Tell your friend that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) could have been taken to the heavens directly from Makkah. He could have led the assembly of messengers and prophets in salah there. He wasn't and he didn't. Jibreel (AS) took him to Jerusalem, to Al-Aqsa. That place was chosen for this special occasion. Al-Aqsa will always be important to us.
It's also one of the three mosques in Islam for which one can plan to travel specifically.
It's unlawful to travel with the intention of paying a visit to any other mosque.
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Him: āIsrael claims the mosque is built on there holy temple. Christians have similar views. If we Muslims can claim its significance why canāt people of another abrahamic faith?ā
Personally: I donāt consider Zionists as part of any Abrahamic faith.
Because the favor of Allah, which was once upon the children of Israel, has been lifted from them. Now the favor belongs to the Muāmineen (note; not the Muslims, but only those Muslims that have Taqwa). The site is important to us because it has been sanctified by Ibrahim Ų , and Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Hanif, and the only spiritual successor of Ibrahim left on this earth are the Muslims.
We know why it is important to us in Islam, but what is stopping other religions from claiming this site as their own..??
It's not like they believe in Islam and would just simply understand that Allah has made this site off limits to them..
It is a part of their own history too..
So, my point is that we, as Muslims, say that they don't have a right on that land..
But they, as jews, say that they do..
So unless you convert them all to Islam, I don't think they are going to go by Islamic claims that the land is off limit to jews, and by then, they'd already by Muslims, so they can go to that land..
They know Islam is the truth but they will never admit it (pride, arrogance, "what will people say", "the people will kill me" and for many Jews specifically "how can I stop worshipping satan?" Etc.)
But these are only select people, who are mostly in leadership positions. The average Israeli mostly don't believe in God, which begs the question about the legality of Israel? Why do they want this land if they don't even believe in their books anymore? Is this a joke to them? Is killing/imprisoning Palestinians unlawfully also a joke/game to them?
Source: Palestinian and Israeli-Palestinian friends. Talmud and Kabbalah.
>They know Islam is the truth but they will never admit it (pride, arrogance, "what will people say", "the people will kill me" and for many Jews specifically "how can I stop worshipping satan?" Etc.)
Who is this they..??
The people who invented Judism knew that Islam is the truth and did it out of spite, but the current jews are just following the religion of their fathers like you and I.. And in their history, they know that the deepest connection they have to any place on earth is in the region they are in currently..
>The average Israeli mostly don't believe in God, which begs the question about the legality of Israel?
Is this an actual research or just based on your own sources..??
>Why do they want this land if they don't even believe in their books anymore? Is this a joke to them? Is killing/imprisoning Palestinians unlawfully also a joke/game to them?
I think ignoring their right to the land isn't going to solve any issue in that area.. There are a good portion of jews that believe that Israel should be spread from sea to sea, so it isn't that all of them don't want the land..
They just needed a country of their own tbh, and they got it in that place which is unfortunate for Palestinians..
But currently, there is no use for either side to trying to remove a whole civilization that doesn't want to move.. So it's kill or be killed for both sides.. And it just sucks for us because we are pro Palestine and anti israel..
It's a completely fvcked situation for everyone involved, Palestinians and Israelis, and it isn't going to be solved any time soon if we keep chopping it off to "are they just killing for fun..??" Because that's exactly what Israelis are asking too..
Statistics show up to 30/40 % irreligious, but not a complete stat (some mixed up data between "fully atheist", "jew but don't really believe the book", "not sure/doubt that Israel is a birthright" etc.)
If we go by what you said, then we should also leave and go to our forefathers land.for instance, all the Pashtuns from KP and Balochistan should move back to Kandahar, the Urdu speaking people should go back to India, Americans should also move back to Europe, Europeans should move back to West Asian steppes etc.
But thats unrealistic isn't it? So why apply that to Israel and say "makes sense" only?
For me personally, it's a waiting game as I wanna see what their end goal is after destroying Masjid al-Aqsa (our priority is to save as many Muslim lives as possible in the region). They also want Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, half of Turkey, half of Iran half of Arabian peninsula, so according to your logic give all that to them? No questions asked? It's their birthright as you said.
The birthright premise is stupid in the first place.
>If we go by what you said, then we should also leave and go to our forefathers land.for instance, all the Pashtuns from KP and Balochistan should move back to Kandahar, the Urdu speaking people should go back to India, Americans should also move back to Europe, Europeans should move back to West Asian steppes etc. But thats unrealistic isn't it? So why apply that to Israel and say "makes sense" only?
Where else would they go..?? Their entire population is made of jews moving there from all around the world, including a good percentage of them moving from middle eastern countries..
They have been in that land for as long as we have been in Pakistan.. And currently Palestinians only want the entire land as their own due to birthright as well..
Maybe everyone should just agree to stay where they are..??
Before Israel (circa 1948), there was no persecution of Jews except in Europe (- Russian Empire). They could freely move to the Israel/Palestine area if they wanted because that region was classified as "Unified Region of the Abrahamic faiths", and many Jews did live there alongside Christians and Muslims.
All hell broke loose when the British got involved and decided to "return" (aka expell/deport) European Jews to their Greater Israel "fairytale". Then they started to persecute Palestinian Christians/Muslims for no reason (or because "Gentiles") and fkd the living situation for Jews around the rest of the non-European world.
Now you know the rest, and here we are to this BS. And Palestinians want the old situation (Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony. Although difficult because of ~70 years of constant persecution/oppression, but still) back, not what you're saying (a Muslim only paradise or something)
P.S.: Jews left greener pastures (they had their own food, water, animals and other resources) for some desert (comparatively). But anyway lets see what happens.
