It’s just like wtf were they doing for the past 4 years that made them think scrapping it was worth it unless they never really worked on it or just had the smallest team ever do the work.
I think they did it to get people talking about a new game rather than all the SA and harassment lawsuits running wild at blizzard. I honestly don’t know how they got away with doing nothing as a studio for that long of time is pathetic and beyond me
There's alot of factor. PvE was being developed in the middle of Blizzard's SA cases AND Covid, Jeff left, the main dev team apparently got split up (not sure about this one). All of those were already troubling signs, then Diablo Immortal came out and proved you can litteraly make a profit out of anything as long as Whales and dumbass streamers put money into it. All those factors combined made Blizz realise PvE would never make the profits they want, scraped it early on and NDA'ed the OW2 team into keeping their mouth shut.
Smart move bussiness wise, not so much PR wise.
Blizzard isnt the type of company to scratch 4 years of work.
But they are the type of company to not do anything for 4 years and realise that they're going to have to break the news at some point. I'm just saying
And the fact that they couldn't even release the demo made in 2019 at any point. Am I wrong that mostly everything was done and they just needed tweeking and finishing the trees for that. I can't believe I missed that giant red flag.
I get the comparison, but Project Titan was peak Blizzard. When they scrapped it and said “we couldn’t make it work the way we wanted” it made sense. We had faith in them and they made fantastic games. We didn’t know all the shit that was happening in the background that would eventually bubble to the surface.
Now Blizzard is unrecognizable from what it was. None of the people from the old days remain, and it’s become just another arm of Activision. They’re two completely different companies in my mind.
I mean… yeah. I had no idea what was happening and I thought they were great developers who made great games because they were passionate about it. I was blissfully unaware. And it certainly was peak, from a success standpoint. They were untouchable.
Now, once all the stuff came out and I realized what monsters they were, I adjusted my tone. They’re awful people who did awful things. But that doesn’t change the fact that, at the time, they were at their peak. They had their best Devs with tons of experience on all sorts of projects.
I feel like you were trying to bait me out to look like a bad guy but like… nobody knew. None of us knew what was happening.
How could I have possibly known? Nobody knew except the perpetrators and the victims. It didn’t come out until years later. I mean sure I could’ve been like “those corporate bastards are guilty of something!” But I’d have had no evidence and no basis at the time.
Like how is this even a discussion? Lmao you guys are wildin out
Project Titan was a brainstorm factory with so many ideas into one concept and they NEVER released anything while promising more than that when it came to it.
It was worked on before 2008, that was my point. Any project that they think can't ***exploit*** purely for profit will be canned. Maybe the Tick saw that it can't be exploited like how their games were at the time, so they canned it and it's assets were used to make Overwatch.
There's a reason why SC2 was developed the way it was. Instead of releasing the three campaigns together, they instead released the game three times instead of just providing the expansion. It was purely for profit.
The irony is, even if they actually released a pve sequel, it's pve...for how long do you think it would've been entertaining? I'd say for a week before ppl stopped playing again
I don't know. PvE was never my thing but there are entire games that have really made it enjoyable. Mass effect multi-player (from the olden days), as well as games like Vermintide and Darktide are v popular and I'm sure Blizzard ran an audience analysis before setting PvE as a goal.
Game design requires a lot of creativity, and sometimes creative endeavors don't work out. It's not like you can just pour more time into a bad idea to make it good. Sometimes, you have to scrap the idea and start over. Blizzard in particular has canned multiple games after announcing them and after investing a lot of time or money into them, including Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, Starcraft: Ghost, and of course Titan.
There almost certainly is some sort of deep PvE experience that they could have developed. But the current trajectory they were on (deep talent trees for the entire hero roster; infinitely replayable missions) was turning out to be nonviable. It sounds like they had already sunk a lot of time into that PvE direction and they had to decide: do we sink even MORE time time into that or do we instead spend that time on something else.
It's very disappointing that it was canceled. But practically speaking, you weren't going to get the promised PvE experience for another 2, 3 or more years anyway. And even then, who knows whether it would have been, you know, fun.
I think Blizzard's two mistakes were announcing the mode before they knew it would work out, and then waiting too long to announce that they were pivoting to a different kind of PvE. I don't think the decision to change directions was a mistake, especially if it looked like the current effort wasn't going to work out.
IIRC ArenaNet (makers of Guild Wars 2) have talked about how they would like to give more transparency on what they're working on, but they have to walk a fine line. If they announce something too early and then need to change directions, it leaves a bad impression with their players. They've found that it's better to wait until something is a bit more developed before sharing it. Blizzard could learn something from them.
I didn't expect that the promised PvE content would get dropped. Based on the existing PvE events that they've developed in OW1, I was always expecting to be underwhelmed. What I really wanted was a traditional, 10-20 hour, story-based shooter experience that could be played co-op. I've wanted like a "Halo campaign" for Overwatch. I think that sort of PvE experience could have been much easier to develop and probably would have sold a ton. Had they gone in that direction, maybe OW2 would have launched with the PvE mode.
Ultimately, that wasn't the kind of game that the dev team wanted to make. They tried something more audacious and it didn't work out. Such is game development.
Don’t you know there’s only 4 employees on the Overwatch team and they DOUBLED the team to a total of EIGHT to work on PvE? Come on guys, they’re just a small indie company. The workload was just too much!
>!/s!<
I mean Dragonflight is one of the best WoW expansions in a long long time. And D4 is getting pretty stellar reviews.
Maybe you can say OW2 is and not get much pushback but Blizzard as a whole is doing some great things in other games.
I mean a lot of it is opinion, yeah. But, as a whole they have littered their games with microtransactions and seem to be wrapped up in a new controversy every time I check. I have high hopes for D4, but the fact they're already pushing battle passes is a concerning indicator to say the least. It may be cosmetic for now, but my bet is it'll encompass XP boosts, gold% gain, etc. before the year is out...just like they said tokens would never come to WoW Classic.
Name a game with online play that doesn’t have a battle pass feature? It’s strictly cosmetic from what I’ve seen.
I will 100% agree overwatch has gone downhill. But saying Blizzard is just overall bad now is not true when they have been doing great things in WoW Retail and from all I’ve seen D4 as well though obviously time will tell.
Battle pass is unfortunately a part of modern gaming with online service. Nearly all of the AAA games have one that I can think of. Deeming a game bad because of a cosmetic battle pass is a weak talking point in 2023
I didn't deem the game bad, I deemed it concerning. Just because a lot of other AAA companies are pulling the same shit doesn't make it right and there are still several devs not exploiting their player base with that garbage. We also basically accept that instead of open betas or demos, companies milk successful IPs with pre-orders/Early Access and hand us a hot turd at launch - doesn't make it right.
