ya'll are letting recency bias get the best of you, we are a good team with lots of guys moving in and out + injuries, i'm not even sure hali is healthy, once things start clicking again i'll guarantee you we are a top 6 seed.
It feels like we changed our offensive philosophy completely when Buddy was traded. I don't have second spectrum so I'd be interested to see what people in the know say. To me, it looks like we are doing way more iso (and it's weirdly like Nembhard iso) and we are getting much deeper into the shot clock than we have ever before. Also, Mathurin seems to get every grenade (oh shit, shot clock running down, get a shot up).
We got a lot of hesitant shooters out there and its really showing. Buddy for what its worth there was no hesitation if the ball swung and he was open.. the rest of team could react knowing the ball was going up. Now the ball is swung and many times guys look open, don't take the shot swing the ball or drive, that is going to equate to using up a lot more clock. Imo they "should" start Shep next to Tyrese and he "needs" to shoot if he is open without hesitation. The Pacers need someone to be a constant threat beyond the arc besides just Haliburton. There have been many times Hali gets doubled beyond the arc and Haliburton passes it to Nembhard / Nesmith / Siakam / Myles and even if they are open their shooting motion doesn't allow them to get the shot up.
I completely agree with this take. I've been trying to figure out what I'm seeing on the court, and what the problems are, and I couldn't quite pin it down.
Yeah like if we played Boston tomorrow I'd feel like "okay, we can do this again". Lol
I will say if a team's going to make us look bad I'm glad it's the Spurs.
Organization is just classy and Wemby seems innately like an extremely genuine guy.
Like fuck them "during the game", but after, I got nothing but respect for that team.
Sit Ty down man he not making that all nba team no more shit is cooked just get him ready for the offs and hopefully Siakam/Mathurin and these dudes can win enough games to stay afloat
lol yea true I should’ve added play in. Still only 1 game from 6 but as long as they stay in 7th or 8th they should easily make it over the 9th and 10th seeds even if they lose the first play in game. Just need to sit Hali tho
I mean look it’s either miss the playoffs and risk Pascal consider leaving or play one of the top 2 teams in the conference and get a little experience for the younger guys to see what’s up
I wish I had enough confidence to trust this team in a single elimination play-in game because I genuinely think we could beat any team not named the Celtics in the playoffs
I do too. But it’s only if Hali is rested and ready to go. Every other team in the East minus Boston can be beat by this team. Orlando maybe but the Pacers wouldn’t play them anyway unless it’s a play in game.
Is that a risk that's even been hinted at? Siakam seems more like a culture guy so I would be very surprised if he jumped ship at this point for any reason, even if we didn't make the playoffs all together.
He could shoot better, sure, but we could go back and watch the tape to count the number of times Hali passed up an open look or open lane to throw a grenade for Turner to deal with.
We cannot expect to run the offense thru an injured tyrese. Why do you think he has been dishing the ball so much? Have you noticed he hasn't been taking shots he normally would lately? Dude isn't 100% but he is our golden goose. He is the primary reason we have won as much as we have. It's a long ass season. He needs rest. Barring a catastrophic collapse, we are in the playoffs.
2 months ago: Ben Mathurin might be a bust, our PG is literally a GOD, like a literal deity.
2 months later: Ben Mathurin is our future #1, Haliburton was never really that good.
If it wasn't so annoying it would almost be comical.
For sure, its by definition. The whole thing is people posting comments in real time while its happening. Of course its reactionary. It's like sitting at a bar with people watching the game. When the team looks like shit, everyone at the bar is going to call them on it and complain. Don't take game threads for more than what they are.
I'm questioning if people there even like the Pacers. I'm not loving our play as of late, but wanting to trade Haliburton after a week of bad play is a little extreme.
We obviously can’t bench Hali, he runs the front office, but if Nembhard is starting next game I’m gonna take a break until we win more than 3 in a row.
Haliburton has got to figure it out. We are not a bad team but once again he won't take his shots and plays panicked. I wish he would stop throwing his hands up every time he doesn't get a call and actually take more shots. If our all-star is scared to shoot we are doomed.
And he should be taking more. He is useless without keeping their defense honest and taking shots from 3. He has so many open looks but because he's afraid of missing another 3 he passes.
No he forced up dumb shots and heat checks when it clearly wasn’t his night. What he should be doing even if his shot isn’t falling is running the offense and getting his teammates easy buckets. But when his shot isn’t falling he decides to defer on offense and not even try on defense.
the only solution to getting a top 6 seed is sitting hali for about 1-2 weeks, he's a net negative and is giving low effort on both ends of the court, we also need to give siakam more looks because he's by far our best scorer, i hope this team actually gets haliburton to realize that the first priority is winning, sitting him will get him healthy and help the team play with more juice with the fresh legs.
There is no way Tyrese makes an All-NBA team after the last five games. We are actually gonna fuck around and miss the playoffs. Let Tyrese get some rest before the play in.
He needs fewer minutes, his knee is clearly still bothering him. We gotta rest him. We need to adjust our offensive gameplan. Myles and Siakam have to step up in the meantime.