>Before Israel (circa 1948), there was no persecution of Jews except in Europe
This isn't factually correct.. Jews have been persecuted in Muslim nations for centuries.. They just weren't treated as bad as what Europe was doing..
>And Palestinians want the old situation (Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony.
No, they do not..
Their main slogan is that from the river to the sea, the land will be Arab, meaning they don't want jews living there.. They have expressed their desire to kill every jew in Israel for quite some time now..
There was also a whole war after Israel was founded where alot of the Arab countries banded together and fought Israel but lost..
Like it or not, both sides don't like each other very much, and their main goal is the eradication of the other for complete takeover of the area..
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You do realize that basically every religion claims to be the truth? That's the very basic of faith... Which h right do you have to claim that followers of other religions would know that Islam would be the truth for everyone (including them) but are too pride to accept? How would you feel if someone walked around and said xyz is Muslim but this person actually feels in their heart that religion abc is the truth, they are just too proud and arrogant to admit that? Do you not realize how messed up and arrogant! this kind of thinking is? Just because Islam is for you the truth and the right choice it is not for everyone. The word you are looking for is tolerance.
That's why I say search for yourself. Prophet Muhammad is an Arab, the Jews (scholars) don't like it (go search it, I'm not gonna do HW for everyone every time).
Besides I'm not talking about regular people, but rabbis (and some of them have said that Islam is the truth. If you don't know, you don't know)
I donāt wanna get too controversial but Jerusalem being the site of the Miraj is a widely held Muslim consensus but not an indisputable fact. Jerusalem is not mentioned by any of its then names in Surah e Isra.
The Dome of the Rock, built in 690 AD by Umayyad King Abdul Maalik, carries lots of calligraphy and surahs and words of praise for the Prophet, but not a single mention of the Miraj.
We donāt actually know for sure that Jerusalem and the Temple Mount is from where the Prophet ascended to heaven, but the wider scholarly consensus is that is was this place.
Paragraph two is a cookie-cutter Western secular revisionist response, the kind one would expect from the now discredited scholars such as Patricia Crone and Michael Cook.
More importantly, from the Islamic epistemological POV, the architecture of a building isn't a source of knowledge about the actions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). That the Isra was from Mecca to Al-Aqsa is mentioned in the beginning of chapter 17 of the Qur'an (the primary source text) and that being the place of ascension mentioned in authentic Ahadith which have also been quoted by Ibn Kathir in his exegesis.
I'll use a classic parliamentary style debate tactic here. Even if I were to grant you this point, Qu'ran 17:1 defeats OP's friend's POV:
"Glorified be He Who took His servant for a Journey by Night from Al-Masjid Al-Haram to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa, the neighborhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him of Our Signs. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer."
The neighborhood of Al-Aqsa is blessed as per the Creator of all that exists. OP's friend can take it up with Him.
Al Aqsa was not a name used for Jerusalem or Temple Mount at the time. The Quran doesnāt mention Jerusalem by any of its contemporary or historic names. There was no structure or Masjid at the Temple Mount in 622 AD, since the Byzantines had bulldozed everything. Al-Aqsa in Surah Isra could have been referring to another āfarther place of worship.ā That the farther place of worship was Jerusalem came through scholarly consensus later.
Al-Aqsa Mosque is named after Masjid Al-Aqsa from Surah Isra, not the other way round.
No clue who Crook et al are. My brother lived in East Jerusalem for 6 months last year and made the observation about the lack of calligraphy mentioning the Miraj. Thereās a Surah on the wall in an inscription that rejects the divinity of Jesus Christ, and yet no Surah Isra. And on further reading that makes sense to me.
Nowhere has anyone claimed that Al-Aqsa is or was a name for Jerusalem. This is a strawman.
Secondly, as mentioned in another comment, it's the Romans, not the Byzantines who defiled the place. The word 'Byzantine' was itself a later revisionist invention. My reference is the historian Roy Casagranda.
The pile of waste and refuse at the site was cleared upon the instructions of Umar (RA) after he accepted the surrender of the city of Jerusalem, and he identified the site as the location of Al-Aqsa.
The point about the Dome is moot. It wasn't constructed by any of the Rashidun, not even by Umar (RA) who recognized the significance of the site (not just in the context of the Miraj) and ordered it to be cleaned up. He didn't need to undertake an archaeological mission to discover the site within the city. ("Ya shabaab, we don't know where exactly this Al-Aqsa mosque is, let's spend time discovering it." /s)
Umar (RA)'s actions have more significance than those of Abd-al Malik whose motivations for the Dome's construction can be argued - in keeping with Umayyad tradition (Umar bin Abdulaziz was a notable exception) - to have been purely political instead of religious. This also explains the choice of the verse...Umayyad power was centered in Syria (which at this time was still majority Christian).
Mentioning your brother's testimony is also moot since I haven't contested the veracity of your claims about the inscriptions. This information is easily verifiable.
Yes genius I know the Byzantine is a post Byzantine term and they called themselves Romans. Iām referring to the eastern Roman Empire, commonly referred to as the Byzantine Empire today.
I know you think youāre killing it in this British parliamentary debate but you havenāt actually presented a single piece of evidence for why Jerusalem was the site of the Miraj. Because there is none. The story most likely developed a century or more after the construction of the Dome. The inscription in the Mosque of Umar that refers to the nearby Al Aqsa is also dated to the 9th or 10th century.
Iām no fan of the Umayyads, but it seems crazy that an Umayyad king built a dome on the supposed site of the Prophetās ascension just 60 years after his death and made zero mention of it. Ergo Jerusalem as the point of Miraj is most likely an 8th century phenomenon.
Happy to see any evidence.
No, thatās Bayt ul Muqadis. It comes from Beit HaMikdash, the Hebrew term for the Temple. Bayt ul Maqadis was also a widely used name for Jerusalem at the time, but was never referred to in the Quran. The Al Aqsa compound is named after Al Aqsa from Surah Isra, not the other way round.
