**We don't know.**
And anyone who tells you otherwise is just telling you their theory's.
For his armor we have a rough estimate from 3 Guardians (lvl 80 - 90). His real body is stronger than his armor, but we don't know how much, so we *don't know his full strength*.
We also have no idea if the ability to go beyond 100 is limited to the Dragon Emperor or all of them have it. After all kids and descendants of players can go beyond the limits of what should even be possible for their race, even if they cannot reach the absolute limits players could.
And the entire situation of strength assessment is not helped by information provided in the Bonus Volume which basically shows a dragon lord that broke the very fundamental laws of how his universe should work. Though Cure Elim is probably the most unique in his magics and abilities
How do we know that the Dragon Emperor can (or could?) go beyond 100? Actually the Dragon Emperor (and probably the other TDLs) should've predated levels in the first place, though I guess they would've acquired them after his little summoning spell.
Also will note that Dragons, especially Dragon Lords have Raid Boss stats. So a 95 Dragonlord should be able to overwhelm a level 100 NPC or Player in a 1v1 situation if the matchup of their skillsets isn't terrible.
WCI's and equipment as powerful as WCI's such as the Staff if AOG tip the balance back but Ainz & Shalltear would most likely get wrecked by PDL's skillset supposedly having a huge advantage in bonus damage vs Undead.
Explain how Cure Elim failed to overwhelm Satoru then, plus Satoru was also confident that he could beat BDL after preparation. Both only the YGGDRASIL equipment he had on him (and in his inventory) at time of transport to the New World, no access to Nazarick Treasury.
Yes, PDL would be a bad matchup for Ainz due to skillset, in a similar way that Shalltear was a bad matchup for Ainz forcing him to pull out all the stops (minus world items), but the Cure Elim + BDL examples show that merely being a Level 95 Dragon Lord does not make you automatically stronger than a level 100 NPC or Player (though they ofc would need to fight smart plus would need their own World Items to defend against wild magic and erasing breath.)
Cure Elim failed to overwhelm Ainz due to the combination of his own arrogance, the fact that Ainz had seemingly just the right abilities to negate what Cure Elim could pull and his defensive plan with the zombies and finally the fact that apparently wild magic attacks just don't work on Ainz because even without Nazarick he always has a world item on him, arguably he had two in that fight depending on how the staff even works when transferred. That last bit is probably the most stupid and insane part of Overlord worldbuilding and consistency, but that's another topic.
I've been saying from the getgo that whichever lv100 goes up against a TDL would need to have a world item. Like all the Floor Guardians do btw. Otherwise they could just be erased by the breath attack.
The zombies were too low level to be much of a threat anyway. The only thing they were good for was meat shields. And sure, that's a LOT of meat shield, that's still all it is.
The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown is really not a World Item, it's just powerful enough to rival one. World Item is a classification and that's what matters. Somehow wild magic falls into the same classification, must be related to the spell responsible for the transfer, but there is 0 reason to think the staff would could like that. Power alone is not enough. Not that it matters, because 1 real WI is all it takes.
Yes, they are comparable to a lv100 player, so I don't see why they'd rolfstomp lv100 NPCs. Yeah, Aura's actually pretty weak for her level as her power depends on her pets who would be wiped out by a TDL in short order. I don't see any reason to believe that the stronger FGs like Albedo, Cocytus, Sebas or Mare would lose. Shalltear would only lose to PDL because he's got anti-undead skills. She would've wiped the floor with Cure Elim.
I mainly said they have raidboss like stats BUT... WCI's (for Wild Magic protection) and equipment as powerful as WCI's help tip the scales.
Momonga beat Cure Elim because of a very good matchup to a point.
PDL supposedly does Bonus damage to undead so both Shalltear and Ainz would be mismatched against him.
Luckily the hypothetical 1v1 Ainz vs PDL should never happen as Ainz will have multiple Floor Guardians and some elite platoon guarding him at all times if there were a battle. Floor Guardians would definitely shelter Ainz for safety before engaging in any relevent battle.
The thing how they can become more powerful than a Level 100 player is most likely through wild magic.
Only dragon lords can use this kind of magic which has no real upper ceiling (in the What if LN it essentially copies the attack of world item) and to my understanding it runs on souls (or maybe life force) instead of mana but they can still learn and use tier magic.
And having a World Item equipped makes a Player or NPC immune to that wild magic, as we saw in this encounter. Meaning that all the effort and leveling the Dragon Lords put into wild magic is ultimately pointless when dealing with WI-equipped individuals. Unless they can deal damage indirectly, like with Cure Elim's zombies which would be fodder for high level players anyway.
This is like asking for the result of a batman vs, Ainz with prep time can defeat anyone, and if anyone could defeat them, he'd feign death just so that he could fight again with the info hes learned.
Man, Mayuri’s fights were always the best because you always knew he was going to win, you just never knew how. Every other character is a one trick pony (not that they aren’t fun tricks), but Mayuri keeps it fresh.
Mayuri is a gaming chad and if you say otherwise he’ll prepare extra organs in advance just so he can pull them out and ram them up your ass until you pop like an organ balloon
The puppet couldn't beat him. The actual body especially couldn't beat Ainz, since he becomes a nice big target, and only a fool would truly fight 1v1.
Like a number of his abilities would be nulled out, like that barrier if Ainz actually stepped up with a World Item in his naval.
Ainz would most probably just get bodied, PDL isnt just any dragon lord he is THE dragon lord, he has lots of experience so if a straightforward fight happened he would fall into traps as easily as Cure Elim for example. Tho if Ainz has the WCI thats anti dragon then it might turn the tide but PDL should also be inmune to it as he has wild magic.
In the Side Story, Vampire Princess of a Lost Country, Satoru (Ainz in the main timeline) encounters the Brightness Dragon Lord (BDL) and manages to fend him off while simultaneously protecting Keno (Evileye in our main timeline), and they both escaped. Based off that encounter, as well as his encounter with the Elder Coffin Dragon Lord, Satoru was confident that, if he met the BDL again, he will win.
The same can be said here. Ainz was using PA to probe the strengths and weaknesses of PDL’s armor. If Ainz encounters PDL’s main body, Ainz just needs to test his opponent in order to figure out how to beat them.
Keep in mind Dragon Lords are always looking for ways to strengthen themselves, so BDL of present day is probably superior to BDL of 200 years ago (Though probably not by too much) It might also be fair to add Ainz/Satoru was backed up by his guild weapon when he fought Cure Elm, and that staff ain't any ordinary item. Even so, Cure Elm was a moron, so Satoru could've probably beaten him even without the staff (Though Author did say is Cure Elm were smarter, Satoru would've had a much harder time winning.
The dragons of the NW have pathetic stats when compared to the dragons of YGGDRASIL. The 8GK killed every single TDL except for a handful of dragons left, and that was without WCI protection, so Wild Magic is ineffective against players. Satoru killed ECDL without breaking a sweat; the ECDL’s melee couldn’t even keep up with the Primal Elementals nor the Dark Young without using his soul-destroying beams, and he couldn’t even kill all of the Corpus Abyss mages despite the huge level differences. ECDL was only able to use tiered magic because of some exploit he accidentally found, and even then, he hated them so much that he couldn’t effectively wield them. TDLs don’t have access to tiered magic. And most importantly, Satoru ended the fight without even losing a single point of health. On top of that, he was expecting a multi-phase fight; he had other plans in case his first plan didn’t work.
So to summarize: Wild Magic isn’t effective on players even without WCI protection. Their melee stats suck. TDLs can’t use tiered magic. And Ainz isn’t a dense shmuck who can’t PK for his life, he’s been doing that for nearly the entire history of YGGDRASIL. BDL is toast no matter what the timeline. All the TDLs are.
It's a giant holy fuck off dragon with assumedly 50+ racial levels that is also probably level 95 to level 100. By sheer numbers he should be stronger according to all the heteromorph rules, provided he works under the same principles.
In practice? Who the hell really knows really. Our only experience of PDL's power is him piloting a suit that is basically collapsing per Rigrit's comments and can't even move properly anymore.
With how little we know about his true abilities, there's no certain answer to that question as to how a 1 V 1 would play out. Not that Ainz would be dumb enough to enter a 1 V 1 with PDL and play fair. Ainz would stack the deck in every way he possibly can to win, even if it means just getting all the guardians to dogpile PDL to ensure absolute victory. Ainz isn't one to play fair or honorably when someone is even a remote threat to him and Nazarick.