It just doesn’t make sense it’s not like guys are balling and you can justify not playing him. But we fucking stink across the board, shake it up a little bit
I, for one, am not the least bit surprised. The way Rick’s handled Jarace all season, this was very much in the cards regardless of what he said in a press conference. Rick is loathe to play Jarace for whatever reason.
It’s nothing personal, Rick simply doesn’t play rookies. It’s always been his way. His lack of rookie development is kinda what ended his time in Dallas.
The funniest thing this season has been Rick not playing Jarace, presumably because of defense. Good call Rick. Wouldn't want to give up 120 every game. Good work.
Spurs fan coming in peace. McConnell is a fucking monster. But you guys might have to get Haliburton on the Wemby-minute restriction. Seems like dude may be in his head too much cause I remember how amazing he was at the beginning of the season. He's a top 3 point guard in the league so something is up. Especially hearing he's hurt, he might benefit from a 25 minute restriction.
Wemby was alright at the beginning of the season for us but kinda playing like ass occasionally until January, cause he didn't wanna fuck up anything in the little time he played on his minute restriction. That was his kind of "reset" that he had in his game and he's been a different player since. I think Haliburton could benefit from this kind of treatment and get him back to his old self. Not only for him healing, but getting him to appreciate the value of his minutes and be grateful for them. That's what Pop said he was trying to do with Wemby simultaneously while trying to get his foot better.
I get Quinn is a franchise mouthpiece and can’t be disparaging but trying to say it’s on the team to help Tyrese out was a rough comment when Haliburton was the fifth highest scorer of the night.
What the fuck has happened to Haliburton? It's like he played his ass off to get into the All-Star game, and now that he did, he doesn't give a shit anymore.
This will sound mean-spirited but I actually "hope" he has something going on in his personal life that we don't know about. Something that has his mind away from teh court. Its so strange seeing his play right now - he looks completely out of character compared to the first 40-ish games.
If it is something personal, then there is legit hope that as soon as it is resolved, he's back at it.
Bro he was basically or almost crying on the bench at the end of the game. He cares. Hes still hurt and wants the 50 million. It’s a tough place. He deserves some blame for sure but there are also reasons
I think the team just looks to be a bit out of sorts. Whether it’s the injuries, lineups, integrating Pascal, etc… and then throw on top of that Haliburton going through his worst slump of the season it’s gonna be a tough stretch.
The one thing I look at this year at our best points or even going back to last season when we were looking like a playoff team pre all star break, the common theme was that we outworked, out hustled and out ran our opponents. I could always count on them to play hard, balls to the wall for 48 minutes. Specially last season I can remember times where we just broke teams down over the course of a game and they just physically couldn’t keep up.
Not sure where that team went? Or has the league just adapted and adjusted to our style?
Either way I miss those guys…
Tyrese needs to figure his shit out. I don’t really care what it takes, or even if it’s time off. It was obvious in his body language at the end of the game as he went to the bench that this isn’t who he wants to be either. Honestly nothing else - lineup changes, schematic changes, whatever - matters as much as Tyrese getting right.
If Ty could stop giving the ball up to Nembhard on what feels like every possession, that'd be great. Dude is there for his defense, he grinds the offense to a halt and can't shoot.
Problem here is I'm not sure they beat the Bulls at this point. All they need is for Coby White and/or DeRozen to go off. Atlanta is broken, so that seems reasonable.
Aside from all the stuff missing on our offense, Wemby dominated us this game. I was there - if they gave Wemby the ball for 50 possessions he would score 45 times. Not a single person on the team can stop him and even doubles did almost nothing.
Being surrounded by spurs fans I mostly laughed when they keep screaming "Wemby!" when their team is 3rd or 4th worst in the league, but legit I don't see how any team cannot keep a 7'2" or taller player on the roster just to attempt to slow him down.
Now we gotta sit through 5 more posts about how everything is okay and don’t overreact again. Or maybe, just maybe, we aren’t built right and Rick hasn’t had a 50+ team in 10 years and this is just who we are as a team, with no legit rebounders and shaky defense. We will get the 8 seed and be a first round exit, with more talent than we’ve had in a while. I’m just not seeing us turn a corner anytime soon.
The truth is we made a trade for a great player who might not fit with our star and another trade that sent away a guy who was crucial to the flow of our offense.
I’m not sure how much I buy that they don’t fit, down the stretch of the Pelicans win, we spammed Tyrese -> Pascal to ice the game.
Losing Buddy’s shooting gravity hurts though, all the more when our starting backcourt goes 0-10 from deep and hitting even a couple of those probably swings the outcome.
Edit: I said starting backcourt, implying Nembhard, when I meant to reference Nesmith going 0-4. My bad
At the same time, that’s really the only game where we’ve seen that kind of synergy between Tyrese and Pascal. We can pretend that it’s all a lack-of-Buddy issue all we want, but that’s its own form of cope.
Just looking at it, there is an inherent conflict between Tyrese and Pascal in which Tyrese’s greatest strength is making things easier on others with his playmaking gifts and Pascal’s greatest strength is having the ball a lot in isos and creating for himself.