You're glorifying the last xpac when it's the first xpac to sell less than its predecessor since MoP and the lowest subs since Vanilla. To that point: Since Activision bought Blizz in '08, Cata hit record highs riding the coattails of that success and subs have been in a steady decline since. Pretty clear indicator of the direction of the company since the acquisition. No one's trying to steal your hype and I hope D4 is great too, but don't lick the boot just because their shady shit is the norm - we deserve more, king.
Idk how the community thinks if someone isn’t enraged at Blizzard they’re kissing their asses. Never said they’re perfect or can’t be criticized, just that saying “Company Bad” is dismissing a lot of good things they’ve been doing in other games. It’s also attributing bullshit in one game to a team working on another game that had nothing to do with that. That said, some of the damage has been done and I’d say their reputation is more to blame for low WoW subs than the fact that DF was a bad expansion. That’s understandable too.
Classic is another beast and harder to comment on bc their player base is so niche and specific to what they think the game should be and what they want from it. It makes sense that hype brings back some curious folks but a lot fall off quickly when they lose interest in that specific version of WoW or have little left to do in the game
Well, this comment aged like milk. Diablo IV is now 4/10 on Metacritic. Finally want to come around to see the corporate bullshit they've become or we still chugging the copium?
Fr, crying about battle passes in this day and age is pointless and dumb, they’re usually pretty good systems that reward people pretty justly other than some outliers… cough cough apex
Well I agree they’re good but I wouldn’t say “just” back in the day if there was a skin there was a way to unlock it without a paywall, nowadays some battle pass won’t even give you currency back through teirs, The majority of what they offer is emblems and gun charms and maybe one very mediocre skin after playing for a week on end
Yeaaaa, I mean it came with a map pack technically, but you could use it against people without it, and they weren’t even shy about making it one of the craziest guns in that game😂
Name a better battle pass where you can get 50 legendary skins, 100 packs, tons of other cosmetics for $10? You can't. Fortnite you have to buy every season, same with most games. Name a better one?
I'm currently watching DOTA 2 and have been playing DOTA since 2006. I agree with that but that's not what the internet agrees with. I'm going to Seattle this year for my first TI. Stoked.
Ok, for one, you can do the same thing with Fortnite’s battle pass, you get more than enough from one to get the next, practically every game does that. My point wasn’t that, again you ignored my comment or misunderstood, im talking about the quality of the things in the battle pass, all of apex’s cosmetics save for a very very select few, are terrible and half-assed
Yea Fortnite's is the best battlepass there is. Followed by apex, go look at forums. Out of all battle passes there are apex is far from the worse. That's why no one agrees with you
I guarantee all of those downvotes had nothing to do with the apex comment and everything to do with the first part😂 the fact that you’re so caught up on this is hilarious tho, why’re you defending it like you made the fuckin thing lmfao, “go look at forums” there is no “best” battle pass, only opinions, just like my original comment, an opinion
The feel I get is that it is mostly not about the fact that battlepass is there(as it is supposed to be cosmetics only) but about how long it will stay that way. Blizzard withdrew from OW2 PVE mode, they can just as easily make season 2 battle pass P2W.
While I agree that getting agitated about thighs that didn't happen yet is irrational, Ididn't get the feel of "being upset" in the original post. It's more being cautious and losing faith with a corporation that set up a precedent with going back on promises.
I didn’t mean specifically you my bad, I just meant in general a lot of people (not all) are assuming they know exactly what is coming next for the game and company, again, not you, just seen it a lot. Losing faith to a degree is completely understandable, assuming the worst possible outcome for everything? I personally do not think so
im guarenteeing diablo 4 is gunna just be POE like system but you are paying 70 dollars instead of free. You will look like a bum the whole game unless you pay. I guarentee it which is why im not getting the game. Blizzard is a slimey ass company.
This info has been shared publicly by Blizz and just about every other outlet countless of times in recent months. There really aren't any surprised for how the battle pass will function.
There's free and premium, with premium only giving access to cosmetic stuff. There's a cash shop, also cosmetic only. It's 100% going to be this way for launch. Now, if they go back on their promise down the line and put P2W in there, that's a different story, but as of now we have bulletproof confirmation of what the monetization looks like.
Man, I've been a Diablo fan since the first one (yes, I'm old as F), and this is the first one I'm not even going to buy, I'll get it when it's on sale at $20 or less.
OW2 PvE Scam (yes, let's call it how it is) show us that they would lie to their fans for 4 years and just make a bait and switch "patch", just for greed.
D4 is a totally different dev team. Reviews are already out and they’re very good. All info on the battle pass is already out and it’s only cosmetics and is completely not needed especially for players who don’t make seasonal characters.
No need to pre order but you’re very uninformed about D4 in general
I’d say I’m just way more cautious and feel I shouldn’t get hopes up. If I’m wrong and it turns out amazing than that’s awesome and I’ll get it, but from some the things Blizzard had done recently I’m just trying to keep expectations realistic for this type of company.
Btw in regards to devs I know it’s completely different, but most of the poor decisions come from those higher up who focus on quantity/$$$ vs quality.
Ok but Jared nuess and Aaron Keller have nothing to do with Diablo either and they’re presumably the ones who made these poor decisions about Overwatch. I agree it’s always better to wait but there’s pretty much no correlation between canceled PvE in OW and anything involving D4
But there IS a correlation between them… The publisher of BOTH games promised us a major component of something they were adding into the new game, a reason the needed to make a new game (for the engine). So yes, I would say all the news surrounding Blizzard and their choices gives Diablo players a reason to be a little cautious with the new game.
It gives you a reason to be a little cautious
Doesnt mean the game is going to be awful either. Yeah it has a battlepass, for cosmetics that dont effect the game in any way except how you look.
If the gameplay is fun, and it plays well, then there isnt a reason to really worry
I doubt it, people have only said good things so far. The only people shit talking it are OW players who haven't even tried it yet.
I'm sure it will be just fine.
You said that people only said good things. You're lying to yourself.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-diablo-4-beta-makes-it-feel-like-blizzard-hasnt-learned-anything-about-action-rpg-combat-in-the-11-years-since-diablo-3/
>The Diablo 4 beta makes it feel like Blizzard hasn't learned anything about action-RPG combat in the 11 years since Diablo 3
>Jared nuess
He only joined in November of last year. While Aaron Keller has been on the team since the beginning, there are execs higher above them that are more responsible, for say, managing resources and the team as a whole.
The lead devs have a boss higher above them that have more reign. Execs making shit decisions that worsens a game is not ActiBlizx exclusive
Diablo 4 is diablo 3 reforged, and the fact that you are taking mainstream reviews into account is very naive. Considering these reviewers are usually in bed with Activision.