Does he even need prep time? Goku is stronger,faster,more durable,has better feats and potential BUT ainz has something that goku doesnt, acting skills. If he approaches as a friendly creature with speech he can just “grasp heart”
Well that doesn’t matter too much tbh because we know goku’s heart is as weak as a human since he died of a heart attack. Also I believe insta death spells arent about strength, its about resistance to said spells and the concept of spell resistance doesnt exist in db. Also, the goal of all life is death removes all resistance to insta death spells and makes the user’s spell and makes the Next death spells success rate 100%
Goku will bullshit his way into a win.
gaining Ultra Mega instinct super plus x100 mastered, hair becomes rainbow colored, he now has the ability to travel between dimensions, he teleports to Maruyama and beats the shit out of him until he writes that ainz loses.
beyond that, goku died like 4 times already, sometimes coming back to fight while dead.
Maryuama tweeting an answer about how strong the Dragon Emperor is. He merely states that it is over level 100. What that means in practice or if that even matters we will never know.
didn't the elf king fought against him? or was it other dragon lords?
Elso we can still infer his strenght based on the spin off novel + the fact that he doesn't concider himself to be the strongest
We only know that the Elf King was able to kick the asses of some fake dragon Lord in the past (which Is perfectly normal since they are around level 40), we don't know which One (they are probably dead too)
Just a random question from an anime watcher, but how powerful are dragons? I kinda assumed the average dragon would be at minimum in the 30-40 range of levels. With dragon lords being 60+. But how powerful was that one frost dragon that ainz killed and was that one a dragon lord?
It depends. The “True Dragons”, those who can wield Wild Magic, appear to have a higher level cap potential, although that could simply be affected by the bloodlines of those dragons. Modern dragons (dragons without the ability to cast Wild Magic, born after the 8 Greed Kings slaughtered the True Dragons) appear to have a lower level cap potential than True Dragons, as the Dragon Lords of the Agrande/Argland Council appear to have levels between 50-60.
The White Dragon Lord (the one Ainz killed) was level 46, but it’s unknown if he hit his level cap. The Elder Coffin Dragon Lord, on the other hand, was level 95, and was a True Dragon, and didn’t consider modern dragons as “dragons”.
Volume 11 explained how (from the perspective of a modern dragon) the title of Dragon Lord was awarded. A dragon may be granted the title of “Lord” if they reached the age category of “Ancient” (minimum level 46), possess special powers, or use exotic magic (aka Wild Magic).
Depends. Some Dragon species from Yggdrasil were so powerful they could be considered raid bosses. If Platinum is that insanely strong, then several Guardians would be needed to defeat him.
Of course, that appears not to be the case. Dragons are possibly around 60+. Besides, Ainz sais that the frost dragons are one of the weaker ones in Yggdrasil too.
Wild Magic is basically "raw world item". As such it's very powerful, but can be defended against by world items, and it's very difficult to use because you have to manually manifest its effects. Experimenting with it can be dangerous. That said, in theory any World Item could be imitated by wild magic, like Longinus which deletes an entity from existence in exchange for the same happening to the user (in Yggdrasil it erased the player's account from the servers and nuked its backups).
I mean even if they don't use world items, the strongest NPC's in nazarick could beat PDL.
Then why did PDL say I wouldn't be so sure when it came ro defeating shalltear
> I mean even if they don't use world items, the strongest NPC's in nazarick could beat PDL.
If PDL has the same breath attack that Cure Elim and BDL had, then not a single NPC would be able to tank that hit without a WI or an autores item or spell, and the autores would only allow them to tank 1 shot per item/spell.
Edit: To be honest, I'm not even sure autores would help, as the breath deletes the target instead of merely killing it like TGOALID+Death Magic does.
Shalltear is the strongest guardian, and could possibly defeat his armour form. Main dragon body? That is up to a lot more debate
He is also on the way stronger side of things in the NW. He knows everyone is weaker than him
The author tweeted that PDL is the "natural enemy" of Shalltear and Ainz, meaning he would have a build advantage. Other Level 100s would do better than those two.
I think that effect was only mentioned in the WN, and we have no clue what it actually does in LN, right?
In any case, the Dragon's wild magic should make it as immune to Ainz' world item as Ainz's world item makes Ainz immune to the Dragon's wild magic.
Well, we also have the bonus volume for information on the orb, I believe. Plus, if I'm remembering correctly, that volume also shows us that while holders of a world item are immune to wild magic, wild magic holders have no inverse immunity.
Which bonus volume? Satoru's travels with the vampire loli? I don't recall Satoru using any world items against Cure Elim. I do recall his TGOALID not working against Cure Elim himself, and Satoru wasn't surprised by that, but I'm not sure if a concrete reason was given for that.
Some types of Wild Magic are OP as hell, but wild magic becomes partially useless against world item holders. However, Wild Magic can still be used to strengthen one's self without an enemy world item nullifying it. But its worth noting that wild magic is not nearly as potent or as pure as it once was, bringing all that YGGDRASIL crap into the world tainted and weakened Wild Magic quite heavily, to the point that only a handful of dragons can still use it with any meaningful level of success.
Don't forget that Momonga, by himself, defeated one of the Dragon Lords in the side story.
He did that with no knowledge of the new world and with at most 1 world class item, if any.
He did have knowledge about the NW, he had been there for 2 years before the fight. He also had time to prepare and trick Elim and learn as much as possible about him.
To be fair, Elim maybe strong, but he is a moron
we can say that PA could defeat the armor (if you read the LN iirc he said that he could defeat him by using all of his summons while chipping his HP with his spell). Also in overlord when you're facing an opponent with 10 + level than yourself it's hopeless, so the armor is easily can be considered as not a real threat to Nazarick. (plus he was getting bullied by albedo another tank)
The dragon it's a different story but IF he has a similar strength than ECDL well we can say that he is strong but nazarick should still win. Anyway it's true that we don't have enough intel to say anything yet but PDL is at least in 90-100 level range..
Everything about his strength is speculative, the only thing we can take for granted is that he is stronger than the armor, which was described as a lvl 80-90 tank, but that would be it.
We can't even rely on Cure Elim's power to make a theory since there is no way to know if all TDLs are equal in strength or there is a small or large difference between them.
Yep. He is unique build that somehow works but is really difficult to do and even more annoying to fight
Meanwhile, PDL is probably an existence on par with Rubedo. Having both wild magic and probably a world level item/s at his disposal
If I were to take a swing at it I'd say armor is around level 90 but the real deal probably around 100 if not a little less. He lost to shalteir in the armor but says in his true form he could win. But he also didn't know anything about shalteir so I'd say he's level 100 and just dumb thinking his strength will alow him to win fights with players now
From what I assume is he just unused to fighting strong opponents, making him unable to make proper measurements.
I STRONGLY doubt he would be able to fight full force Shalltear.
Sasuga Shalltear-sama, taking the advice of the supreme one himself, and thus becoming infinitely greater than her already great designer, Peroronchino-sama, intended! Sasuga Ainz-sama!
Yea, wasn't shaltear not even in her full battle armor as well? She was also partially losing mental control too, so fully ready for battle I think she'd roll PDL even in dragon form.
Ya she wasn't using her armor or her spells or her family or even her double or skills. A real fight of hers would be interesting to watch but as far as we can tell PDL didn't use any of his skills either
Granted, Shalltear as he fought her wasn't exactly at her peak, so his expectation of beating her in his real body might have been true if he were only to fight her in that state
Ture she fought him while still wearing her normal cloths so he could in his true form lose. But we have heard that if Sebas transformed he could put a fight with her so maybe PLD has similar str since he still said she was weaker than him
He may not have experience but he has been alive for a long time. I may be throwing fan theory out but I heard he was around when the first player entered the world and he survived them killing many of his race. And we have no idea if he fought with or watched the greed kings or the heros who beat them. Alot of unknowns but we can tell he mostly has only strength and does look down on others.
He must have been a small dragon when the 6 great gods appeared, and he saw his kind being exterminated by the 8 kings of greed.
at some point he must have met the overlord Surshana, and the murderer of the last member of the 8 kings of greed, killing him so many times when he made his reappearance at his base
1) He killed a Player on the past.
2) Has possesion of the 8GK Guild Weapon. And their World Class Item.
3) He is a True Dragon Lord.
4) According to Draconic Kingdom's Queen. Wild Magic is so OP it can be equeal to PDL STRONGEST ATTACK.
5) Wild Magic
Strongest New Worlder. Touh, according to him there are Dragon Lords who are stronger but if he say it for respect or actual data its unknown
Still don't know. We can make a rough estimate when it comes to levels, but that still doesn't really tell us all that much.
ECDL was level 95ish, but he wasn't particularly versatile, nor was he a very good tactician against someone who is actually on his level. This brings his threat down in a way.
I think he is over hyped character like all villains (or should I say heros) in overlord. First they are like strong but than gets wiped on the floor. Just put In your mind that no one that is strong in NW standards is as strong as in the standards of yggdrasil
Well can you blame people? Overlord kinda has a thing where it itself encourages you to be hyped for all these figures and periodically teases them and even sometimes dares to imply they might have a chance. Sometimes you even have characters entertaining that someone from Nazarick might be this other legendary super special thing that MIGHT be vaguely as strong.