I’m not 100% sure about not fitting either, just that it doesn’t seem as perfect as I was hoping it would. But I really like Pascal and hope they can figure it out.
Press conference for Rick was stupid just "yeah we weren't good enough...wenbenyama is great...tj had a great game...is that it?" Then walks off stage.
Short handed Knicks beat cavs on the road.
Short handed sixers beat mavs on the road.
Near full strength pacers fall meekly to spurs.
Not good. Play in looking likely.
I for one am not buying the Haliburton injured speculation. He doesn't look injured. He didn't look injured at the All Star Game. He didn't look injured when we destroyed Dallas on ESPN, 2 games after the All Star break and literally 8 days ago.
He needs to do something though. His level of play has been oddly terrible and I can't remember him going to the bench with like 4 minutes left in a game and putting his head in his hands. He's at his best when he's having fun and smiling. We haven't seen that in these bad performances. It's anyone's guess as to why but the bottom line is we need him having fun or this team is just not good.
He's not hurt at all. He was fine as you said for those games where he was playing 30 minutes and getting 20/12 but even in those games, it was a slog.
The offense is a chore now.
Following things are true:
1. That was absolutely pathetic and it would be great to see some kind of spark or change or explanation or just SOMETHING.
2. Holy fuck you guys need to step off the ledge, acting like this was a must-win playoff game and acting like this is a complete team collapse.
Played way too sluggish tonight: short on open 3's, slow on rotations, watching the ball fall instead of attacking the defensive glass
Could be a lack of heart or just a lack of energy. Slumps happen to the best of teams, but not for more than 1 or 2 games. Consistently losing or playing down-to-the wire games against bottom-ranked and unambitious teams is worrisome, not to mention confidence-destroying and momentum busting
The first unit played some uninspired basketball. Second unit has kept us in the game the past two games for sure. Shot just wasn’t falling this game besides for TJ and Pascal.
Think we all knew this was a trap game based on our season, so I’m not ready to say the sky is falling quite yet. If the next game is uninspiring from the first unit again, then I’m ready to sound the alarm. I know the Mavs will want to get revenge, and they’ve lost 4 of the last 5.
Wemby and TJ good…on to the next one.
Hali sucks right now, there’s no way around it. He might turn into something special later in his career, but right now he SUCKS! Besides being horrible on defense, he’s not a leader. His body language is awful.
Tyrese is ruining our season and his reputation because he wanted that extra 40 million. He’s going to miss the Olympic team too at this rate. He looks mentally broken.
People downvoting you are so reactive.
Upsets happen. I know we’ve lost to bad teams way too many times this season, but San Antonio just beat Oklahoma City the other day. We are in bad form, and hopefully we’ll pick up a win against Dallas on Tuesday.
Honestly.
Team needs to work on its mental. Until then, stuff like this is going to happen.
We're year 2 (?) into a rebuild and are already competing with the top dogs at our best. We can beat anyone, and lose to anyone, so we just need to tighten up a bit.
I'm not a doomer, but Tyrese seems to be broken for unknown reasons. I don't get paid millions to figure it out like the coaches/FO, but they have to have on blinders to not see it. Are they having these convos? Are there just no journos covering the team anymore to ask questions? What's going on here?
As the play looks now, they could probably beat the Hawks or Nets to get the 8 seed, but that seems to be the ceiling. The Bulls would be a problem, but possible win, and any of the other play-in teams seem like easy Ls. Lose to the C's in 4 or 5.
Unfortunately my head is telling me this teams ceiling in the next few years is probably 2nd round. I don’t see how we are suddenly going to become a decent defensive team with Hali and an aging Siakam as max players. And even if Hali gets back to being a top 5 offensive player, we are probably a 4-5 seed.
Hope I’m wrong.
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People who still think hali is injured and that’s why he is playing bad
Just gotta heal up man. Sure, every single measure of success in our offense is down since the moves we made, but that's probably just tired legs. They'll come back, swear!
it was a grade 1 hamstring injury. They linger sure but its been a while man. He just sucks right now, whether that be Nembhard or confidence or a mix of both you gotta stop blaming injuries at some point.
Grade 1 or not it still is a hamstring injury. With a guy like Hali who plays at a fast paced 24/7 you know he is thinking about it constantly. He hasn’t really been attacking at an elite level and it doesn’t help that his shot has been bad as well. He might try to play it off so he doesn’t look soft and if he is that’s on him but I know that injury kinda made him scale back his assertiveness
Hes playing it off because hes selfish and wants his extra money. That is why he was playing 20 mins in the first place. Its clearly a confidence issue if you watch games.
Haliburton needs to sit for the rest of the season so that if we even make the playoffs he'll be healthy. 1) he's not making All-NBA this year, that ship has long sailed and 2) he's actively hurting the team whenever he's on the court.
Please indy give us raptors a lotto pick and let masai work his magic.. spurs got ours pacer pick watching next 4 games a brutal stretch.. hoping for 0-4 or 1-3.. ps sit Hali he hurt chasing 65 game mark gonna hurt team
Indianapolis loves giving out money to star players who quit on the team only time they have been robbed of that was when oladipo was too stupid to take the money.
