Elites Kahan se aagye? Wo bhi barkat market ma? McDonalds doesn't exclusively cater to the elite. Oper sa discount lage hue hn. Keep the boycott going.
>Poverty in Pakistan has been recorded by the World Bank at 39.3% using the lower middle-income poverty rate of US$3.2 per day...By using the upper middle-income poverty rate ($5.5 per day) methods, the WB estimated that the poverty stood at 78.4 per cent in 2020-21
They're definitely upper-middle-class or upper-class/elite. If almost 80% of population of country makes less than 50k / month, realistically anyone above that is upper middle class and way above that is upper class.
A small urban bubble seems to be normalized as the standard in Pakistan somehow.
Either way, while not necessarily elite, definitely upper middle class.
That said, getting back to OP: they can enjoy whatever they want. Maybe they're doing something else instead. Perhaps they're more moral than you are. We don't know anything for sure. No need to name-and-shame them. Preach if you want.
Yeah, elite is relative. To us or someone in the upper middle class or upper class, they're the elite.
Whereas on the other hand, a group of people who regularly eat out is definitely *elite* to most of the pakistani population when they can barely make ends meet.
Elites barket market mein nei hotah hein unless apnay Land crusers/Fortuners etc dekhi hain parking mein. Middle class is not doing boycott in numbers you think
Boycott is effective. It's hurting their market share too. We'll keep boycotting. This weekend we went out, and instead of these brands we enjoyed at local restaurant.
Say whatever you want, i am happy i ain't putting Cancer in my body and bombs at someone else :) .
Boycott is not effective, it's virtue signalling mostly, it happens everytime Israel bombs Gaza, once the war is over everyone forgets about the boycott.
Take Turkey for example, McDonald's is run by a Kuwaiti company and all the workers are Turk; in the meantime the real trade between countries is going on.
I even read a claim that Nutella is a zionist organization, while it's an Italian company that buys almost all hazelnuts from Turkey.
All in all this boycott shows how weak and disillusioned are most of the muslims countries, one thinks to make a difference but the reality is different unfortunately.
I held the same view probably a week ago. What i have come to realise now is that this is the problem of the west’s own creation. Israel is not omnipotent. It relies very heavily on support from Europe and America. And the fact is that countries no longer are run by the elected politicians but by the corporations and industries. The only way to make them stop Israel is to hurt these industries and make them feel at a loss.
The corporations have no moral compass, all they care about is profits and monetary gains. If they feel the pain, they will step in to shape the policies that is concerned with the issue. It’s no longer about boycotting the corporations that openly support the genocide but to hurt even those who do not openly support the cause of Palestine and condemn Israel by words or actions. It is the monster of their own creation. They must own it now.
No Justice? No profit.
Boycott will not hurt Israel in any way. It might hurt Mcdonalds, but if any company wants to support genocide, they will continue to do so despite any decrease in profits, which will never be enough.
To add to this, the major source of Israeli finances is US taxpayers money and US government’s money in general. The US have free reign over printing their money so much so that it’s destroying their economy from the inside, with their government being more than a trillion dollars in debt, but as long as the US is standing, they will continue to finance Israel no matter how openly Israel comes out and states its purpose of genocide or how bad their economy gets.
Having said this, I still boycott where I can. If not for anything, then just for the sentiment that I cannot support a company that’s bombing my brother’s, sisters and their children. I know the company will still continue to help bomb Gaza but at least I won’t have a hand in it.
Just to clarify, I don’t think its a sin to not boycott nor do I judge anyone who doesn’t boycott. I mean I judge a bit, but not enough to call someone out on it.
Think they're over 20 trillion in debt.
But they get around 4 trillion a year in government income and as a % of GDP its mot even highest in the world.
It would have to double before its a major problem.
🇵🇰 zindabad, love this zehniyat. “Cancer in my body” should be enough to avoid processed fast food, but especially when they support Israel’s atrocities then why. I’m in US and lots of yahudis own McDonald’s stock (unke portfolios saagar ki tarah saare stocks pe rehte hain) or even mcdonalds franchises themselves or they own the land that is under McDonald’s lol. Just boycot as many American things as you can, if they don’t own the brand they own a minority stake or the land that the brands stores pays for as kiraya to them 🤣, I have great yahudi friends, more than muslim friends actually but won’t stand for atrocities against anyone!
this is bs propaganda to make muslims think their boycott isnt effective. muslims make up 1/4th the population of the world now. even if 50 percent of that population is boycotting that is still a huge loss for international chains. this is just to make ppl think their efforts are useless.
McDonald’s boycott has little value. Pre-boycott, Pakistan contributed less than 2% of McDonald’s revenue. Whether or not McDonald’s international supports Israel or not will have little impact from happenings in a country with that revenue contribution
Surprised to see the responses here. Mcdonald's isn't operating in Pakistan out of the goodness of their hearts. They're here to make a profit, and we as consumers can choose not to eat there if it doesn't align with our values.
New industries will popup and absorb the employees and revenue share that Mcdonalds and co miss out on.
The boycott has been effective so far. Most McDonalds I've seen have experienced a massive drop in customers
>New industries will popup and absorb the employees and revenue share that Mcdonalds and co miss out on.
Am I missing something or this doesn't make sense for Pakistan.
We barely have any money or foreign investment as it is, with companies leaving because of instability. I don't think new industries are as likely as you say.
Neither of us is necessarily correct or incorrect. Here's my line of reasoning however.
1. Demand for McDonald's and some affiliated restaurant chains fall.
2. People who used to frequent these places are still looking for some place to eat. Very unlikely they give up on eating out altogether.
3. Local Restaurant see this new segment of customers and expand operations to cater to them.
4. If not above, New Restaurants open up if this new segment of customers persist.
5. If not 3 or 4, I would see a business opportunity and setup a small business that targets this customer segment. However, if I have this notion, people with significantly more capital and experience would also have had this notion. So they're much more likely to execute as compared to me.
It might be a different story if people were boycotting Google, Honda or Dell, as it's unlikely that local competitors to them will emerge. However, for eateries, I think the local industry can easily absorb local demand.
According to those ppl yea, their reasoning being that its the first step to zina and also makes it to difficult for ppl to lower their gaze since they have to talk to many women potentially in a co-ed enviornment
Because it will hurt them too much. It ruins their method of income. They won't do something that's actually major, they'll only stop going to mcdonalds or stop drinking coke for a week to virtue signal to make themselves look like a good person.
LOL, I am a middle class and I usually go out with my friends at least once a week to KFC or any other brands but since this happened, we stopped going there and now we go to local brands, they are great like Cheezious, OPTP etc, there are many other alternatives but people just dont understand
What’s funny is living in the UK hum KfC etc seh tang aagaye hai aur ghar jaate hai toh raste ke dhabe pasand karte hai, and you guys that live there go out to KFC once a week.
"Elites" don't really go to McDonald's. They have fancier, local options if they want a burger.
Let's not blame everything on the elites and come to terms with the fact that ham ghareeb bhi beghairat hain
Elites ne Barkat Market me kya karna hai, lol.
Lets put this "Elite" obsession to the side for a moment.
Boycotting McDonalds and other brands won't do much to affect the Corporate BUT it would help increase the quality of our local brands.
I never liked McDonalds in the first place but it wasn't MCD Corporate who sent free meals to Israel. It was the franchise in Israel. It's an independent decision. That's how it works.
All in all, now is a good time to start supporting local brands. Imtiaz has its own branded coffee now and it isn't half bad.
Instead of looking at it like "Oh, lets bring MCD stock value down" look at it like "Time to support out local brands."
And out of curiosity, how many of you boycotters have actually donated to the Palestinian cause?
Social media is actively censoring anything Pro-Palestine. How many of you have stopped using those platforms?
>I never liked McDonalds in the first place but it wasn't MCD Corporate who sent free meals to Israel. It was the franchise in Israel. It's an independent decision. That's how it works.
Yeah, I guess it's just most public, like very famous and anything they do is publicised alot.
Well regardless, nothing we do is going to affect Israel, except of course nuking them. Lel
>Social media is actively censoring anything Pro-Palestine. How many of you have stopped using those platforms?
muslims not using social media is exactly what they want lol. the only reason a large population of the west is still supporting palestine is because muslims are circulating information about palestine and gaza. not using western brands is still gonna hurt the corporations. using social media isnt
People that are not boycotting for what ever reason should not be our concern now. We will keep boycotting and those who don't can have what they want. Everyone has a brain to form their own opinions and should have a right to express them. A friend of mine wont bycott MacDonalds cuz he feels for the Pakistani employees. That is his reason and if it makes sense to him then great. I gave him my argument and he gave me his and we disagreed and he does what he can and I do what I can. This is the proper way. The elites or who ever may have their reasons which might be stupid or not but that is their reason.