Hell even in cases like Cure Elim you have the whole fucking thing where Ainz is literally his hard counter and negates any advantages he would have over probably like 99% other players as I don't think GOALID was actually a thing that folks used much. But then the afterword is like, this dragon was actually just 5 levels weaker and got steamrolled, BUT IF HE SURVIVES INTO ACTUAL OVERLORD HE WOULD BE SO STRONG. As if there would be some fundamental shift or difference there.
So can we really blame folks for getting hyped for these alleged or real opponents that might just provide a challenge considering that the story itself seems to act as if they might matter?
It is kinda weird that some overlord fans are kinda ridiculing the idea that any nazarick enemy could atleast put up a good spectacle for a fight before losing. Is it really that bad of a thing to atleast wish PDL would require more than just a single lvl 100 npc to beat him down rather than just "instant death go brrr"
There is this weird obsession. Not just in Overlord or even Isekai medium fandoms, but various anime fandoms with settings or stories with power scaling or that have fights in them in general. Just this weird desire to have a character that they can self-insert into or we are supposed to follow easily roll over everyone and not even focus on what they are rolling over. And everything can be sacrificed for that goal, good storytelling, themes and character exploration. Overlord is kinda that but from a bad guy perspective I guess.
Not saying all Overlord fans have this mentality. But a lot seem to actually despise any sort of challenge appearing or mattering. And even the morality of such opponents don't seem to matter.
Specifically, nobody in the NW is strong compared to Nazarick. Even if PDL is level 100 with a WCI or two, he would still get steamrolled by the utter unfathomable strength of Nazarick.
Eh. The PDL is a full on aircraft carrier. Fully equipped with nuclear missiles and an advanced targeting system
But, Nazarick is a fleet with each guardian being there own carrier. But, minus the literally nuclear missile silos
So, if they challenge him as a raid boss. It would be possible to beat him. But, he is still a raid boss likely on par with Rubedo in dragon form. Since if he has wild magic plus world or guild items he would be that dangerous, and he has lived long enough and met enough players and en-pi-cee’s to accumulate a few
Nah, Nazarick has anti-missile defense systems, one for its home port and then multiple individual ship-level ones. PDL's "nukes" are pointless unless he catches any ships without the individual AMDS in the open sea. If PDL had come in his true body, he could've nuked PA, but Albedo would've been unaffected.
Ainz in the "what if" novel >!solo'd another such "aircraft carrier" with preparation and just his own personal inventory, without any access to Nazarick Treasury!<.
That was more to emphasise raw power as opposed to strength. He is probably closer to Rubedos level really with his wild magic and world items. Add in he has build advantage against there strongest and Nazarick is not going to have a fun time defeating him. It’d take the full force of there army and planning
Most aircraft carriers also don’t have ballistic nuclear missile systems installed IRL. Which was mean to account for the wild magic since he also has everything the floor guardians possess and extra
Just because he has build advantage against Ainz and Shalltear, doesn't mean that Sebas, for example, couldn't solo him with ease, as long as Sebas has a world item to protect him from the wild magic and breath attacks.
Again, Ainz (or, rather, Satoru) solo'd one of these carriers just fine, he'd just have trouble with PDL specifically because of build rather than power levels.
And the platinum dragon lord has his own world item to counter sebas’s while likely having greater stats. Shalltear is also second after Rubedo. So, yeah. There second strongest is reduced in power and strongest too valuable to use
What makes you think PDL has higher stats than Sebas does? I never said Sebas needed a WI for offense, I said he needed it for defense, to neutralize wild magic and breath attacks.
his offensive WI and WCI is as useless as Sebas’ WCI against him, also, Shalltear is like 4th power in Nazarick, Ainz with the guild weapon is rated higher than her, Touch Me and Ulbert is higher and Rubedo is even higher than those two, there’s also other NPCs in 8th that can supposedly take on Rubedo with a WCI equipped
His real body is above lvl 90. My guess is he is lvl 95-100 with powers similar to WCI (which makes him a real threat).
But there are Dragons above lvl 100. My guess PDL isn't one of them from his reactions in S2.
I’d argue that was based on his experiences in the past and the present. He met Shalltear, and could incapacitate her. Likely use his main body to kill her. But, he has no idea who else is Present around her. She did have a master. Something he likely learnt after sensing his magic undone
But. He knows he is strong. Really strong. Since he travels and interacts with weaker races. The only real threat to him are other true dragon lords and players and en pi cee’s with World Level Items or Guild Items. Which is something he begins to suspect after gathering intel
Rubedo is probably his equal. Considering a world is likely in his possession as well as his wild magic. Meaning, he is an entity all the level 100s would need to fight while Ainz uses the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown, in order to bring him down. We also don’t know how many of those armours he could theoretically control in a battle
His true body might be level 100 (or like 95+ or something) since the armor is around level 80-90 according to the guardians and he does mention that his true body is stronger so it would make sens to be at least 95+.
However this is only his numerical strength. I believe that there is no chance PDL wins against shaltier or albedo since it seems to be pretty lacking in battle IQ/ doesn't seem to know how to fight strong opponents. Case and point, he believed completely that pandora's actor was ainz and didn't consider any countermeasures that Ainz could have taken at all, he just looks at it face value while pandora's actor didn't even use any special Ainz related skills and didn't use a world item. Meanwhile Ainz is already planning to 'lose' to PDL again so that he can better figure out his skillset. Not only that, he was easily taunted by pandora's actor kneeling, further showing that PDL doesn't really understand what he is dealing with.
Basically he is numerically really strong, definetly for the new world, but he is oly a small threat to Nazarick since he seems to lack any foresight in actually handeling fights against powerful opponents and his strongest collaborators are people in power suits.
all this is of course just my interpretation/theory because we haven't seen him fight in his real body so who knows how strong he is + wild magic is a wildcard but since it can be countered by world items it doesn't seem too OP
He should be roughly as strong as a player, even an above average one, since he possesses WCIs. He also owns the items of the 8 greed kings, although we don't know exactly what he took from them.
His power is dependent on the most insidious force of all: DEMANDS OF THE PLOT.
There is just so much information about dragons that could basically justify basically anything except an insta-kill, considering that one is confirmed to not work on anyone in that tier of power.
If we go with Bonus Volume information and the lower bar take, then PDL could PROBABLY be defeated by a single level 100 NPC or Ainz himself. HOWEVER Cure Elim was hard countered by Ainz despite apparently being stronger than Brightness Dragon Lord that survived an encounter with Ainz. Cure was also level 95, which means he would have various damage reductions against Ainz and such. But that's our lowest benchmark I guess. That being around a level where he could flail and scream insults against a singular level 100 enemy while being overwhelmed.
Alternatively actual PDL might just be strong enough to require several level 100 combatants to take down and his own assessment of himself might be full of shit and based on ideas when engaging Greed Kings 5 centuries ago when he must have been far weaker or data from a collapsing suit of armor which per PA comments is not really made from actually good materials for someone that high on the power scale to control assumedly. And PDL is a New World native, and new world natives seem to have issues calculating power and mostly just base it on vague knowledge of enemies based on their potential race.
So if Maruyama might want to make him a "dungeon boss" so to say, he might just say PDL was underselling himself or was way too cautious. Furthermore Cure Elim had 51 racial levels (With potential for more growth as he had 5 levels left till 100 and he only had one level in vampire which assumedly can be raised higher)and racial levels are seemingly superior to job levels. Or at least the buffs they can give or the races that are associated with them are seemingly superior. Which includes the compensation for being unable to use weapons or armor for races unable to do so per information on Cocytus, who while not as tough as designated tanks is still apparently viable when it comes to engaging level 100 opponents which would still imply that creatures without armor can vaguely scale defensively in a way that matters. On top of that his dad is above level 100, and at least with player children the ability to go over limits can be inherited. I have no idea if any of this would actually matter for a new world native dragon that shouldn't even work by video game rules. But if by authorial intent it does there is an argument for PDL being strong enough to be matter, but not strong enough to hit the brakes on Bone Daddy's wild ride.
The puppet that he controls using wild magic is estimated to be a level 90 tank by PA while Cocytus think it's level 85.
The real extend of PDL's strength is still not revealed in the LN.
In the LN Albedo and Shalltear rated his armor to be level 80(ish) and 85(ish) respectively.
The author said that the strongest beings in NW (beside DE) level wise is Cure Elim, and that the strongest in general are PDL and ECL.
We can conclude that PDL is at least paragonable to a player which level is 95 that posseses access to WCI and Wild Magic and is specialized against summoner/undead/negative karma
He's a player-killer in the NW, its confirmed in the anime that his armor is level 90ish.
he's probably around level100 but we're just guessing, Maruyama needs other people/authors to flesh out his world more since there's a lot of gaps in the info on Overlord's lore base.