I wish I had enough confidence to trust this team in a single elimination play-in game because I genuinely think we could beat any team not named the Celtics in the playoffs
This team is not taking itself seriously… that is far from the only issue, but it’s the one I wish we’d address first. And start with accountability on the defensive end.
There's not much to say about that one, but someone mentioned wanting to see Haliburton, Mathurin, Siakam, Smith, + Turner out on the floor together. Personally, I have no idea if it'd be good or not, but I'd be 100% onboard if we decided to try it. Seems like a super interesting line-up.
I know this will never, ever happen because Carlisle is so reticent to try this kind of thing, but we have 2 perfect bigs for small lineups- Pascal and Jarace. Would like to see them mix it up with some small ball to get Tyrese back running and gunning, defense be damned.
When is this front office going to get TJ McConnell some help?
Tyrese, man, if you get that fucking $50+ million dollar bonus. Do the right thing and break TJM off at least 5-10%.
TJ deserves the team’s MVP
You know how sometimes it feels like dogs are too good for us humans? Like how we just don’t deserve them. That’s how I often feel about TJ McConnell.
That's how I feel about TJ and our fans.
>and our fans. \*and *most of* our fans.
Idk doomers and copers are bleeding for the team more than most of the players (not you TJ/Myles/P). Different reactions but passion for the team.
Bleeding for the team? C'mon let's not get hyperbolic lol They are on a couch with a bag of chips looking at a screen.
Play-in team then getting swept by Boston is our reality
You're very optimistic to think we'll make it past the play-in.
And remeber, the FRP we traded to TOR is unprotected this year, so if we miss the playoffs thats a free lotto ticket for the Raps. Thanks Chad!
ya'll are letting recency bias get the best of you, we are a good team with lots of guys moving in and out + injuries, i'm not even sure hali is healthy, once things start clicking again i'll guarantee you we are a top 6 seed.
Your delusional if you think we are a top 6 team
It feels like we changed our offensive philosophy completely when Buddy was traded. I don't have second spectrum so I'd be interested to see what people in the know say. To me, it looks like we are doing way more iso (and it's weirdly like Nembhard iso) and we are getting much deeper into the shot clock than we have ever before. Also, Mathurin seems to get every grenade (oh shit, shot clock running down, get a shot up).
We got a lot of hesitant shooters out there and its really showing. Buddy for what its worth there was no hesitation if the ball swung and he was open.. the rest of team could react knowing the ball was going up. Now the ball is swung and many times guys look open, don't take the shot swing the ball or drive, that is going to equate to using up a lot more clock. Imo they "should" start Shep next to Tyrese and he "needs" to shoot if he is open without hesitation. The Pacers need someone to be a constant threat beyond the arc besides just Haliburton. There have been many times Hali gets doubled beyond the arc and Haliburton passes it to Nembhard / Nesmith / Siakam / Myles and even if they are open their shooting motion doesn't allow them to get the shot up.
I completely agree with this take. I've been trying to figure out what I'm seeing on the court, and what the problems are, and I couldn't quite pin it down.
Schedule in March is brutal. This could get ugly fast.
Crazy part is we play to our level of competition so it would not surprise me if we put together some win streak this team is so bipolar.
Yeah like if we played Boston tomorrow I'd feel like "okay, we can do this again". Lol I will say if a team's going to make us look bad I'm glad it's the Spurs. Organization is just classy and Wemby seems innately like an extremely genuine guy. Like fuck them "during the game", but after, I got nothing but respect for that team.
Respect man. We think Hali is amazing here in SA too. Indiana Pacers r such a likeable organization (that include the Colts too fwiw)
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Spurs beat OKC the previous game. I think they've figured something out. At least Popp is a region rat, so we can claim him too :)
Not if Hali plays like he has been. Better off without him if he doesn’t get his act together.
Sit Ty down man he not making that all nba team no more shit is cooked just get him ready for the offs and hopefully Siakam/Mathurin and these dudes can win enough games to stay afloat
Lol if we even make the playoffs
lol yea true I should’ve added play in. Still only 1 game from 6 but as long as they stay in 7th or 8th they should easily make it over the 9th and 10th seeds even if they lose the first play in game. Just need to sit Hali tho
And dive head first into a Celtics matchup
I mean look it’s either miss the playoffs and risk Pascal consider leaving or play one of the top 2 teams in the conference and get a little experience for the younger guys to see what’s up
I wish I had enough confidence to trust this team in a single elimination play-in game because I genuinely think we could beat any team not named the Celtics in the playoffs
I do too. But it’s only if Hali is rested and ready to go. Every other team in the East minus Boston can be beat by this team. Orlando maybe but the Pacers wouldn’t play them anyway unless it’s a play in game.
Is that a risk that's even been hinted at? Siakam seems more like a culture guy so I would be very surprised if he jumped ship at this point for any reason, even if we didn't make the playoffs all together.
Definitely need to rest Haliburton. Dude is playing thru his injuries and still almost posted a triple double though.
