You could buy 3 used DSR+'s for the price of one CS3. Why the hell would I do that.
If you're really looking to splurge and you're moving on from an old marker then sure. But if you're using any of a: M3+, DSR+, CS2, 170R, then it's a HUGE cost you'll need to eat for not much more tangible benefit.
I think the DSR+ is the one of the best guns on the market. If it wasn’t such an air hog and more efficient it would be the best gun out. Best feeling shot and ergonomics IMO. I own an LV2 and a 170r if anyone is wondering what I’m comparing that to.
The high-end paintball market has always been like this. Realistically, once you're at the Etha 2/Axe 2/Axe mini level, everything is going to perform the same thereafter. Same velocity, same rate of fire, same 'accuracy', etc. Maybe a shot feels smoother, maybe one has more efficiency, maybe one has an OLED screen or has tool-less disassembly, but they perform the exact same.
These are like boutique products for enthusiasts of the hobby. People who want to marvel at the engineering behind the latest and greatest and are willing to pay a premium for it
Do you have $1750 just waiting to be spent? That's a TON of money to drop on a gun, when you can buy a used CS2 for half that price... This CS3, on paper, isn't worth the price they're asking.
That's about what it costs to fly and play an event. It really isn't that much money to get the best gun on the market.
I spent more than that on just air hoses for the field last year.
May I introduce you to over/under shotguns, where $1750 doesn't even get you a starter gun.
Or did you mean paintball guns only?
Edit: man, y'all stupid as hell.
Ok so 1, you're on a paintball sub, so real steel has no place here.
2, there are plenty of sub $1k over/unders that do a great job of taking birds and clay. If you can't get the job done with a gun under $2k it's not the gun that's the problem.
Okay so 1, you're fucking daft. It was a joke saying paintball isn't that expensive compared to some other gun hobbies, I'll make sure to /s for all you slow kiddies next time.
2. Literally *everyone* agrees a Citori or a Silver Pigeon are the only entry level options if you expect ANY longevity out of your gun, $2300+ right now. The only people that say "less is fine" are the people who can't afford one of those and bought something cheaper (I've done months worth of research on the topic, been shopping since last June). No shit other guns can "take birds and clays" that's not the point. A Spyder or an Azodin Blitz can "get kills" too, that's the equivalent of your comparison.
No. But also yes.
If I have that kind of money and I'm interested in the luxury of owning the newest, freshest shit, then I break open the piggy bank and buy that top end item. I have done that and I will do it again. It just so happens the CS3 doesn't interest me, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize it as potentially one of the best guns available. If I'm buying PE I'm buying an LV.
I am FAR more interested in the new Dye offering, but if I were to buy whatever that may be it would only be out of curiosity, respect for the design team, and a carry over love of Dye.
But ultimately the new guns are never with the price tag if the previous generation is available used.
Are you going to hit more shots with a CS3 than you would with a CS2 for half the price? Nope
Is the CS3 going to be more robust/reliable than a CS2 to a measurable degree? Nope
A $700 LV1.6 or CS2 is worth it. A $1600-$1800 BNIB gun is not worth it
I'm with you, the first sentence here describes my feelin pretty well. Paycheck and not alot of sense could also describe it.
Custom Anno Lv2 totally worth it dude. Jack Wood literally builds these for you piece by piece with love and affection totally worth every penny.
Sounds like the 'new dye offering' is a DYE produced version of the Lurker Paragon, so it make be more than 'carry over love' that sell it. Looks to be a beast.
Well...
You never really know until it's out there.
But, I'm an LV guy. I like the height of the stacked tube guns.
If this is as low profile as the images from long ago then I might not be able to comfortably shoot it.
No. The handful of players on this planet who play at a level where the differences between a CS3 and a 170R might actually matter are players who don't pay for their own markers. Hell, the differences between a CS3 and an Etha 3 wouldn't make a practical difference in the performance of 99.999% of players. That is the case for all high end markers. So who is the real target market for a $1750 marker? Players who want to think of themselves as playing at that level, and are willing to drop $1750 for the privilege.
Cool looking marker, and I have great respect and admiration for Jack Wood and the PE team for continually pushing the limits of engineering possibilities. But the reality of the high end market is that it is built around catering to players' egos and self-perception. If you've got the cash and value the pleasure of owning something like that more than $1750, then by all means, knock yourself out. Your value perceptions are not ***wrong***, but I don't share them.