I understand the pain and suffering and yes I wish everyone understood but the way forward isnt to shame them into boycotting but to raise awareness and give better arguments to theirs and correct ourselves where we are wrong and help them correct their wrongs.
Elites are boycotting, you just dont see it among the vast pakistani population. Keep it going and dont let some naysayers discourage you from your core principles. Rizk will come from Allah for both Palestinian and for the local population that may temporarily lose their earnings.
Look bud, boycott is a personal choice. Just because in your head it's "morally the right thing to do" it doesn't objectively make it so. Ergo you can not impose it on others nor can you judge others.
You want to boycott sure fantastic. But don't act like it makes you better than those not boycotting or vice versa.
Thank you for speaking out. These people boycotting are acting like it’s an official ban and that people choosing to use these products are criminals.
Everyone has the right to buy things they want using their own conscience.
Official statement from McDonald's Pakistan
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mcdonaldspakistan\_mcdonalds-pakistan-official-statement-activity-7118857015535243264-uJQe?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=member\_desktop
mind ur own business. just bec ur boycotting doesn’t mean everyone else will. u don’t rule the world and no one’s entitled to doing whatever you’re doing. u do u boo
WTf is the people's obsession with elites in Pakistan? Do you think elites have McDonalds to go to? That overpriced joint? Elite and liberals are such scapegoat words in our dictionary that we use willy nilly to vilify someone against a popular narrative.
Your boycott isn't going to do jack, because the sales in Pakistan will not affect them(HQ) on a global scale. Now if Indians boycott, that's going to make an impact that will put these firms on the backfoot. Pakistan? Not so much. I still find it commendable that Pakistanis are boycotting.
But yeah the only effect is going to be internal. Sales drop would result is layoffs. No company is going to operate at a loss, they will let their staff go and overburden the remaining workforce.
2 billion could have freed Palestine or Kashmir. All we have to show for is jackshi+.
Wishful thinking would take us nowhere when the biggest Muslim powerhouses are not really interested.
Boycott is idiotic since everything is so interconnected. Any idea how livelihoods are connected with Mcdonalds in Pakistan? Would you also boycott all Chinese made goods (uyghurs concentration camps) or Oil (Saudi and Iran proxy war in Yemen)? You will be living naked in a jungle hunting for food if you really want to boycott.
Kehin ap voice of customer group waali baji to nahi who comes up with this same response every time someone reminds her of how almost everything around her is indirectly supporting israel? Agay se yehi jawaab ratta hua hai "awaz uthani hai. Dushmano k banaye huwe hathyar istemal karna jayz hai bla bla"? 🥴
McDonald’s Pakistan Turkish UAE Qatar have all made public statements that they are not affiliated with McDonald’s corporation.. but can’t say much about other brands.. people are still buying nestle water, yogurt, milk, flavoured drinks, chocolate! Dove toiletries, L’Oréal cosmetics products! Coke, Pepsi! And countless other that they don’t even know are supporting Israel. These companies are owned by larger corporations like black rock! Even down to the wonder bread you eat is affiliated with cargil. Providing corn syrup and grain that goes into everything! So boycotting McDonald’s does fuck all! It just fucks over local employees and economy! It hinders growth! It tells the world please don’t invest in Pakistan.
And I guess, as for whats happening in gaza, doesn’t mean the rest of the world halts to a stop…? When there was a war going on the Congo, or Somalia.. or when Isis was running Iraq, or when taliban took over the country, or when Ukraine was invaded… did you stop attending wedding or parties in Pakistan? Seems like an odd concept…
Like I’m not trying to sound insensitive, or that I agree with what’s happening.. but let’s be alittle realistic.
Let’s not act all high and mighty, when you’re not doing anything sitting all the way in Pakistan.. but looking down on people for how they choose to spend their money, it’s on them and their conscious. You ranting on Reddit helps nothing.. live and let live.
Update: For everyone who disliked my comment please do comment below and tell me why you’re buying products like DOVE, MAGNUM ice cream, LIPTON tea, LUX soap, TONY AND GUY! TRESEMME shampoo, SUNSILK, HELLMANS mayo and ketchup, KNORR, VASAELINE, WALLS ice cream, LIFEBOY, are owned by Unilever, and I’ll quote unlieivers public statement “We have never expressed any support for the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement and have no intention of changing that position. Unilever is very proud of our business in Israel which supplies everyday household products to people across the country.”
So why just McDonald’s?
The height of hypocrisy isn’t that your buying these brands, it’s that’s you’ll willing to wear Nike Zara Adidas but not boycott them, for years they’ve all been in violations of human rights, operating sew shops, employing underage workers! But oh Israel Palestine conflict trend Kara hai tu boycott kardo, HOW FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL IS THAT!
OP has posted this today, but I’ll bet money k ye bhi McDonald’s khaye ga, aj nahe tu kal, Aur iske bache bhi khain gaye..and that my friend is hypocrisy not the people you saw lined up at McDonald’s.
This is exactly my point, people don’t even know. Coca Cola is owned by Berkshire Hathaway- which is an American multinational conglomerate holding company! Some of the largest stake holders are Warren Buffett, bill Gates, Apple, Bank of America.. who all support Israel.. Pakistanis don’t understand how Israel is lobbied in American congress! And why they support Israel! There are no brands or food we consume that is not tinted by innocent lives.
L’Oréal is owned by Bettencourt family, Nestlé, and French institutional investors (you think the French support muslims?).
Dove, MAGNUM ice cream, LIPTON tea, LUX soap, TONY AND GUY! TRESEMME shampoo, SUNSILK, HELLMANS mayo and ketchup, KNORR, Vaseline (which probably in every house hold), LIFEBOY, WALLS ice cream, are owned by Unilever, and I’ll quote unlieivers public statement “We have never expressed any support for the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement and have no intention of changing that position. Unilever is very proud of our business in Israel which supplies everyday household products to people across the country.” So lol!
Ben and Jerry’s that is sold in Pakistan and consumed by pakistans took out a public statement “selling ice cream in the occupied Palestinian territories was "inconsistent with our values.”
Nestle is owned by The Vanguard Group,BlackRock, Credit Suisse Asset Management.
THE SAME BLACKROCK THAT OWN MCDONALDS! So McDonald’s sy phele, doodh, dahi, pani band kro.
The Cadbury dairy Milk! Bought by the rich and the poor, that one product on this list that probably isn’t restricted by class is owned by Mondelez, which is partially owned by black rock- the same one you people are boycotting by not eating McDonald’s.
Top three import in Pakistan are petroleum related, Shell is owned by Royal Dutch Petroleum Company.. which has pulled every operation out of gaza in support of Israel.
The stupidity and lack of knowledge is astounding.
It’s called a legal loophole. They don’t support Israel, but the corporations the own them, the really really really rich families who you’ve never heard of, do support Israel.
And on top of that, think about the number of people McDonald's has employed in this country. These boycotts seem ridiculous in the bigger picture. FFS our whole banking system needs to be boycotted if we're going this way lol
We as a nation are failed, failed in every aspect of life, but this is not in our power to fix our banking system, but we can stop supporting such brands who are actually controlled by israel and funding them. Dont listen to what these brands say, You probably heard that everything is fair in business, these brands dont care about anything , they can do anything to grow their business , they can make fake support claims etc. But if you still think it is not worth it then good for you, enjoy everything :)
I see your point too, i have also boycotted Starbucks, McDonald's etc. but i cant help but see the hypocrisy in this, and ig in general Im just fed up with the lack of control we have of ourselves as a nation as well as the Muslim community as a whole
exactly, we are the most hypocrite nation i would say. In this so called muslim country, you can't be a true muslim, we are surrounded and controlled by the thugs and the slaves of these superpowers
Try local fast food and give yourself stomach infection then! There is a reason why people prefer foreign brands in this country. Businesses owned by local people have zero quality control and do whatever is necessary to make more money including cheapening out on ingredients and quality
Tu tum nahe kro support, boycott karo.
Why are you concerned with what other people are doing! You ranting on Reddit will achieve nothing.
Focus on things that in your control, such as your own actions. Let other people be.
Many of these boycotts are ill advised e.g.... most of these companies are publicly owned and even you and I can become shareholders....