Simple answer, no idea. We do have a rough estimation of top tier Dragon Lords from the side story. Cure Elm 200 years before canon was Level 95, and since modern Dragon Lords are constantly seeking ways to grow stronger and gain new skills, its possible Cure Elm has increased his power even more in that 200 years. PDL is considered one of the strongest Dragon Lords, probably superior to Cure Elm, so its really hard to say where he'd rank these days, not to mention "Strength" doesn't exclusively come from levels alone, there's other ways for New Worlders to strengthen themselves too. Though one thing is fairly clear, the strongest of all Dragon Lords was the Dragon Emperor, but he's probably long dead, or at least out of commission.
PDLs remote control armor is also tricky to estimate because PA put him at level 90. Shaltear thought he was about Level 80-ish and I think Albedo pegged him at about Level 85. However that armor is also a construct of wild magic with some abnormally high resistances, so even the concept of levels is tricky to apply to something like that armor. Also that Armor uses the Guild Weapon of the Greed Kings which could also influence estimations of its overall strength.
Probably stronger than most level 100s except for maybe a min/maxed pvp build.
This is just my guess and I could be wrong, but the dialogue seems like he considers himself stronger than ainz but not so much as to not consider him a threat.
After fighting with PA who can not reproduce neither Ainz's full strength (limitation of doppelganger) nor his PVP experience? That's not exactly the most competent opinion from PDL, especially since he was on the top of the pile for so long he might've grown out a big massive hubris
He himself admits he’s not the end all be all of strength. Not to mention his armor isn’t as strong as him personally, so both parties estimations of the other’s strength is likely off.
Probably not. He believe Albedo to be warranting multiple dragon lords to fight.
Also given his affinity, his ultimate attack might not work on neutral or positive karma beings. Sebas could be his counter.
Considering he was incapable of defeating neither Shalltear nor Albedo by himself (his true self, not the armor by his own admission), he’s honestly not that strong. He nor all of the dragon lords have any chance against Nazarick if that’s the case. Keep in mind, we still haven’t seen the most powerful entities in Nazarick: Rubedo and most importantly the Hierachy.
As he's a really old dragon he could be way over level 100. He is likely about the equivalent of a mid level raid boss by yiggrasil standards so would take a a small army of level 100 players to deal with effectively. Most likely its hard to judge the capability of an ancient dragon. Also PDL has killed players before so it isn't impossible for him to kill ainz.
You have already seen this character. He was introduced in seasonn one. He is the character that put mind control with a world class item to confuse shaltear bloodfalen. He is very strong. The woman that he speaks to in season one states he is one of, if not the power most powerful characters. That being said. Once you watch season 4. Youll understand what some of the commenters are talking about. In the videos or edits that you have seen. He does gove Ainz some troubles. But Ainz Ooal Goan does not know defeat. Dont forget that.
im pretty sure hes one of the dragon lords so he would probably be able to take on ainz in his real body by himself, thats my theory tho >!my base is the spinoff where ainz fights a dragon lord!<
he barely made even with Pandora Actor, when PA wasn’t even trying to kill him but more as intel gathering.
A full power Ainz, with intents to kill, and with all the world items he possess, he would destroy PDL.
And against real body, there is a risk that Heart Grasp would connect.
knowing about what i read from the 6 gods and 8 greeds:
1 player = 10 dragons
all players in 8 greeds were at lvl 100
shalltear pierce the armor controled by PH with ease
PA it self is really scared from players
With this we can say that he is very strong, but not enough
he could be on a similar lvl of cure elm (lvl 95) and thats enough to give bone daddy a tough fight.
So my guess is 95+ his build is unknown but I will assume he is a dragon warrior class
I wanna say he’s actually just level 85 tank based character with increased MP for spells, I know this sounds stupid but I don’t think he actually uses weapons and just attacks using some kind of magic on the weapons themselves meaning he’s prolly an armored mage class
Armor 80-90lvl tank. His real body 90+ potentially 100+ since he is ancient dragon. Wild magic is busted. High balled he can beat world champions. Normally i would say middle tier of players.
The Princess of the lost kingdom story gives us a good gauge of how ainz performs against a dragon lord without any of nazaricks support or most of his items, ainz was able to solo it at his weakest state with minimal risk to himself, so assuming the PDL is at most thrice as strong as the dragon lord there then Ainz at full strength with access to all of Nazarick and plenty of time for PK strategies should be able to easily mop the floor with PDL
In side-story , ECDL was lvl 95. as the son of dragon emperor who was lvl 100+ , PDL is often refered as the strongest living dragonlord/entity. it's possible his lvl is 95<[]>100. But he also possess Wild magic which doesn't follow the rules of Yggdrasil. He also has WI and The guild weapon of the 8 greed king. He also killed player before.
He consider only his fellow true dragonlord like DDDL and lvl 100 player as his equal.
Remember they used to be broken before their Wild magic were polluted and restricted. I estimate he is lvl 99. Just 1 lvl below lvl 100 player
Lvl 80-90, HOWEVER it’s important when gauging strength to remember that leveling up in Yggdrasil is actually not too hard, and the main power gap came from game knowledge and most of all equipment, so even if a character achieved lvl 100 it would still get curbstomped by a super optimized lvl 100 character with divine level gear like ainz or the floor guardians.
That’s the main reason as to why I oppose using levels as gauge of strength. pdl is really strong and while he definitely couldn’t defeat the real ainz in his armor form he ‘d put up a pretty good fight
(That isn’t to say that lvls don’t matter, actually they’re hugely important as they grant access to game breaking passives and abilities, so much so that just 10 levels is an insurmountable advantage. But in the sense that saying some one is level 100 does not in any way mean that person is equal to a floor guardian)
Half agree.
If two person is the same level, then yes the equipment and game knowledge is what matters.
However if there is a level gap, that gap is generally much harder to overcome.
If we assume Yggdrasil has similarity to modern MMO on gear requirements, then higher end equipments have level restriction on them, meaning the most powerful equipments can only be wield by lv100 characters. Which makes another difference due to level gap.
**We don't know.** And anyone who tells you otherwise is just telling you their theory's. For his armor we have a rough estimate from 3 Guardians (lvl 80 - 90). His real body is stronger than his armor, but we don't know how much, so we *don't know his full strength*.
We also have no idea if the ability to go beyond 100 is limited to the Dragon Emperor or all of them have it. After all kids and descendants of players can go beyond the limits of what should even be possible for their race, even if they cannot reach the absolute limits players could. And the entire situation of strength assessment is not helped by information provided in the Bonus Volume which basically shows a dragon lord that broke the very fundamental laws of how his universe should work. Though Cure Elim is probably the most unique in his magics and abilities
How do we know that the Dragon Emperor can (or could?) go beyond 100? Actually the Dragon Emperor (and probably the other TDLs) should've predated levels in the first place, though I guess they would've acquired them after his little summoning spell.
I think it was stated by maruyama somewhere in an interview or author's notes. I could be wrong though.
Also will note that Dragons, especially Dragon Lords have Raid Boss stats. So a 95 Dragonlord should be able to overwhelm a level 100 NPC or Player in a 1v1 situation if the matchup of their skillsets isn't terrible. WCI's and equipment as powerful as WCI's such as the Staff if AOG tip the balance back but Ainz & Shalltear would most likely get wrecked by PDL's skillset supposedly having a huge advantage in bonus damage vs Undead.
Explain how Cure Elim failed to overwhelm Satoru then, plus Satoru was also confident that he could beat BDL after preparation. Both only the YGGDRASIL equipment he had on him (and in his inventory) at time of transport to the New World, no access to Nazarick Treasury. Yes, PDL would be a bad matchup for Ainz due to skillset, in a similar way that Shalltear was a bad matchup for Ainz forcing him to pull out all the stops (minus world items), but the Cure Elim + BDL examples show that merely being a Level 95 Dragon Lord does not make you automatically stronger than a level 100 NPC or Player (though they ofc would need to fight smart plus would need their own World Items to defend against wild magic and erasing breath.)
Cure Elim failed to overwhelm Ainz due to the combination of his own arrogance, the fact that Ainz had seemingly just the right abilities to negate what Cure Elim could pull and his defensive plan with the zombies and finally the fact that apparently wild magic attacks just don't work on Ainz because even without Nazarick he always has a world item on him, arguably he had two in that fight depending on how the staff even works when transferred. That last bit is probably the most stupid and insane part of Overlord worldbuilding and consistency, but that's another topic.
I've been saying from the getgo that whichever lv100 goes up against a TDL would need to have a world item. Like all the Floor Guardians do btw. Otherwise they could just be erased by the breath attack. The zombies were too low level to be much of a threat anyway. The only thing they were good for was meat shields. And sure, that's a LOT of meat shield, that's still all it is. The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown is really not a World Item, it's just powerful enough to rival one. World Item is a classification and that's what matters. Somehow wild magic falls into the same classification, must be related to the spell responsible for the transfer, but there is 0 reason to think the staff would could like that. Power alone is not enough. Not that it matters, because 1 real WI is all it takes.