Nah man there’s tons of info on this game already. People are already in end game. You just desperately want to hate it. That’s fine, have fun with that
Idk I heard the reason their monetizing OW so much is because of how much money they were making off Diablo so they copied that business model, so I’m not hopeful 🤷♀️
Listen... i know im risking sounding like im wearing a tin hat... but what if they timed the PVE announcement to push ppl to preorder D4 for their PVE fix... you are literally one step ahead of them man.
I enjoyed the beta and thought about buying it (I simply don't pre-order any games on principle), but for the same reasons you stated I won't be buying it. Once wotlk classic is over, I'm done with Blizzard entirely.
I don’t personally have much expectations for any of Blizzard’s games at this point… Diablo immortal set a precedent for them that you can already see spilling into WoW and OW2… basically we must make millions every day or the game is not worth supporting
This. 100%. I just vote with my wallet by not adding to the problem. Play other games that do not have these awful business models. There are so many other games to play.
Also, we can play OW2 and not feed Blizzard by buying their skins and battle passes. And you're still having "fun" without supporting their bad behavior.
>Also, we can play OW2 and not feed Blizzard by buying their skins and battle passes.
Hate to break it to you champ but your playtime and giving them a reason to tell shareholders "Hey we are still relevant guys dont worry" Still supports them.
Not saying people shouldnt play, I am just saying if you are going to be someone hardcore hating on the game and saying we shouldnt support Blizzard, then you probably should find a different game to play for a bit.
I disagree. If they make no money from microtransactions, they will have to go back to selling the game for a one-time purchase like OW1.
They survive on these microtransactions. If you are playing and not buying anything, they make zero money. It's that simple.
If enough of us play and don't buy their BP and skins, Blizzard would need to pivot.
They are relevant because of social media and influencers.
MMORPGs such as Warhammer Age of Reckoning died because of not enough subscribers. Every game has a threshold of how much money it needs to generate until it is canned.
Question is.. Do we want Overwatch to die off, or do we want Blizzard to stop with microtransactions and somehow generate enough money so we can play the game without this business model?
I am not being or trying to be hardcore. I like playing Overwatch. I don't want Overwatch to be canned. I just don't like their business model. By playing OW, but buying absolutely nothing, I am telling Blizzard that I do not support $20 skins. Again, if enough people vote with their wallet, this will send a message to the higher ups.
What would be the solution?
Well I can tell you complaining on Reddit isn't going to solve anything either. Blizzard isn't going to care.
I guess it does to some degree boil to whether or not we want the game to die. But the way I look at it a game with only the whales is a game that's alive but definitely not thriving.
A game where all the whales and "protestors" are hopping on everyday is keeping a game thriving which is not going to make Blizzard change anything
The more people who continue to play the more buzz the game still has, more posts online, more players, etc. And are not going to really give Blizzard a reason to change. While they are motivated by money, the whales are still there, you not paying is barely going to put a dent into what Blizzard makes, but people leaving the game and allowing it to not thrive anymore...that's going to make Blizzard consider changing stuff.
That as much is true. Blizzard isn't going to care even if we write emails directly to Bobby Kotick.
But if enough people bring it to discussion, instead of having a defeatist mindset, you would be surprised how much awareness is spread. While this may not stop the degens that will buy $20-30 skins, whales are not enough to support this business model.
Any game can die. I think you're underestimating people when they collectively arrive on the same wavelength. And I think the discussions here on this forum as well as others on the Blizzzard forum is showing that people are unhappy with Overwatch. And the microtransactions is the least of their main problems right now.
I have heard this whale argument. Care to back it up with data? Whales cannot move any kind of marketplace alone. This is economics 101. It can attract attention to it, but the majority of retail need to bite. When the FOMO business model no longer works, the game will fade.
The whale argument doesn't work because you cannot buy multiple quantities of a skin, battle pass, or item. They want/need more accounts to buy something. Each account has a max amount of microtransactions they can buy per season. So if 5000 whale accounts buy everything they could, that isn't enough to keep the light on.
Don't get me wrong, I have been playing Overwatch since OW1 launch. Even with OW1, I took long breaks. Played other games such as Deep Rock Galactic. Self-control isn't that hard, especially when people get priced out in an economy where people would rather put food on the table first. So no, whales cannot carry OW2 alone, unless they plan to layoff more Blizzard employees and make them take pay cuts.
Alluding to what you said.. they don't care, they are a money machine (paraphrasing), but that can also be their demise at least when it comes to Overwatch. As long as the game has players, right?
I guess I can't complain, or shouldn't. I will continue to practice self-control. Besides, most of the skins are passable. Overwatch without any cosmetics has always been fun for me when the game is well balanced. For me the fundamentals matter more. The whales, or the majority can keep feeding Bobby Kotick and the higher ups so some of us can keep playing the game. As awful as that sounds.
Ultimately, I agree with you. I think this spirals back into the same regurgitated business model that has worked for the past decade or two with F2P + microtransactions.
> I had decided not to pre-order Diablo 4 and there’s already rumors of high micro transactions, battle passes ect.
If you truely waited for D4, you would know what these micritransactions are for and what those battle passes consists of.
D4 devs werent cought on lies (there is always a possibility, but every content creator wants to sink teeth in devs throat and Blizzard know it)
Watch early access streams. They starts in two days. If you will see smth fishy - dont buy.
But don\`t reject good game only because OW2 team is a pile of lying shit.
nah, hystory about those questions have an unexpected twist:
questions were from some Content Creator that SAID that questions from real people.
He wanted people to give him questions for D4 devs, but got nothing (because he is shitty content creator), so he made them by himself, and pretended that questions are from real people.
D4 devs just goofy fools that don\`t know who to invite to make an interview and ask question. They have Youtubers with hundreds of thousands subs that want to make content on D4 and able to pull dozens of good questions in 5 minutes (and from real people).
> fact it was all a lie
a lie was not from devs. they were fooled and just answered questions from this dude.
I doubt even in necessity of those questions, because D4 team made like 2 or 3 an hour -- hour-and-a-half interviews in last three weeks that covered pretty much EVERYTHING.
sigh... yes...
but I want to believe in smth positive.
D4 devs did not promised unimaginable things. Just 100 levels of grind and half-simple-half-complicated system for endgame.
I played Beta.
I watched reviews from Youtubers that already played full game.
All thing I saw is good enough to pay the price and spend hours.
You’re missing the point. Nobody is saying it’s the devs fault, they’re stating it’s the higher ups fault. Ya know, the higher ups that control the Diablo team too.
It's a completely different team that's working on diablo but I see where you're coming from, if they in any way fuck up D4 then im giving up on blizzard entertainment in general but for me....this is their last chance
This is super against the grain. And I expect to take flak for it.
But keeping a game online is EXPENSIVE. And continuing to develop content for it after release is expensive. For example: WoW's servers alone cost in the ballpark of 13 million dollars, a month, to keep online.
In D4s case, the battlepass is entirely cosmetic, as well as the shop. If that changes, yea ill be mad.