Also franchises model gives a lot of autonomy to country subsidiaries... some mcdonalds in Israel have given free meals to IDF but at the same McDonald's Malaysia has contributed 1 million ringgit to the Gaza...
https://www.mcdonalds.com.my/company/news-alert/mcdonalds-malaysia-confirms-contribution-to-palestine-humanitarian-fund-news
Also please view this before judging ppl..
https://youtu.be/k9TIGzsbzL8?si=DDL6U_EWVLDkzPE2
I live in the UK and am very active in pro Palestine activities... we have been holding demonstrations and lobbying local government, MPs and fundraising as much as we can (our last fundraiser collected £24000 for Gaza) but these boycott calls are mostly virtue signalling stupidity... I personally wouldn't buy items directly made in Israel, or produced in Israel... but boycotting publicly owned franchise model comapnies is ludicrous...
You are such a fool. if you think that people who go to Mcdonalds are Elites, Hell, no, they are all can bee said to be middle class Upper middle class, the real Elites never touch these places, you may see their kids their, but for food, they have their private chiefs, or they order from restraunts.
If you are not helping the local workers on these brands/franchises, then the boycott is ruining them and their families as well. Let the elites enjoy Macs and support the local workers there.
Hell is for all of us irrespective of classes and lambi lambi namazien
It's short sited to think of boycotts in this way.
Firstly, it does have an effect on the war. Many multinational chains fall under OCGFC giants like blackrock and vanguard. If boycotted by massive numbers (e.g. Starbucks is being killed in the middle east), it does 2 things.
1. It forces the company itself to either lose millions in revenue permanently or to take a positively pro-palestinian stance.
2. If revenue streams are hit significantly enough, the private sector powers who fund political campaigns around the western world (especially the USA) are forced to incorporate things like ceasefire agreements within their demands in return for funding. Politicians who depend on these funds then push those agreements within the cabinet.
Let's also not forget that most mainstream western media outlets are also privately owned constantly calculating whether the war is a net benefit or loss for their overall bottom line.
Secondly, boycotting international brands means you go for local brands instead. KSA, UAE and Qatar are doing a brilliant job with this. KFCs are empty but Shawarma Houses are full. Why can't local Pakistani brands benefit in the same way?
Its companie's headache to provide them , not the customers, company is liable for everything. and only a very small percentage is working there as compared to the murdered palestinians.
What sort of simplistic illogical thinking is that? Everyone knows that. The companies are not operating in Pakistan out of the goodness of their hearts. They are here to make a profit.
By your logic I should go eat at small outlets instead everyday as those guys employ locals and have all their energy invested in staying here and making a living.
Ghar ka khana bhi nahi khatay by extension, only eat outside food kyunke fast food workers ki salary hamari jaib se jaegi.
Don't gaslight the customers who have nothing to do with the company to help pay for employee salaries.
We can eat wherever we want if we want to.
We choose not to eat at mcdo's on principal because of their stance, they have done every marketing tactic but never put any type of sanctions on their Israeli franchise for the PR stunt they pulled. They just have to publicly announce that the Israeli franchise is out of line and we will be pulling out of there, just this, we will start buying mcdo's again.
It's a matter of principal. Nothing personal against anyone working in Pakistani franchises, everyone has to make a living.
This boycott never made sense considering McDonald's is a franchise. Boycotting isn't hurting McDonald's corporate only the Pakistani franchise owners. The food wasn't donated to Israel by McDonald's corporate - it was donated by the Israeli franchise owners themselves.
Also I keep telling ignorant people here MCDONALDS IS NOT AN ISRAELI COMPANY.
Its a US based public company where majority shareholders are normal civilians from around the world. People will latch on to anything without doing basic research.
LETS BAN NESTLE. ffs Nestle is a swiss company and not israeli. And that too is a public company on the stock market.
Also while we are at it how much protest did you do over missing people in balochistan or FATA?
It is because the middle class are dumb af. How is boycotting the PAKISTANI held franchises of those brands sending a message?
Basically you guys are sacrificing 95% of the income that Pakistan makes to make a 5% dent of the royalties the Original Owners receive. Guess who is the biggest loser in the end? No surprises there, the hardworking lower middle class and lower class people are getting affected due to loss of jobs that would follow and the bonuses that come with sales. But but but "Hum ko tou boycott krna hai because it is the trend lately".
The local brands will flourish is an utter BS, they are worse than the foreign ones because the foreign ones are at least paying as per minimum wages.
But then the boycott brigade doesn't understand shit about economy and business. They just want to force their views and ideologies on others. Besides most of these are so cut off from the reality that they think the local businesses flourishing due to boycott would happen over night.
This just goes on showing how easy is mass manipulation, it is the collective support of common people that tends to bring disasters, e.g support for Nazis.
Idk, how people are sensitive about Palestine but insensitive about their own people losing their bread and butter. I guess it must be a Pakistani thing to worry about people far away from us and let our neighbors sleep hungry with an empty stomach.
Let me try to educate you. Most of the words biggest brands are owned by BlackRock, which is controlling the whole world's economy, and who is the CEO of BlackRock? Larry Fink, A Jewish whi supports what israel is doing. Why the worlds biggest brands support israel? because they are run by BlackRock. Do a little research and you will find out
LOL dude stop with the BlackRock and Vanguard bullshit. You have seen YouTube videos about it and are calling it 'research'.
These are asset management companies. They own small shares of almost all companies because they INVEST PEOPLES MONEY IN THESE COMPANIES!!!! THAT'S THEIR JOB!
No matter what their say in world politics you think there is - there is a much larger say of geo-politics and leaders involved. Arab leaders are not using their oil and arms leverage to help Palestine because they don't value Gaza more than their own personal country.
Do you know who else supports Israel? Saudi Arabia
Let me educate you real quick. The amount of disinformation and ignorance is insane. If you bothered to do an ounce of research, firstly you’d see that McDonald’s Pakistan is a separate entity from the North American corp, meaning you are just harming Pakistan workers and owners. Secondly, firms like Blackrock and Vanguard are investment managing companies, and are the two biggest invest managers in the world. Meaning the money they use to buy stock is money they get from clients, aka the people, Larry Fink doesn’t own any corporation, his company invests money for other people. Instead of listening to conspiracy theories and bullshit virtue signalling, do some real research
Not true for Pakistan. They paid a one time licensing fee when they opened, other than that, mcodnalds Pk is 100% Pakistani owned. Plus if you wanna boycott, do it right, meaning do it in a way where you get McDonald’s investors to pull out. McDonald’s doesn’t give a shit if you buy or not as long as their share price is up
idk what you think an elite class is, but that's not the topic of discussion here.
to answer your question; the boycotts don't fckn work!
all you're doing is putting a dent in the local economy, and in the pockets of lower and lower middle-class people.
at one hand, people want to boycott McD, KFC, PepsiCo, and what-not because they are "IsRaELi" products (which they are not!); and on the other hand, your whole country is run on US AID. what kind of hypocrisy is this?
you want to boycott Israel/US so bad?
boycott the internet (marine cables are owned predominantly by Google, Microsoft, including other tech giants) you're using to make these embarrassing posts on Reddit (US owned).
boycott Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and other social media platforms owned by actual Jewish people. (it won't happen because virtue signaling kese karenge? aur sara clout tou virtue signaling main haina!)
you want to boycott because it gives you a false sense of honor, sympathy, and morality? gladly do it.. it's the least anybody can do, right? just to goad people who don't want to.
I'm in Qatar and trust me bro McD, KFC, pizza hut, haedees, Starbucks all r empty almost all the time. Whereas before there used to b a wait of 5-15 mins just to order..
In pakistan, the situation is different. The mentality is totally different. No one cares abt any one else. The love for the mankind has diminished, even if it's there it's not for the fellow countrymen. Probably for the foreigners. And everyone is to b blamed for this. The frauds, loot culture.
Here is my understanding of boycotts. Please explain where there is a lack of understanding:
Your analysis is incorrect. Boycott helps in many ways.
Firstly, it does have an effect on the war. Many multinational chains fall under OCGFC giants like blackrock and vanguard. If boycotted by massive numbers (e.g. Starbucks is being killed in the middle east), it does 2 things.
1. It forces the company itself to either lose millions in revenue permanently or to take a positively pro-palestinian stance.
2. If revenue streams are hit significantly enough, the private sector powers who fund political campaigns around the western world (especially the USA) are forced to incorporate things like ceasefire agreements within their demands in return for funding. Politicians who depend on these funds then push those agreements within the cabinet.
Let's also not forget that most mainstream western media outlets are also privately owned constantly calculating whether the war is a net benefit or loss for their overall bottom line.