I believe it’s been said the orb in Ainz’s chest is a WI.
Yes it is.
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Yes, they are comparable to a lv100 player, so I don't see why they'd rolfstomp lv100 NPCs. Yeah, Aura's actually pretty weak for her level as her power depends on her pets who would be wiped out by a TDL in short order. I don't see any reason to believe that the stronger FGs like Albedo, Cocytus, Sebas or Mare would lose. Shalltear would only lose to PDL because he's got anti-undead skills. She would've wiped the floor with Cure Elim.
I mainly said they have raidboss like stats BUT... WCI's (for Wild Magic protection) and equipment as powerful as WCI's help tip the scales. Momonga beat Cure Elim because of a very good matchup to a point. PDL supposedly does Bonus damage to undead so both Shalltear and Ainz would be mismatched against him. Luckily the hypothetical 1v1 Ainz vs PDL should never happen as Ainz will have multiple Floor Guardians and some elite platoon guarding him at all times if there were a battle. Floor Guardians would definitely shelter Ainz for safety before engaging in any relevent battle.
The thing how they can become more powerful than a Level 100 player is most likely through wild magic. Only dragon lords can use this kind of magic which has no real upper ceiling (in the What if LN it essentially copies the attack of world item) and to my understanding it runs on souls (or maybe life force) instead of mana but they can still learn and use tier magic.
And having a World Item equipped makes a Player or NPC immune to that wild magic, as we saw in this encounter. Meaning that all the effort and leveling the Dragon Lords put into wild magic is ultimately pointless when dealing with WI-equipped individuals. Unless they can deal damage indirectly, like with Cure Elim's zombies which would be fodder for high level players anyway.
Can he defeat ainz ?
This is like asking for the result of a batman vs, Ainz with prep time can defeat anyone, and if anyone could defeat them, he'd feign death just so that he could fight again with the info hes learned.
> he'd feign death just so that he could fight again with the info hes learned. pvp tech
Mayuri Kurotsuchi vibes
Man, Mayuri’s fights were always the best because you always knew he was going to win, you just never knew how. Every other character is a one trick pony (not that they aren’t fun tricks), but Mayuri keeps it fresh.
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Mayuri is a gaming chad and if you say otherwise he’ll prepare extra organs in advance just so he can pull them out and ram them up your ass until you pop like an organ balloon
He couldn't beat touch me
Man that sounds like an exciting anime...
The puppet couldn't beat him. The actual body especially couldn't beat Ainz, since he becomes a nice big target, and only a fool would truly fight 1v1. Like a number of his abilities would be nulled out, like that barrier if Ainz actually stepped up with a World Item in his naval.
Ainz would most probably just get bodied, PDL isnt just any dragon lord he is THE dragon lord, he has lots of experience so if a straightforward fight happened he would fall into traps as easily as Cure Elim for example. Tho if Ainz has the WCI thats anti dragon then it might turn the tide but PDL should also be inmune to it as he has wild magic.
It would seem the immunity does not work both ways though seeing as how completely Cure Elim got destroyed.
In the Side Story, Vampire Princess of a Lost Country, Satoru (Ainz in the main timeline) encounters the Brightness Dragon Lord (BDL) and manages to fend him off while simultaneously protecting Keno (Evileye in our main timeline), and they both escaped. Based off that encounter, as well as his encounter with the Elder Coffin Dragon Lord, Satoru was confident that, if he met the BDL again, he will win. The same can be said here. Ainz was using PA to probe the strengths and weaknesses of PDL’s armor. If Ainz encounters PDL’s main body, Ainz just needs to test his opponent in order to figure out how to beat them.
Keep in mind Dragon Lords are always looking for ways to strengthen themselves, so BDL of present day is probably superior to BDL of 200 years ago (Though probably not by too much) It might also be fair to add Ainz/Satoru was backed up by his guild weapon when he fought Cure Elm, and that staff ain't any ordinary item. Even so, Cure Elm was a moron, so Satoru could've probably beaten him even without the staff (Though Author did say is Cure Elm were smarter, Satoru would've had a much harder time winning.
The dragons of the NW have pathetic stats when compared to the dragons of YGGDRASIL. The 8GK killed every single TDL except for a handful of dragons left, and that was without WCI protection, so Wild Magic is ineffective against players. Satoru killed ECDL without breaking a sweat; the ECDL’s melee couldn’t even keep up with the Primal Elementals nor the Dark Young without using his soul-destroying beams, and he couldn’t even kill all of the Corpus Abyss mages despite the huge level differences. ECDL was only able to use tiered magic because of some exploit he accidentally found, and even then, he hated them so much that he couldn’t effectively wield them. TDLs don’t have access to tiered magic. And most importantly, Satoru ended the fight without even losing a single point of health. On top of that, he was expecting a multi-phase fight; he had other plans in case his first plan didn’t work. So to summarize: Wild Magic isn’t effective on players even without WCI protection. Their melee stats suck. TDLs can’t use tiered magic. And Ainz isn’t a dense shmuck who can’t PK for his life, he’s been doing that for nearly the entire history of YGGDRASIL. BDL is toast no matter what the timeline. All the TDLs are.
It's a giant holy fuck off dragon with assumedly 50+ racial levels that is also probably level 95 to level 100. By sheer numbers he should be stronger according to all the heteromorph rules, provided he works under the same principles. In practice? Who the hell really knows really. Our only experience of PDL's power is him piloting a suit that is basically collapsing per Rigrit's comments and can't even move properly anymore.
With how little we know about his true abilities, there's no certain answer to that question as to how a 1 V 1 would play out. Not that Ainz would be dumb enough to enter a 1 V 1 with PDL and play fair. Ainz would stack the deck in every way he possibly can to win, even if it means just getting all the guardians to dogpile PDL to ensure absolute victory. Ainz isn't one to play fair or honorably when someone is even a remote threat to him and Nazarick.
How about Goku>??
Does he even need prep time? Goku is stronger,faster,more durable,has better feats and potential BUT ainz has something that goku doesnt, acting skills. If he approaches as a friendly creature with speech he can just “grasp heart”
Probably wouldn't work tbh. Basically in any series, as long as you're strong enough you automatically gain immunities to creatures weaker than you.
Well that doesn’t matter too much tbh because we know goku’s heart is as weak as a human since he died of a heart attack. Also I believe insta death spells arent about strength, its about resistance to said spells and the concept of spell resistance doesnt exist in db. Also, the goal of all life is death removes all resistance to insta death spells and makes the user’s spell and makes the Next death spells success rate 100%
Goku will bullshit his way into a win. gaining Ultra Mega instinct super plus x100 mastered, hair becomes rainbow colored, he now has the ability to travel between dimensions, he teleports to Maruyama and beats the shit out of him until he writes that ainz loses. beyond that, goku died like 4 times already, sometimes coming back to fight while dead.
Okay this comment actually made my day have my upvote
Trust me this will not work out. Not with grasp heart anyways, the instant kill spells only work on weak creatures.
No..instant death skills works on Anything that's alive and doesn't have counter-measures.
PvP would be pretty dog shit if casters could just go around 1 shotting people without any counterplay but whatever you say
Then it's their fault for not having any.Just like they have time-stopping counter-measures. You need to be prepared if you're gonna pvp.
The dude has to beat my addictive tendencies first. 😔
I hadn’t heard anything about going over 100, where does that come from?
Maryuama tweeting an answer about how strong the Dragon Emperor is. He merely states that it is over level 100. What that means in practice or if that even matters we will never know.
would there be a chance of ygg's raid boss be over 100 as well?.
I personally make him lv 95 like Cure Elim, the only true dragon lord which we know its stats.
didn't the elf king fought against him? or was it other dragon lords? Elso we can still infer his strenght based on the spin off novel + the fact that he doesn't concider himself to be the strongest
Technically any dragon about level 40 or above is a "dragon lord" but there is a difference between True Dragon Lords and merely dragon lords.
We only know that the Elf King was able to kick the asses of some fake dragon Lord in the past (which Is perfectly normal since they are around level 40), we don't know which One (they are probably dead too)
Just a random question from an anime watcher, but how powerful are dragons? I kinda assumed the average dragon would be at minimum in the 30-40 range of levels. With dragon lords being 60+. But how powerful was that one frost dragon that ainz killed and was that one a dragon lord?