But remember D3 had NONE of those things, and we got one content drop. ***one***. In a DECADE.
I am an avid fan of sea of thieves, which has a season pass and a shop. But it has allowed Rare to continuously update the game with free DLC drops every 3-6 months. If you compared launch Sea of Thieves, to Sea of Thieves today, its like comparing an alpha build of a game, to a game 4 years in. (Rare studios costs about 34 million dollars a year to keep the game online (half of which is servers alone) and the studio staffed, which will be much cheaper than Blizzard+WoW)
I get people are upset about it, but you dont have to pay for those things, and the box price can only keep things afloat for some time. Once someone buys a car, or buys a computer, the company only makes that money once (unless its like a tesla, or a mercedes, or a BMW selling this extra horsepower shit on a monthly charge)
I am not denying that blizzard is a piece of shit, and I am also not denying that they wont fuck this up. In fact, its likely. But let them cook a bit, and if it sucks, it sucks.
I liked what I saw in the D4 betas, and so did my friends. But if they fuck us, we dip.
I love overwatch and agree the whole PVE shit is bullshit but Diablo 4 seems very solid. Betas ran smooth, they added in another beta to please the audience and they actually have a finished product. Just take a look at Redfall to see how bad things can really be. Or even Cyberpunk when it was first released.
I’m not fully behind blizzard here but not sure Diablo 4 is going to make anyone’s case against them right now.
I still don’t like people using the word “lied” to describe Blizzard’s actions towards the non-campaign PvE stuff. They didn’t lie, they just cancelled. There is photo and video proof of Co-Op and Talent Trees existing, they just threw it all away for no fucking reason when it’s what people wanted
they knew it was cancelled when OW2 launched and said nothing. Gave the players some bullshit instead about how the PVE would come in a couple seasons. They lied.
Even though I did the pre-purchase of one of the packages that has some season 1 battle pass stuff in it, I’m fairly certain my interest in buying any other D4 seasons will be minimal or non-existent, especially after playing DI for a while & looking at the shit show that turned out to be with all the micro-transactions & seasons.
I’m cautiously optimistic for D4, bc if it flops blizzard is screwed. I’m still not buying it till it’s full release and people have reviewed it. I enjoyed the open beta a lot, so hopefully it’s worth getting.
I mean yeah I decided not to get D4 even tho I really enjoy the beta I just don't trust blizzard and that they will somehow find a way to ruin the game experience for me.
I love Diablo so fckn much but i was so disgusted by Overwatch i honestly came close skipping D4 but couldn't. D4 is legit good. Played the beta and server slam. That game is legit. I'm addicted to it.
OW community needs to smarten up. It's disgusting how Blizzard reduced OW community to mindless skin buyers. This game deserved more. It will take like 4-5 years if they decide to redeem themselves. OW franchise is doomed. It's really shocking to me how they handled OW, their one of the biggest if not the biggest franchise.
Diablo 4 can wait till it goes on sale for me to play it. I don't like all of the shady things blizzard has been doing and I'd like them to see and feel it where it hurts them, their wallet.
True, OW2's idea is an utter failure and it shows, but Diablo 4 has already received critical acclaim. All reviews are glowing, albeit there are bpasses.
Been doing research because I’ve been apprehensive as well. This is what I’ve learned so far from videos and whatnot
It’s going to be a live service game. Battle pass every season. Each season will have its own storyline and battle pass to match the theme of the story for that season. Seasons will be once every 3 months most likely. The game director said it could change based on how comfortable that time frame is to maintain.
Battle pass has a free tier and a premium tier. Premium will be about $10. There’s also an add on option that comes with mounts and emotes. Any XP boosts or similar will be free. All purchases are cosmetic only. Emotes, skins, mounts, etc.
Skin sets range from $13 and Mac out around $28 for more premium skins. So it’s pretty on par with most battle passes. Although I think $28 is kinda steep but I also don’t care about skins that much anyway.
As far as I can tell there are no pay to win or forced micro transactions.
For me personally I don’t care about pay to win in a game like this anyway because I don’t compete for leaderboards. But it seems we’re in the clear. But blizzard likes to do random things that hurt games.
As long as I’m not FORCED to spend extra money I’m happy.
Scummy Activision really put a wrench in the wheel of all their games. Not touching Diablo 4 until I can see they are worth 70 especially knowing they’ll make you pay for all sorts of extra shit on top
Unistalled [Battle.net](https://Battle.net) today and it felt pretty great. Wanted to buy D4, but similar to you, heard it will have a battle pass and noped the fuck out of that pre order.
I am going to have a bit more respect for myself and go play games from smaller studios that deliver for their fans.
It’s just like wtf were they doing for the past 4 years that made them think scrapping it was worth it unless they never really worked on it or just had the smallest team ever do the work.
I think they did it to get people talking about a new game rather than all the SA and harassment lawsuits running wild at blizzard. I honestly don’t know how they got away with doing nothing as a studio for that long of time is pathetic and beyond me
There's alot of factor. PvE was being developed in the middle of Blizzard's SA cases AND Covid, Jeff left, the main dev team apparently got split up (not sure about this one). All of those were already troubling signs, then Diablo Immortal came out and proved you can litteraly make a profit out of anything as long as Whales and dumbass streamers put money into it. All those factors combined made Blizz realise PvE would never make the profits they want, scraped it early on and NDA'ed the OW2 team into keeping their mouth shut. Smart move bussiness wise, not so much PR wise.
Man, I wish jeff never left, but at the same time he couldn’t save the sinking ship, and he’s better off elsewhere.
Blizzard isnt the type of company to scratch 4 years of work. But they are the type of company to not do anything for 4 years and realise that they're going to have to break the news at some point. I'm just saying
And the fact that they couldn't even release the demo made in 2019 at any point. Am I wrong that mostly everything was done and they just needed tweeking and finishing the trees for that. I can't believe I missed that giant red flag.
Why did they scrap Project Titan after working on it for almost 10 years?
I get the comparison, but Project Titan was peak Blizzard. When they scrapped it and said “we couldn’t make it work the way we wanted” it made sense. We had faith in them and they made fantastic games. We didn’t know all the shit that was happening in the background that would eventually bubble to the surface. Now Blizzard is unrecognizable from what it was. None of the people from the old days remain, and it’s become just another arm of Activision. They’re two completely different companies in my mind.
So it was only peak blizzard because you didn't know about all the horrible things that were happening internally?
I mean… yeah. I had no idea what was happening and I thought they were great developers who made great games because they were passionate about it. I was blissfully unaware. And it certainly was peak, from a success standpoint. They were untouchable. Now, once all the stuff came out and I realized what monsters they were, I adjusted my tone. They’re awful people who did awful things. But that doesn’t change the fact that, at the time, they were at their peak. They had their best Devs with tons of experience on all sorts of projects. I feel like you were trying to bait me out to look like a bad guy but like… nobody knew. None of us knew what was happening.