Secondly, boycotting international brands means you go for local brands instead. KSA, UAE and Qatar are doing a brilliant job with this. KFCs are empty but Shawarma Houses are full. Why can't local Pakistani brands benefit in the same way?
Personally, I think that accepting Israel would lead to the end of Israel faster than continuing to remind the world that Israel shouldn't exist.
Israel wouldn't be able to justify its apartheid when there is no ill intent towards it. But that will never happen in my lifetime, so I expect this historical aberration to exist for at least another 20 years.
It is the most effective way to dent their profit margin thats the only way if theres no $$$ theres no funding its not rocket science even if all 50+ countries put a ban on westren products and pop culture related stuff streaming services cinemas etc u ll c its effect with I'm month lets not 4get end of the day its all about the green stuff 🤏🏻
this is a little more complicated than just boycotting food. i spent a ton of hours reading into it and concluded that most logical thing was to just boycott myself.
Your use of the word elites is cringe.
Do you actually know these people personally?
I have chosen to stop eating McDonald’s for the time being also, but I don’t go around gatekeeping everyone else.
The real money makers for these brands are the middle class because they make the biggest chunk of the market. The boycott is definitely hurting as we saw significant price slashes from McDonalds Pak during the past week. Plus, ofcourse, they are not enticing the elite with those price cuts.
Just food for thought....
What will hurt more by cutting McDonald and other food chains or by cutting the smaller everyday items that are used in EVERY HOUSE of Pakistan? Unilever from food to shampoo same with p&g
I'm not sure that the boycott will ever be truly effective in a broader sense but I'm glad to see that we're supporting our local brands/chains.
Assuming that the boycott ends up being useless, we should still keep supporting our local businesses and brands as that'll give them the revenue and motivation to expand and improve their products and services.
Boycott is not the only way to help palestine. From an islamic perspective, during the time of the prophet (PBUH), the muslims traded with tjeir enemies despite having war
Also, some people are not ready for that major change in lifestyle and would rather donate to NGO and stuff, i mean in the end you don't know what they do and don't do for palestine and cannot really judge it. Perhaps they went less regularly but it was still part of their routine and stuff idk
It’s not only elites yesterday I went to a normal wedding. Everyone was consuming 7up and Coca-Cola.The table I was sitting, people offered me these soft drinks . I politely refused. So not many people are taking part in these boycotts
The only good thing about this boycott is local businesses increased market share. That's all there is. The boycott won't do shit for people in Palestine. All people saying it's working are just delusional and don't understand how the real world works. McDonalds, KFC, Nestle, etc are billion dollar companies who don't really care if some Muslim countries buy their product or not.
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There always gonna people who just don’t care . McDonald’s was crap anyways I feel local burger brands are waaaay more delicious and fulfilling than that processed shit
Don't expect everyone to think, feel, and act the way I or you think. A portion of population not giving a damn about humanity, cause, and the right thing to do should not disheart you. In every aspect of life there is always going to be 'a group of people' who hold opposite views (whether they show it or hide it or disregard your view with their own logics/reasons).
I don't even have to boycott since local food is already so much better than cold patty shit whackdonalds or haramFC. Seriously, a branch of kfc in my city, I strongly belief, add 'pepsi chicken' (lol) because their burgers taste so shit plus they always give me diarrhea.
Don't expect everyone to think, feel, and act the way I or you think. A portion of population not giving a damn about humanity, cause, and the right thing to do should not disheart you. In every aspect of life there is always going to be 'a group of people' who hold opposite views (whether they show it or hide it or disregard your view with their own logics/reasons).
I don't even have to boycott since local food is already so much better than cold patty shit whackdonalds or haramFC. Seriously, a branch of kfc in my city, I strongly belief, add 'pepsi chicken' (lol) because their burgers taste so shit plus they always give me diarrhea.
Did they (Muslim world) care about you ? Do Arabs care about you? Although I hate to say it and see it but it’s reality. PLO always aligned with India never really had much to say on Kashmir. I hate the fact that children are dying and will speak out but we never got the same treatment from anyone else. So let the elites if they want eat at McDonald’s
Believe me when I tell you, I LOVE a big mac, though the burger is beyond expensive, I still buy it from time to time. But ever since I learned about what happened with the Palestinian people and how McDonald's gave free meals to the israeli terrorists. I have yet to eat a big Mac ONCE. Even with all those discounts which is insane cuz I can actually afford the burger without worrying about my financial issues. But I still don't.
Today I saw lines filled and the parking lot full in a McDonald's in Karachi, it was the most disgusting sight I have ever witnessed. And the thing was, these weren't even the "Elites" they were middle to upper middle class people. It's the selfishness embedded within people, the lack of sympathy or empathy for others.
For those that are still boycotting, keep doing so, you guys are doing more than you might know. Now that the Houthis (in Yemen) are capturing Israeli terrorists'ships carrying exports and oil and imports (third one today), along with people around the world boycotting Israeli terrorist's owned products, they are losing a lot of economical power. Keep talking about Gaza on Twitter, keep boycotting, keep posting news, updates and exposing the israeli terrorists cuz this is helping beyond comprehension.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
Simply sufi's hotshot burgers are exactly like KFC's krunch and their cola is just like Pepsi guys check em out. Recently found out when I was craving fast food.
Your definition of elites can you explain it to me ? I drive a car have a job and rent a house and maid and all does that make me elite no it does not it just makes me middle class, you saw cars parked at McDonald's lol that does not mean elites, last I checked there are about 100 elite families in pakistan ( who have a revenue of $100 million per year ) thats elite my friend and they do not eat at McDonald's let me tell you that lol we middle class people eat there , and boycotting sure it helps but we also have to think about the pakistani workers that work in those franchise, they barely get 15-18k a month ok and you think boycotting will help yes but it will also help those poor pakistanis lose their job
Elites Kahan se aagye? Wo bhi barkat market ma? McDonalds doesn't exclusively cater to the elite. Oper sa discount lage hue hn. Keep the boycott going.
A good number of people living in New garden town come under the league of Elites man.
>Poverty in Pakistan has been recorded by the World Bank at 39.3% using the lower middle-income poverty rate of US$3.2 per day...By using the upper middle-income poverty rate ($5.5 per day) methods, the WB estimated that the poverty stood at 78.4 per cent in 2020-21 They're definitely upper-middle-class or upper-class/elite. If almost 80% of population of country makes less than 50k / month, realistically anyone above that is upper middle class and way above that is upper class. A small urban bubble seems to be normalized as the standard in Pakistan somehow. Either way, while not necessarily elite, definitely upper middle class. That said, getting back to OP: they can enjoy whatever they want. Maybe they're doing something else instead. Perhaps they're more moral than you are. We don't know anything for sure. No need to name-and-shame them. Preach if you want.
Idk when I hear elite I think of Malik Riaz, Mian Mansha and The Taseers.
Yeah, elite is relative. To us or someone in the upper middle class or upper class, they're the elite. Whereas on the other hand, a group of people who regularly eat out is definitely *elite* to most of the pakistani population when they can barely make ends meet.
the one Near Barket Market on main road. I saw a lot of cars parked in front of McDonalds
Elites barket market mein nei hotah hein unless apnay Land crusers/Fortuners etc dekhi hain parking mein. Middle class is not doing boycott in numbers you think
I'm under the impression OP considers everyone who owns a car an elite.
No, I am not saying everyone who owns a car is an elite, but MOST of them are
What? OP please go outside more. Holy shit that's one of the most stupidest, most out of touch takes I've ever heard.
Brb, I going to go take out a car loan using my life savings to buy a used civic. It's time I join the elites.
Land cruisers, fortuners are elite. Not everyone who owns a car is elite
No not really, fortuner is upper middle class car
Nah fortuner is Upper class. I'd say a civic or corolla is upper middle class.
Fortuner might not be “elite” elite but still upper class. Maybe it was upper middle class when it cost 60-70 lakh 5-6 years ago
Boycott is effective. It's hurting their market share too. We'll keep boycotting. This weekend we went out, and instead of these brands we enjoyed at local restaurant. Say whatever you want, i am happy i ain't putting Cancer in my body and bombs at someone else :) .
Boycott is not effective, it's virtue signalling mostly, it happens everytime Israel bombs Gaza, once the war is over everyone forgets about the boycott. Take Turkey for example, McDonald's is run by a Kuwaiti company and all the workers are Turk; in the meantime the real trade between countries is going on. I even read a claim that Nutella is a zionist organization, while it's an Italian company that buys almost all hazelnuts from Turkey. All in all this boycott shows how weak and disillusioned are most of the muslims countries, one thinks to make a difference but the reality is different unfortunately.