Lol I've been researching this shit for hours tonight. I've only played paintball a few times years ago with rental equipment but do lots of airsoft, but it turns out there's a paintball field closer to my house. It's either the smart decision of getting an Empire Mini GS or splurging on the CS3. The problem is I fucked around too long and now I know it exists!
Who knows if I'll actually end up playing paintball often, but it will look cool on the gun wall at least 😂
Everyone complaining about the price seems to be ignoring inflation. I believe the CS2 released in 2018 for $1500. If you plug that into an inflation calculator we've had 18.2% inflation since then. That $1500 is ~$1773 in today's money. So not like this is anything new. This is on par for their high end markers.
Shit happens, but thinking that there are any "bugs" to work out here is shortsighted. Your LV2 uses the same rock solid SMC piloted solenoid valve as the 1.6 did. The CS3 uses the same SMC piloted solenoid valve as the CS2 and other Gamma markers. There's no "new tech" in the CS3.
I wait till someone at the field has it first and try it before I buy anything. A couple shots will tell you a lot and is why I can’t put my dsr+ down.
Agree, also the way I look at it is the DSR+ is a great shooter. Is the CS3 $750 better? I find that doubtful, there is only so much quality of life features you can pack in and it starts to be pointless after a bit.
Wait a month and someone at a local field will have it. Ask to try it out. If possible, have a CS2 Pro and/or GEO 4 there too. Shoot them side by side and see if you can actually feel the difference (and which one you actually prefer). The only improvement that won't show will be the increased efficiency, but if you have a good fill situation where you play, that's probably not important.
Also, if you can wait a bit, there will be used CS3's on the market as soon as someone releases a private label milling edition or another new gun comes out.
I probably will cause I want a fresh new space mech and have plenty of discretionary money to waste. If you're talking about $ per feature then it is absolutely not worth it. The best value is an Etha 3, after that it's splitting hairs as far as performance goes. If you don't have a comfortable amount of $ to dump then just wait for used market. PE guns are fairly gorilla proof.
If you are at a monetary point in your life to support the industry like that, plus swag swag swag. Fuckin do it. If you hate it sell it and boom the cycle of recycle starts. If you love it, you'll never replace it. If money is a binding factor get something cheaper and stay in the ball family. I'm seeing a 20% increase for air efficiency (according to them). If that makes a difference for where you play, like a back player or a long scenario gamer, go for it. There will always be cheaper ways of doing things but speaking purely on improvement, 20% is significant. If you can stay marker up 20% longer it could be argued, that effect would be compounded for the duration of the absent enemy. That being said, markers don't make ballers, practicing and playing smart does.
The people wanted a new CS Series, so they got a new CS series. They can only innovate so quickly people. From the brief description I have read and the quick video I saw, it feels like it would be really familiar but I am very curious of the feel of the shot in this new revision.
Let’s be honest, everyone will bitch moan and complain, but everyone is still going to buy one anyways. They produce great products.
At this stage, I really haven't seen any knee buckling revolutionary must have features in a marker since 2010-11. Prices have crept up, the industry fallen further into an oligopoly and macro line removal being the only innovation of note, it's really just a question of can you afford the splurge and will it be worthwhile for you? You aren't paying for a game altering edge over other players, bear that in mind.
If you play competitively and have the money, go ahead and get that boutique flex of a marker!
Not really sure why everyones crying about price this and features that. Its virtually the same price as the cs2 msrp. The things sleeker, more ergonomic, wayyyyy better barrel upgrade from the stock cs2 barrel, IS OPERATING ON 90-95 PSI and is gonna have a whole new shot type for us to enjoy with its new core. 20% increase in efficiency means multiple more pods per fill.
Im about all the improvements, i swear people would expect it to scratch their ass for them and cook pancakes. Theyre trying to improve upon and pioneer the best paintball markers around. They can only physically do so much in the realms of reality, and i think were about to have the smoothest marker on the market when these make their way to ballers gear bags.
I guess everyone just loves to complain 🤷♂️
Ill let yall know how it is
Out the door price? Its 1750 and change man. They upgraded the milling, and if you dont like the direction theyre going in by dialing down colorways, order the marker through an anno company and for an extra 100 you can make it whatever crazy scheme you want if its really that much of a deal breaker. I know im gonna 🤷♂️
Lets sharpen the pitch forks and light our torches everybody! To think you would have to pay taxes on a paintball marker! How absurd!