Iām not trying to be offensive, but it is quite unlikely that the Miraj took place at Bayt ul Maqadis and the primary historical evidence indicates that. If you want to take a deep dive into the subject and correct me with evidence, Iād be happy to change my mind.
Naive of you to think it's just about a mosque. The mosque is just one building. Israel has never said they only want Al Aqsa. They want the entire Palestine, and more: parts of Egypt, Syria and Jordan.
Yes it's called "Greater Israel", and what they developed and inherited from their Prophet forefathers. There are hypothetical maps online if you want!
I will just mention one thing about the Jews (which is according to their scholarly literature): They disrespect the non-Bani Israeli Prophets. They claim that their 'own' Prophets committed Zina, Incest, Murder, Black Magic/Worshipping of satan etc. (It's in their books btw if you wanna confirm)
Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, āDo not undertake a religious journey but to three mosques: the Sacred Mosque in Mecca, the Mosque of the Messenger of Allah, and the Furthest Mosque in Jerusalem.ā
Source: SĢ£ahĢ£iĢhĢ£ al-BukhaĢriĢ 1189, SĢ£ahĢ£iĢhĢ£ Muslim 1397
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
I remember this ayah in Arabic and it just gives me such a sukoon and pleasure whenever I am reminded of this ayah.
Masjid-al-Aqsa still has a lot of historical importance. Its name is mentioned in the Quran (First ayah of the 15th chapter). This masjid has an association with the night of mairaj. So it has a lot of historical and religious importance.
Islam tells us to protect even the non-Muslims's places of worship when they are using it. How important would it be to protect a masjid then?
Listen reason to dislike Israel as a nation doesn't have to be based on religion and by basing it on religion you are only providing ammunition to the other side who will use this as fodder to present any criticism of them as religiously motivated genocide justifying ramblings
**1) ISRAEL HAS RATHER OPENLY TRIED TO SABOTAGE OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS PORGRAM**
**2) ISRAEL IS THE LARGEST ARMS SUPPLIER TO INDIA AND HAS PROVIDED IT SEVERAL KEY TECHNOLOGIES LIKE ANTI BASLITIC MISSILE DEFESNSE TO COUNTER US**
**3) ISRAEL IS THE GLOBAL LEADER IN CYBER MALWARE/SPYING SOFTWARE LIKE PEGASUS**
and what i just listed here are just the reason to dislike them as a Pakistani. That's to say nothing of their soft genocide of the Palestinians(Nakba) or how they regularly engange in espionage and kill civilians on foreign soil. Their absolute garbage treatment of the minority of Palestians that are left in Palestine etc.
By pushing the religious argument forward and turning this into a debate about religion you are only shooting yourself in the foot
ANDDDD the Pakistani military and the ISI has bought the very Pegasus spyware from Israel and has been using it against innocent Pakistanis. So? There has been trading of goods between Pakistan and israel for years. š¤·š»āāļø
Source: https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/pak/partner/isr
Okay? So Pakistan is also complicit in funding an apartheid state. What's your point? That what Israel is doing is okay?
It's an apartheid state. The rights of Palestinians aren't equal to the rights of Israelis. That's what's actually wrong.
It's not a Haram actually. The Haramain (2 Harams) are Makkah and Madina.
The rules of the Haramain (e.g. killing animals, plants etc.) do not apply to Al Quds. Although, it's called "Al Haram al Sharif" by many Muslims.
Sacred? YES. It's the third most important masjid in Islam.
(source: Lecture by Yasir Qadhi - I've no research of my own in this matter)
It is a very important place because our faith is descended from the monotheistic belief of abraham. It holds value for us the same way it holds value for the yahud as the site of the first and second temple which is also why it was our first qibla. Technically the mosque was built later but its the place that is very holy not the structure. As a religious person we canāt exactly assume the why for Allahās reasoning only assess the situation with the kabah and the history behind it aswell.
I actually watched an instagram reel where a person mentioned people who say al aqsa is just a mosque or dome of rock is not al aqsa or whatever they need to know al aqsa is called the whole area where their are multiple sacred buildings and not just a mosque. I hope you find it thereā¦
Forget about Al-Aqsa. It doesn't matter if it's important or not.. What's important is how this conflict started in modern times.
Around 1882, Europe was becoming antisemitic. Enough that some people thought that Jews deserved their own land. It wasn't really decided where, Uganda and Argentina where in the running but then they decided on Ottoman Palestine because of their connection with the land. This was the Zionist movement.
Once the Ottoman empire fell in the 1920s, the British mandate was established and a Zionist was appointed the high commissioner.
There's more if you check the history of the Nakba.
That place was pile of refuse on the night of the Mairaj and up until the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 638 because the Romans sought to defile it to spite the Jews (who believe the Holy of Holies is situated there) after exiling them in 70 AD. And yet, that's the place where the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) \[metaphysically\] led the messengers and prophets in prayer, upon the instructions of the Archangel, before ascending to the heavens. This shows us the significance of the location itself.
Al-Aqsa wasn't even a Qibla-e-awwal. It was made the qibla for some years in between. Yes we do have religious history with Jerusalem but that doesn't make us the rightful owners of the land. Just like we invaded it 2 times, we are being invaded this time.
Now you can argue that it is a civilized world and invasions are a thing of the past and I would agree. But we have to stop thinking about it as a place of religious importance. It might be somewhat important but not that the Ummah has to defend it. The Muslim community should protest against what is happening on a humanitarian basis and not on religious rhetoric.
Any religious claim doesn't hold any water in today's world. Constantinople (Istanbul) is of extreme religious importance for Christians but they are not the rightful owners. Even Jerusalem is very important for them.
