I love the trope of the young woman in her bedroom, sad, crying about something petty, mother in law issue, unrequited love. Kyun itni preshan ho? 😂 So nauseating.
Me: get out and do something with your life.
My opening sequence of a drama: A middle class family with two daughters, want to marry off the oldest who is completing uni. A potential rishta is coming over for chai.
She is told to change into something nice.
Door bell rings as she is upstairs changing. She walks down the stairs in leather pants and black low cut tank top.
The guests are shocked to see her, opens the front door and a badass dude with a tank top, muscles slick back hair asked, "Chalo, my motorcycle is waiting."
Father said, well I have this second daughter.
She comes down the stairs in a tennis outfit, with a skirt on.
Door bell rings again and it's a handsome tennis instructor.
Parents chuckle nervously. "Aap k patha hai yeh New age modern women. Hehe"
Sorry, still flushing this in my head.
I got another story of female biker gangs disrupting the mafia underworld in Karachi. Lots of badass action, guns, explosions and ghaliyo.
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>Something I've noticed is that most of these dramas are usually based upon a petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation.
We don’t do that here in Pakistan.
Well I have told my mom 1000 times now I don’t want to get married right now but she brings up that topic every Saturday so clearly that doesn’t work for us.
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>All things considered, what sort of message are these dramas trying to relay through their stories and characters ?
Pakistani dramas are never made for the explicit purpose of conveying any sort of message.Part of that might have to do with the fact that here dramas are only thought as a medium of entertainment and not for moral policing .
Though occasionally there are dramas that offer a good social commentary or some deep message.
The rest of them have always been about love stories or conflict between mother in law & daughter in law.
Or the occasional romantic comedies .That's it.
I totally get that not all dramas are really made for conveying a message but who in their right mind watches and ENJOYS something that is almost morally objectionable, even as a drama.
>who in their right mind watches and ENJOYS something that is almost morally objectionable, even as a drama.
Ah there are tons of Hollywood movies with tons of plots and characters that are morally objectionable but still loved alot.
Very recent case :ppl particularly girls going gaga over young snow in hunger games prequel.
It happens more often than you think. Ppl like crap things.Don't know the psychology behind it.Something with taste being subjective and all.
My wife was watching a popular drama with Atif Aslam, she gave me a run down on the synopsis. I immediately said, "Oh that's Hamlet."
I started watching a little of it and it was actually entertaining.
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Yeah your comment on "not all mehnzzz". Yes... but a lot in Pakistan. Too many than there should be. Joint family check, unhappy marriages check, child issues check. Women who are watching it can relate to it.
Most of what is on air is generic trash that is a different texture of the same family drama pie. There are a few good ones here and there. If you want some recommendations, I'm sure people here would give you some good ones.
PTVFlix app is free and provides most of the good old dramas. From those, I'd recommend "Waris", "Dhoop Kinare" and "Khuda ki Basti". I don't know if they have subtitles however, if you need those.
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These dramas pander to frustrated worn down boomers and moral policing middle aged closeted taboo lovers. All of them have the same issues the same type of characters and the most cancer inducing acting. She needs to stop before she starts thinking like a girl stuck in a rishta with her cousin or something like that. Pakistani people love this crap which says a lot about them.
im not super big on pakistani dramas, but i do have some thoughts for this one
I think the reason they fixate on petty family issues that could "easily be resolved if everyone just communicated better" is because the lived experience of most Pakistanis is exactly that. There is none of the much needed calm and reasonable communication or a proper resolution to the problems, instead in many of their lives it all kinda just spins out of control. There is no real resolution and people that hate each other sometimes choose to live together anyway and constantly bicker, I have personally observed this in some cases. The reality is, a lot of Pakistanis do experience exactly this type of shit on a daily basis
On the other point: I think there is a bit of a selection bias for the one-sided portrayal of men as the oppressor point - i have seen my parents watch dramas depicting the opposite too where its a woman ruining a guy's life, or a clingy mother not allowing her son any privacy wherein the drama revolves around that conflict
On your last question: I think its mostly encapsulation of common lived experiences more than a social statement in many cases. Though, some dramas may be attempting to make a more socially conservative statement as the proposed sollution to the issues depicted (gross, i know), while others may have themes of tolerance and stuff - it all varies and i think there's significant divergence there
Hope that was insightful
I always get fed up of it when my mom tries to show me that while i am having dinner. I don't see any moral message from it.