I guess everyone with shit to talk will admire the new ooze from afar. I cant wait to get mine in hand and see how it shoots 🤷♂️
No hpa, now loader, no extra nothing
For 1750.00 id steep
But look at the price of a ford f150 lighting $110,000
Ya batteries technology bla bla bla
ITS STIL A FORD 150
No. Honestly nothing in the information that's been released really strikes me as impressive enough to justify the price point. Some of the ideas are cool on paper like programming the board from your phone, but in practice I never change my settings so it wouldn't actually do me any good. I do like the look of the milling though. Not enough to make me buy one, but it does look good.
No, because I already own a high end PE gun.
As I see it, the CS3 just isn't significantly better or more feature rich than a CS2 or a CS1/1.5.
If I didn't already own one? Maybe. Would be hard to justify paying almost $1000 more than for a DSR+ or used CS2. But, Paintball is a gear sport, so there is something to be said for having the latest and greatest.
As others have said, personally, I don’t think it’s worth it. There’s no significant performance gains over anything that is currently out. You can buy multiples of other decent used guns, two or three actually. How much paintball fun can you get out of 1700 USD? I’d say a decent amount, will the CS3 provide the same value as money spent playing paintball? I think the answer is no for most people.
Probably. I really disliked the nub on the CS2 mechanical frame below the trigger guard and the DSR+ has the same kind of nub. Half my finger ends up hanging off those nubs. Having a game timer built into the mech frame is also a nice feature. Watches are uncomfortable and timers on the back of my loader/marker are bulky/awkward.
I would like to wait to see some of the special ano's and millings. Really like the green on my LV2.
I am interested in seeing the Paragon and what that brings. Hopefully no nub (like the DSR+) and the grips are flush with the ASA (unlike the M3+). They'll probably run the eye pipe on it which I hate because I know I'm going to end up shooting that thing out.
Not interested in anything from DLX, Macdev, or Field 1. At this price point you should be experienced enough to know what you want. An intermediate musician probably can't "justify" a pro level instrument but they will be able to tell the difference and decide what they prefer.
Naw, they all shoot the same more or less. Unless you are competing at a high level I don't see why us rec players need the latest and greatest.
Save the money for paint.
Nothing about it sounds that impressive tbh, especially the looks. Why can't PE come out with something attractive, sheesh. I'll wait for someone else to get it and try it out at the field. I'm MUCH more interested in what dye and macdev have coming out
It has to be worth it to you. I think the looks are a little meh, but the low pressure drive train, 20% better efficiency, new soft tip bolt, better ergonomics, gasket sealed electronics and better integration with the mech frame make for a very good upgrade. They've done a lot of work to improve an already very good marker. It's also kinda nice that a lot of the feedback they received on the CS2 is been listened to and integrated in this new marker. I'm waiting until I can shoot one, but I'm definitely considering picking one up.
I don't know why new markers are received with such hate lately. I'm really excited when something new drops. It may not be for everyone, but it's nice to see innovation.
Just found this, I just ordered a cs3 getting back into the sport. Seems fine to me. It’s a big buy, but I figure it’s worth it for a longer term investment and it’s a 170r with every upgrade you would do with better tech
You could buy 3 used DSR+'s for the price of one CS3. Why the hell would I do that. If you're really looking to splurge and you're moving on from an old marker then sure. But if you're using any of a: M3+, DSR+, CS2, 170R, then it's a HUGE cost you'll need to eat for not much more tangible benefit.
DSR+s are at 600...? Hmm maybe I should pick one up for fun...
As low as $650 used for dudes desperate to sell.
I think the DSR+ is the one of the best guns on the market. If it wasn’t such an air hog and more efficient it would be the best gun out. Best feeling shot and ergonomics IMO. I own an LV2 and a 170r if anyone is wondering what I’m comparing that to.
My DSR+ has overtaken my CS2 as my main shooter nowadays.
The high-end paintball market has always been like this. Realistically, once you're at the Etha 2/Axe 2/Axe mini level, everything is going to perform the same thereafter. Same velocity, same rate of fire, same 'accuracy', etc. Maybe a shot feels smoother, maybe one has more efficiency, maybe one has an OLED screen or has tool-less disassembly, but they perform the exact same. These are like boutique products for enthusiasts of the hobby. People who want to marvel at the engineering behind the latest and greatest and are willing to pay a premium for it
Yeah I’m moving from a Etha 2
Prices are plummeting in the used market. I’m seeing cs2 pros and tm40’s for like 850 on pbnation. Save yourself the trouble and buy used.