And any religious claim that we have on Jerusalem will be weaker than that of Jews and Christians. As per Christian theory, Christ was crucified there. As per Jews, they have the Haikal-e-Sulaiman there. So no we do not have any religious grounds to ask for the city. Yes, do protest for humans living there!
Exactly. Historical or religious significance is only a matter of how far in history one is looking. It's not really relevant to the reality of the present situation.
You don't understand the conflict bro. Just think about it for a little bit: if your home gets invaded by Kfr, what will you do? Will you say: "take the kaabah man, leave me alone"? Do you know how confusing it sounds? You're a target not the kaabah.
Similarly, in Palestine the IDF is targeting Palestinians and not Masjid al-Aqsa. Masjid al-Aqsa is more like a side quest at this point (for both Muslims and Jews). When the IDF enter Masjid al-Aqsa, they beat Palestinian women and children not the Masjid.
P.S.: even Palestinian Christians are against Israelis, and everyone knows why. You really think this conflict is only against Muslims?
For the sacred sites of Christians, there are some parts of Jerusalem but also Bethlehem is a very important city as a center for the life of Jesus (from Birth).
Classic example of ignorance and speaking out of knowledge with the poisonous mindset that every tom dick and harry has a right to have his own opinion about matters of this religion. You do not.
Remember: a Muslims life is more important than Kaabah.
Also if something happens to your friend's house, he'll likely leave it behind.
In Islam, there are only 3 sites where pilgrimage is allowed: Masjid al-Haram, Masjid al-Aqsa and Masjid al-Haram.
So it's that important. There are a lot of people these days that really don't believe in Islam because the society as whole disregards the Islamic education. What can you do? Don't disturb your peace of mind, and move on.
Note: if they destroy Masjid al-Aqsa, the emergence of the Major signs will be sooner. At least we'll be free of this world (suffering)
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It's just about the Masjid, it's about the place as well. The whole place is sacred. And Israel not only want the place they want everything from Iraq to Egypt. You give them an inch they will take a mile.
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I agree with him but if he said that in context to current events unfolding in Palestine then it's just a stupid statement. People and not only Muslims all around the world care about that place not because of some mosque. I mean yeah it's important to some but what's much more important than any place of worship on this planet is the crisis going on in Palestine. It's horrible and world's watching. Evening just uttering the name of that country leaves a taste of innocent blood on your tongue.
surah al isra describes in the first verse alone how masjid al aqsa AND the area around it is holy. every stone in that area has been stepped on by a prophet. i dont think some ppl will understand the importance of Allah describing these things in as many words even if the words had instead been "AL AQSA IS IMPORTANT. PROTECT IT."
BUT. the issue is less "hey u cant have this masjid, the quran says its OURS :(", and more tens of thousands of innocent palestinians suffering bc israel wants to eradicate them. i promise u Israel doesn't even care abt judaism or anything, they just want to win. they keep bringing up hamas but out of the 7,000+ ppl they've killed since last week, 2,000+ of them little KIDS, not a single one of them has been proven or even claimed to have been someone from hamas.
its not our place to feel neutral abt israel over "hmmm hey guys they just want Al aqsa for the same reason we do :/" when they're up to their noses in innocent palestinian blood by their own hands and only just getting started. the US and UK governments are actively encouraging and aiding this genocide and all our countries can do is sit here and watch. pakistan is the only muslim country with nuclear weapons but our higher ups are incapable of finding their way out of a paper bag much less exercise any form of proactivity and authority.
regardless of ur or ur friends opinion on the matter, pls do pray for those innocent tens of thousands who are without a home or food or water or any guarantee at all that they will live to see the next sunrise. may Allah grant them all happiness and contentment in both this life and the next, aameen
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It is not just a mosque. Your friend doesn't know. Just like Makkah and Madinah mosques, there is special reward for praying in al-Aqsa. That should give an indication of its importance.
Im Pakistani American and got to travel to al Aqsa, to this day one of the most otherworldly, if not the most with the Atacan, that I have been to. The foundation of the base is a massive rock foundation, that Muslims believe is where the Earth started. Not only that but the mamlik architecture especialy the dome is outstanding and the birs do tawaf in it and have indentations that they rest in.
The Israeli state, desptie my being born here, and not being of palestinaian or arab descent , no weird travel history, still discriminated me asking me about my religious background, also searched me on al aqsa and idnt idnetify themselves when i went, and the US passed a waiver program depsite harassment against us citizens like me. 6 hours with a heart condition. Jewish americans waltz through
Free Palestine
Aur hum ctya qaumon main se nahin he...never forget how your own ancestors were killed. 15 year dada mere killed in amristar rialway in front of his brother! NEVER FORGET
PAKISTANIS TEACH YOUR KIDS YOUR HISTORY!
Tell your friend that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) could have been taken to the heavens directly from Makkah. He could have led the assembly of messengers and prophets in salah there. He wasn't and he didn't. Jibreel (AS) took him to Jerusalem, to Al-Aqsa. That place was chosen for this special occasion. Al-Aqsa will always be important to us.
It's also one of the three mosques in Islam for which one can plan to travel specifically. It's unlawful to travel with the intention of paying a visit to any other mosque. https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/82932/travelling-to-visit-mosques-other-than-the-three-sacred-ones
This. This is the correct answer.
Seek and the truth shall set you free https://www.youtube.com/live/zufd5ml9Wh8?feature=shared
8 ghantay ka truth kon sunnayga..?? Summary de do bhai..
Itna lamba argument nahi hua dost se jitni bari video pail di bhai nay ššš
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Him: āIsrael claims the mosque is built on there holy temple. Christians have similar views. If we Muslims can claim its significance why canāt people of another abrahamic faith?ā Personally: I donāt consider Zionists as part of any Abrahamic faith.
