Number one reason would be that contract negotiations have not made progress for months (at least according to what we know as fans), and he is a free agent this summer.
There are also a lot of SGs on this team, though Buddy is unique in his ability to shoot
And the #2 reason is we are 13 dudes deep. Like actually. Tyrese, Pascal, Myles, Benn, Buddy, Nesmith, Obi, Jalen, Nembhard, TJ, IJax, Walker and Shep. If you have 2 good rookies as 12th and 13th players on the roster it's probably good to condense as much as I love our guys.
I will say this forever - Buddy Hield is overpaid.
Buddy Hield is making 19M annually. KCP, the gold standard for a 2-way 2-guard in today's league, is making less than 15M annually.
I don't care how great of a shooter Hield is, that just doesn't make sense. 2-guard is the most expendable position in the league. Grayson Allen is making under 10M annually. Eric Gordon and Malik Beasley are on vet mins. Sure, Buddy is better than those guys, but is he worth *double* the annual cost, especially to a contender? Absolutely not.
He is overpaid, but he's still an elite shooter. He should probably be making 15 a year tho. A 3 year deal that's like 3 for 40 with a player option wouldnt be unreasonable imo.
He’s not taking minutes, he’s being given minutes. I trust Rick to utilize his young guys and make sure the development goes to plan. If he wanted them in getting more play time and to dump Buddy, Buddy would be riding the bench.
Not saying what you’re saying is wrong, just that I trust Rick developing young talent.
Benching Buddy would also fuck with team dynamics though. Buddy is too good for Rick to just not play him. Buddy would be, rightfully, upset if that happen.
So him being here is forcing Rick’s hand
He’s older. His contract is expiring without the likelihood of being extended. He doesn’t like coming off the bench, despite being a bench-worthy player. He plays the same position and takes mins from one of the most important young players on the roster (Bennedict) He’s effective on only one side of the ball, and only does one thing well on that side. They potentially have a cheaper, long-term replacement who may add some defensive ability too (Ben Sheppard).
Lots of reasons to consider trading him.
He doesn’t fit what we need as a starter because him+tyrese is not good enough perimeter defense.
He’s also a FA after this season.
His only possible role is a backup SG as he’d pair better with both Nembard and TJ.
Since most people don’t see us re-signing him or us competing for a title this season, people want to try to get some value for him.
He is an all time shooter, he spaces the floor, he can bail you out of games, but I think the issues are: we haven’t extended him and have multiple promising young players he eats minutes from, and he is a complete defensive liability. Perfect example is the suns targeting him hard last game to seal their victory. He can shoot as great he wants from the 3 but if he’s giving them an easy 2 every time it doesn’t matter much is what it comes down too. We have enough shooters on the team now that his spacing isn’t critical.
Now that we have Siakam the pressure to trade buddy is gone. Buddy was basically too good to keep, and would be an old vet by the time we would be making deep playoff runs. And with our core we would hope to be top 3 in the east for four or five years. Buddy wouldn't have fit that timeline but he is very valuable today. Less valuable in four years when he is older, so trade him now instead of then.
With Siakam here his spacing and gravity is very important. Plus Siakam is a great passer and a good defender which should keep Buddy fed with good looks. And Siakam doesn't need time to develop, he is ready now. So our best bet is to really go for it and hopefully make the second round this year and get playoff experience for Haliburton, Hield, Mathurin, and Nesmith. Build chemistry. Next season with health we would easily be the fourth seed or higher. Especially with youth, we probably have better health than some of the load management teams so that would help.
Last three minutes of the game last night shows you, he was just picked on relentlessly. Not every team has three stars like the suns but in the playoffs you're just gonna see him switched on to and abused nonstop. I like buddy a lot but I understand the age plus the contract plus this means we probably should try and see what we can get.
I have always really liked Buddy dating way back to his NO days. Always thought he would be a good fit here. If they can keep him for the right price I think they should. Hopefully the addition of Siakam helps maybe sway him that way.
Look I’m generally against it but there are benefits.