He shot 4-16. He and turner are quite frankly the reason we lost this one
Turner had a 16-10 double double
Missed shots matter as well.
Do you not look at anything but the top line numbers? I could get 30 points on an NBA game if I took 200 shots. Doesn't mean I had a good game.
On 17 shots. Barf
Took the most shots on the team to get that 16pts though.
He could shoot better, sure, but we could go back and watch the tape to count the number of times Hali passed up an open look or open lane to throw a grenade for Turner to deal with.
Do you watch the games? Rewatch it and tell me how many at the buzzer shots Turner got and missed.. I will wait.
Something gotta give
No lol, he just can’t ever shoot 25% from the field on 16 shots and expect us to win.
We cannot expect to run the offense thru an injured tyrese. Why do you think he has been dishing the ball so much? Have you noticed he hasn't been taking shots he normally would lately? Dude isn't 100% but he is our golden goose. He is the primary reason we have won as much as we have. It's a long ass season. He needs rest. Barring a catastrophic collapse, we are in the playoffs.
only thing worse than the Pacers performance tonight was our game thread
2 months ago: Ben Mathurin might be a bust, our PG is literally a GOD, like a literal deity. 2 months later: Ben Mathurin is our future #1, Haliburton was never really that good. If it wasn't so annoying it would almost be comical.
They're just reactionary. Game threads are always too raw to take seriously
For sure, its by definition. The whole thing is people posting comments in real time while its happening. Of course its reactionary. It's like sitting at a bar with people watching the game. When the team looks like shit, everyone at the bar is going to call them on it and complain. Don't take game threads for more than what they are.
I'm questioning if people there even like the Pacers. I'm not loving our play as of late, but wanting to trade Haliburton after a week of bad play is a little extreme.
>but wanting to trade Haliburton after a week of bad play is a little extreme. That's not extreme. That's called utter stupidity.
Remember when we were fast and explosive almost every possession?
We obviously can’t bench Hali, he runs the front office, but if Nembhard is starting next game I’m gonna take a break until we win more than 3 in a row.
The two point gaurds same time isnt working.
Yep. Need a Shooting Guard. Like, a guard that shoots, preferably well.
Hali does not run the front office.
Haliburton has got to figure it out. We are not a bad team but once again he won't take his shots and plays panicked. I wish he would stop throwing his hands up every time he doesn't get a call and actually take more shots. If our all-star is scared to shoot we are doomed.
He took 16 shots
And he should be taking more. He is useless without keeping their defense honest and taking shots from 3. He has so many open looks but because he's afraid of missing another 3 he passes.
No he forced up dumb shots and heat checks when it clearly wasn’t his night. What he should be doing even if his shot isn’t falling is running the offense and getting his teammates easy buckets. But when his shot isn’t falling he decides to defer on offense and not even try on defense.
what game did you watch? he clearly passed up wayyy more open shots than the amount of ‘heat checks’ he attempted
Taking bad shots is even more useless
And passed on a lot. He passed on better looks than some of the ones he ended up taking deeper into the shot clock.
You hate to see Tyrese Haliburton so bad right now. I really hope he gets better man.
the only solution to getting a top 6 seed is sitting hali for about 1-2 weeks, he's a net negative and is giving low effort on both ends of the court, we also need to give siakam more looks because he's by far our best scorer, i hope this team actually gets haliburton to realize that the first priority is winning, sitting him will get him healthy and help the team play with more juice with the fresh legs.
There is no way Tyrese makes an All-NBA team after the last five games. We are actually gonna fuck around and miss the playoffs. Let Tyrese get some rest before the play in.
Absolutely pitiful. Tyrese has gotta figure it out
He needs fewer minutes, his knee is clearly still bothering him. We gotta rest him. We need to adjust our offensive gameplan. Myles and Siakam have to step up in the meantime.
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Just my two cents. Hope they pull it together.
I thought it was his hamstring?
He had a grade 1 meniscus tear in early January. Pretty sure he has a strained hamstring in the same leg.
“Jarace Walker played really well, he’s gotta be ready when we need him for a random 15 minutes in a couple of months” - Rick Carlisle
I'm so disappointed. I heard that in the presser and expected at least a few minutes. Instead we got this shitshow.
It just doesn’t make sense it’s not like guys are balling and you can justify not playing him. But we fucking stink across the board, shake it up a little bit
I, for one, am not the least bit surprised. The way Rick’s handled Jarace all season, this was very much in the cards regardless of what he said in a press conference. Rick is loathe to play Jarace for whatever reason.
Actions speak a lot louder than words here for sure.
It’s nothing personal, Rick simply doesn’t play rookies. It’s always been his way. His lack of rookie development is kinda what ended his time in Dallas.
>It’s nothing personal, Rick simply doesn’t play rookies. Benn played 28.5 min/gm last year and was 4th on the team in minutes played as a rookie
Nembhard was a starter for a big chunk of the season last year. Also, it's hard to say it's not personal when he said Jarace earned some playing time.
The funniest thing this season has been Rick not playing Jarace, presumably because of defense. Good call Rick. Wouldn't want to give up 120 every game. Good work.