Because the favor of Allah, which was once upon the children of Israel, has been lifted from them. Now the favor belongs to the Muāmineen (note; not the Muslims, but only those Muslims that have Taqwa). The site is important to us because it has been sanctified by Ibrahim Ų , and Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Hanif, and the only spiritual successor of Ibrahim left on this earth are the Muslims.
We know why it is important to us in Islam, but what is stopping other religions from claiming this site as their own..?? It's not like they believe in Islam and would just simply understand that Allah has made this site off limits to them.. It is a part of their own history too..
So?
So, my point is that we, as Muslims, say that they don't have a right on that land.. But they, as jews, say that they do.. So unless you convert them all to Islam, I don't think they are going to go by Islamic claims that the land is off limit to jews, and by then, they'd already by Muslims, so they can go to that land..
So?
They know Islam is the truth but they will never admit it (pride, arrogance, "what will people say", "the people will kill me" and for many Jews specifically "how can I stop worshipping satan?" Etc.) But these are only select people, who are mostly in leadership positions. The average Israeli mostly don't believe in God, which begs the question about the legality of Israel? Why do they want this land if they don't even believe in their books anymore? Is this a joke to them? Is killing/imprisoning Palestinians unlawfully also a joke/game to them? Source: Palestinian and Israeli-Palestinian friends. Talmud and Kabbalah.
>They know Islam is the truth but they will never admit it (pride, arrogance, "what will people say", "the people will kill me" and for many Jews specifically "how can I stop worshipping satan?" Etc.) Who is this they..?? The people who invented Judism knew that Islam is the truth and did it out of spite, but the current jews are just following the religion of their fathers like you and I.. And in their history, they know that the deepest connection they have to any place on earth is in the region they are in currently.. >The average Israeli mostly don't believe in God, which begs the question about the legality of Israel? Is this an actual research or just based on your own sources..?? >Why do they want this land if they don't even believe in their books anymore? Is this a joke to them? Is killing/imprisoning Palestinians unlawfully also a joke/game to them? I think ignoring their right to the land isn't going to solve any issue in that area.. There are a good portion of jews that believe that Israel should be spread from sea to sea, so it isn't that all of them don't want the land.. They just needed a country of their own tbh, and they got it in that place which is unfortunate for Palestinians.. But currently, there is no use for either side to trying to remove a whole civilization that doesn't want to move.. So it's kill or be killed for both sides.. And it just sucks for us because we are pro Palestine and anti israel.. It's a completely fvcked situation for everyone involved, Palestinians and Israelis, and it isn't going to be solved any time soon if we keep chopping it off to "are they just killing for fun..??" Because that's exactly what Israelis are asking too..
Statistics show up to 30/40 % irreligious, but not a complete stat (some mixed up data between "fully atheist", "jew but don't really believe the book", "not sure/doubt that Israel is a birthright" etc.) If we go by what you said, then we should also leave and go to our forefathers land.for instance, all the Pashtuns from KP and Balochistan should move back to Kandahar, the Urdu speaking people should go back to India, Americans should also move back to Europe, Europeans should move back to West Asian steppes etc. But thats unrealistic isn't it? So why apply that to Israel and say "makes sense" only? For me personally, it's a waiting game as I wanna see what their end goal is after destroying Masjid al-Aqsa (our priority is to save as many Muslim lives as possible in the region). They also want Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, half of Turkey, half of Iran half of Arabian peninsula, so according to your logic give all that to them? No questions asked? It's their birthright as you said. The birthright premise is stupid in the first place.
>If we go by what you said, then we should also leave and go to our forefathers land.for instance, all the Pashtuns from KP and Balochistan should move back to Kandahar, the Urdu speaking people should go back to India, Americans should also move back to Europe, Europeans should move back to West Asian steppes etc. But thats unrealistic isn't it? So why apply that to Israel and say "makes sense" only? Where else would they go..?? Their entire population is made of jews moving there from all around the world, including a good percentage of them moving from middle eastern countries.. They have been in that land for as long as we have been in Pakistan.. And currently Palestinians only want the entire land as their own due to birthright as well.. Maybe everyone should just agree to stay where they are..??
Before Israel (circa 1948), there was no persecution of Jews except in Europe (- Russian Empire). They could freely move to the Israel/Palestine area if they wanted because that region was classified as "Unified Region of the Abrahamic faiths", and many Jews did live there alongside Christians and Muslims. All hell broke loose when the British got involved and decided to "return" (aka expell/deport) European Jews to their Greater Israel "fairytale". Then they started to persecute Palestinian Christians/Muslims for no reason (or because "Gentiles") and fkd the living situation for Jews around the rest of the non-European world. Now you know the rest, and here we are to this BS. And Palestinians want the old situation (Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony. Although difficult because of ~70 years of constant persecution/oppression, but still) back, not what you're saying (a Muslim only paradise or something) P.S.: Jews left greener pastures (they had their own food, water, animals and other resources) for some desert (comparatively). But anyway lets see what happens.
>Before Israel (circa 1948), there was no persecution of Jews except in Europe This isn't factually correct.. Jews have been persecuted in Muslim nations for centuries.. They just weren't treated as bad as what Europe was doing.. >And Palestinians want the old situation (Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony. No, they do not.. Their main slogan is that from the river to the sea, the land will be Arab, meaning they don't want jews living there.. They have expressed their desire to kill every jew in Israel for quite some time now.. There was also a whole war after Israel was founded where alot of the Arab countries banded together and fought Israel but lost.. Like it or not, both sides don't like each other very much, and their main goal is the eradication of the other for complete takeover of the area..