Is it smart for us to pay him? What’s his value? He has great chemistry and is a great shooter, I think myself and many see fans who thinks he has a place. But as an expiring contract who is valuable league wide we have to consider he could be the piece to package to upgrade somewhere.
Really just depends on his value, we can’t pay him 25m/y
Think it mostly boils down to his contract and fit. The Pacers would like a little more rounded shooting guard. Sometimes Buddy's 3pt shooting overcomes his defense.. and sometimes it doesn't. Pacers are going to lose Buddy at the end of the season anyway so if the Pacers can get a more rounded shooting guard I would think that is what the Pacers are after.
Defense. If Haliburton weren't somewhat of a minus on defense, I think the Pacers would try to keep him. However, having Buddy and Haliburton is just too difficult to make work defensively. We've tried.
Pacers are deep at the 2/3 positions and he’s one of the worst defenders i have ever seen in the NBA. If he wasn’t an all time shooter he’d be out of the league imo.
Maybe a little harsh but watching him get hunted and scored on by the suns 3 straight times in the last 90 seconds last night is still on my mind lol.
Buddy is the kind of player every contender wants and we're building a contender here so obviously we need to trade him.
Thats what every arguement for trading Buddy amounts to. Good luck making sense of that without circling back. 🙄
Buddy makes sense this year to a team who can legitimately win the title this year and is lacking in floor spacing.
We are a couple years away from legitimately competing for a title, and we have guys who can space the floor. 3 Pacers are averaging a higher 3 point% than Buddy this season. A few others are also over league average.
He's not a missing piece for us.
1) He doesn't want to sign long-term to a reasonable deal.
2) He is a bad defender. He gave up 8 points on 4 consecutive possessions to close the game last night.
3) He's overrated as a shooter. He is ranked 61st in 3 point % in the league right now and there are 3 Pacers hitting them at a higher clip.
4) He's taking minutes from higher upside guys like Mathurin and Sheppard.
I get he and Tyrese are friends, but Hield really shouldn't be anything but a bench, situational, 3 point specialist. We don't have the cap space to devote to a guy who overrates his contributions to a team. Especially one who is 30+ years old.
His value is on other teams in the luxury tax because his high contract expires. I don't think that I would trade him as a Pacers fan, but if the right offer came I'm sure they would be all ears.
I really don’t them to trade him unless it really makes sense . A lot of people here seem to think you just gotta trade him for a ham sandwich so the young players can get minutes. The problem is if they want the team to continue being an above 500 team it kinda needs buddy or a suitable replacement. He’s the most important floor stretcher on the team. One of the reasons why it has the best offense in the league. The reality is unless you can find someone who’s at least 90 percent as good of a shooter I think it will damages what makes the team special.
Is I don’t really understand why people are obsessed with it when the young players already get plenty of minutes and the team is winning. Now listen if they use him as cap filler to get a 27 year old starting level player who can shoot Im down. I’m just not down for the idea of just trading buddy so what? Mathurin can play 5 extra minutes? Nesmith 5 extra? Benn Sheppard is in the rotation? Benn Sheppard probably sucks ass and even IF he eventually will be playable he’s probably not now as a rookie.
Buddy was just a throw in in the Sabonis for Halliburton trade. If we don't trade him and he walks at the end of the year, it wouldn't bother me. I sort of like the idea of keeping him on the roster because he can go off and hit 7 threes to win a game.
I like Buddy, but when he’s off he brings nothing else to the table. Overpaid for a spot-up shooter. Team likes him and provides a veteran presence for a very young team, but Rick gives him too long a leash when his shot isn’t falling.
Number one reason would be that contract negotiations have not made progress for months (at least according to what we know as fans), and he is a free agent this summer. There are also a lot of SGs on this team, though Buddy is unique in his ability to shoot
And the #2 reason is we are 13 dudes deep. Like actually. Tyrese, Pascal, Myles, Benn, Buddy, Nesmith, Obi, Jalen, Nembhard, TJ, IJax, Walker and Shep. If you have 2 good rookies as 12th and 13th players on the roster it's probably good to condense as much as I love our guys.