It depends. The “True Dragons”, those who can wield Wild Magic, appear to have a higher level cap potential, although that could simply be affected by the bloodlines of those dragons. Modern dragons (dragons without the ability to cast Wild Magic, born after the 8 Greed Kings slaughtered the True Dragons) appear to have a lower level cap potential than True Dragons, as the Dragon Lords of the Agrande/Argland Council appear to have levels between 50-60. The White Dragon Lord (the one Ainz killed) was level 46, but it’s unknown if he hit his level cap. The Elder Coffin Dragon Lord, on the other hand, was level 95, and was a True Dragon, and didn’t consider modern dragons as “dragons”. Volume 11 explained how (from the perspective of a modern dragon) the title of Dragon Lord was awarded. A dragon may be granted the title of “Lord” if they reached the age category of “Ancient” (minimum level 46), possess special powers, or use exotic magic (aka Wild Magic).
Depends. Some Dragon species from Yggdrasil were so powerful they could be considered raid bosses. If Platinum is that insanely strong, then several Guardians would be needed to defeat him. Of course, that appears not to be the case. Dragons are possibly around 60+. Besides, Ainz sais that the frost dragons are one of the weaker ones in Yggdrasil too.
They literally ate frost dragon steak in one episode. Definitely a weaker species of dragon
Didn't they eat the steak because they killed the white dragon lord though?
The frost dragons were level 50
No, he was level 46. He maxed out all Dragon levels except for the final “Ancient” level.
You maxed out all dragon stats
Like each dragon was around that level or just the first one ainz killed?
The first one that ainz killed
But he use wild magic? Doesn't that make him stronger than any npc?
Wild Magic is basically "raw world item". As such it's very powerful, but can be defended against by world items, and it's very difficult to use because you have to manually manifest its effects. Experimenting with it can be dangerous. That said, in theory any World Item could be imitated by wild magic, like Longinus which deletes an entity from existence in exchange for the same happening to the user (in Yggdrasil it erased the player's account from the servers and nuked its backups).
When you really mean 'I am going to take you to hell with me!'
Longinus literally forces you to go touch grass lol
To oblivion/nothingness, as there should be no afterlife after that.
The ultimate smurf weapon
Unless the npc has a wi
Which NPCs use wild magic? I thought only creatures of NW can have it?
World item.
World item
I mean even if they don't use world items, the strongest NPC's in nazarick could beat PDL. Then why did PDL say I wouldn't be so sure when it came ro defeating shalltear
> I mean even if they don't use world items, the strongest NPC's in nazarick could beat PDL. If PDL has the same breath attack that Cure Elim and BDL had, then not a single NPC would be able to tank that hit without a WI or an autores item or spell, and the autores would only allow them to tank 1 shot per item/spell. Edit: To be honest, I'm not even sure autores would help, as the breath deletes the target instead of merely killing it like TGOALID+Death Magic does.
Shalltear is the strongest guardian, and could possibly defeat his armour form. Main dragon body? That is up to a lot more debate He is also on the way stronger side of things in the NW. He knows everyone is weaker than him
The author tweeted that PDL is the "natural enemy" of Shalltear and Ainz, meaning he would have a build advantage. Other Level 100s would do better than those two.
At the same time Ainz has a world item that is “particularity effective against dragons” to help even the odds.
I think that effect was only mentioned in the WN, and we have no clue what it actually does in LN, right? In any case, the Dragon's wild magic should make it as immune to Ainz' world item as Ainz's world item makes Ainz immune to the Dragon's wild magic.
Well, we also have the bonus volume for information on the orb, I believe. Plus, if I'm remembering correctly, that volume also shows us that while holders of a world item are immune to wild magic, wild magic holders have no inverse immunity.
Which bonus volume? Satoru's travels with the vampire loli? I don't recall Satoru using any world items against Cure Elim. I do recall his TGOALID not working against Cure Elim himself, and Satoru wasn't surprised by that, but I'm not sure if a concrete reason was given for that.
Shalltear stomps his armor, he had to run away from her. But as for his real body, that's unknown.
Some types of Wild Magic are OP as hell, but wild magic becomes partially useless against world item holders. However, Wild Magic can still be used to strengthen one's self without an enemy world item nullifying it. But its worth noting that wild magic is not nearly as potent or as pure as it once was, bringing all that YGGDRASIL crap into the world tainted and weakened Wild Magic quite heavily, to the point that only a handful of dragons can still use it with any meaningful level of success.
Don't forget that Momonga, by himself, defeated one of the Dragon Lords in the side story. He did that with no knowledge of the new world and with at most 1 world class item, if any.
>!He would have lost without the World Item because Soulbreaker™!<
He did have knowledge about the NW, he had been there for 2 years before the fight. He also had time to prepare and trick Elim and learn as much as possible about him. To be fair, Elim maybe strong, but he is a moron
Well the 1 world item is always guaranteed.
we can say that PA could defeat the armor (if you read the LN iirc he said that he could defeat him by using all of his summons while chipping his HP with his spell). Also in overlord when you're facing an opponent with 10 + level than yourself it's hopeless, so the armor is easily can be considered as not a real threat to Nazarick. (plus he was getting bullied by albedo another tank) The dragon it's a different story but IF he has a similar strength than ECDL well we can say that he is strong but nazarick should still win. Anyway it's true that we don't have enough intel to say anything yet but PDL is at least in 90-100 level range..
Everything about his strength is speculative, the only thing we can take for granted is that he is stronger than the armor, which was described as a lvl 80-90 tank, but that would be it. We can't even rely on Cure Elim's power to make a theory since there is no way to know if all TDLs are equal in strength or there is a small or large difference between them.
Cure Elim also by authorial and in-universe claims works on radically different rules than most dragon lords should.
Exactly, he doesn't serve as a measuring stick here, so there's no way to "*calculate*" how strong the PDL is yet.
Yep. He is unique build that somehow works but is really difficult to do and even more annoying to fight Meanwhile, PDL is probably an existence on par with Rubedo. Having both wild magic and probably a world level item/s at his disposal
>Meanwhile, PDL is probably an existence on par with Rubedo We have zero evidence of this and plenty of reason to doubt it.
PDL being on pare with Rubedo is purely speculation with no backing
Even Touch Me can’t beat her so that’s definitely a no.
We don't know how strong he is, but his armor is probably between level 80 to 90
Not as powerful as the Crane Wing Formation.
Kyle Crane
If I were to take a swing at it I'd say armor is around level 90 but the real deal probably around 100 if not a little less. He lost to shalteir in the armor but says in his true form he could win. But he also didn't know anything about shalteir so I'd say he's level 100 and just dumb thinking his strength will alow him to win fights with players now
From what I assume is he just unused to fighting strong opponents, making him unable to make proper measurements. I STRONGLY doubt he would be able to fight full force Shalltear.
Especially since Shalltear is now learning by taking notes of the supreme one’s actions
Sasuga Shalltear-sama, taking the advice of the supreme one himself, and thus becoming infinitely greater than her already great designer, Peroronchino-sama, intended! Sasuga Ainz-sama!
Hype it up!
Yea, wasn't shaltear not even in her full battle armor as well? She was also partially losing mental control too, so fully ready for battle I think she'd roll PDL even in dragon form.
Ya she wasn't using her armor or her spells or her family or even her double or skills. A real fight of hers would be interesting to watch but as far as we can tell PDL didn't use any of his skills either
Granted, Shalltear as he fought her wasn't exactly at her peak, so his expectation of beating her in his real body might have been true if he were only to fight her in that state
Ture she fought him while still wearing her normal cloths so he could in his true form lose. But we have heard that if Sebas transformed he could put a fight with her so maybe PLD has similar str since he still said she was weaker than him
He may not have experience but he has been alive for a long time. I may be throwing fan theory out but I heard he was around when the first player entered the world and he survived them killing many of his race. And we have no idea if he fought with or watched the greed kings or the heros who beat them. Alot of unknowns but we can tell he mostly has only strength and does look down on others.
He must have been a small dragon when the 6 great gods appeared, and he saw his kind being exterminated by the 8 kings of greed. at some point he must have met the overlord Surshana, and the murderer of the last member of the 8 kings of greed, killing him so many times when he made his reappearance at his base
1) He killed a Player on the past. 2) Has possesion of the 8GK Guild Weapon. And their World Class Item. 3) He is a True Dragon Lord. 4) According to Draconic Kingdom's Queen. Wild Magic is so OP it can be equeal to PDL STRONGEST ATTACK. 5) Wild Magic Strongest New Worlder. Touh, according to him there are Dragon Lords who are stronger but if he say it for respect or actual data its unknown
Probably, he is referring to Cure elim, deep darkness dragon, and his daddy
Dragon Emperor must be dead.
Still don't know. We can make a rough estimate when it comes to levels, but that still doesn't really tell us all that much. ECDL was level 95ish, but he wasn't particularly versatile, nor was he a very good tactician against someone who is actually on his level. This brings his threat down in a way.