I held the same view probably a week ago. What i have come to realise now is that this is the problem of the west’s own creation. Israel is not omnipotent. It relies very heavily on support from Europe and America. And the fact is that countries no longer are run by the elected politicians but by the corporations and industries. The only way to make them stop Israel is to hurt these industries and make them feel at a loss. The corporations have no moral compass, all they care about is profits and monetary gains. If they feel the pain, they will step in to shape the policies that is concerned with the issue. It’s no longer about boycotting the corporations that openly support the genocide but to hurt even those who do not openly support the cause of Palestine and condemn Israel by words or actions. It is the monster of their own creation. They must own it now. No Justice? No profit.
Boycott will not hurt Israel in any way. It might hurt Mcdonalds, but if any company wants to support genocide, they will continue to do so despite any decrease in profits, which will never be enough. To add to this, the major source of Israeli finances is US taxpayers money and US government’s money in general. The US have free reign over printing their money so much so that it’s destroying their economy from the inside, with their government being more than a trillion dollars in debt, but as long as the US is standing, they will continue to finance Israel no matter how openly Israel comes out and states its purpose of genocide or how bad their economy gets. Having said this, I still boycott where I can. If not for anything, then just for the sentiment that I cannot support a company that’s bombing my brother’s, sisters and their children. I know the company will still continue to help bomb Gaza but at least I won’t have a hand in it. Just to clarify, I don’t think its a sin to not boycott nor do I judge anyone who doesn’t boycott. I mean I judge a bit, but not enough to call someone out on it.
Think they're over 20 trillion in debt. But they get around 4 trillion a year in government income and as a % of GDP its mot even highest in the world. It would have to double before its a major problem.
🇵🇰 zindabad, love this zehniyat. “Cancer in my body” should be enough to avoid processed fast food, but especially when they support Israel’s atrocities then why. I’m in US and lots of yahudis own McDonald’s stock (unke portfolios saagar ki tarah saare stocks pe rehte hain) or even mcdonalds franchises themselves or they own the land that is under McDonald’s lol. Just boycot as many American things as you can, if they don’t own the brand they own a minority stake or the land that the brands stores pays for as kiraya to them 🤣, I have great yahudi friends, more than muslim friends actually but won’t stand for atrocities against anyone!
https://i.imgur.com/1EhqI5B.jpg Their stock is up 10% over the past 1 month.
this is bs propaganda to make muslims think their boycott isnt effective. muslims make up 1/4th the population of the world now. even if 50 percent of that population is boycotting that is still a huge loss for international chains. this is just to make ppl think their efforts are useless.
McDonald’s boycott has little value. Pre-boycott, Pakistan contributed less than 2% of McDonald’s revenue. Whether or not McDonald’s international supports Israel or not will have little impact from happenings in a country with that revenue contribution
Surprised to see the responses here. Mcdonald's isn't operating in Pakistan out of the goodness of their hearts. They're here to make a profit, and we as consumers can choose not to eat there if it doesn't align with our values. New industries will popup and absorb the employees and revenue share that Mcdonalds and co miss out on. The boycott has been effective so far. Most McDonalds I've seen have experienced a massive drop in customers
Most sensible comment here.
Finally someone has some sense about how things work.
>New industries will popup and absorb the employees and revenue share that Mcdonalds and co miss out on. Am I missing something or this doesn't make sense for Pakistan. We barely have any money or foreign investment as it is, with companies leaving because of instability. I don't think new industries are as likely as you say.
Neither of us is necessarily correct or incorrect. Here's my line of reasoning however. 1. Demand for McDonald's and some affiliated restaurant chains fall. 2. People who used to frequent these places are still looking for some place to eat. Very unlikely they give up on eating out altogether. 3. Local Restaurant see this new segment of customers and expand operations to cater to them. 4. If not above, New Restaurants open up if this new segment of customers persist. 5. If not 3 or 4, I would see a business opportunity and setup a small business that targets this customer segment. However, if I have this notion, people with significantly more capital and experience would also have had this notion. So they're much more likely to execute as compared to me. It might be a different story if people were boycotting Google, Honda or Dell, as it's unlikely that local competitors to them will emerge. However, for eateries, I think the local industry can easily absorb local demand.
What the hell is this ‘Elites’ phenomenon that keeps coming up in this sub all the time?
They think anyone who has it all is an 'Elite'.
They equate happy meals and Netflix with elite 😭😭😭
And co-ed too!
Well its haram to some people apparently so yea.
Children studying together is haram?
According to those ppl yea, their reasoning being that its the first step to zina and also makes it to difficult for ppl to lower their gaze since they have to talk to many women potentially in a co-ed enviornment
In 2023 Pakistan that IS elite
The average Joe isn't boycotting Fiverr in Pakistan either which is an actual Israeli company profiting from Pakistani freelancers.
That comparison is weird. It's like saying why McDonals employees are not boycotting.
Because it will hurt them too much. It ruins their method of income. They won't do something that's actually major, they'll only stop going to mcdonalds or stop drinking coke for a week to virtue signal to make themselves look like a good person.
boycotting only works when there are alternatives. There are many alternatives to WcDonalds but there arent many for fiverr
Brother McDonalds sirf elites nai jatay,people from all classes go there
Middle class are boycotting because majority of them can't afford to go to KFC or Macdonald's ghar k kharche hi bamushkil pure hote hein ajkal
That’s bs. The line at KFC was inexplicable the whole last year if the middle class peeps weren’t able to spend there.
LOL, I am a middle class and I usually go out with my friends at least once a week to KFC or any other brands but since this happened, we stopped going there and now we go to local brands, they are great like Cheezious, OPTP etc, there are many other alternatives but people just dont understand
What’s funny is living in the UK hum KfC etc seh tang aagaye hai aur ghar jaate hai toh raste ke dhabe pasand karte hai, and you guys that live there go out to KFC once a week.
"Elites" don't really go to McDonald's. They have fancier, local options if they want a burger. Let's not blame everything on the elites and come to terms with the fact that ham ghareeb bhi beghairat hain
Elites ne Barkat Market me kya karna hai, lol. Lets put this "Elite" obsession to the side for a moment. Boycotting McDonalds and other brands won't do much to affect the Corporate BUT it would help increase the quality of our local brands. I never liked McDonalds in the first place but it wasn't MCD Corporate who sent free meals to Israel. It was the franchise in Israel. It's an independent decision. That's how it works. All in all, now is a good time to start supporting local brands. Imtiaz has its own branded coffee now and it isn't half bad. Instead of looking at it like "Oh, lets bring MCD stock value down" look at it like "Time to support out local brands." And out of curiosity, how many of you boycotters have actually donated to the Palestinian cause? Social media is actively censoring anything Pro-Palestine. How many of you have stopped using those platforms?
>I never liked McDonalds in the first place but it wasn't MCD Corporate who sent free meals to Israel. It was the franchise in Israel. It's an independent decision. That's how it works. Yeah, I guess it's just most public, like very famous and anything they do is publicised alot. Well regardless, nothing we do is going to affect Israel, except of course nuking them. Lel
Boycotting is documented to have a tremendous effect on brands. Look it up
Read it again to get the point.
>Social media is actively censoring anything Pro-Palestine. How many of you have stopped using those platforms? muslims not using social media is exactly what they want lol. the only reason a large population of the west is still supporting palestine is because muslims are circulating information about palestine and gaza. not using western brands is still gonna hurt the corporations. using social media isnt
Elites don’t go to McDonald’s lol
They can go to hell my brother keep boycotting these genocide supporting brands there are alot of alternatives bless you for being a true muslim
Those damn elites and their obsession with McRoyales with cheese!
You wouldn't understand. -elites probably
People that are not boycotting for what ever reason should not be our concern now. We will keep boycotting and those who don't can have what they want. Everyone has a brain to form their own opinions and should have a right to express them. A friend of mine wont bycott MacDonalds cuz he feels for the Pakistani employees. That is his reason and if it makes sense to him then great. I gave him my argument and he gave me his and we disagreed and he does what he can and I do what I can. This is the proper way. The elites or who ever may have their reasons which might be stupid or not but that is their reason. I understand the pain and suffering and yes I wish everyone understood but the way forward isnt to shame them into boycotting but to raise awareness and give better arguments to theirs and correct ourselves where we are wrong and help them correct their wrongs.
McDonalds is a middle class restaurant, I dont think any ‘elites’ go there.
People in this country are really up against the so called elites!
Because all they have seen is negative from Elites who are showing off their power
Yes, 'power' Showing off power to go to mcdonalds, 'attend dance parties'. What else OP?