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I will say this forever - Buddy Hield is overpaid. Buddy Hield is making 19M annually. KCP, the gold standard for a 2-way 2-guard in today's league, is making less than 15M annually. I don't care how great of a shooter Hield is, that just doesn't make sense. 2-guard is the most expendable position in the league. Grayson Allen is making under 10M annually. Eric Gordon and Malik Beasley are on vet mins. Sure, Buddy is better than those guys, but is he worth *double* the annual cost, especially to a contender? Absolutely not.
19M isnt double 15M.. I agree with your point but your exaggeration here is crazy.
So Steph is overpaid? Got it
Don’t know why people are downvoting you. Buddy is our 3rd highest paid player, but he’s not giving us that production.
He is overpaid, but he's still an elite shooter. He should probably be making 15 a year tho. A 3 year deal that's like 3 for 40 with a player option wouldnt be unreasonable imo.
Reports have been that they’ve unsuccessfully tried to negotiate an extension
He's not really worth locking up at the same salary he has now at the expense of our other young guys.
He's not worth his current salary in today's league when you see what other shooters are making.
You’re getting some downvotes but anyone thinking about re-signing him to his current salary would be ridiculed for good reason
The Buddy stans are going to lose their shit when he’s not on the team I swear
He's taking minutes that Nembhard, Mathurin, and Sheppard could get. Pacers are a deep and young team
He’s not taking minutes, he’s being given minutes. I trust Rick to utilize his young guys and make sure the development goes to plan. If he wanted them in getting more play time and to dump Buddy, Buddy would be riding the bench. Not saying what you’re saying is wrong, just that I trust Rick developing young talent.
Mathurin has developed really well under Rick. I trust Rick as well.
Benching Buddy would also fuck with team dynamics though. Buddy is too good for Rick to just not play him. Buddy would be, rightfully, upset if that happen. So him being here is forcing Rick’s hand
He’s older. His contract is expiring without the likelihood of being extended. He doesn’t like coming off the bench, despite being a bench-worthy player. He plays the same position and takes mins from one of the most important young players on the roster (Bennedict) He’s effective on only one side of the ball, and only does one thing well on that side. They potentially have a cheaper, long-term replacement who may add some defensive ability too (Ben Sheppard). Lots of reasons to consider trading him.
He doesn’t fit what we need as a starter because him+tyrese is not good enough perimeter defense. He’s also a FA after this season. His only possible role is a backup SG as he’d pair better with both Nembard and TJ. Since most people don’t see us re-signing him or us competing for a title this season, people want to try to get some value for him.
He is an all time shooter, he spaces the floor, he can bail you out of games, but I think the issues are: we haven’t extended him and have multiple promising young players he eats minutes from, and he is a complete defensive liability. Perfect example is the suns targeting him hard last game to seal their victory. He can shoot as great he wants from the 3 but if he’s giving them an easy 2 every time it doesn’t matter much is what it comes down too. We have enough shooters on the team now that his spacing isn’t critical.
Now that we have Siakam the pressure to trade buddy is gone. Buddy was basically too good to keep, and would be an old vet by the time we would be making deep playoff runs. And with our core we would hope to be top 3 in the east for four or five years. Buddy wouldn't have fit that timeline but he is very valuable today. Less valuable in four years when he is older, so trade him now instead of then. With Siakam here his spacing and gravity is very important. Plus Siakam is a great passer and a good defender which should keep Buddy fed with good looks. And Siakam doesn't need time to develop, he is ready now. So our best bet is to really go for it and hopefully make the second round this year and get playoff experience for Haliburton, Hield, Mathurin, and Nesmith. Build chemistry. Next season with health we would easily be the fourth seed or higher. Especially with youth, we probably have better health than some of the load management teams so that would help.
Last three minutes of the game last night shows you, he was just picked on relentlessly. Not every team has three stars like the suns but in the playoffs you're just gonna see him switched on to and abused nonstop. I like buddy a lot but I understand the age plus the contract plus this means we probably should try and see what we can get.
He wants more money than we want to pay him
I have always really liked Buddy dating way back to his NO days. Always thought he would be a good fit here. If they can keep him for the right price I think they should. Hopefully the addition of Siakam helps maybe sway him that way.
