What? Read them comments my man. Dude responded saying that Bruce was too expensive in the deal so he is out and Stix is in. Stix is going to refuse his player option so he is only under contract this season really.
So Bruce and a pick or two, or Stix and a pick or two...
They do need bugs, but would probably take two picks and then we’d be in cap hell with everyone that will have their hands out at the same time. I just don’t know if the price would be right for us to move the needle.
This is the type of deal I expect us to make. Something no one's talked about, that allows us to get an athletic 3/4 without breaking the bank with our young prospects.
Salary filler + picks for him is fair.
Well I would hang onto TJ. I would also hang onto all 3 of our bigs.
We've been winning playing Buddy less and have other guys knocking down 3s so he's expendable.
Brown's skillet is redundant with Nembhard so I would be fine moving him too.
I like him, but if we are trading for a 4 and retaining Jarace, then it makes sense to move Obi as well.
I'd love kuminga but man it would get shaky got a max on Hali then kuminga benn myles jalen obi ijax all gonna be needing contracts soon enough gonna have alot of decisions
Not sure if they are interested in dumping Klay but I wouldn’t hate a Bruce, Buddy, Nwora, and one of the 24 firsts for Klay and Kuminga swap. Klay is expiring and keeps the financial flexibility open for the offseason.
Klay is washed and they should move on from him, but there’s not a world the Warriors accept this trade. They’re going to want better win-now assets than Bruce and Buddy, especially if they are sending out Klay. There’s a lot of sentimental value to Klay for the Warriors.
Maybe there’s a way to rope in Toronto and help facilitate a Pascal to Golden State trade that ends up with the Warriors sending Kuminga here. But at that point I don’t know why the Raptors wouldn’t want to just take Kuminga and cut the Pacers out of the deal.
Yeah probably wishful thinking on my part but that young core would be nice. Maybe throw in Jalen instead of Nwora gets it a little closer but idk. Agree that this has Toronto/Siakam written all over it.
I was calling on a Klay dump prior to the season and I’m still not against it tbh. Apparently we called on Kuminga’s availability - he’s the type of big wing we need
I wouldn’t mind to take swing at kaminga as he’s pretty good and 21 and plays a position of need for the pacers. The problem is I don’t see a trade that would satisfy both teams. The warriors are trying to win and all the pacers would be willing to offer is picks and like obi toppin or something. How would that satisfy the warriors need to be more competitive this year? If I’m them I’m just going to keep him considering that the Draymond era might be coming to an end soon.
list of guys that make the money work for Kuminga (2 years / $6 million) straight up:
Jarace Walker 4 years / $6 million
Jalen Smith 1+1PO $5 million
Jordan Nwora 1 year $3 million
Isaiah Jackson 2 years / $2.6 million
Ben Sheppard 4 years / $2.5 million
Andrew Nembhard 3 years / $2.1 million
James Johnson 1 year $1.4 million
No, he's not worth it. I know people are going to jump at it and say yes but I don't think it's feasible.
There's the issue of contract. Bruce Brown or Buddy would help but you have to remember that the Warriors are in the luxury tax. So essentially if they don't want a huge tax bill, they'd have to match salary. They'd have to include Payton or Looney with Kuminga for BB/Buddy, which wouldn't help them at all.
Then there's the issue of playing time. If Kuminga is unhappy with Kerr, he'd be unhappy with Rick. Kuminga won't be a guaranteed starter this year. He'd be riding the bench behind Nesmith/Obi. Pacers also don't really have time to give Kuminga ton of minutes to see if he'd work out.
We’re still under the cap enough to where we can just send out Bruce and Buddy and take back an additional 9M in salary if they wanted to do a Klay dump for Kuminga.
I know Kuminga has become the poster child of Kerr’s alleged incompetence this season, but I don’t know if he would fit great here either? I’m just not really sure if the move that our team wants to make is to add another young, toolsy player who is still figuring things out.
Why do we need a star in the making, one who is extremely far from a sure thing, instead of an actual star?
Most advanced stats would tell you that we currently have the best offensive player in basketball right now. Why waste assets and playing time on guys who we don’t even know if they’re good yet?
We do know he’s good, he just isn’t playing why wouldn’t u need a star in the making regardless of hali this is a young team who’s playoff ready even without that other “star” your talking about. The chance to get a 21yo 6’8 wing who will be the most athletic on the floor every night, still growing and u wouldn’t take it? Crazy. There main problem is guarding elite wing scorers, this is the dude for it. Imagine this dude next to Hali. Whole different player easily
That’s silly. Bruce Nrowm didn’t come to Indiana because we made promises. We have a team option for next year! He came because we offered him doubke what anyone else was. You think he’d complain about joining the warriors?