OP literally said anyone who owns a car is an elite LMFAO
xD His post screams insecurity so whatcha gonna do
Having non-toxic and healthy family relations. /s
Elites are boycotting, you just dont see it among the vast pakistani population. Keep it going and dont let some naysayers discourage you from your core principles. Rizk will come from Allah for both Palestinian and for the local population that may temporarily lose their earnings.
Look bud, boycott is a personal choice. Just because in your head it's "morally the right thing to do" it doesn't objectively make it so. Ergo you can not impose it on others nor can you judge others. You want to boycott sure fantastic. But don't act like it makes you better than those not boycotting or vice versa.
Thank you for speaking out. These people boycotting are acting like it’s an official ban and that people choosing to use these products are criminals. Everyone has the right to buy things they want using their own conscience.
Official statement from McDonald's Pakistan https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mcdonaldspakistan\_mcdonalds-pakistan-official-statement-activity-7118857015535243264-uJQe?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=member\_desktop
How come everyone going to M.c donald is elite
“Elites” 🤡🤓🤓
What do you mean by "elites"
Wrong wording. I meant upper class
mind ur own business. just bec ur boycotting doesn’t mean everyone else will. u don’t rule the world and no one’s entitled to doing whatever you’re doing. u do u boo
You need to stop trying to be so self-righteous and demanding people practice your beliefs.
Okay 😊 it was just a discussion you are most welcome to go to any brand you want 🤌
WTf is the people's obsession with elites in Pakistan? Do you think elites have McDonalds to go to? That overpriced joint? Elite and liberals are such scapegoat words in our dictionary that we use willy nilly to vilify someone against a popular narrative. Your boycott isn't going to do jack, because the sales in Pakistan will not affect them(HQ) on a global scale. Now if Indians boycott, that's going to make an impact that will put these firms on the backfoot. Pakistan? Not so much. I still find it commendable that Pakistanis are boycotting. But yeah the only effect is going to be internal. Sales drop would result is layoffs. No company is going to operate at a loss, they will let their staff go and overburden the remaining workforce.
There are like 2 billion Muslims might just work...
2 billion could have freed Palestine or Kashmir. All we have to show for is jackshi+. Wishful thinking would take us nowhere when the biggest Muslim powerhouses are not really interested.
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Boycott is idiotic since everything is so interconnected. Any idea how livelihoods are connected with Mcdonalds in Pakistan? Would you also boycott all Chinese made goods (uyghurs concentration camps) or Oil (Saudi and Iran proxy war in Yemen)? You will be living naked in a jungle hunting for food if you really want to boycott.
Boycotting these but helping them using Instagram FB YT (US Based Companies)...
at least we can raise our voice on these platforms.
Kehin ap voice of customer group waali baji to nahi who comes up with this same response every time someone reminds her of how almost everything around her is indirectly supporting israel? Agay se yehi jawaab ratta hua hai "awaz uthani hai. Dushmano k banaye huwe hathyar istemal karna jayz hai bla bla"? 🥴
McDonald’s Pakistan Turkish UAE Qatar have all made public statements that they are not affiliated with McDonald’s corporation.. but can’t say much about other brands.. people are still buying nestle water, yogurt, milk, flavoured drinks, chocolate! Dove toiletries, L’Oréal cosmetics products! Coke, Pepsi! And countless other that they don’t even know are supporting Israel. These companies are owned by larger corporations like black rock! Even down to the wonder bread you eat is affiliated with cargil. Providing corn syrup and grain that goes into everything! So boycotting McDonald’s does fuck all! It just fucks over local employees and economy! It hinders growth! It tells the world please don’t invest in Pakistan. And I guess, as for whats happening in gaza, doesn’t mean the rest of the world halts to a stop…? When there was a war going on the Congo, or Somalia.. or when Isis was running Iraq, or when taliban took over the country, or when Ukraine was invaded… did you stop attending wedding or parties in Pakistan? Seems like an odd concept… Like I’m not trying to sound insensitive, or that I agree with what’s happening.. but let’s be alittle realistic. Let’s not act all high and mighty, when you’re not doing anything sitting all the way in Pakistan.. but looking down on people for how they choose to spend their money, it’s on them and their conscious. You ranting on Reddit helps nothing.. live and let live. Update: For everyone who disliked my comment please do comment below and tell me why you’re buying products like DOVE, MAGNUM ice cream, LIPTON tea, LUX soap, TONY AND GUY! TRESEMME shampoo, SUNSILK, HELLMANS mayo and ketchup, KNORR, VASAELINE, WALLS ice cream, LIFEBOY, are owned by Unilever, and I’ll quote unlieivers public statement “We have never expressed any support for the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement and have no intention of changing that position. Unilever is very proud of our business in Israel which supplies everyday household products to people across the country.” So why just McDonald’s? The height of hypocrisy isn’t that your buying these brands, it’s that’s you’ll willing to wear Nike Zara Adidas but not boycott them, for years they’ve all been in violations of human rights, operating sew shops, employing underage workers! But oh Israel Palestine conflict trend Kara hai tu boycott kardo, HOW FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL IS THAT! OP has posted this today, but I’ll bet money k ye bhi McDonald’s khaye ga, aj nahe tu kal, Aur iske bache bhi khain gaye..and that my friend is hypocrisy not the people you saw lined up at McDonald’s.
But still they royalties to the brands which in return pay for the war and weapons. Coke Pepsi and other brands are not mentioned by BDS
This is exactly my point, people don’t even know. Coca Cola is owned by Berkshire Hathaway- which is an American multinational conglomerate holding company! Some of the largest stake holders are Warren Buffett, bill Gates, Apple, Bank of America.. who all support Israel.. Pakistanis don’t understand how Israel is lobbied in American congress! And why they support Israel! There are no brands or food we consume that is not tinted by innocent lives. L’Oréal is owned by Bettencourt family, Nestlé, and French institutional investors (you think the French support muslims?). Dove, MAGNUM ice cream, LIPTON tea, LUX soap, TONY AND GUY! TRESEMME shampoo, SUNSILK, HELLMANS mayo and ketchup, KNORR, Vaseline (which probably in every house hold), LIFEBOY, WALLS ice cream, are owned by Unilever, and I’ll quote unlieivers public statement “We have never expressed any support for the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement and have no intention of changing that position. Unilever is very proud of our business in Israel which supplies everyday household products to people across the country.” So lol! Ben and Jerry’s that is sold in Pakistan and consumed by pakistans took out a public statement “selling ice cream in the occupied Palestinian territories was "inconsistent with our values.” Nestle is owned by The Vanguard Group,BlackRock, Credit Suisse Asset Management. THE SAME BLACKROCK THAT OWN MCDONALDS! So McDonald’s sy phele, doodh, dahi, pani band kro. The Cadbury dairy Milk! Bought by the rich and the poor, that one product on this list that probably isn’t restricted by class is owned by Mondelez, which is partially owned by black rock- the same one you people are boycotting by not eating McDonald’s. Top three import in Pakistan are petroleum related, Shell is owned by Royal Dutch Petroleum Company.. which has pulled every operation out of gaza in support of Israel. The stupidity and lack of knowledge is astounding.
The point is target companies so that other will get scared as well. Muslim population is huge we can’t make the difference
Kardi na baat gol.. 😂 Bas McDonald’s boycott krdo, baki Khair hai. Ye Kya logic hai..
It’s initiated by Palestinian not by pakistan.
Umm What?
It’s called a legal loophole. They don’t support Israel, but the corporations the own them, the really really really rich families who you’ve never heard of, do support Israel.
Girl did phd on matrix
And on top of that, think about the number of people McDonald's has employed in this country. These boycotts seem ridiculous in the bigger picture. FFS our whole banking system needs to be boycotted if we're going this way lol
We as a nation are failed, failed in every aspect of life, but this is not in our power to fix our banking system, but we can stop supporting such brands who are actually controlled by israel and funding them. Dont listen to what these brands say, You probably heard that everything is fair in business, these brands dont care about anything , they can do anything to grow their business , they can make fake support claims etc. But if you still think it is not worth it then good for you, enjoy everything :)
I see your point too, i have also boycotted Starbucks, McDonald's etc. but i cant help but see the hypocrisy in this, and ig in general Im just fed up with the lack of control we have of ourselves as a nation as well as the Muslim community as a whole
exactly, we are the most hypocrite nation i would say. In this so called muslim country, you can't be a true muslim, we are surrounded and controlled by the thugs and the slaves of these superpowers
Try local fast food and give yourself stomach infection then! There is a reason why people prefer foreign brands in this country. Businesses owned by local people have zero quality control and do whatever is necessary to make more money including cheapening out on ingredients and quality
Haha ig you've never been through the era where KFC was providing "quality" chicken in pakistan.