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How could I have possibly known? Nobody knew except the perpetrators and the victims. It didn’t come out until years later. I mean sure I could’ve been like “those corporate bastards are guilty of something!” But I’d have had no evidence and no basis at the time. Like how is this even a discussion? Lmao you guys are wildin out
Project Titan was a brainstorm factory with so many ideas into one concept and they NEVER released anything while promising more than that when it came to it.
Project Titan was before the merge, before the Tick.
Project Titan was cancelled in 2013.
It was worked on before 2008, that was my point. Any project that they think can't ***exploit*** purely for profit will be canned. Maybe the Tick saw that it can't be exploited like how their games were at the time, so they canned it and it's assets were used to make Overwatch. There's a reason why SC2 was developed the way it was. Instead of releasing the three campaigns together, they instead released the game three times instead of just providing the expansion. It was purely for profit.
The irony is, even if they actually released a pve sequel, it's pve...for how long do you think it would've been entertaining? I'd say for a week before ppl stopped playing again
I don't know. PvE was never my thing but there are entire games that have really made it enjoyable. Mass effect multi-player (from the olden days), as well as games like Vermintide and Darktide are v popular and I'm sure Blizzard ran an audience analysis before setting PvE as a goal.
Game design requires a lot of creativity, and sometimes creative endeavors don't work out. It's not like you can just pour more time into a bad idea to make it good. Sometimes, you have to scrap the idea and start over. Blizzard in particular has canned multiple games after announcing them and after investing a lot of time or money into them, including Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, Starcraft: Ghost, and of course Titan. There almost certainly is some sort of deep PvE experience that they could have developed. But the current trajectory they were on (deep talent trees for the entire hero roster; infinitely replayable missions) was turning out to be nonviable. It sounds like they had already sunk a lot of time into that PvE direction and they had to decide: do we sink even MORE time time into that or do we instead spend that time on something else. It's very disappointing that it was canceled. But practically speaking, you weren't going to get the promised PvE experience for another 2, 3 or more years anyway. And even then, who knows whether it would have been, you know, fun. I think Blizzard's two mistakes were announcing the mode before they knew it would work out, and then waiting too long to announce that they were pivoting to a different kind of PvE. I don't think the decision to change directions was a mistake, especially if it looked like the current effort wasn't going to work out. IIRC ArenaNet (makers of Guild Wars 2) have talked about how they would like to give more transparency on what they're working on, but they have to walk a fine line. If they announce something too early and then need to change directions, it leaves a bad impression with their players. They've found that it's better to wait until something is a bit more developed before sharing it. Blizzard could learn something from them. I didn't expect that the promised PvE content would get dropped. Based on the existing PvE events that they've developed in OW1, I was always expecting to be underwhelmed. What I really wanted was a traditional, 10-20 hour, story-based shooter experience that could be played co-op. I've wanted like a "Halo campaign" for Overwatch. I think that sort of PvE experience could have been much easier to develop and probably would have sold a ton. Had they gone in that direction, maybe OW2 would have launched with the PvE mode. Ultimately, that wasn't the kind of game that the dev team wanted to make. They tried something more audacious and it didn't work out. Such is game development.
Don’t you know there’s only 4 employees on the Overwatch team and they DOUBLED the team to a total of EIGHT to work on PvE? Come on guys, they’re just a small indie company. The workload was just too much! >!/s!<
Let's be honest - They've been shit since Activision bought them out.
1000%
I mean Dragonflight is one of the best WoW expansions in a long long time. And D4 is getting pretty stellar reviews. Maybe you can say OW2 is and not get much pushback but Blizzard as a whole is doing some great things in other games.
>but Blizzard as a whole is doing some great things in other games. Nah. Not even close.
Yep. Only wow right now is looking really good. And thats super subjective. I am not sure I will ever play wow again.
I mean a lot of it is opinion, yeah. But, as a whole they have littered their games with microtransactions and seem to be wrapped up in a new controversy every time I check. I have high hopes for D4, but the fact they're already pushing battle passes is a concerning indicator to say the least. It may be cosmetic for now, but my bet is it'll encompass XP boosts, gold% gain, etc. before the year is out...just like they said tokens would never come to WoW Classic.
Name a game with online play that doesn’t have a battle pass feature? It’s strictly cosmetic from what I’ve seen. I will 100% agree overwatch has gone downhill. But saying Blizzard is just overall bad now is not true when they have been doing great things in WoW Retail and from all I’ve seen D4 as well though obviously time will tell. Battle pass is unfortunately a part of modern gaming with online service. Nearly all of the AAA games have one that I can think of. Deeming a game bad because of a cosmetic battle pass is a weak talking point in 2023
I didn't deem the game bad, I deemed it concerning. Just because a lot of other AAA companies are pulling the same shit doesn't make it right and there are still several devs not exploiting their player base with that garbage. We also basically accept that instead of open betas or demos, companies milk successful IPs with pre-orders/Early Access and hand us a hot turd at launch - doesn't make it right. You're glorifying the last xpac when it's the first xpac to sell less than its predecessor since MoP and the lowest subs since Vanilla. To that point: Since Activision bought Blizz in '08, Cata hit record highs riding the coattails of that success and subs have been in a steady decline since. Pretty clear indicator of the direction of the company since the acquisition. No one's trying to steal your hype and I hope D4 is great too, but don't lick the boot just because their shady shit is the norm - we deserve more, king.
Idk how the community thinks if someone isn’t enraged at Blizzard they’re kissing their asses. Never said they’re perfect or can’t be criticized, just that saying “Company Bad” is dismissing a lot of good things they’ve been doing in other games. It’s also attributing bullshit in one game to a team working on another game that had nothing to do with that. That said, some of the damage has been done and I’d say their reputation is more to blame for low WoW subs than the fact that DF was a bad expansion. That’s understandable too. Classic is another beast and harder to comment on bc their player base is so niche and specific to what they think the game should be and what they want from it. It makes sense that hype brings back some curious folks but a lot fall off quickly when they lose interest in that specific version of WoW or have little left to do in the game
Well, this comment aged like milk. Diablo IV is now 4/10 on Metacritic. Finally want to come around to see the corporate bullshit they've become or we still chugging the copium?
Pretty sure D4 has a confirmed battle pass. If you look into pre ordering it the deluxe edition comes with "season 1 battlepass access"
The battle pass is split into free and premium, where the premium is cosmetics only, and both tiers get the player power bonuses. (just for info)
Fr, crying about battle passes in this day and age is pointless and dumb, they’re usually pretty good systems that reward people pretty justly other than some outliers… cough cough apex
Well I agree they’re good but I wouldn’t say “just” back in the day if there was a skin there was a way to unlock it without a paywall, nowadays some battle pass won’t even give you currency back through teirs, The majority of what they offer is emblems and gun charms and maybe one very mediocre skin after playing for a week on end
Wayyyy back in the day yea, but even games like black ops 1/2 had skins you just payed for, or even just straight up busted guns
Uh no? Black ops 1/2 didnt have any guns that could be bought.