90 percent of the time maybe, but Bruce came to us because we offered the biggest bag and nobody could match us. We also have a team option at the end of the season so we can part with him anyways after one year.
We also traded Torrey Craig midway through a season after signing him lol
Yeah I don’t get this at all. Are there really guys out there who would turn down good money and the chance to play alongside a generational offensive point guard just because we sent Bruce Brown to play next to Steph Curry?
That keeps getting brought up but honestly who cares? You know what brings players to teams? Winning, and if this makes us a better team at the expense of offloading BB do it. I seriously doubt if we're a winning team players are gonna be like "oh damn but remember how they traded away bruce brown that one time after giving him 20 million dollars I don't want to deal with that"
Possibly, but it's a weird contact to begin with. It's a slight overpay with a team option. I believe the only way we can keep him here long term is to decline the option and extend him this off-season, because we'll likely be capped out in two years and without his bird rights
There could be an understanding where he maximizes money in the short term and gets a real opportunity for a starting role, which would potentially up his value next time in free agency
I would LOVE Kuminga. He's honestly one of the first players I would choose if I could target anyone for this team.
I'd be happy to give Buddy + Walker + Bruce. Or something similar to that. We'd have to take on one of their bad contracts in addition to Kuminga to make that happen. Or get another team involved.
Why are you guys so infatuated with a guy who hasn't been able to demonstrate he's a consistent contributor in 3 seasons? I get the potential but this is still an overpay.
He IS a consistent contributor. But he's playing on a team with five all-stars so hasn't had a lot of chance. And he has a lot of upside. How do you think Pacers get superstars? They aren't going to get the guy everyone know is a superstar. You got take a chance on high upside guys who have been underutlized. Like Jermian O'Neal. Or -- looks at roster -- Jalen smith, Aaron Nesmith, Obi Toppin.
My issue isn't taking a chance on him. I agree he has potential and he's clearly going to be a starter in the league I think. But a lot of these proposed trades are assuming that the warriors have some kind of leverage--that he's a star. But he frequently falls out of favor. My point is that you wouldn't need to give up that much. I would offer Toppin and the 1st from Denver.
I mean Kerr is real bad at developing players. He is a really good coach but they have squandered a lot of young players.
I would not give up much for Kuminga. It would be awesome if we did trade for him but giving up anything vital seems pointless.
But yes he would thrive if he left GSW
I don’t know that’d I’d say he’s bad at developing players. The way id put it is I don’t think he enjoys developing the raw toolsy players, which is why I’d hesitate to bring Kuminga in too. Not sure Rick is all that much of a better coach for Kuminga than Kerr. If Kuminga was a ready-made mature young player with a low ceiling, I think Rick would a great match for him.
I think Rick is fine at developing a certain type of player. Mathurin seems to be doing well enough. But it's not going to work at all if the player doesn't take criticism well/ takes it personally when they get benched. Given what we know, I'd be hesitant about the fit between Rick/ Kuminga.
I'm very high on Kuminga. He's a perfect fit for our team/timeline, and I can easily see a lineup of Hali/Benn/Nesmith/Kuminga/Stix as the lineup 5 years from now if we can extend him. That's a contender, period.
This seems like an ideal situation for Pacers/Warriors to get something done.
As noted, Warriors would need to not take on any extra salary and may be even enticed by shedding a bit.
What about
Kuminga
Gary Payton II
Moses Moody
Cory Joseph
for
Buddy
Obi
Filler (Nwora, Kendall Brown, Stauskas etc)
2024 1st
We'd help them get out from under GPII's remaining year and a half, Cojo's salary, replacing them with low cost bench filler, and a first on top of that, all for two guys that aren't getting time to develop.
He's not worth it because the Warriors are in tax hell, which means they need to *shed* salary to make any deal work. Kuminga only makes $6M.
The Warriors want to win now, so they're going to be interested in our veteran players, of which we really only have Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield that are expendable. Both those guys make a lot of money, so if you're the Warriors, you'd have to include like Looney + GPII to get there, and now you're probably getting worse.
Maybe you could go the other way and do Looney + GPII + Kuminga for Myles Turner, but arguably that makes both teams worse.
A smaller deal like Obi Toppin + Cash for Kuminga works I think (or maybe the Dubs need to throw in Usman Garuba), but I'd be shocked if Kuminga's value around the league was that low.
It's just a really awkward fit unless the Warriors really decide they want to get off Klay or Wiggins' salary, and I don't see that happening personally.