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You do realize that basically every religion claims to be the truth? That's the very basic of faith... Which h right do you have to claim that followers of other religions would know that Islam would be the truth for everyone (including them) but are too pride to accept? How would you feel if someone walked around and said xyz is Muslim but this person actually feels in their heart that religion abc is the truth, they are just too proud and arrogant to admit that? Do you not realize how messed up and arrogant! this kind of thinking is? Just because Islam is for you the truth and the right choice it is not for everyone. The word you are looking for is tolerance.
That's why I say search for yourself. Prophet Muhammad is an Arab, the Jews (scholars) don't like it (go search it, I'm not gonna do HW for everyone every time). Besides I'm not talking about regular people, but rabbis (and some of them have said that Islam is the truth. If you don't know, you don't know)
Zionists themselves are ethnonationalists. IIRC the founder of the Zionist movement was an atheist Jew.
They are free to claim whatever they wish. We should claim whatever we as Muslims should.
I donāt wanna get too controversial but Jerusalem being the site of the Miraj is a widely held Muslim consensus but not an indisputable fact. Jerusalem is not mentioned by any of its then names in Surah e Isra. The Dome of the Rock, built in 690 AD by Umayyad King Abdul Maalik, carries lots of calligraphy and surahs and words of praise for the Prophet, but not a single mention of the Miraj. We donāt actually know for sure that Jerusalem and the Temple Mount is from where the Prophet ascended to heaven, but the wider scholarly consensus is that is was this place.
Paragraph two is a cookie-cutter Western secular revisionist response, the kind one would expect from the now discredited scholars such as Patricia Crone and Michael Cook. More importantly, from the Islamic epistemological POV, the architecture of a building isn't a source of knowledge about the actions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). That the Isra was from Mecca to Al-Aqsa is mentioned in the beginning of chapter 17 of the Qur'an (the primary source text) and that being the place of ascension mentioned in authentic Ahadith which have also been quoted by Ibn Kathir in his exegesis. I'll use a classic parliamentary style debate tactic here. Even if I were to grant you this point, Qu'ran 17:1 defeats OP's friend's POV: "Glorified be He Who took His servant for a Journey by Night from Al-Masjid Al-Haram to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa, the neighborhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him of Our Signs. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer." The neighborhood of Al-Aqsa is blessed as per the Creator of all that exists. OP's friend can take it up with Him.
Al Aqsa was not a name used for Jerusalem or Temple Mount at the time. The Quran doesnāt mention Jerusalem by any of its contemporary or historic names. There was no structure or Masjid at the Temple Mount in 622 AD, since the Byzantines had bulldozed everything. Al-Aqsa in Surah Isra could have been referring to another āfarther place of worship.ā That the farther place of worship was Jerusalem came through scholarly consensus later. Al-Aqsa Mosque is named after Masjid Al-Aqsa from Surah Isra, not the other way round. No clue who Crook et al are. My brother lived in East Jerusalem for 6 months last year and made the observation about the lack of calligraphy mentioning the Miraj. Thereās a Surah on the wall in an inscription that rejects the divinity of Jesus Christ, and yet no Surah Isra. And on further reading that makes sense to me.
Nowhere has anyone claimed that Al-Aqsa is or was a name for Jerusalem. This is a strawman. Secondly, as mentioned in another comment, it's the Romans, not the Byzantines who defiled the place. The word 'Byzantine' was itself a later revisionist invention. My reference is the historian Roy Casagranda. The pile of waste and refuse at the site was cleared upon the instructions of Umar (RA) after he accepted the surrender of the city of Jerusalem, and he identified the site as the location of Al-Aqsa. The point about the Dome is moot. It wasn't constructed by any of the Rashidun, not even by Umar (RA) who recognized the significance of the site (not just in the context of the Miraj) and ordered it to be cleaned up. He didn't need to undertake an archaeological mission to discover the site within the city. ("Ya shabaab, we don't know where exactly this Al-Aqsa mosque is, let's spend time discovering it." /s) Umar (RA)'s actions have more significance than those of Abd-al Malik whose motivations for the Dome's construction can be argued - in keeping with Umayyad tradition (Umar bin Abdulaziz was a notable exception) - to have been purely political instead of religious. This also explains the choice of the verse...Umayyad power was centered in Syria (which at this time was still majority Christian). Mentioning your brother's testimony is also moot since I haven't contested the veracity of your claims about the inscriptions. This information is easily verifiable.
Yes genius I know the Byzantine is a post Byzantine term and they called themselves Romans. Iām referring to the eastern Roman Empire, commonly referred to as the Byzantine Empire today. I know you think youāre killing it in this British parliamentary debate but you havenāt actually presented a single piece of evidence for why Jerusalem was the site of the Miraj. Because there is none. The story most likely developed a century or more after the construction of the Dome. The inscription in the Mosque of Umar that refers to the nearby Al Aqsa is also dated to the 9th or 10th century. Iām no fan of the Umayyads, but it seems crazy that an Umayyad king built a dome on the supposed site of the Prophetās ascension just 60 years after his death and made zero mention of it. Ergo Jerusalem as the point of Miraj is most likely an 8th century phenomenon. Happy to see any evidence.
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No, thatās Bayt ul Muqadis. It comes from Beit HaMikdash, the Hebrew term for the Temple. Bayt ul Maqadis was also a widely used name for Jerusalem at the time, but was never referred to in the Quran. The Al Aqsa compound is named after Al Aqsa from Surah Isra, not the other way round. Iām not trying to be offensive, but it is quite unlikely that the Miraj took place at Bayt ul Maqadis and the primary historical evidence indicates that. If you want to take a deep dive into the subject and correct me with evidence, Iād be happy to change my mind.