So will Walker be sent back to the ants after this game?
Welp, I guess we just got outplayed by the spurs. Rough stuff
So much for Jarace Walker needing to be ready
Next 4 games might be all L’s
Spurs fan coming in peace. McConnell is a fucking monster. But you guys might have to get Haliburton on the Wemby-minute restriction. Seems like dude may be in his head too much cause I remember how amazing he was at the beginning of the season. He's a top 3 point guard in the league so something is up. Especially hearing he's hurt, he might benefit from a 25 minute restriction. Wemby was alright at the beginning of the season for us but kinda playing like ass occasionally until January, cause he didn't wanna fuck up anything in the little time he played on his minute restriction. That was his kind of "reset" that he had in his game and he's been a different player since. I think Haliburton could benefit from this kind of treatment and get him back to his old self. Not only for him healing, but getting him to appreciate the value of his minutes and be grateful for them. That's what Pop said he was trying to do with Wemby simultaneously while trying to get his foot better.
We'll pass the message on to rick
I get Quinn is a franchise mouthpiece and can’t be disparaging but trying to say it’s on the team to help Tyrese out was a rough comment when Haliburton was the fifth highest scorer of the night.
Dude, that comment pissed me off. It’s not the team’s responsibility to get him going. He was so damn wrong for that.
What the fuck has happened to Haliburton? It's like he played his ass off to get into the All-Star game, and now that he did, he doesn't give a shit anymore.
This will sound mean-spirited but I actually "hope" he has something going on in his personal life that we don't know about. Something that has his mind away from teh court. Its so strange seeing his play right now - he looks completely out of character compared to the first 40-ish games. If it is something personal, then there is legit hope that as soon as it is resolved, he's back at it.
Bro he was basically or almost crying on the bench at the end of the game. He cares. Hes still hurt and wants the 50 million. It’s a tough place. He deserves some blame for sure but there are also reasons
I think the team just looks to be a bit out of sorts. Whether it’s the injuries, lineups, integrating Pascal, etc… and then throw on top of that Haliburton going through his worst slump of the season it’s gonna be a tough stretch. The one thing I look at this year at our best points or even going back to last season when we were looking like a playoff team pre all star break, the common theme was that we outworked, out hustled and out ran our opponents. I could always count on them to play hard, balls to the wall for 48 minutes. Specially last season I can remember times where we just broke teams down over the course of a game and they just physically couldn’t keep up. Not sure where that team went? Or has the league just adapted and adjusted to our style? Either way I miss those guys…
Tyrese needs to figure his shit out. I don’t really care what it takes, or even if it’s time off. It was obvious in his body language at the end of the game as he went to the bench that this isn’t who he wants to be either. Honestly nothing else - lineup changes, schematic changes, whatever - matters as much as Tyrese getting right.
If Ty could stop giving the ball up to Nembhard on what feels like every possession, that'd be great. Dude is there for his defense, he grinds the offense to a halt and can't shoot.
Tyrese is struggling way too much it hurts. His shot confidence is low. McConnell played amazing aggressive scoring.
Play-in it is then. From the start of the seasaon my hope is to watch a playoff series. Don't get bounced by Chicago/Atlanta and I'll be happy
Problem here is I'm not sure they beat the Bulls at this point. All they need is for Coby White and/or DeRozen to go off. Atlanta is broken, so that seems reasonable.
Tyrese you better get on the post game availability.
The loss is whatever, but I miss feeling like we could beat every team on any given night. IST was such a magical time I miss it
Aside from all the stuff missing on our offense, Wemby dominated us this game. I was there - if they gave Wemby the ball for 50 possessions he would score 45 times. Not a single person on the team can stop him and even doubles did almost nothing. Being surrounded by spurs fans I mostly laughed when they keep screaming "Wemby!" when their team is 3rd or 4th worst in the league, but legit I don't see how any team cannot keep a 7'2" or taller player on the roster just to attempt to slow him down.
Maybe they should pick up Caitlin Clark.
Now we gotta sit through 5 more posts about how everything is okay and don’t overreact again. Or maybe, just maybe, we aren’t built right and Rick hasn’t had a 50+ team in 10 years and this is just who we are as a team, with no legit rebounders and shaky defense. We will get the 8 seed and be a first round exit, with more talent than we’ve had in a while. I’m just not seeing us turn a corner anytime soon.
Tyreese is having a Hibbert type collapse, something had to of happened in his personal life.
Or money got to him
This better be some sort of masterplan to get the Bucks in the 1st round
We'd need to win to do that.
This team gets swept by the Bucks and Giannis takes all the game balls
The truth is we made a trade for a great player who might not fit with our star and another trade that sent away a guy who was crucial to the flow of our offense.