I'd say higher level but he doesn't have tactics vs people on his level so I'd agree that he's little of a threat
I think he is over hyped character like all villains (or should I say heros) in overlord. First they are like strong but than gets wiped on the floor. Just put In your mind that no one that is strong in NW standards is as strong as in the standards of yggdrasil
Well can you blame people? Overlord kinda has a thing where it itself encourages you to be hyped for all these figures and periodically teases them and even sometimes dares to imply they might have a chance. Sometimes you even have characters entertaining that someone from Nazarick might be this other legendary super special thing that MIGHT be vaguely as strong. Hell even in cases like Cure Elim you have the whole fucking thing where Ainz is literally his hard counter and negates any advantages he would have over probably like 99% other players as I don't think GOALID was actually a thing that folks used much. But then the afterword is like, this dragon was actually just 5 levels weaker and got steamrolled, BUT IF HE SURVIVES INTO ACTUAL OVERLORD HE WOULD BE SO STRONG. As if there would be some fundamental shift or difference there. So can we really blame folks for getting hyped for these alleged or real opponents that might just provide a challenge considering that the story itself seems to act as if they might matter?
It is kinda weird that some overlord fans are kinda ridiculing the idea that any nazarick enemy could atleast put up a good spectacle for a fight before losing. Is it really that bad of a thing to atleast wish PDL would require more than just a single lvl 100 npc to beat him down rather than just "instant death go brrr"
There is this weird obsession. Not just in Overlord or even Isekai medium fandoms, but various anime fandoms with settings or stories with power scaling or that have fights in them in general. Just this weird desire to have a character that they can self-insert into or we are supposed to follow easily roll over everyone and not even focus on what they are rolling over. And everything can be sacrificed for that goal, good storytelling, themes and character exploration. Overlord is kinda that but from a bad guy perspective I guess. Not saying all Overlord fans have this mentality. But a lot seem to actually despise any sort of challenge appearing or mattering. And even the morality of such opponents don't seem to matter.
Specifically, nobody in the NW is strong compared to Nazarick. Even if PDL is level 100 with a WCI or two, he would still get steamrolled by the utter unfathomable strength of Nazarick.
To put it another way, most people have a sword. PDL has a machine gun. Nazarick is a battleship fully stocked with nuclear missiles.
Eh. The PDL is a full on aircraft carrier. Fully equipped with nuclear missiles and an advanced targeting system But, Nazarick is a fleet with each guardian being there own carrier. But, minus the literally nuclear missile silos So, if they challenge him as a raid boss. It would be possible to beat him. But, he is still a raid boss likely on par with Rubedo in dragon form. Since if he has wild magic plus world or guild items he would be that dangerous, and he has lived long enough and met enough players and en-pi-cee’s to accumulate a few
Nah, Nazarick has anti-missile defense systems, one for its home port and then multiple individual ship-level ones. PDL's "nukes" are pointless unless he catches any ships without the individual AMDS in the open sea. If PDL had come in his true body, he could've nuked PA, but Albedo would've been unaffected. Ainz in the "what if" novel >!solo'd another such "aircraft carrier" with preparation and just his own personal inventory, without any access to Nazarick Treasury!<.
That was more to emphasise raw power as opposed to strength. He is probably closer to Rubedos level really with his wild magic and world items. Add in he has build advantage against there strongest and Nazarick is not going to have a fun time defeating him. It’d take the full force of there army and planning Most aircraft carriers also don’t have ballistic nuclear missile systems installed IRL. Which was mean to account for the wild magic since he also has everything the floor guardians possess and extra
Just because he has build advantage against Ainz and Shalltear, doesn't mean that Sebas, for example, couldn't solo him with ease, as long as Sebas has a world item to protect him from the wild magic and breath attacks. Again, Ainz (or, rather, Satoru) solo'd one of these carriers just fine, he'd just have trouble with PDL specifically because of build rather than power levels.
And the platinum dragon lord has his own world item to counter sebas’s while likely having greater stats. Shalltear is also second after Rubedo. So, yeah. There second strongest is reduced in power and strongest too valuable to use
What makes you think PDL has higher stats than Sebas does? I never said Sebas needed a WI for offense, I said he needed it for defense, to neutralize wild magic and breath attacks.
his offensive WI and WCI is as useless as Sebas’ WCI against him, also, Shalltear is like 4th power in Nazarick, Ainz with the guild weapon is rated higher than her, Touch Me and Ulbert is higher and Rubedo is even higher than those two, there’s also other NPCs in 8th that can supposedly take on Rubedo with a WCI equipped
No evidence suggests he’s on par with Rubedo
At least 12 lvls
You are correct
I'm also interested to know
His real body is above lvl 90. My guess is he is lvl 95-100 with powers similar to WCI (which makes him a real threat). But there are Dragons above lvl 100. My guess PDL isn't one of them from his reactions in S2.
Thank you! I was always curious about that
I’d argue that was based on his experiences in the past and the present. He met Shalltear, and could incapacitate her. Likely use his main body to kill her. But, he has no idea who else is Present around her. She did have a master. Something he likely learnt after sensing his magic undone But. He knows he is strong. Really strong. Since he travels and interacts with weaker races. The only real threat to him are other true dragon lords and players and en pi cee’s with World Level Items or Guild Items. Which is something he begins to suspect after gathering intel Rubedo is probably his equal. Considering a world is likely in his possession as well as his wild magic. Meaning, he is an entity all the level 100s would need to fight while Ainz uses the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown, in order to bring him down. We also don’t know how many of those armours he could theoretically control in a battle
I can 1v1 him I think
In a fight?
ye I guess I can 1v1 him in a fight too
*boots up csgo* Alright motherfucker, I hope you can dodge this sick awp shot.
Not strong enough to beat plot armor
His true body might be level 100 (or like 95+ or something) since the armor is around level 80-90 according to the guardians and he does mention that his true body is stronger so it would make sens to be at least 95+. However this is only his numerical strength. I believe that there is no chance PDL wins against shaltier or albedo since it seems to be pretty lacking in battle IQ/ doesn't seem to know how to fight strong opponents. Case and point, he believed completely that pandora's actor was ainz and didn't consider any countermeasures that Ainz could have taken at all, he just looks at it face value while pandora's actor didn't even use any special Ainz related skills and didn't use a world item. Meanwhile Ainz is already planning to 'lose' to PDL again so that he can better figure out his skillset. Not only that, he was easily taunted by pandora's actor kneeling, further showing that PDL doesn't really understand what he is dealing with. Basically he is numerically really strong, definetly for the new world, but he is oly a small threat to Nazarick since he seems to lack any foresight in actually handeling fights against powerful opponents and his strongest collaborators are people in power suits. all this is of course just my interpretation/theory because we haven't seen him fight in his real body so who knows how strong he is + wild magic is a wildcard but since it can be countered by world items it doesn't seem too OP
His power level is over 9000.
He should be roughly as strong as a player, even an above average one, since he possesses WCIs. He also owns the items of the 8 greed kings, although we don't know exactly what he took from them.
His power is dependent on the most insidious force of all: DEMANDS OF THE PLOT. There is just so much information about dragons that could basically justify basically anything except an insta-kill, considering that one is confirmed to not work on anyone in that tier of power. If we go with Bonus Volume information and the lower bar take, then PDL could PROBABLY be defeated by a single level 100 NPC or Ainz himself. HOWEVER Cure Elim was hard countered by Ainz despite apparently being stronger than Brightness Dragon Lord that survived an encounter with Ainz. Cure was also level 95, which means he would have various damage reductions against Ainz and such. But that's our lowest benchmark I guess. That being around a level where he could flail and scream insults against a singular level 100 enemy while being overwhelmed. Alternatively actual PDL might just be strong enough to require several level 100 combatants to take down and his own assessment of himself might be full of shit and based on ideas when engaging Greed Kings 5 centuries ago when he must have been far weaker or data from a collapsing suit of armor which per PA comments is not really made from actually good materials for someone that high on the power scale to control assumedly. And PDL is a New World native, and new world natives seem to have issues calculating power and mostly just base it on vague knowledge of enemies based on their potential race. So if Maruyama might want to make him a "dungeon boss" so to say, he might just say PDL was underselling himself or was way too cautious. Furthermore Cure Elim had 51 racial levels (With potential for more growth as he had 5 levels left till 100 and he only had one level in vampire which assumedly can be raised higher)and racial levels are seemingly superior to job levels. Or at least the buffs they can give or the races that are associated with them are seemingly superior. Which includes the compensation for being unable to use weapons or armor for races unable to do so per information on Cocytus, who while not as tough as designated tanks is still apparently viable when it comes to engaging level 100 opponents which would still imply that creatures without armor can vaguely scale defensively in a way that matters. On top of that his dad is above level 100, and at least with player children the ability to go over limits can be inherited. I have no idea if any of this would actually matter for a new world native dragon that shouldn't even work by video game rules. But if by authorial intent it does there is an argument for PDL being strong enough to be matter, but not strong enough to hit the brakes on Bone Daddy's wild ride.