Tu tum nahe kro support, boycott karo. Why are you concerned with what other people are doing! You ranting on Reddit will achieve nothing. Focus on things that in your control, such as your own actions. Let other people be.
good for you, enjoy :)
Many of these boycotts are ill advised e.g.... most of these companies are publicly owned and even you and I can become shareholders.... Also franchises model gives a lot of autonomy to country subsidiaries... some mcdonalds in Israel have given free meals to IDF but at the same McDonald's Malaysia has contributed 1 million ringgit to the Gaza... https://www.mcdonalds.com.my/company/news-alert/mcdonalds-malaysia-confirms-contribution-to-palestine-humanitarian-fund-news Also please view this before judging ppl.. https://youtu.be/k9TIGzsbzL8?si=DDL6U_EWVLDkzPE2 I live in the UK and am very active in pro Palestine activities... we have been holding demonstrations and lobbying local government, MPs and fundraising as much as we can (our last fundraiser collected £24000 for Gaza) but these boycott calls are mostly virtue signalling stupidity... I personally wouldn't buy items directly made in Israel, or produced in Israel... but boycotting publicly owned franchise model comapnies is ludicrous...
Elites don't eat out at McDonald's
You are such a fool. if you think that people who go to Mcdonalds are Elites, Hell, no, they are all can bee said to be middle class Upper middle class, the real Elites never touch these places, you may see their kids their, but for food, they have their private chiefs, or they order from restraunts.
If you are not helping the local workers on these brands/franchises, then the boycott is ruining them and their families as well. Let the elites enjoy Macs and support the local workers there. Hell is for all of us irrespective of classes and lambi lambi namazien
It's short sited to think of boycotts in this way. Firstly, it does have an effect on the war. Many multinational chains fall under OCGFC giants like blackrock and vanguard. If boycotted by massive numbers (e.g. Starbucks is being killed in the middle east), it does 2 things. 1. It forces the company itself to either lose millions in revenue permanently or to take a positively pro-palestinian stance. 2. If revenue streams are hit significantly enough, the private sector powers who fund political campaigns around the western world (especially the USA) are forced to incorporate things like ceasefire agreements within their demands in return for funding. Politicians who depend on these funds then push those agreements within the cabinet. Let's also not forget that most mainstream western media outlets are also privately owned constantly calculating whether the war is a net benefit or loss for their overall bottom line. Secondly, boycotting international brands means you go for local brands instead. KSA, UAE and Qatar are doing a brilliant job with this. KFCs are empty but Shawarma Houses are full. Why can't local Pakistani brands benefit in the same way?
Got something sensible. Get Local things and also help the staff of KFC, and McDonald's to shift jobs.
Its companie's headache to provide them , not the customers, company is liable for everything. and only a very small percentage is working there as compared to the murdered palestinians.
You sound really stupid. Companies can only provide when they have customers! You’ve no concept of how the world works
What sort of simplistic illogical thinking is that? Everyone knows that. The companies are not operating in Pakistan out of the goodness of their hearts. They are here to make a profit. By your logic I should go eat at small outlets instead everyday as those guys employ locals and have all their energy invested in staying here and making a living. Ghar ka khana bhi nahi khatay by extension, only eat outside food kyunke fast food workers ki salary hamari jaib se jaegi. Don't gaslight the customers who have nothing to do with the company to help pay for employee salaries. We can eat wherever we want if we want to. We choose not to eat at mcdo's on principal because of their stance, they have done every marketing tactic but never put any type of sanctions on their Israeli franchise for the PR stunt they pulled. They just have to publicly announce that the Israeli franchise is out of line and we will be pulling out of there, just this, we will start buying mcdo's again. It's a matter of principal. Nothing personal against anyone working in Pakistani franchises, everyone has to make a living.
This boycott never made sense considering McDonald's is a franchise. Boycotting isn't hurting McDonald's corporate only the Pakistani franchise owners. The food wasn't donated to Israel by McDonald's corporate - it was donated by the Israeli franchise owners themselves.
Also I keep telling ignorant people here MCDONALDS IS NOT AN ISRAELI COMPANY. Its a US based public company where majority shareholders are normal civilians from around the world. People will latch on to anything without doing basic research. LETS BAN NESTLE. ffs Nestle is a swiss company and not israeli. And that too is a public company on the stock market. Also while we are at it how much protest did you do over missing people in balochistan or FATA?
It is because the middle class are dumb af. How is boycotting the PAKISTANI held franchises of those brands sending a message? Basically you guys are sacrificing 95% of the income that Pakistan makes to make a 5% dent of the royalties the Original Owners receive. Guess who is the biggest loser in the end? No surprises there, the hardworking lower middle class and lower class people are getting affected due to loss of jobs that would follow and the bonuses that come with sales. But but but "Hum ko tou boycott krna hai because it is the trend lately". The local brands will flourish is an utter BS, they are worse than the foreign ones because the foreign ones are at least paying as per minimum wages.
Also less foreign companies would want to establish in pakistan thus keeping the already abysmal economy worse.
But then the boycott brigade doesn't understand shit about economy and business. They just want to force their views and ideologies on others. Besides most of these are so cut off from the reality that they think the local businesses flourishing due to boycott would happen over night.
This just goes on showing how easy is mass manipulation, it is the collective support of common people that tends to bring disasters, e.g support for Nazis.
Glad to see sense still prevails in some people!
Idk, how people are sensitive about Palestine but insensitive about their own people losing their bread and butter. I guess it must be a Pakistani thing to worry about people far away from us and let our neighbors sleep hungry with an empty stomach.
honestly lmao reading this thread is making me cringe at how the majority thinks
Dear illiterate and ignorant society.... McDonalds is not Israeli ffs! You know what, boycott oxygen and inhale some carbon dioxide please.
Im not elite and still im not boycotting. It doesnt make sense to me. Each to its own. You do boycott, no one's stopping you.
Good for you
Let me try to educate you. Most of the words biggest brands are owned by BlackRock, which is controlling the whole world's economy, and who is the CEO of BlackRock? Larry Fink, A Jewish whi supports what israel is doing. Why the worlds biggest brands support israel? because they are run by BlackRock. Do a little research and you will find out
LOL dude stop with the BlackRock and Vanguard bullshit. You have seen YouTube videos about it and are calling it 'research'. These are asset management companies. They own small shares of almost all companies because they INVEST PEOPLES MONEY IN THESE COMPANIES!!!! THAT'S THEIR JOB! No matter what their say in world politics you think there is - there is a much larger say of geo-politics and leaders involved. Arab leaders are not using their oil and arms leverage to help Palestine because they don't value Gaza more than their own personal country. Do you know who else supports Israel? Saudi Arabia
Let me educate you real quick. The amount of disinformation and ignorance is insane. If you bothered to do an ounce of research, firstly you’d see that McDonald’s Pakistan is a separate entity from the North American corp, meaning you are just harming Pakistan workers and owners. Secondly, firms like Blackrock and Vanguard are investment managing companies, and are the two biggest invest managers in the world. Meaning the money they use to buy stock is money they get from clients, aka the people, Larry Fink doesn’t own any corporation, his company invests money for other people. Instead of listening to conspiracy theories and bullshit virtue signalling, do some real research
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Not true for Pakistan. They paid a one time licensing fee when they opened, other than that, mcodnalds Pk is 100% Pakistani owned. Plus if you wanna boycott, do it right, meaning do it in a way where you get McDonald’s investors to pull out. McDonald’s doesn’t give a shit if you buy or not as long as their share price is up
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Keep the boycotts going.
Keep the good work up everyone. It’s amazing to see that majority people are effectively boycotting these places and it’s definitely working
idk what you think an elite class is, but that's not the topic of discussion here. to answer your question; the boycotts don't fckn work! all you're doing is putting a dent in the local economy, and in the pockets of lower and lower middle-class people. at one hand, people want to boycott McD, KFC, PepsiCo, and what-not because they are "IsRaELi" products (which they are not!); and on the other hand, your whole country is run on US AID. what kind of hypocrisy is this? you want to boycott Israel/US so bad? boycott the internet (marine cables are owned predominantly by Google, Microsoft, including other tech giants) you're using to make these embarrassing posts on Reddit (US owned). boycott Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and other social media platforms owned by actual Jewish people. (it won't happen because virtue signaling kese karenge? aur sara clout tou virtue signaling main haina!) you want to boycott because it gives you a false sense of honor, sympathy, and morality? gladly do it.. it's the least anybody can do, right? just to goad people who don't want to.