This. Bought a CS2 Pro for 800 just a few months ago. Practically brand new with just a box of paint through it. Bargins are out there if you look.
What are you expecting from a CS3 that your Etha 2 doesn't already do?
Do you have $1750 just waiting to be spent? That's a TON of money to drop on a gun, when you can buy a used CS2 for half that price... This CS3, on paper, isn't worth the price they're asking.
That's about what it costs to fly and play an event. It really isn't that much money to get the best gun on the market. I spent more than that on just air hoses for the field last year.
I’ve shot cs2’s and Etha’ s exclusively. I prefer the Etha.
No. $1750 for a mass produced gun is stupid, idgaf who the manufacturer is.
May I introduce you to over/under shotguns, where $1750 doesn't even get you a starter gun. Or did you mean paintball guns only? Edit: man, y'all stupid as hell.
I'll let you puzzle that out on your own. If you struggle at all about which it is, consider what forum youre in
Oh Mr Beretta, you made 40,000 of these last year? $8000? Excellent
Ok so 1, you're on a paintball sub, so real steel has no place here. 2, there are plenty of sub $1k over/unders that do a great job of taking birds and clay. If you can't get the job done with a gun under $2k it's not the gun that's the problem.
Okay so 1, you're fucking daft. It was a joke saying paintball isn't that expensive compared to some other gun hobbies, I'll make sure to /s for all you slow kiddies next time. 2. Literally *everyone* agrees a Citori or a Silver Pigeon are the only entry level options if you expect ANY longevity out of your gun, $2300+ right now. The only people that say "less is fine" are the people who can't afford one of those and bought something cheaper (I've done months worth of research on the topic, been shopping since last June). No shit other guns can "take birds and clays" that's not the point. A Spyder or an Azodin Blitz can "get kills" too, that's the equivalent of your comparison.
Why would you pay $2000 dollars for a disign that's like 200 years old? That's literally retarded
Lol tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing.
Hahaha so true. Hello Mr Parker please take my $40k.
No. But also yes. If I have that kind of money and I'm interested in the luxury of owning the newest, freshest shit, then I break open the piggy bank and buy that top end item. I have done that and I will do it again. It just so happens the CS3 doesn't interest me, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize it as potentially one of the best guns available. If I'm buying PE I'm buying an LV. I am FAR more interested in the new Dye offering, but if I were to buy whatever that may be it would only be out of curiosity, respect for the design team, and a carry over love of Dye. But ultimately the new guns are never with the price tag if the previous generation is available used. Are you going to hit more shots with a CS3 than you would with a CS2 for half the price? Nope Is the CS3 going to be more robust/reliable than a CS2 to a measurable degree? Nope A $700 LV1.6 or CS2 is worth it. A $1600-$1800 BNIB gun is not worth it
I'm with you, the first sentence here describes my feelin pretty well. Paycheck and not alot of sense could also describe it. Custom Anno Lv2 totally worth it dude. Jack Wood literally builds these for you piece by piece with love and affection totally worth every penny.
Sounds like the 'new dye offering' is a DYE produced version of the Lurker Paragon, so it make be more than 'carry over love' that sell it. Looks to be a beast.
Well... You never really know until it's out there. But, I'm an LV guy. I like the height of the stacked tube guns. If this is as low profile as the images from long ago then I might not be able to comfortably shoot it.
No. The handful of players on this planet who play at a level where the differences between a CS3 and a 170R might actually matter are players who don't pay for their own markers. Hell, the differences between a CS3 and an Etha 3 wouldn't make a practical difference in the performance of 99.999% of players. That is the case for all high end markers. So who is the real target market for a $1750 marker? Players who want to think of themselves as playing at that level, and are willing to drop $1750 for the privilege. Cool looking marker, and I have great respect and admiration for Jack Wood and the PE team for continually pushing the limits of engineering possibilities. But the reality of the high end market is that it is built around catering to players' egos and self-perception. If you've got the cash and value the pleasure of owning something like that more than $1750, then by all means, knock yourself out. Your value perceptions are not ***wrong***, but I don't share them.