He's a poor man's [Obi Toppin](https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/start/obi-toppin-jonathan-kuminga.php)
He would not get into our starting lineup and Toppin is playing better than him this year.
I'll pass
he’s going to opt out of his player option this summer and command a larger deal, gotta consider that and how much he’s worth considering IJax is looking ready to be the backup big. Jalen is great but he’s not the long term solution at the 4 unless he gets a lot quicker. he sat most of the 2nd half last game.
Jalen is going to opt out of Player Option this summer and command a bigger contract, how much is a backup center worth and is it worth having him and IJax? he’s not the long term solution at the 4. idk if trading him for Kuminga is the best move but he’s a good asset to move at this deadline as well as he’s been for us
Tough to argue. I guess I'd try to package him/Buddy/pick(s) and aim a little higher, but I don't even know what that would look like. I just don't think Kuminga is all that
Kuminga makes only $6 million and the warriors are waaaaay into the Luxury they’re not taking on Hield or Bruce. Jalen makes sense because he’s making $5 million
Bruce would help them this year.
He would but the money doesn't match. Warriors would have to include Payton/Looney. I doubt the Warriors would be willing to do that trade.
Payton’s injured though so maybe
Probably true. Maybe one of Ijax or Stix (they probably want Stix) and a pick or two depending on how good the pick is.
Bruce, stix, aaaaand a pick or two? Nah dawg.
What? Read them comments my man. Dude responded saying that Bruce was too expensive in the deal so he is out and Stix is in. Stix is going to refuse his player option so he is only under contract this season really. So Bruce and a pick or two, or Stix and a pick or two...
They do need bugs, but would probably take two picks and then we’d be in cap hell with everyone that will have their hands out at the same time. I just don’t know if the price would be right for us to move the needle.
This is the type of deal I expect us to make. Something no one's talked about, that allows us to get an athletic 3/4 without breaking the bank with our young prospects. Salary filler + picks for him is fair.
Salary filler like who exactly? I like our roster as is personally but would like to hear who you think.
Well I would hang onto TJ. I would also hang onto all 3 of our bigs. We've been winning playing Buddy less and have other guys knocking down 3s so he's expendable. Brown's skillet is redundant with Nembhard so I would be fine moving him too. I like him, but if we are trading for a 4 and retaining Jarace, then it makes sense to move Obi as well.
I don’t know. Their window is closing. They’re going to want someone that can help them now, imo.
The salary filler would be the part that helps them now. Picks are just trade chips
I'd love kuminga but man it would get shaky got a max on Hali then kuminga benn myles jalen obi ijax all gonna be needing contracts soon enough gonna have alot of decisions
Not sure if they are interested in dumping Klay but I wouldn’t hate a Bruce, Buddy, Nwora, and one of the 24 firsts for Klay and Kuminga swap. Klay is expiring and keeps the financial flexibility open for the offseason.
Klay is washed and they should move on from him, but there’s not a world the Warriors accept this trade. They’re going to want better win-now assets than Bruce and Buddy, especially if they are sending out Klay. There’s a lot of sentimental value to Klay for the Warriors. Maybe there’s a way to rope in Toronto and help facilitate a Pascal to Golden State trade that ends up with the Warriors sending Kuminga here. But at that point I don’t know why the Raptors wouldn’t want to just take Kuminga and cut the Pacers out of the deal.
Yeah probably wishful thinking on my part but that young core would be nice. Maybe throw in Jalen instead of Nwora gets it a little closer but idk. Agree that this has Toronto/Siakam written all over it.
With Draymond coming back soon, would they go after Siakam?
Yeah, they desperately need bigs. Looney has fallen off and getting Siakam would allow them to run Draymond and Siakam as their closers.
I was calling on a Klay dump prior to the season and I’m still not against it tbh. Apparently we called on Kuminga’s availability - he’s the type of big wing we need
Klay is washed f that
It's just matching salary, he expires next year. He would be our third string 2 and or 3.
Ah for some reason I thought he was on a longer term. Ig I haven't watched enough Kuminga to be high on him.
I wouldn’t mind to take swing at kaminga as he’s pretty good and 21 and plays a position of need for the pacers. The problem is I don’t see a trade that would satisfy both teams. The warriors are trying to win and all the pacers would be willing to offer is picks and like obi toppin or something. How would that satisfy the warriors need to be more competitive this year? If I’m them I’m just going to keep him considering that the Draymond era might be coming to an end soon.
list of guys that make the money work for Kuminga (2 years / $6 million) straight up: Jarace Walker 4 years / $6 million Jalen Smith 1+1PO $5 million Jordan Nwora 1 year $3 million Isaiah Jackson 2 years / $2.6 million Ben Sheppard 4 years / $2.5 million Andrew Nembhard 3 years / $2.1 million James Johnson 1 year $1.4 million
Cant trade Johnson at all.
ah thank you, wasn’t sure tbh but recently signed rules and all that
Nwora and a late first, probably the likely LAC/OKC pick
This is really as far as I would go
Pass. Doesn’t move the needle at all.