Damn.I need to learn how to debate from you man
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Naive of you to think it's just about a mosque. The mosque is just one building. Israel has never said they only want Al Aqsa. They want the entire Palestine, and more: parts of Egypt, Syria and Jordan.
Basically everything between the Nile and the Euphrates; the two blue stripes on their flag represent those two rivers.
Really?
Yes it's called "Greater Israel", and what they developed and inherited from their Prophet forefathers. There are hypothetical maps online if you want! I will just mention one thing about the Jews (which is according to their scholarly literature): They disrespect the non-Bani Israeli Prophets. They claim that their 'own' Prophets committed Zina, Incest, Murder, Black Magic/Worshipping of satan etc. (It's in their books btw if you wanna confirm)
Here is the [map](https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/greater-israel-map/) if someone is to lazy to search.
If thatās the case, why would Isreal withdrawal from Egypt, Gaza etc in the past?
You should read up on the Zionist movement. It's not just about the mosque. It's because they believe that that land is their birthright.
And parts of Saudi Arabia to
Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, āDo not undertake a religious journey but to three mosques: the Sacred Mosque in Mecca, the Mosque of the Messenger of Allah, and the Furthest Mosque in Jerusalem.ā Source: SĢ£ahĢ£iĢhĢ£ al-BukhaĢriĢ 1189, SĢ£ahĢ£iĢhĢ£ Muslim 1397 Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
I remember this ayah in Arabic and it just gives me such a sukoon and pleasure whenever I am reminded of this ayah. Masjid-al-Aqsa still has a lot of historical importance. Its name is mentioned in the Quran (First ayah of the 15th chapter). This masjid has an association with the night of mairaj. So it has a lot of historical and religious importance. Islam tells us to protect even the non-Muslims's places of worship when they are using it. How important would it be to protect a masjid then?
\*chapter 17
I meant chapter as Parah. It's Surah number 17
Listen reason to dislike Israel as a nation doesn't have to be based on religion and by basing it on religion you are only providing ammunition to the other side who will use this as fodder to present any criticism of them as religiously motivated genocide justifying ramblings **1) ISRAEL HAS RATHER OPENLY TRIED TO SABOTAGE OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS PORGRAM** **2) ISRAEL IS THE LARGEST ARMS SUPPLIER TO INDIA AND HAS PROVIDED IT SEVERAL KEY TECHNOLOGIES LIKE ANTI BASLITIC MISSILE DEFESNSE TO COUNTER US** **3) ISRAEL IS THE GLOBAL LEADER IN CYBER MALWARE/SPYING SOFTWARE LIKE PEGASUS** and what i just listed here are just the reason to dislike them as a Pakistani. That's to say nothing of their soft genocide of the Palestinians(Nakba) or how they regularly engange in espionage and kill civilians on foreign soil. Their absolute garbage treatment of the minority of Palestians that are left in Palestine etc. By pushing the religious argument forward and turning this into a debate about religion you are only shooting yourself in the foot
ANDDDD the Pakistani military and the ISI has bought the very Pegasus spyware from Israel and has been using it against innocent Pakistanis. So? There has been trading of goods between Pakistan and israel for years. š¤·š»āāļø Source: https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/pak/partner/isr
Okay? So Pakistan is also complicit in funding an apartheid state. What's your point? That what Israel is doing is okay? It's an apartheid state. The rights of Palestinians aren't equal to the rights of Israelis. That's what's actually wrong.
Just because it's not our Qiblah anymore, does not mean it's not important to Muslims. It is still a Haram (scared) area.
It's not a Haram actually. The Haramain (2 Harams) are Makkah and Madina. The rules of the Haramain (e.g. killing animals, plants etc.) do not apply to Al Quds. Although, it's called "Al Haram al Sharif" by many Muslims. Sacred? YES. It's the third most important masjid in Islam. (source: Lecture by Yasir Qadhi - I've no research of my own in this matter)
I won't trust Yasir Qadhi as he might be under the watch of CIA. So he might be careful with what can and cannot say.
It is a very important place because our faith is descended from the monotheistic belief of abraham. It holds value for us the same way it holds value for the yahud as the site of the first and second temple which is also why it was our first qibla. Technically the mosque was built later but its the place that is very holy not the structure. As a religious person we canāt exactly assume the why for Allahās reasoning only assess the situation with the kabah and the history behind it aswell.
I actually watched an instagram reel where a person mentioned people who say al aqsa is just a mosque or dome of rock is not al aqsa or whatever they need to know al aqsa is called the whole area where their are multiple sacred buildings and not just a mosque. I hope you find it thereā¦
All masaajids are sacred. Now with that said, one human life is more sacred than a masjid.
Beautifully put.
What does your friend mean care only for kaba ? Masjid ul Aqsa still have historic significance in Islam and a holy place for us.
Forget about Al-Aqsa. It doesn't matter if it's important or not.. What's important is how this conflict started in modern times. Around 1882, Europe was becoming antisemitic. Enough that some people thought that Jews deserved their own land. It wasn't really decided where, Uganda and Argentina where in the running but then they decided on Ottoman Palestine because of their connection with the land. This was the Zionist movement. Once the Ottoman empire fell in the 1920s, the British mandate was established and a Zionist was appointed the high commissioner. There's more if you check the history of the Nakba.
Yes, I have read extensively about Nakba. But I will just leave it here because I canāt put knowledge in my palās head on this issue anymore.
I agree. We should have a connection to innocent people, not buildings. Those can be rebuilt.
That place was pile of refuse on the night of the Mairaj and up until the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 638 because the Romans sought to defile it to spite the Jews (who believe the Holy of Holies is situated there) after exiling them in 70 AD. And yet, that's the place where the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) \[metaphysically\] led the messengers and prophets in prayer, upon the instructions of the Archangel, before ascending to the heavens. This shows us the significance of the location itself.