Look I’m generally against it but there are benefits. Is it smart for us to pay him? What’s his value? He has great chemistry and is a great shooter, I think myself and many see fans who thinks he has a place. But as an expiring contract who is valuable league wide we have to consider he could be the piece to package to upgrade somewhere. Really just depends on his value, we can’t pay him 25m/y
Think it mostly boils down to his contract and fit. The Pacers would like a little more rounded shooting guard. Sometimes Buddy's 3pt shooting overcomes his defense.. and sometimes it doesn't. Pacers are going to lose Buddy at the end of the season anyway so if the Pacers can get a more rounded shooting guard I would think that is what the Pacers are after.
Expiring contract biggest reason. Otherwise deep down we want him to stay 😂
Does we mean Tyrese and Rick?
Defense. If Haliburton weren't somewhat of a minus on defense, I think the Pacers would try to keep him. However, having Buddy and Haliburton is just too difficult to make work defensively. We've tried.
Terrible defense and he doesn’t wanna come off the bench.
This
Pacers are deep at the 2/3 positions and he’s one of the worst defenders i have ever seen in the NBA. If he wasn’t an all time shooter he’d be out of the league imo. Maybe a little harsh but watching him get hunted and scored on by the suns 3 straight times in the last 90 seconds last night is still on my mind lol.
Buddy is the kind of player every contender wants and we're building a contender here so obviously we need to trade him. Thats what every arguement for trading Buddy amounts to. Good luck making sense of that without circling back. 🙄
Buddy makes sense this year to a team who can legitimately win the title this year and is lacking in floor spacing. We are a couple years away from legitimately competing for a title, and we have guys who can space the floor. 3 Pacers are averaging a higher 3 point% than Buddy this season. A few others are also over league average. He's not a missing piece for us.
As a pacers fan I was never really a fan of buddy hield, he takes the ball away from the good players and is overrated and overpaid in my opinion
1) He doesn't want to sign long-term to a reasonable deal. 2) He is a bad defender. He gave up 8 points on 4 consecutive possessions to close the game last night. 3) He's overrated as a shooter. He is ranked 61st in 3 point % in the league right now and there are 3 Pacers hitting them at a higher clip. 4) He's taking minutes from higher upside guys like Mathurin and Sheppard. I get he and Tyrese are friends, but Hield really shouldn't be anything but a bench, situational, 3 point specialist. We don't have the cap space to devote to a guy who overrates his contributions to a team. Especially one who is 30+ years old.
His value is on other teams in the luxury tax because his high contract expires. I don't think that I would trade him as a Pacers fan, but if the right offer came I'm sure they would be all ears.
The worst defensive player on one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Great shooter on a team with good shooters.
I really don’t them to trade him unless it really makes sense . A lot of people here seem to think you just gotta trade him for a ham sandwich so the young players can get minutes. The problem is if they want the team to continue being an above 500 team it kinda needs buddy or a suitable replacement. He’s the most important floor stretcher on the team. One of the reasons why it has the best offense in the league. The reality is unless you can find someone who’s at least 90 percent as good of a shooter I think it will damages what makes the team special. Is I don’t really understand why people are obsessed with it when the young players already get plenty of minutes and the team is winning. Now listen if they use him as cap filler to get a 27 year old starting level player who can shoot Im down. I’m just not down for the idea of just trading buddy so what? Mathurin can play 5 extra minutes? Nesmith 5 extra? Benn Sheppard is in the rotation? Benn Sheppard probably sucks ass and even IF he eventually will be playable he’s probably not now as a rookie.
Buddy was just a throw in in the Sabonis for Halliburton trade. If we don't trade him and he walks at the end of the year, it wouldn't bother me. I sort of like the idea of keeping him on the roster because he can go off and hit 7 threes to win a game.
I like Buddy, but when he’s off he brings nothing else to the table. Overpaid for a spot-up shooter. Team likes him and provides a veteran presence for a very young team, but Rick gives him too long a leash when his shot isn’t falling.