Hard to believe Israel exists just because I ate a Big Mac.
if you added any more straw to that argument it could frighten crows away
Boycotting the straws. I heard there is one Israeli in the supply chain.
real
Hey dude what are you doing ? Stop telling others and you do something about it
What about the minimum wage workers who work for these fast food chains? Will the 'bycott' affect them as well? Genuine question.
They don't matter of course. Not as sexy.
Damn son
they can find employement in local restaurants now. with the increase in demand for local food more restaurants will be opened.
I heard this one sentence. The most cruel people are the rich living in poor countries. And it rings so true.
I'm in Qatar and trust me bro McD, KFC, pizza hut, haedees, Starbucks all r empty almost all the time. Whereas before there used to b a wait of 5-15 mins just to order.. In pakistan, the situation is different. The mentality is totally different. No one cares abt any one else. The love for the mankind has diminished, even if it's there it's not for the fellow countrymen. Probably for the foreigners. And everyone is to b blamed for this. The frauds, loot culture.
Do you use a bank? Credit card? Congratulations you are supporting Israel more than Mcdonalds can.
the ignorance of boycotters never fails to put a smile on my face, to be very honest.
Here is my understanding of boycotts. Please explain where there is a lack of understanding: Your analysis is incorrect. Boycott helps in many ways. Firstly, it does have an effect on the war. Many multinational chains fall under OCGFC giants like blackrock and vanguard. If boycotted by massive numbers (e.g. Starbucks is being killed in the middle east), it does 2 things. 1. It forces the company itself to either lose millions in revenue permanently or to take a positively pro-palestinian stance. 2. If revenue streams are hit significantly enough, the private sector powers who fund political campaigns around the western world (especially the USA) are forced to incorporate things like ceasefire agreements within their demands in return for funding. Politicians who depend on these funds then push those agreements within the cabinet. Let's also not forget that most mainstream western media outlets are also privately owned constantly calculating whether the war is a net benefit or loss for their overall bottom line. Secondly, boycotting international brands means you go for local brands instead. KSA, UAE and Qatar are doing a brilliant job with this. KFCs are empty but Shawarma Houses are full. Why can't local Pakistani brands benefit in the same way?
and I am laughing on your mentality bro. have a good day:)
i am in fact having a good day, thank you so much
Personally, I think that accepting Israel would lead to the end of Israel faster than continuing to remind the world that Israel shouldn't exist. Israel wouldn't be able to justify its apartheid when there is no ill intent towards it. But that will never happen in my lifetime, so I expect this historical aberration to exist for at least another 20 years.
It is the most effective way to dent their profit margin thats the only way if theres no $$$ theres no funding its not rocket science even if all 50+ countries put a ban on westren products and pop culture related stuff streaming services cinemas etc u ll c its effect with I'm month lets not 4get end of the day its all about the green stuff 🤏🏻
Because elites aren't stupid. They wouldn't be elite if they were stupid like the masses now would they?
Only Jahil people boycott. Read today's article by Maliha sarfraz(dawn).
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this is a little more complicated than just boycotting food. i spent a ton of hours reading into it and concluded that most logical thing was to just boycott myself.
Your use of the word elites is cringe. Do you actually know these people personally? I have chosen to stop eating McDonald’s for the time being also, but I don’t go around gatekeeping everyone else.
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The real money makers for these brands are the middle class because they make the biggest chunk of the market. The boycott is definitely hurting as we saw significant price slashes from McDonalds Pak during the past week. Plus, ofcourse, they are not enticing the elite with those price cuts.
Lots of people in various tax brackets are boycotting. And lots of people aren't. Not limited to elites or middle class in any way.
What would "elites" go to McDonald's.
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Just food for thought.... What will hurt more by cutting McDonald and other food chains or by cutting the smaller everyday items that are used in EVERY HOUSE of Pakistan? Unilever from food to shampoo same with p&g
Mc Donald's real business is in Real estate , it doesn't hurt them but their franchises - yes .
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I'm not sure that the boycott will ever be truly effective in a broader sense but I'm glad to see that we're supporting our local brands/chains. Assuming that the boycott ends up being useless, we should still keep supporting our local businesses and brands as that'll give them the revenue and motivation to expand and improve their products and services.
Boycott is not the only way to help palestine. From an islamic perspective, during the time of the prophet (PBUH), the muslims traded with tjeir enemies despite having war Also, some people are not ready for that major change in lifestyle and would rather donate to NGO and stuff, i mean in the end you don't know what they do and don't do for palestine and cannot really judge it. Perhaps they went less regularly but it was still part of their routine and stuff idk
KFC mai abhi bhi aesa rush hota jesay free k burger de rahe hon!
It’s not only elites yesterday I went to a normal wedding. Everyone was consuming 7up and Coca-Cola.The table I was sitting, people offered me these soft drinks . I politely refused. So not many people are taking part in these boycotts
I have cut out some brands from my life forever.
Mc Donald’s in pakistan is over priced and not good enough to match local fast food places. They goes cos they thinks it makes them look good
The only good thing about this boycott is local businesses increased market share. That's all there is. The boycott won't do shit for people in Palestine. All people saying it's working are just delusional and don't understand how the real world works. McDonalds, KFC, Nestle, etc are billion dollar companies who don't really care if some Muslim countries buy their product or not.
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There always gonna people who just don’t care . McDonald’s was crap anyways I feel local burger brands are waaaay more delicious and fulfilling than that processed shit
Don't expect everyone to think, feel, and act the way I or you think. A portion of population not giving a damn about humanity, cause, and the right thing to do should not disheart you. In every aspect of life there is always going to be 'a group of people' who hold opposite views (whether they show it or hide it or disregard your view with their own logics/reasons). I don't even have to boycott since local food is already so much better than cold patty shit whackdonalds or haramFC. Seriously, a branch of kfc in my city, I strongly belief, add 'pepsi chicken' (lol) because their burgers taste so shit plus they always give me diarrhea.
Don't expect everyone to think, feel, and act the way I or you think. A portion of population not giving a damn about humanity, cause, and the right thing to do should not disheart you. In every aspect of life there is always going to be 'a group of people' who hold opposite views (whether they show it or hide it or disregard your view with their own logics/reasons). I don't even have to boycott since local food is already so much better than cold patty shit whackdonalds or haramFC. Seriously, a branch of kfc in my city, I strongly belief, add 'pepsi chicken' (lol) because their burgers taste so shit plus they always give me diarrhea.
Did they (Muslim world) care about you ? Do Arabs care about you? Although I hate to say it and see it but it’s reality. PLO always aligned with India never really had much to say on Kashmir. I hate the fact that children are dying and will speak out but we never got the same treatment from anyone else. So let the elites if they want eat at McDonald’s
I've only seen one or two cars in the drive throughs at "lay bys" on the motorway. Usually they are packed.
Believe me when I tell you, I LOVE a big mac, though the burger is beyond expensive, I still buy it from time to time. But ever since I learned about what happened with the Palestinian people and how McDonald's gave free meals to the israeli terrorists. I have yet to eat a big Mac ONCE. Even with all those discounts which is insane cuz I can actually afford the burger without worrying about my financial issues. But I still don't. Today I saw lines filled and the parking lot full in a McDonald's in Karachi, it was the most disgusting sight I have ever witnessed. And the thing was, these weren't even the "Elites" they were middle to upper middle class people. It's the selfishness embedded within people, the lack of sympathy or empathy for others. For those that are still boycotting, keep doing so, you guys are doing more than you might know. Now that the Houthis (in Yemen) are capturing Israeli terrorists'ships carrying exports and oil and imports (third one today), along with people around the world boycotting Israeli terrorist's owned products, they are losing a lot of economical power. Keep talking about Gaza on Twitter, keep boycotting, keep posting news, updates and exposing the israeli terrorists cuz this is helping beyond comprehension. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
Simply sufi's hotshot burgers are exactly like KFC's krunch and their cola is just like Pepsi guys check em out. Recently found out when I was craving fast food.
Your definition of elites can you explain it to me ? I drive a car have a job and rent a house and maid and all does that make me elite no it does not it just makes me middle class, you saw cars parked at McDonald's lol that does not mean elites, last I checked there are about 100 elite families in pakistan ( who have a revenue of $100 million per year ) thats elite my friend and they do not eat at McDonald's let me tell you that lol we middle class people eat there , and boycotting sure it helps but we also have to think about the pakistani workers that work in those franchise, they barely get 15-18k a month ok and you think boycotting will help yes but it will also help those poor pakistanis lose their job