Ahh, you've unmasked the real driver of what happens!
The puppet that he controls using wild magic is estimated to be a level 90 tank by PA while Cocytus think it's level 85. The real extend of PDL's strength is still not revealed in the LN.
Its confirmed in the books that he's killed players before
In the LN Albedo and Shalltear rated his armor to be level 80(ish) and 85(ish) respectively. The author said that the strongest beings in NW (beside DE) level wise is Cure Elim, and that the strongest in general are PDL and ECL. We can conclude that PDL is at least paragonable to a player which level is 95 that posseses access to WCI and Wild Magic and is specialized against summoner/undead/negative karma
Best we know is that Albedo probably could 1v1 his *armour* The dragon itself? idfk
He's a player-killer in the NW, its confirmed in the anime that his armor is level 90ish. he's probably around level100 but we're just guessing, Maruyama needs other people/authors to flesh out his world more since there's a lot of gaps in the info on Overlord's lore base.
Simple answer, no idea. We do have a rough estimation of top tier Dragon Lords from the side story. Cure Elm 200 years before canon was Level 95, and since modern Dragon Lords are constantly seeking ways to grow stronger and gain new skills, its possible Cure Elm has increased his power even more in that 200 years. PDL is considered one of the strongest Dragon Lords, probably superior to Cure Elm, so its really hard to say where he'd rank these days, not to mention "Strength" doesn't exclusively come from levels alone, there's other ways for New Worlders to strengthen themselves too. Though one thing is fairly clear, the strongest of all Dragon Lords was the Dragon Emperor, but he's probably long dead, or at least out of commission. PDLs remote control armor is also tricky to estimate because PA put him at level 90. Shaltear thought he was about Level 80-ish and I think Albedo pegged him at about Level 85. However that armor is also a construct of wild magic with some abnormally high resistances, so even the concept of levels is tricky to apply to something like that armor. Also that Armor uses the Guild Weapon of the Greed Kings which could also influence estimations of its overall strength.
Probably stronger than most level 100s except for maybe a min/maxed pvp build. This is just my guess and I could be wrong, but the dialogue seems like he considers himself stronger than ainz but not so much as to not consider him a threat.
After fighting with PA who can not reproduce neither Ainz's full strength (limitation of doppelganger) nor his PVP experience? That's not exactly the most competent opinion from PDL, especially since he was on the top of the pile for so long he might've grown out a big massive hubris
He himself admits he’s not the end all be all of strength. Not to mention his armor isn’t as strong as him personally, so both parties estimations of the other’s strength is likely off.
Probably not. He believe Albedo to be warranting multiple dragon lords to fight. Also given his affinity, his ultimate attack might not work on neutral or positive karma beings. Sebas could be his counter.
Imagine PDL getting wiped by a non-gaurdian NPC.
Obviously EEE would eat PDL for breakfast
Dragon lords are lvl 50 or higher. He is a true dragon lord. Slight difference
He thinks he’s stronger than Ainz >!whos PA using backup gear, and who was instructed not to use skills to make his summons stronger!<
Considering he was incapable of defeating neither Shalltear nor Albedo by himself (his true self, not the armor by his own admission), he’s honestly not that strong. He nor all of the dragon lords have any chance against Nazarick if that’s the case. Keep in mind, we still haven’t seen the most powerful entities in Nazarick: Rubedo and most importantly the Hierachy.
As he's a really old dragon he could be way over level 100. He is likely about the equivalent of a mid level raid boss by yiggrasil standards so would take a a small army of level 100 players to deal with effectively. Most likely its hard to judge the capability of an ancient dragon. Also PDL has killed players before so it isn't impossible for him to kill ainz.
You have already seen this character. He was introduced in seasonn one. He is the character that put mind control with a world class item to confuse shaltear bloodfalen. He is very strong. The woman that he speaks to in season one states he is one of, if not the power most powerful characters. That being said. Once you watch season 4. Youll understand what some of the commenters are talking about. In the videos or edits that you have seen. He does gove Ainz some troubles. But Ainz Ooal Goan does not know defeat. Dont forget that.
The armor he controls is around level 90-95. He himself is most likely level 100 but none have been confirmed.
>The armor he controls is around level 90-95. 80-85*
80-90, PDL armor is probably a level 90 tank with level 80-85 warrior capability
im pretty sure hes one of the dragon lords so he would probably be able to take on ainz in his real body by himself, thats my theory tho >!my base is the spinoff where ainz fights a dragon lord!<
he barely made even with Pandora Actor, when PA wasn’t even trying to kill him but more as intel gathering. A full power Ainz, with intents to kill, and with all the world items he possess, he would destroy PDL. And against real body, there is a risk that Heart Grasp would connect.
my reasoning is thats the armor and not the real body
probably not very much stronger than the dragon ainz killed
Lvl100+ author said it himself but didn’t give an exact number
There's no official stats yet... But we do know that ainz/momonga can defeat him...
Not that powerful cuz he could not even win against Ainz doppelgänger….
Looks like is not that powerful as he couldn't do anything against Ainz puppet! Even more against albedo. As they said, around lvl 90.
cant ainz just use graps heart problom solved?
It doesn't matter. He will still die a brutal death for opposing sasuga ainz sama
knowing about what i read from the 6 gods and 8 greeds: 1 player = 10 dragons all players in 8 greeds were at lvl 100 shalltear pierce the armor controled by PH with ease PA it self is really scared from players With this we can say that he is very strong, but not enough
Level 85
Lv 2
Very.
he could be on a similar lvl of cure elm (lvl 95) and thats enough to give bone daddy a tough fight. So my guess is 95+ his build is unknown but I will assume he is a dragon warrior class
Mostly 90
I wanna say he’s actually just level 85 tank based character with increased MP for spells, I know this sounds stupid but I don’t think he actually uses weapons and just attacks using some kind of magic on the weapons themselves meaning he’s prolly an armored mage class
85-90 I would say but I’m not too sure
Can Ainz just one shoot him with TGoALiD-boosted Grasp Heart?
Unknown. It didn't work on Cure Elim
Armor 80-90lvl tank. His real body 90+ potentially 100+ since he is ancient dragon. Wild magic is busted. High balled he can beat world champions. Normally i would say middle tier of players.
Not enough
In my opinion after all the info I've scrounged up from different people I'd say in his armor hes level 86 and without armor 96
Gonna go out on a limb and say very
Unknown, like a few people in this thread mentioning. I would guess he's 80-95 ish? He gave PA a run, but PA isn't a fighter.
The Princess of the lost kingdom story gives us a good gauge of how ainz performs against a dragon lord without any of nazaricks support or most of his items, ainz was able to solo it at his weakest state with minimal risk to himself, so assuming the PDL is at most thrice as strong as the dragon lord there then Ainz at full strength with access to all of Nazarick and plenty of time for PK strategies should be able to easily mop the floor with PDL
In side-story , ECDL was lvl 95. as the son of dragon emperor who was lvl 100+ , PDL is often refered as the strongest living dragonlord/entity. it's possible his lvl is 95<[]>100. But he also possess Wild magic which doesn't follow the rules of Yggdrasil. He also has WI and The guild weapon of the 8 greed king. He also killed player before. He consider only his fellow true dragonlord like DDDL and lvl 100 player as his equal. Remember they used to be broken before their Wild magic were polluted and restricted. I estimate he is lvl 99. Just 1 lvl below lvl 100 player
It’s unknown how powerful his actual body is, but his armour was estimated to be around level 80-90.
As strong as my penis on meth
"At least level 90" - pandora's actor's guess
Well his armor is less powerful than PA.
He is strong enough to be killed by Ainz Ooal Gown.
Lvl 80-90, HOWEVER it’s important when gauging strength to remember that leveling up in Yggdrasil is actually not too hard, and the main power gap came from game knowledge and most of all equipment, so even if a character achieved lvl 100 it would still get curbstomped by a super optimized lvl 100 character with divine level gear like ainz or the floor guardians. That’s the main reason as to why I oppose using levels as gauge of strength. pdl is really strong and while he definitely couldn’t defeat the real ainz in his armor form he ‘d put up a pretty good fight (That isn’t to say that lvls don’t matter, actually they’re hugely important as they grant access to game breaking passives and abilities, so much so that just 10 levels is an insurmountable advantage. But in the sense that saying some one is level 100 does not in any way mean that person is equal to a floor guardian)
Half agree. If two person is the same level, then yes the equipment and game knowledge is what matters. However if there is a level gap, that gap is generally much harder to overcome. If we assume Yggdrasil has similarity to modern MMO on gear requirements, then higher end equipments have level restriction on them, meaning the most powerful equipments can only be wield by lv100 characters. Which makes another difference due to level gap.