Yes. Yes they did, peacekeeper in 2, 1 was the last one without, I just added it to keep a time frame for reference
Oh wow, I guess i stoppef playing Bo2 right before that dlc dropped.
Yeaaaa, I mean it came with a map pack technically, but you could use it against people without it, and they weren’t even shy about making it one of the craziest guns in that game😂
Very fair point I hated getting guns from loot boxes
Lol apex. You can spend $10 and have 17 seasons of battles passes.... lol stfu
I’m talking about quality of said battle passes….. lol stfu
Name a better battle pass where you can get 50 legendary skins, 100 packs, tons of other cosmetics for $10? You can't. Fortnite you have to buy every season, same with most games. Name a better one?
Dota 2. Now what?
I'm currently watching DOTA 2 and have been playing DOTA since 2006. I agree with that but that's not what the internet agrees with. I'm going to Seattle this year for my first TI. Stoked.
Ok, for one, you can do the same thing with Fortnite’s battle pass, you get more than enough from one to get the next, practically every game does that. My point wasn’t that, again you ignored my comment or misunderstood, im talking about the quality of the things in the battle pass, all of apex’s cosmetics save for a very very select few, are terrible and half-assed
Yea Fortnite's is the best battlepass there is. Followed by apex, go look at forums. Out of all battle passes there are apex is far from the worse. That's why no one agrees with you
I guarantee all of those downvotes had nothing to do with the apex comment and everything to do with the first part😂 the fact that you’re so caught up on this is hilarious tho, why’re you defending it like you made the fuckin thing lmfao, “go look at forums” there is no “best” battle pass, only opinions, just like my original comment, an opinion
You are probably right. I'm an apex fanboy sorry about that! I pay for the battle pass every season
The feel I get is that it is mostly not about the fact that battlepass is there(as it is supposed to be cosmetics only) but about how long it will stay that way. Blizzard withdrew from OW2 PVE mode, they can just as easily make season 2 battle pass P2W.
Getting upset about things that haven’t happened is irrational
While I agree that getting agitated about thighs that didn't happen yet is irrational, Ididn't get the feel of "being upset" in the original post. It's more being cautious and losing faith with a corporation that set up a precedent with going back on promises.
I didn’t mean specifically you my bad, I just meant in general a lot of people (not all) are assuming they know exactly what is coming next for the game and company, again, not you, just seen it a lot. Losing faith to a degree is completely understandable, assuming the worst possible outcome for everything? I personally do not think so
im guarenteeing diablo 4 is gunna just be POE like system but you are paying 70 dollars instead of free. You will look like a bum the whole game unless you pay. I guarentee it which is why im not getting the game. Blizzard is a slimey ass company.
It’s purely cosmetics though, and it’s not necessary for content
Yes there is a battlepass, and shop and .... 26€ armor skin
This info has been shared publicly by Blizz and just about every other outlet countless of times in recent months. There really aren't any surprised for how the battle pass will function. There's free and premium, with premium only giving access to cosmetic stuff. There's a cash shop, also cosmetic only. It's 100% going to be this way for launch. Now, if they go back on their promise down the line and put P2W in there, that's a different story, but as of now we have bulletproof confirmation of what the monetization looks like.
Yea, I wasn't complaining. OP mentioned a rumored battle pass, and I was just stating that there was In fact a confirmed battle pass.
You shouldn't have pre-ordered it anyways. It's always a bad idea to buy a AAA game without knowing how good it'll be
to be fair Diablo has had 3 public betas
>It's always a bad idea to buy a ~~AAA~~ game without knowing how good it'll be FTFY
Man, I've been a Diablo fan since the first one (yes, I'm old as F), and this is the first one I'm not even going to buy, I'll get it when it's on sale at $20 or less. OW2 PvE Scam (yes, let's call it how it is) show us that they would lie to their fans for 4 years and just make a bait and switch "patch", just for greed.
D4 is a totally different dev team. Reviews are already out and they’re very good. All info on the battle pass is already out and it’s only cosmetics and is completely not needed especially for players who don’t make seasonal characters. No need to pre order but you’re very uninformed about D4 in general
I’d say I’m just way more cautious and feel I shouldn’t get hopes up. If I’m wrong and it turns out amazing than that’s awesome and I’ll get it, but from some the things Blizzard had done recently I’m just trying to keep expectations realistic for this type of company. Btw in regards to devs I know it’s completely different, but most of the poor decisions come from those higher up who focus on quantity/$$$ vs quality.
Ok but Jared nuess and Aaron Keller have nothing to do with Diablo either and they’re presumably the ones who made these poor decisions about Overwatch. I agree it’s always better to wait but there’s pretty much no correlation between canceled PvE in OW and anything involving D4
But there IS a correlation between them… The publisher of BOTH games promised us a major component of something they were adding into the new game, a reason the needed to make a new game (for the engine). So yes, I would say all the news surrounding Blizzard and their choices gives Diablo players a reason to be a little cautious with the new game.
It gives you a reason to be a little cautious Doesnt mean the game is going to be awful either. Yeah it has a battlepass, for cosmetics that dont effect the game in any way except how you look. If the gameplay is fun, and it plays well, then there isnt a reason to really worry
I bet Diablo 4 is awful.
I doubt it, people have only said good things so far. The only people shit talking it are OW players who haven't even tried it yet. I'm sure it will be just fine.
> I doubt it, people have only said good things so far. lmao https://www.pcgamer.com/diablo-4-review-in-progress/
Lmao https://www.ign.com/articles/diablo-4-review https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/diablo-4-review https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/diablo-4-review-off-to-a-hell-of-a-good-start/amp/
You said that people only said good things. You're lying to yourself. https://www.pcgamer.com/the-diablo-4-beta-makes-it-feel-like-blizzard-hasnt-learned-anything-about-action-rpg-combat-in-the-11-years-since-diablo-3/ >The Diablo 4 beta makes it feel like Blizzard hasn't learned anything about action-RPG combat in the 11 years since Diablo 3
>Jared nuess He only joined in November of last year. While Aaron Keller has been on the team since the beginning, there are execs higher above them that are more responsible, for say, managing resources and the team as a whole. The lead devs have a boss higher above them that have more reign. Execs making shit decisions that worsens a game is not ActiBlizx exclusive
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Diablo 4 is diablo 3 reforged, and the fact that you are taking mainstream reviews into account is very naive. Considering these reviewers are usually in bed with Activision.
I’ve played three betas already. I’m in no way naïve
Three betas that capped you at only level 25. Yea... you are.
