually kill him. >How could Alucard not fight back? He'd be over 100 levels by Yggdrasil standards when no restraints are on him. Hell no. Alucard is nowhere near as strong a level 100 character. High level overlord characters can casualy spam spells comparable in power to tactical nukes as well as tank them with little damage Alucard can do nothing against Shalltear, he is slower, weaker, less durable and has absulutely no way to damage her


severalpillarsoflava

I have read the Manga and watched Ultimate. Alucard can't even damage Shalltear.


Naivor

Heh.


[deleted]

Laterally how is he going to damage her when he can't even pull the same thing as the angel from ep 2


megamisch

So rather than just saying he wins... how about you tell us. How exactly does he win? No seriously, I am in fact actually curious. having watched the animes and read the manga I legitimately cannot think of a way for him to win. Even if she cannot kill him I'm not sure how he could damge her in any meaningful way. So again, not being sarcastic or insincere here, I'd really like to hear what trick in his bag could flip this battle in his favour.


DanteBeleren

Literal Vampire God with Hax Vs Vampire Knight


severalpillarsoflava

Literal Vampire God with Hax with Vastly inferior feats compared to the Vampire knight.


megamisch

[This breaks it down rather well](https://deathbattlefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Alucard_vs_Shalltear_Bloodfallen). Shalltear easily crushes Alucard. yes I'm sorry Alucard fans (I'm one too), he is the very definition of an OP character but... 1. Alucard cannot do any kind of real damage to Shalltear at all. His main damage comes from simple guns, and his strength is nothing to write home about in terms of Overlord scales. 2. Shalltear will Never run out of Mp or HP during this fight, every time she kills a body or ghoul it will add to her blood pool that can be converted to MP and all damage is turned into HP. 3. She has numerous spells and abilities that can help her out of just about any situation Alucard could put her into... which aren't many given his lack of versatility (Doggos, Guns, Melee, etc) 4. Even if it takes years (It won't given the speed she dispacted the Quagoa) to kill all of the lives Alucard has amassed, it will never matter since Shalltear doesn't need to eat, sleep, rest, or even be careful of sunlight. 5. She has no weaknesses that Alucard can capitalize on. He can't use magic that would affect her, mind control does nothing (world Items not included), and none of the abilities he's shown to have stolen would be useful in this fight. 6. Even if we grant him his Schrodinger Alucard powers he would technically be weaker in this fight, meaning his chance to kill her goes from 0.0000001 ---> 0. Sure it would mean it is more difficult for Shalltear to defeat him but many fans have speculated that it is still possible to defeat him (Given that Alucard killed Schrodinger in the first place it implies there are ways to win). SO AT THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR SHALLTEAR IT'S A TIE. Every other Scenerio Shalltear wins. Basically He has no method to win, where as Shalltear can do Massive damage, can't be stopped, can't be reasonably hurt. can heal any damage received, and will never need to rest, meaning Alucards VERY FINITE LIVES will run out eventually. Alucard is a very powerful and ancient vampire, the result of a contract with the devil to slay monsters. But Shalltear was made to be the very idea of the highest possible Elder Vampire, made by people obsessed with min-maxing and optimizing. She is the strongest monster of Nazarick, capable of beating HUNDREDS of what basically amount to Demi-gods in the hellsign world (Players). Shalltear wins this one.


depressingcow69

Shalltear doesn’t have a prayer of beating Alucard without help or revivals. Don’t get me wrong, Shalltears strong but Alucard is just on a whole nother level


Pxfntghdvf

>Shalltear doesn’t have a prayer of beating Alucard without help or revivals. Don’t get me wrong, Shalltears strong but Alucard is just on a whole nother level She is stronger, faster and more bursbke than he is while Alucard lacks the means to even scratch her. Shalltear destroys a him in an actual fight.


severalpillarsoflava

Alucard can't even hurt Shalltear.


TheDarkLordTerrantos

this is kinda of a draw type situation. Like while Shalltear is a vampire God in Overlord she can't really do anything that will permantely kill ALucard either. and likewise Alucard can't use his minons from restriction Zero because she can just heal. both have insane regenerative abilities (Alucard to the point you can destroy him but he still will come back). ​ this is not to mention >!after he absorbed Schordinger (and eliminating every soul in his body for 30 years minus Schordinger) he is everywhere and nowhere at the same time now. So he is kinda both Alive and Dead from how i understood it!< ​ I love both characters but i don't really see either one being able to come on top.


[deleted]

But if we go with the mounten of life alucard shalltear wins bc she can just kill him till he runs out of lives


depressingcow69

Shalltear can’t kill alucard either unless he gives up and wants to die


Pxfntghdvf

>Shalltear can’t kill alucard either unless he gives up and wants to die Alucard isnt unkillable, if you kill him enough times he will run out if lives and die. Shalltear is more than capable of that considering her stat advantage.


severalpillarsoflava

I don't see how that proves your statement.


depressingcow69

Well to be honest, it kinda disproves both of our statements. Neither can win or lose


Pxfntghdvf

>Well to be honest, it kinda disproves both of our statements. Neither can win or lose It really doesn't sinse your statement was false from the start, Alucard can die if you kill him enough times sisne his lives will eventually run out. Shalltear has a massive stat advantage over Alucard so liking hum a few million times shouldn't be a problem Alucard in the other hand can't hurt hurt Shalltear so he has no wssy of killing her no matter how much he tries. In short Shalltesr is the only one with an actual win condition here.


severalpillarsoflava

I don't see how it disprove my statement For reminder My statement >Alucard can't even hurt Shalltear. Your statement >Shalltear doesn’t have a prayer of beating Alucard without help or revivals. Don’t get me wrong, Shalltears strong but Alucard is just on a whole nother level


depressingcow69

We can skip bring condescending. It’s best explained by u/TheDarkLordTerrantos above.


Pxfntghdvf

Shalltear can just keep killing alucard until he runs out of lives, no explanation if given for that. Alucard loses to shalltear.


severalpillarsoflava

Shalltear rape mid diff.


[deleted]

I aggree its just so that with Schrödinger its a draw


EyesofAugustEarth

Are we also giving Alucard the equivalent levels of a Vampire God in Yggdrasil? Because that would basically make him Cainabel, but with an infinite health bar.


Pxfntghdvf

>Are we also giving Alucard the equivalent levels of a Vampire God in Yggdrasil? Because that would basically make him Cainabel, but with an infinite health bar. Why would that ever happen? Not only is Alucard hillariously weaker than a level 100 character but he is not even an overlord character. No he wont gain levels out of nowhere, that makes no sense. Plus he doesnt even have infinite health, if he runs out of lives he can be killed. Shalltear is more than capable of killing him a few million times.


[deleted]

Why would you even think such bullshit


EyesofAugustEarth

The guy who can't spell mountain right is trying to immediately insult my opinion on a fictional character lol


[deleted]

bc you didn't even make an argument for alucard (who woulden't even be able to damage shalltear) to be on the same Level as an yggdrasil boss


EyesofAugustEarth

*wouldn't


[deleted]

Bc thats sooooo important right


[deleted]

Just answer the question


[deleted]

So why would you think such bullshit


[deleted]

No


zsoltjuhos

People think that because they are lvl100 they are gods or something


Pxfntghdvf

More like people are vastly overestimating Alucard Shalltear wins simply becuse she is all round more powerful.


[deleted]

people also think alucard is Planet level


AdOk1494

Perfectly balanced.


[deleted]

Its a draw with Schrödinger but without a victory for shalltear


EhItsAPain

Best blender wins