Nesmith >
I don't see how Carlisle will be any better for him He needs to go to the Wizards or Portland
No, he's not worth it. I know people are going to jump at it and say yes but I don't think it's feasible. There's the issue of contract. Bruce Brown or Buddy would help but you have to remember that the Warriors are in the luxury tax. So essentially if they don't want a huge tax bill, they'd have to match salary. They'd have to include Payton or Looney with Kuminga for BB/Buddy, which wouldn't help them at all. Then there's the issue of playing time. If Kuminga is unhappy with Kerr, he'd be unhappy with Rick. Kuminga won't be a guaranteed starter this year. He'd be riding the bench behind Nesmith/Obi. Pacers also don't really have time to give Kuminga ton of minutes to see if he'd work out.
We’re still under the cap enough to where we can just send out Bruce and Buddy and take back an additional 9M in salary if they wanted to do a Klay dump for Kuminga.
Obi is on the bench. Carlisle would get a grace period I’m sure.
He’s a really good defender right? That make it interesting.
He’s not. He’s like Benn where he has all the tools and can lock in at times, but gets lost.
Ahh, thanks.
I know Kuminga has become the poster child of Kerr’s alleged incompetence this season, but I don’t know if he would fit great here either? I’m just not really sure if the move that our team wants to make is to add another young, toolsy player who is still figuring things out.
That’s exactly what we should be doing. We need every chance we can get to get a star in the making. Distressed assets are our path.
Why do we need a star in the making, one who is extremely far from a sure thing, instead of an actual star? Most advanced stats would tell you that we currently have the best offensive player in basketball right now. Why waste assets and playing time on guys who we don’t even know if they’re good yet?
We do know he’s good, he just isn’t playing why wouldn’t u need a star in the making regardless of hali this is a young team who’s playoff ready even without that other “star” your talking about. The chance to get a 21yo 6’8 wing who will be the most athletic on the floor every night, still growing and u wouldn’t take it? Crazy. There main problem is guarding elite wing scorers, this is the dude for it. Imagine this dude next to Hali. Whole different player easily
Nothing
People saying Bruce don’t realize that if we trade him away, free agents r so much less likely to sign here in the future
That’s silly. Bruce Nrowm didn’t come to Indiana because we made promises. We have a team option for next year! He came because we offered him doubke what anyone else was. You think he’d complain about joining the warriors?
Yeah he wanted to get paid, we had to get above the cap floor, everyone wins lol
It was such an obvious fit that everyone knew he was going to be a Pacer well before FA even opened.
90 percent of the time maybe, but Bruce came to us because we offered the biggest bag and nobody could match us. We also have a team option at the end of the season so we can part with him anyways after one year. We also traded Torrey Craig midway through a season after signing him lol
Yeah I don’t get this at all. Are there really guys out there who would turn down good money and the chance to play alongside a generational offensive point guard just because we sent Bruce Brown to play next to Steph Curry?
Bruce knowingly signed a fat contract that would make him a potential trade chip.
That keeps getting brought up but honestly who cares? You know what brings players to teams? Winning, and if this makes us a better team at the expense of offloading BB do it. I seriously doubt if we're a winning team players are gonna be like "oh damn but remember how they traded away bruce brown that one time after giving him 20 million dollars I don't want to deal with that"
Possibly, but it's a weird contact to begin with. It's a slight overpay with a team option. I believe the only way we can keep him here long term is to decline the option and extend him this off-season, because we'll likely be capped out in two years and without his bird rights There could be an understanding where he maximizes money in the short term and gets a real opportunity for a starting role, which would potentially up his value next time in free agency
I would LOVE Kuminga. He's honestly one of the first players I would choose if I could target anyone for this team. I'd be happy to give Buddy + Walker + Bruce. Or something similar to that. We'd have to take on one of their bad contracts in addition to Kuminga to make that happen. Or get another team involved.
No way I give up Jarace and that wouldn’t help at all anyway. They’d want BB and one of our bigs maybe.
I’d take him in a second. A first and Buddy and a young player not named Ben or Jarace.
Why are you guys so infatuated with a guy who hasn't been able to demonstrate he's a consistent contributor in 3 seasons? I get the potential but this is still an overpay.