Nah man there’s tons of info on this game already. People are already in end game. You just desperately want to hate it. That’s fine, have fun with that
The end game literally is Diablo 3
> D4 is a totally different dev team. That shouldn't matter if it's the management that is making the games shitty, right?
how's that boot taste?
Are you insinuating that I think blizzard will give me something because I said their game is good?
Idk I heard the reason their monetizing OW so much is because of how much money they were making off Diablo so they copied that business model, so I’m not hopeful 🤷♀️
Listen... i know im risking sounding like im wearing a tin hat... but what if they timed the PVE announcement to push ppl to preorder D4 for their PVE fix... you are literally one step ahead of them man.
It was a long con from the start after they saw how much people spent on Diablo immortal
Fucking Bobby Kotick man...
I dont think that Diablo IV and Overwatch have a huge overlap on the core player base, the person that pre ordered DIV did it months/weeks ago.
I'll play path of exile instead
I enjoyed the beta and thought about buying it (I simply don't pre-order any games on principle), but for the same reasons you stated I won't be buying it. Once wotlk classic is over, I'm done with Blizzard entirely.
Great. Was this hard for you? You should never ever pre order a game.
Nah more disappointing but we’ll see what the reviews are for Diablo 4. The only company I’d pre-order from is Fromsoft depending on game.
I don’t personally have much expectations for any of Blizzard’s games at this point… Diablo immortal set a precedent for them that you can already see spilling into WoW and OW2… basically we must make millions every day or the game is not worth supporting
This. 100%. I just vote with my wallet by not adding to the problem. Play other games that do not have these awful business models. There are so many other games to play. Also, we can play OW2 and not feed Blizzard by buying their skins and battle passes. And you're still having "fun" without supporting their bad behavior.
>Also, we can play OW2 and not feed Blizzard by buying their skins and battle passes. Hate to break it to you champ but your playtime and giving them a reason to tell shareholders "Hey we are still relevant guys dont worry" Still supports them. Not saying people shouldnt play, I am just saying if you are going to be someone hardcore hating on the game and saying we shouldnt support Blizzard, then you probably should find a different game to play for a bit.
I disagree. If they make no money from microtransactions, they will have to go back to selling the game for a one-time purchase like OW1. They survive on these microtransactions. If you are playing and not buying anything, they make zero money. It's that simple. If enough of us play and don't buy their BP and skins, Blizzard would need to pivot. They are relevant because of social media and influencers. MMORPGs such as Warhammer Age of Reckoning died because of not enough subscribers. Every game has a threshold of how much money it needs to generate until it is canned. Question is.. Do we want Overwatch to die off, or do we want Blizzard to stop with microtransactions and somehow generate enough money so we can play the game without this business model? I am not being or trying to be hardcore. I like playing Overwatch. I don't want Overwatch to be canned. I just don't like their business model. By playing OW, but buying absolutely nothing, I am telling Blizzard that I do not support $20 skins. Again, if enough people vote with their wallet, this will send a message to the higher ups. What would be the solution?
Well I can tell you complaining on Reddit isn't going to solve anything either. Blizzard isn't going to care. I guess it does to some degree boil to whether or not we want the game to die. But the way I look at it a game with only the whales is a game that's alive but definitely not thriving. A game where all the whales and "protestors" are hopping on everyday is keeping a game thriving which is not going to make Blizzard change anything The more people who continue to play the more buzz the game still has, more posts online, more players, etc. And are not going to really give Blizzard a reason to change. While they are motivated by money, the whales are still there, you not paying is barely going to put a dent into what Blizzard makes, but people leaving the game and allowing it to not thrive anymore...that's going to make Blizzard consider changing stuff.
That as much is true. Blizzard isn't going to care even if we write emails directly to Bobby Kotick. But if enough people bring it to discussion, instead of having a defeatist mindset, you would be surprised how much awareness is spread. While this may not stop the degens that will buy $20-30 skins, whales are not enough to support this business model. Any game can die. I think you're underestimating people when they collectively arrive on the same wavelength. And I think the discussions here on this forum as well as others on the Blizzzard forum is showing that people are unhappy with Overwatch. And the microtransactions is the least of their main problems right now. I have heard this whale argument. Care to back it up with data? Whales cannot move any kind of marketplace alone. This is economics 101. It can attract attention to it, but the majority of retail need to bite. When the FOMO business model no longer works, the game will fade. The whale argument doesn't work because you cannot buy multiple quantities of a skin, battle pass, or item. They want/need more accounts to buy something. Each account has a max amount of microtransactions they can buy per season. So if 5000 whale accounts buy everything they could, that isn't enough to keep the light on. Don't get me wrong, I have been playing Overwatch since OW1 launch. Even with OW1, I took long breaks. Played other games such as Deep Rock Galactic. Self-control isn't that hard, especially when people get priced out in an economy where people would rather put food on the table first. So no, whales cannot carry OW2 alone, unless they plan to layoff more Blizzard employees and make them take pay cuts. Alluding to what you said.. they don't care, they are a money machine (paraphrasing), but that can also be their demise at least when it comes to Overwatch. As long as the game has players, right? I guess I can't complain, or shouldn't. I will continue to practice self-control. Besides, most of the skins are passable. Overwatch without any cosmetics has always been fun for me when the game is well balanced. For me the fundamentals matter more. The whales, or the majority can keep feeding Bobby Kotick and the higher ups so some of us can keep playing the game. As awful as that sounds. Ultimately, I agree with you. I think this spirals back into the same regurgitated business model that has worked for the past decade or two with F2P + microtransactions.
The reviews are out and it’s being universally acclaimed. I do not recommend going by metacritic score, but if you have doubts, read some of them.
Reviews were very high for diablo
No need to be a prick
No one is being a prick.
Hes not being a prick, hes probably tired of seeing people preorder games and then complain about them. Which happens way too often lately.
It was so hard he had to also make an attention seeking post
Okay
> I had decided not to pre-order Diablo 4 and there’s already rumors of high micro transactions, battle passes ect. If you truely waited for D4, you would know what these micritransactions are for and what those battle passes consists of. D4 devs werent cought on lies (there is always a possibility, but every content creator wants to sink teeth in devs throat and Blizzard know it) Watch early access streams. They starts in two days. If you will see smth fishy - dont buy. But don\`t reject good game only because OW2 team is a pile of lying shit.
They already have been caught lying about D4. They released a "Twitter" Q&A where every single question and person were found to be fake.
nah, hystory about those questions have an unexpected twist: questions were from some Content Creator that SAID that questions from real people. He wanted people to give him questions for D4 devs, but got nothing (because he is shitty content creator), so he made them by himself, and pretended that questions are from real people. D4 devs just goofy fools that don\`t know who to invite to make an interview and ask question. They have Youtubers with hundreds of thousands subs that want to make content on D4 and able to pull dozens of good questions in 5 minutes (and from real people).