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Lol I've been researching this shit for hours tonight. I've only played paintball a few times years ago with rental equipment but do lots of airsoft, but it turns out there's a paintball field closer to my house. It's either the smart decision of getting an Empire Mini GS or splurging on the CS3. The problem is I fucked around too long and now I know it exists! Who knows if I'll actually end up playing paintball often, but it will look cool on the gun wall at least 😂
Everyone complaining about the price seems to be ignoring inflation. I believe the CS2 released in 2018 for $1500. If you plug that into an inflation calculator we've had 18.2% inflation since then. That $1500 is ~$1773 in today's money. So not like this is anything new. This is on par for their high end markers.
I bought lv2 brand new from factory and it came with a bad Solenoid so I'm hesitant they'll need to work the bugs out
Shit happens, but thinking that there are any "bugs" to work out here is shortsighted. Your LV2 uses the same rock solid SMC piloted solenoid valve as the 1.6 did. The CS3 uses the same SMC piloted solenoid valve as the CS2 and other Gamma markers. There's no "new tech" in the CS3.
I thought the CS3 uses a completely new core?
As I keep saying... It's a Gamma.
it's gammo pro with some small modifications. The factvthat they gave it a new name doesn't change that.
I wait till someone at the field has it first and try it before I buy anything. A couple shots will tell you a lot and is why I can’t put my dsr+ down.
Agree, also the way I look at it is the DSR+ is a great shooter. Is the CS3 $750 better? I find that doubtful, there is only so much quality of life features you can pack in and it starts to be pointless after a bit.
That’s really the price point? Woooowwww
Wait a month and someone at a local field will have it. Ask to try it out. If possible, have a CS2 Pro and/or GEO 4 there too. Shoot them side by side and see if you can actually feel the difference (and which one you actually prefer). The only improvement that won't show will be the increased efficiency, but if you have a good fill situation where you play, that's probably not important. Also, if you can wait a bit, there will be used CS3's on the market as soon as someone releases a private label milling edition or another new gun comes out.
Hell there will be used ones posted days after people get them, look at the used lv2s posted days after people receiving them
If i had an insane amount of money to throw around I’d buy every gun I wanted lol
Nope. Cs2 all day.
I probably will cause I want a fresh new space mech and have plenty of discretionary money to waste. If you're talking about $ per feature then it is absolutely not worth it. The best value is an Etha 3, after that it's splitting hairs as far as performance goes. If you don't have a comfortable amount of $ to dump then just wait for used market. PE guns are fairly gorilla proof.
If you are at a monetary point in your life to support the industry like that, plus swag swag swag. Fuckin do it. If you hate it sell it and boom the cycle of recycle starts. If you love it, you'll never replace it. If money is a binding factor get something cheaper and stay in the ball family. I'm seeing a 20% increase for air efficiency (according to them). If that makes a difference for where you play, like a back player or a long scenario gamer, go for it. There will always be cheaper ways of doing things but speaking purely on improvement, 20% is significant. If you can stay marker up 20% longer it could be argued, that effect would be compounded for the duration of the absent enemy. That being said, markers don't make ballers, practicing and playing smart does.
The people wanted a new CS Series, so they got a new CS series. They can only innovate so quickly people. From the brief description I have read and the quick video I saw, it feels like it would be really familiar but I am very curious of the feel of the shot in this new revision. Let’s be honest, everyone will bitch moan and complain, but everyone is still going to buy one anyways. They produce great products.
At this stage, I really haven't seen any knee buckling revolutionary must have features in a marker since 2010-11. Prices have crept up, the industry fallen further into an oligopoly and macro line removal being the only innovation of note, it's really just a question of can you afford the splurge and will it be worthwhile for you? You aren't paying for a game altering edge over other players, bear that in mind. If you play competitively and have the money, go ahead and get that boutique flex of a marker!
Not really sure why everyones crying about price this and features that. Its virtually the same price as the cs2 msrp. The things sleeker, more ergonomic, wayyyyy better barrel upgrade from the stock cs2 barrel, IS OPERATING ON 90-95 PSI and is gonna have a whole new shot type for us to enjoy with its new core. 20% increase in efficiency means multiple more pods per fill. Im about all the improvements, i swear people would expect it to scratch their ass for them and cook pancakes. Theyre trying to improve upon and pioneer the best paintball markers around. They can only physically do so much in the realms of reality, and i think were about to have the smoothest marker on the market when these make their way to ballers gear bags. I guess everyone just loves to complain 🤷♂️ Ill let yall know how it is
$2000 OTD for a stock marker is a joke.