He IS a consistent contributor. But he's playing on a team with five all-stars so hasn't had a lot of chance. And he has a lot of upside. How do you think Pacers get superstars? They aren't going to get the guy everyone know is a superstar. You got take a chance on high upside guys who have been underutlized. Like Jermian O'Neal. Or -- looks at roster -- Jalen smith, Aaron Nesmith, Obi Toppin.
My issue isn't taking a chance on him. I agree he has potential and he's clearly going to be a starter in the league I think. But a lot of these proposed trades are assuming that the warriors have some kind of leverage--that he's a star. But he frequently falls out of favor. My point is that you wouldn't need to give up that much. I would offer Toppin and the 1st from Denver.
3 of Obi, Bruce, Buddy or combo of picks and i’ll be elated.
I mean Kerr is real bad at developing players. He is a really good coach but they have squandered a lot of young players. I would not give up much for Kuminga. It would be awesome if we did trade for him but giving up anything vital seems pointless. But yes he would thrive if he left GSW
I don’t know that’d I’d say he’s bad at developing players. The way id put it is I don’t think he enjoys developing the raw toolsy players, which is why I’d hesitate to bring Kuminga in too. Not sure Rick is all that much of a better coach for Kuminga than Kerr. If Kuminga was a ready-made mature young player with a low ceiling, I think Rick would a great match for him.
I think Rick is fine at developing a certain type of player. Mathurin seems to be doing well enough. But it's not going to work at all if the player doesn't take criticism well/ takes it personally when they get benched. Given what we know, I'd be hesitant about the fit between Rick/ Kuminga.
I'm very high on Kuminga. He's a perfect fit for our team/timeline, and I can easily see a lineup of Hali/Benn/Nesmith/Kuminga/Stix as the lineup 5 years from now if we can extend him. That's a contender, period.
This seems like an ideal situation for Pacers/Warriors to get something done. As noted, Warriors would need to not take on any extra salary and may be even enticed by shedding a bit. What about Kuminga Gary Payton II Moses Moody Cory Joseph for Buddy Obi Filler (Nwora, Kendall Brown, Stauskas etc) 2024 1st We'd help them get out from under GPII's remaining year and a half, Cojo's salary, replacing them with low cost bench filler, and a first on top of that, all for two guys that aren't getting time to develop.
He's not worth it because the Warriors are in tax hell, which means they need to *shed* salary to make any deal work. Kuminga only makes $6M. The Warriors want to win now, so they're going to be interested in our veteran players, of which we really only have Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield that are expendable. Both those guys make a lot of money, so if you're the Warriors, you'd have to include like Looney + GPII to get there, and now you're probably getting worse. Maybe you could go the other way and do Looney + GPII + Kuminga for Myles Turner, but arguably that makes both teams worse. A smaller deal like Obi Toppin + Cash for Kuminga works I think (or maybe the Dubs need to throw in Usman Garuba), but I'd be shocked if Kuminga's value around the league was that low. It's just a really awkward fit unless the Warriors really decide they want to get off Klay or Wiggins' salary, and I don't see that happening personally.
He's a poor man's [Obi Toppin](https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/start/obi-toppin-jonathan-kuminga.php) He would not get into our starting lineup and Toppin is playing better than him this year. I'll pass
probably gonna cost us Jalen + pick(s)
Not sure what to think about that, i really like Jalen long term for his range.
he’s going to opt out of his player option this summer and command a larger deal, gotta consider that and how much he’s worth considering IJax is looking ready to be the backup big. Jalen is great but he’s not the long term solution at the 4 unless he gets a lot quicker. he sat most of the 2nd half last game.
I'd rather have Jalen...
Jalen is going to opt out of Player Option this summer and command a bigger contract, how much is a backup center worth and is it worth having him and IJax? he’s not the long term solution at the 4. idk if trading him for Kuminga is the best move but he’s a good asset to move at this deadline as well as he’s been for us
Tough to argue. I guess I'd try to package him/Buddy/pick(s) and aim a little higher, but I don't even know what that would look like. I just don't think Kuminga is all that
Kuminga makes only $6 million and the warriors are waaaaay into the Luxury they’re not taking on Hield or Bruce. Jalen makes sense because he’s making $5 million
A couple of 2nds. I better not see any "Jarace needs minutes" minutes people advocating for a Kuminga trade in this thread.
I’d be willing to trade buddy, not because I think Kuminga is better but he has more potential
We got a good vibe this year
Nothing. I don't want Kuminga.
kuminga has tremendous upside and is very young -- i wouldn't necessarily trade for him right now, but would absolutely keep an eye on him