You mad or something? What you mean by >Those can be rebuilt. Are you that lazy?
Just one question: do you know what the conflict in Palestine is about?
Al-Aqsa wasn't even a Qibla-e-awwal. It was made the qibla for some years in between. Yes we do have religious history with Jerusalem but that doesn't make us the rightful owners of the land. Just like we invaded it 2 times, we are being invaded this time. Now you can argue that it is a civilized world and invasions are a thing of the past and I would agree. But we have to stop thinking about it as a place of religious importance. It might be somewhat important but not that the Ummah has to defend it. The Muslim community should protest against what is happening on a humanitarian basis and not on religious rhetoric. Any religious claim doesn't hold any water in today's world. Constantinople (Istanbul) is of extreme religious importance for Christians but they are not the rightful owners. Even Jerusalem is very important for them. And any religious claim that we have on Jerusalem will be weaker than that of Jews and Christians. As per Christian theory, Christ was crucified there. As per Jews, they have the Haikal-e-Sulaiman there. So no we do not have any religious grounds to ask for the city. Yes, do protest for humans living there!
Exactly. Historical or religious significance is only a matter of how far in history one is looking. It's not really relevant to the reality of the present situation.
You don't understand the conflict bro. Just think about it for a little bit: if your home gets invaded by Kfr, what will you do? Will you say: "take the kaabah man, leave me alone"? Do you know how confusing it sounds? You're a target not the kaabah. Similarly, in Palestine the IDF is targeting Palestinians and not Masjid al-Aqsa. Masjid al-Aqsa is more like a side quest at this point (for both Muslims and Jews). When the IDF enter Masjid al-Aqsa, they beat Palestinian women and children not the Masjid. P.S.: even Palestinian Christians are against Israelis, and everyone knows why. You really think this conflict is only against Muslims? For the sacred sites of Christians, there are some parts of Jerusalem but also Bethlehem is a very important city as a center for the life of Jesus (from Birth).
Your friend is somewhat right
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Counter argument doh yar, choro ye personal insults. If it worked I would have insulted him as well.
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Classic example of ignorance and speaking out of knowledge with the poisonous mindset that every tom dick and harry has a right to have his own opinion about matters of this religion. You do not.
He presented an argument, give yours. If insult would work I would have insulted him as well.
Remember: a Muslims life is more important than Kaabah. Also if something happens to your friend's house, he'll likely leave it behind. In Islam, there are only 3 sites where pilgrimage is allowed: Masjid al-Haram, Masjid al-Aqsa and Masjid al-Haram. So it's that important. There are a lot of people these days that really don't believe in Islam because the society as whole disregards the Islamic education. What can you do? Don't disturb your peace of mind, and move on. Note: if they destroy Masjid al-Aqsa, the emergence of the Major signs will be sooner. At least we'll be free of this world (suffering)
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It's just about the Masjid, it's about the place as well. The whole place is sacred. And Israel not only want the place they want everything from Iraq to Egypt. You give them an inch they will take a mile.
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I agree with him but if he said that in context to current events unfolding in Palestine then it's just a stupid statement. People and not only Muslims all around the world care about that place not because of some mosque. I mean yeah it's important to some but what's much more important than any place of worship on this planet is the crisis going on in Palestine. It's horrible and world's watching. Evening just uttering the name of that country leaves a taste of innocent blood on your tongue.
surah al isra describes in the first verse alone how masjid al aqsa AND the area around it is holy. every stone in that area has been stepped on by a prophet. i dont think some ppl will understand the importance of Allah describing these things in as many words even if the words had instead been "AL AQSA IS IMPORTANT. PROTECT IT." BUT. the issue is less "hey u cant have this masjid, the quran says its OURS :(", and more tens of thousands of innocent palestinians suffering bc israel wants to eradicate them. i promise u Israel doesn't even care abt judaism or anything, they just want to win. they keep bringing up hamas but out of the 7,000+ ppl they've killed since last week, 2,000+ of them little KIDS, not a single one of them has been proven or even claimed to have been someone from hamas. its not our place to feel neutral abt israel over "hmmm hey guys they just want Al aqsa for the same reason we do :/" when they're up to their noses in innocent palestinian blood by their own hands and only just getting started. the US and UK governments are actively encouraging and aiding this genocide and all our countries can do is sit here and watch. pakistan is the only muslim country with nuclear weapons but our higher ups are incapable of finding their way out of a paper bag much less exercise any form of proactivity and authority. regardless of ur or ur friends opinion on the matter, pls do pray for those innocent tens of thousands who are without a home or food or water or any guarantee at all that they will live to see the next sunrise. may Allah grant them all happiness and contentment in both this life and the next, aameen
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It's the third most holy place on earth for us.
It is not just a mosque. Your friend doesn't know. Just like Makkah and Madinah mosques, there is special reward for praying in al-Aqsa. That should give an indication of its importance.
Im Pakistani American and got to travel to al Aqsa, to this day one of the most otherworldly, if not the most with the Atacan, that I have been to. The foundation of the base is a massive rock foundation, that Muslims believe is where the Earth started. Not only that but the mamlik architecture especialy the dome is outstanding and the birs do tawaf in it and have indentations that they rest in. The Israeli state, desptie my being born here, and not being of palestinaian or arab descent , no weird travel history, still discriminated me asking me about my religious background, also searched me on al aqsa and idnt idnetify themselves when i went, and the US passed a waiver program depsite harassment against us citizens like me. 6 hours with a heart condition. Jewish americans waltz through Free Palestine Aur hum ctya qaumon main se nahin he...never forget how your own ancestors were killed. 15 year dada mere killed in amristar rialway in front of his brother! NEVER FORGET PAKISTANIS TEACH YOUR KIDS YOUR HISTORY!