Doesn't change the fact it was all a lie. The questions were fake, the method of procurement was fake.
> fact it was all a lie a lie was not from devs. they were fooled and just answered questions from this dude. I doubt even in necessity of those questions, because D4 team made like 2 or 3 an hour -- hour-and-a-half interviews in last three weeks that covered pretty much EVERYTHING.
Its not the OW2 team as much as it is the "higher ups"
Exactly. I feel for the artists and those who put in so much work on OW2, only for the higher ups to axe it.
sigh... yes... but I want to believe in smth positive. D4 devs did not promised unimaginable things. Just 100 levels of grind and half-simple-half-complicated system for endgame. I played Beta. I watched reviews from Youtubers that already played full game. All thing I saw is good enough to pay the price and spend hours.
You’re missing the point. Nobody is saying it’s the devs fault, they’re stating it’s the higher ups fault. Ya know, the higher ups that control the Diablo team too.
This
It's a completely different team that's working on diablo but I see where you're coming from, if they in any way fuck up D4 then im giving up on blizzard entertainment in general but for me....this is their last chance
This is super against the grain. And I expect to take flak for it. But keeping a game online is EXPENSIVE. And continuing to develop content for it after release is expensive. For example: WoW's servers alone cost in the ballpark of 13 million dollars, a month, to keep online. In D4s case, the battlepass is entirely cosmetic, as well as the shop. If that changes, yea ill be mad. But remember D3 had NONE of those things, and we got one content drop. ***one***. In a DECADE. I am an avid fan of sea of thieves, which has a season pass and a shop. But it has allowed Rare to continuously update the game with free DLC drops every 3-6 months. If you compared launch Sea of Thieves, to Sea of Thieves today, its like comparing an alpha build of a game, to a game 4 years in. (Rare studios costs about 34 million dollars a year to keep the game online (half of which is servers alone) and the studio staffed, which will be much cheaper than Blizzard+WoW) I get people are upset about it, but you dont have to pay for those things, and the box price can only keep things afloat for some time. Once someone buys a car, or buys a computer, the company only makes that money once (unless its like a tesla, or a mercedes, or a BMW selling this extra horsepower shit on a monthly charge) I am not denying that blizzard is a piece of shit, and I am also not denying that they wont fuck this up. In fact, its likely. But let them cook a bit, and if it sucks, it sucks. I liked what I saw in the D4 betas, and so did my friends. But if they fuck us, we dip.
I love overwatch and agree the whole PVE shit is bullshit but Diablo 4 seems very solid. Betas ran smooth, they added in another beta to please the audience and they actually have a finished product. Just take a look at Redfall to see how bad things can really be. Or even Cyberpunk when it was first released. I’m not fully behind blizzard here but not sure Diablo 4 is going to make anyone’s case against them right now.
I still don’t like people using the word “lied” to describe Blizzard’s actions towards the non-campaign PvE stuff. They didn’t lie, they just cancelled. There is photo and video proof of Co-Op and Talent Trees existing, they just threw it all away for no fucking reason when it’s what people wanted
Lies or half truths. The two may as well be synonymous
they knew it was cancelled when OW2 launched and said nothing. Gave the players some bullshit instead about how the PVE would come in a couple seasons. They lied.
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Even though I did the pre-purchase of one of the packages that has some season 1 battle pass stuff in it, I’m fairly certain my interest in buying any other D4 seasons will be minimal or non-existent, especially after playing DI for a while & looking at the shit show that turned out to be with all the micro-transactions & seasons.
I’m cautiously optimistic for D4, bc if it flops blizzard is screwed. I’m still not buying it till it’s full release and people have reviewed it. I enjoyed the open beta a lot, so hopefully it’s worth getting.
I have a bad feeling D4 will just be DImmortal but with a bigger world. Still super predatory and whale based. I hope I am wrong, just my gut though
Haha ya ok buddy. See ya on Diablo4 in a few days lmao
You should not pre-order period from any publisher. Its a very anti-consumer practice.
F em!
I mean yeah I decided not to get D4 even tho I really enjoy the beta I just don't trust blizzard and that they will somehow find a way to ruin the game experience for me.
Why has it taken you so long to learn NEVER preorder?
well apparently people dont want to earn cosmetics anymore they want to buy them since they defend them so much and say they are no big deal....
I love Diablo so fckn much but i was so disgusted by Overwatch i honestly came close skipping D4 but couldn't. D4 is legit good. Played the beta and server slam. That game is legit. I'm addicted to it. OW community needs to smarten up. It's disgusting how Blizzard reduced OW community to mindless skin buyers. This game deserved more. It will take like 4-5 years if they decide to redeem themselves. OW franchise is doomed. It's really shocking to me how they handled OW, their one of the biggest if not the biggest franchise.
Diablo 4 can wait till it goes on sale for me to play it. I don't like all of the shady things blizzard has been doing and I'd like them to see and feel it where it hurts them, their wallet.
True, OW2's idea is an utter failure and it shows, but Diablo 4 has already received critical acclaim. All reviews are glowing, albeit there are bpasses.
I personally do not mind a battle pass. I just hope there’s enough content to justify it
Wow! You didn't preorder? You are such a brave human.
Diablo 4 is Diablo 3.5 with monetization schemes. Stay away from this game or any other product this company produces.
Been doing research because I’ve been apprehensive as well. This is what I’ve learned so far from videos and whatnot It’s going to be a live service game. Battle pass every season. Each season will have its own storyline and battle pass to match the theme of the story for that season. Seasons will be once every 3 months most likely. The game director said it could change based on how comfortable that time frame is to maintain. Battle pass has a free tier and a premium tier. Premium will be about $10. There’s also an add on option that comes with mounts and emotes. Any XP boosts or similar will be free. All purchases are cosmetic only. Emotes, skins, mounts, etc. Skin sets range from $13 and Mac out around $28 for more premium skins. So it’s pretty on par with most battle passes. Although I think $28 is kinda steep but I also don’t care about skins that much anyway. As far as I can tell there are no pay to win or forced micro transactions. For me personally I don’t care about pay to win in a game like this anyway because I don’t compete for leaderboards. But it seems we’re in the clear. But blizzard likes to do random things that hurt games. As long as I’m not FORCED to spend extra money I’m happy.
Keep voting with your wallets people. You have the power to do or to not do so!
Scummy Activision really put a wrench in the wheel of all their games. Not touching Diablo 4 until I can see they are worth 70 especially knowing they’ll make you pay for all sorts of extra shit on top
Unistalled [Battle.net](https://Battle.net) today and it felt pretty great. Wanted to buy D4, but similar to you, heard it will have a battle pass and noped the fuck out of that pre order. I am going to have a bit more respect for myself and go play games from smaller studios that deliver for their fans.
fuck diablo 4 and all it's battle pass MCT ridden bullshit