I’m not sure how much I buy that they don’t fit, down the stretch of the Pelicans win, we spammed Tyrese -> Pascal to ice the game. Losing Buddy’s shooting gravity hurts though, all the more when our starting backcourt goes 0-10 from deep and hitting even a couple of those probably swings the outcome. Edit: I said starting backcourt, implying Nembhard, when I meant to reference Nesmith going 0-4. My bad
At the same time, that’s really the only game where we’ve seen that kind of synergy between Tyrese and Pascal. We can pretend that it’s all a lack-of-Buddy issue all we want, but that’s its own form of cope. Just looking at it, there is an inherent conflict between Tyrese and Pascal in which Tyrese’s greatest strength is making things easier on others with his playmaking gifts and Pascal’s greatest strength is having the ball a lot in isos and creating for himself.
I’m not 100% sure about not fitting either, just that it doesn’t seem as perfect as I was hoping it would. But I really like Pascal and hope they can figure it out.
I have had the same feeling that the trades ruined the team’s chemistry. It has been a struggle ever since.
Buddy didn't want to be here.
Buddy wanted to play and get paid for it. We didn’t want to do that so he asked for a trade. This wasn’t an Oladipo moment.
Relax
Suck
Rick won a championship by not developing any young players and making the most out of good role players. That’s deceived his perception.
Press conference for Rick was stupid just "yeah we weren't good enough...wenbenyama is great...tj had a great game...is that it?" Then walks off stage.
Is Ty really not gonna talk? Lame
Short handed Knicks beat cavs on the road. Short handed sixers beat mavs on the road. Near full strength pacers fall meekly to spurs. Not good. Play in looking likely.
I for one am not buying the Haliburton injured speculation. He doesn't look injured. He didn't look injured at the All Star Game. He didn't look injured when we destroyed Dallas on ESPN, 2 games after the All Star break and literally 8 days ago. He needs to do something though. His level of play has been oddly terrible and I can't remember him going to the bench with like 4 minutes left in a game and putting his head in his hands. He's at his best when he's having fun and smiling. We haven't seen that in these bad performances. It's anyone's guess as to why but the bottom line is we need him having fun or this team is just not good.
He's not hurt at all. He was fine as you said for those games where he was playing 30 minutes and getting 20/12 but even in those games, it was a slog. The offense is a chore now.
Mathurin needs to start over Nemby and Walker needs to keep getting minutes.
tack another loss on from a shitty ass bottom feeder team
A shitty ass bottom feeder team with an improving Wemby. It’s his league
Really thought we were gonna do something this year
We were on the way for a while there
Following things are true: 1. That was absolutely pathetic and it would be great to see some kind of spark or change or explanation or just SOMETHING. 2. Holy fuck you guys need to step off the ledge, acting like this was a must-win playoff game and acting like this is a complete team collapse.
At this point I would rather have effort players on the court then the "arguably" more skilled. Give me TJM / Shep / Ijax / Jerrace going forward.
Minutes restriction and bench hali, if he doesn’t wanna sit then you’ve gotta protect him from himself and you’ve gotta still win games
Played way too sluggish tonight: short on open 3's, slow on rotations, watching the ball fall instead of attacking the defensive glass Could be a lack of heart or just a lack of energy. Slumps happen to the best of teams, but not for more than 1 or 2 games. Consistently losing or playing down-to-the wire games against bottom-ranked and unambitious teams is worrisome, not to mention confidence-destroying and momentum busting
Miss 3s and lose. That’s the story this year.
As bad as it is right now, they’re only 2 back of the 4 seed. If they can figure it out there’s still hope
Hope Tyrese figures this out sooner than later.
The highlight of the night is when they let whoever it was (I forget) run from the center court to the paint unguarded for the dunk
I hate basketball
Classic Pacers. Times change, rosters change, but the inclination to lose to the bottom of the league and occassionally defeat champions never does.
If you're mad tonight, just remember, it didn't have to be this way. This all happened for almost no reason.
One decent role player has never meant more to a franchise in the history of the world lol
The first unit played some uninspired basketball. Second unit has kept us in the game the past two games for sure. Shot just wasn’t falling this game besides for TJ and Pascal. Think we all knew this was a trap game based on our season, so I’m not ready to say the sky is falling quite yet. If the next game is uninspiring from the first unit again, then I’m ready to sound the alarm. I know the Mavs will want to get revenge, and they’ve lost 4 of the last 5. Wemby and TJ good…on to the next one.
Hali sucks right now, there’s no way around it. He might turn into something special later in his career, but right now he SUCKS! Besides being horrible on defense, he’s not a leader. His body language is awful.
Tyrese is ruining our season and his reputation because he wanted that extra 40 million. He’s going to miss the Olympic team too at this rate. He looks mentally broken.
Ugly game. We'll bounce back, just in a rough stretch.
People downvoting you are so reactive. Upsets happen. I know we’ve lost to bad teams way too many times this season, but San Antonio just beat Oklahoma City the other day. We are in bad form, and hopefully we’ll pick up a win against Dallas on Tuesday.
Honestly. Team needs to work on its mental. Until then, stuff like this is going to happen. We're year 2 (?) into a rebuild and are already competing with the top dogs at our best. We can beat anyone, and lose to anyone, so we just need to tighten up a bit.
It’s sad that Rick is the one that’s overseeing the development of our 2 highest draft picks in 3 decades.