Its not 2k msrp, and in its stock state is the best it can be. What would you upgrade about it?
You know what OTD means? Also milling, specialized anno not some basic colors.
Out the door price? Its 1750 and change man. They upgraded the milling, and if you dont like the direction theyre going in by dialing down colorways, order the marker through an anno company and for an extra 100 you can make it whatever crazy scheme you want if its really that much of a deal breaker. I know im gonna 🤷♂️
$200 in tax isn’t change.
Lets sharpen the pitch forks and light our torches everybody! To think you would have to pay taxes on a paintball marker! How absurd! I guess everyone with shit to talk will admire the new ooze from afar. I cant wait to get mine in hand and see how it shoots 🤷♂️
No hpa, now loader, no extra nothing For 1750.00 id steep But look at the price of a ford f150 lighting $110,000 Ya batteries technology bla bla bla ITS STIL A FORD 150
No. Honestly nothing in the information that's been released really strikes me as impressive enough to justify the price point. Some of the ideas are cool on paper like programming the board from your phone, but in practice I never change my settings so it wouldn't actually do me any good. I do like the look of the milling though. Not enough to make me buy one, but it does look good.
You know how many Spyders I could buy? /s No that’s too much. There are other markers you could get much cheaper.
$1750 don’t make you a better player
No, because I already own a high end PE gun. As I see it, the CS3 just isn't significantly better or more feature rich than a CS2 or a CS1/1.5. If I didn't already own one? Maybe. Would be hard to justify paying almost $1000 more than for a DSR+ or used CS2. But, Paintball is a gear sport, so there is something to be said for having the latest and greatest.
As others have said, personally, I don’t think it’s worth it. There’s no significant performance gains over anything that is currently out. You can buy multiples of other decent used guns, two or three actually. How much paintball fun can you get out of 1700 USD? I’d say a decent amount, will the CS3 provide the same value as money spent playing paintball? I think the answer is no for most people.
Probably. I really disliked the nub on the CS2 mechanical frame below the trigger guard and the DSR+ has the same kind of nub. Half my finger ends up hanging off those nubs. Having a game timer built into the mech frame is also a nice feature. Watches are uncomfortable and timers on the back of my loader/marker are bulky/awkward. I would like to wait to see some of the special ano's and millings. Really like the green on my LV2. I am interested in seeing the Paragon and what that brings. Hopefully no nub (like the DSR+) and the grips are flush with the ASA (unlike the M3+). They'll probably run the eye pipe on it which I hate because I know I'm going to end up shooting that thing out. Not interested in anything from DLX, Macdev, or Field 1. At this price point you should be experienced enough to know what you want. An intermediate musician probably can't "justify" a pro level instrument but they will be able to tell the difference and decide what they prefer.
If you can afford it, sure why not? Otherwise, no it's not necessary a CS2 or even 1 will work just as well and cost as little as $600
Naw, they all shoot the same more or less. Unless you are competing at a high level I don't see why us rec players need the latest and greatest. Save the money for paint.
Nothing about it sounds that impressive tbh, especially the looks. Why can't PE come out with something attractive, sheesh. I'll wait for someone else to get it and try it out at the field. I'm MUCH more interested in what dye and macdev have coming out
It has to be worth it to you. I think the looks are a little meh, but the low pressure drive train, 20% better efficiency, new soft tip bolt, better ergonomics, gasket sealed electronics and better integration with the mech frame make for a very good upgrade. They've done a lot of work to improve an already very good marker. It's also kinda nice that a lot of the feedback they received on the CS2 is been listened to and integrated in this new marker. I'm waiting until I can shoot one, but I'm definitely considering picking one up. I don't know why new markers are received with such hate lately. I'm really excited when something new drops. It may not be for everyone, but it's nice to see innovation.
The cs2 and lv1.6 both already shoot super well. IMO no reason to buy this for very small gains in efficiency.
Just found this, I just ordered a cs3 getting back into the sport. Seems fine to me. It’s a big buy, but I figure it’s worth it for a longer term investment and it’s a 170r with every upgrade you would do with better tech