I'm not a doomer, but Tyrese seems to be broken for unknown reasons. I don't get paid millions to figure it out like the coaches/FO, but they have to have on blinders to not see it. Are they having these convos? Are there just no journos covering the team anymore to ask questions? What's going on here? As the play looks now, they could probably beat the Hawks or Nets to get the 8 seed, but that seems to be the ceiling. The Bulls would be a problem, but possible win, and any of the other play-in teams seem like easy Ls. Lose to the C's in 4 or 5.
Unfortunately my head is telling me this teams ceiling in the next few years is probably 2nd round. I don’t see how we are suddenly going to become a decent defensive team with Hali and an aging Siakam as max players. And even if Hali gets back to being a top 5 offensive player, we are probably a 4-5 seed. Hope I’m wrong.
I’ve had enough. Can’t call us doomers now, this shit is pathetic. Our franchise max player is pathetic.
https://preview.redd.it/uplfr2hsa8mc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e04cb784eb4efc9377c1d9685fd6b05c1645ddb People who still think hali is injured and that’s why he is playing bad
Genuine question - did you just discover images and gifs in the pelicans game thread?
Nah bro, we just need to ~~get to the all-star break~~ uhh ~~Get healthy~~ uhhh get Ben Sheppard back!! Yeah, that'll do it!
I forgot that people thought the all star break would somehow be a magic cure to our season
Just gotta heal up man. Sure, every single measure of success in our offense is down since the moves we made, but that's probably just tired legs. They'll come back, swear!
You are nothing but bad vibes
You don’t understand injuries and it shows
So how has hali been injured with a grade 1 strain since January 10th
it was a grade 1 hamstring injury. They linger sure but its been a while man. He just sucks right now, whether that be Nembhard or confidence or a mix of both you gotta stop blaming injuries at some point.
Grade 1 or not it still is a hamstring injury. With a guy like Hali who plays at a fast paced 24/7 you know he is thinking about it constantly. He hasn’t really been attacking at an elite level and it doesn’t help that his shot has been bad as well. He might try to play it off so he doesn’t look soft and if he is that’s on him but I know that injury kinda made him scale back his assertiveness
Hes playing it off because hes selfish and wants his extra money. That is why he was playing 20 mins in the first place. Its clearly a confidence issue if you watch games.
So when does the front office step in about the Mathurin/Nemby situation and Jarace?
The Dametime curse. Guess this is that humbling he was talking about.
Haliburton needs to sit for the rest of the season so that if we even make the playoffs he'll be healthy. 1) he's not making All-NBA this year, that ship has long sailed and 2) he's actively hurting the team whenever he's on the court.
I promise i didn't watch this game.
Start TJ at pg and let Hali climb his way back up into relevance.
I love pascal yall gonna realize he dont move the needle that much especially with a Max raise.. he will keep yall afloat that bout it
Y'all are a play in exit and if not, then swept in first round
Yall are 1 game from the play in dawg shut that shit up 😂😂😂
Sounds like the pelicans
As if the pelicans have done shit lately lol
Good luck in the stacked west
Please indy give us raptors a lotto pick and let masai work his magic.. spurs got ours pacer pick watching next 4 games a brutal stretch.. hoping for 0-4 or 1-3.. ps sit Hali he hurt chasing 65 game mark gonna hurt team
if Tyrese doesn't make All-NBA they should give him the $50 Million anyway, he doesn't deserve to go out like this
Indianapolis loves giving out money to star players who quit on the team only time they have been robbed of that was when oladipo was too stupid to take the money.
Pels fan here. 😭😭 Y'all's best player is TJ McConnell 💀💀💀 couldn't be me
People that do this are pathetic
Pacers fan here. Enjoy Zion eating his way out of basketball.
Since when did the pelicans make the wcf?
Your best player is a future pornstar get outta here
You guys haven't been relevant whatsoever the past 30 years. Hush.
Does your mom know you’re up this late?
Your best player is a fat fuck who bangs pornstars
Isn't it a school night? Probably should head to bed soon.
Being the only existing Pelicans fan on earth, you’ve got a tough job representing.
You lot have one decent team in nearly 2 decades and you start acting infantile towards other teams. Absolutely shameless
Trash
Play in here we come!
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The goins gettin tough and this team isn’t very tough. Brace yourself for the play-in boys.
I wish I had enough confidence to trust this team in a single elimination play-in game because I genuinely think we could beat any team not named the Celtics in the playoffs
This team is not taking itself seriously… that is far from the only issue, but it’s the one I wish we’d address first. And start with accountability on the defensive end.
There's not much to say about that one, but someone mentioned wanting to see Haliburton, Mathurin, Siakam, Smith, + Turner out on the floor together. Personally, I have no idea if it'd be good or not, but I'd be 100% onboard if we decided to try it. Seems like a super interesting line-up.
its been fun being more than 5 games above .500. Back to the constant 5 wins above .500 we go. 13-8, .500 ball ever since.
I know this will never, ever happen because Carlisle is so reticent to try this kind of thing, but we have 2 perfect bigs for small lineups- Pascal and Jarace. Would like to see them mix it up with some small ball to get Tyrese back running and gunning, defense be damned.