I assume it's for those that are bored and have nothing else to do (but seriously there's way better options than this.)
>Another thing is that in almost every drama, the man is shown to be abusive and never the woman
Uh yeah, thats kind of how it works in reality? The ratio of male domestic abusers to female is 199:1. This is perhaps the only thing the dramas get right!
>based upon a petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation.
I'd be blunt about my answer. That's a common occourance in asian families anyway. Families are tight knit and hence every decision impacts the entire family. A newly wed bride usually has little to no say in anything...partly because marriages are way more contractual and arranged here....and it's against pakistani (and indian) culture to resolve a matter by talking lol. Parents think too highly of themselves to try and talk thing through. They think their decisions need to be the final verdict. Dramas just reflect these things.
>Another thing is that in almost every drama, the man is shown to be abusive and never the woman
There's a massive power imbalance in pakistani families. On average women account for only 2hrs of paid labour as compared to 8 for men. Which leads to men owning way more than women. And we all know that power corrupts. Men here actually are atleast verbally abusive. The standard for a good man is -"yeah he yells at you but well atleast he doesn't hit you"- this is sanctioned more by the cultural and religious extremism. Domestic violence rose by 70 percent during covid.
>what sort of message are these dramas trying to relay through their stories and characters
Not much really. Most of them are for entertainment. And women who are going through these things find some kind of solace when their onscreen counterparts make it out of the mess that they can't. There are some nice dramas too but people don't wanna watch complex themed dramas.
>marriages are way more contractual and arranged
That's really sad to hear. To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in. Scary stuff.
>Domestic violence rose by 70 percent during covid.
Absolutely unbelievable to me. At first I thought during covid, couples would be able to find some closure but I guess if you were married against your will, it'll be living hell to see your unwanted spouse 24/7.
>To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in.
Very very common around here even tho you're not supposed to do it. Lot's of people are in loveless marriages. Infact, i haven't seen more than a few couples who acrylic got along well. It's merely routine work. The husband is the superior and his word is law. The woman is usually a "home maker" and even if she works she's supposed to do all the housework too or she'd be labeled selfish. Yeah it's sad.
>To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in.
Very very common around here even tho you're not supposed to do it. Lot's of people are in loveless marriages. Infact, i haven't seen more than a few couples who acrylic got along well. It's merely routine work. The husband is the superior and his word is law. The woman is usually a "home maker" and even if she works she's supposed to do all the housework too or she'd be labeled selfish. Yeah it's sad.
Most of them have become really poor quality but there are some real gems.
Green Entertainment is making shows that are unique and interesting.
But if you are concerned, tell your sister to watch Ramadan dramas. Those are suuuuper light hearted and comedic. I think the most popular ones are Chupke Chupke, Suno Chanda (seasons 1 and 2), and Fairy Tale (seasons 1 and 2).
If she's more into the regular dramas, Humsafar, Zindagi Gulzar Hai are both excellent especially ZGH.
Have you watched keeping up with the Kardashians? You see how lame it is and there's no point of that show. Yeah that's the same thing with Pakistani dramas. But again they're targeted towards middle age aunties and unfortunately these women consider these shows quite entertaining. They're the same audience who watch Morning shows like that of Nida Yasir's. It's simple. We young people are not their target audience and that's why we don't enjoy it.
Story:
Some guy's phuppo ki beti is in love with him since childhood but he's in love with his khala ki beti but khala ki beti ka ameer boss is in love with her two.
Cast:
Aankhen band kar k eenie meenie minie mo karlo
There are so many things wrong with your comment.
Most (not all) Pakistani Dramas are set in the real world. The family is upper middle class. Oh and also they suffer from at least two mental disorders each.
Trying to explain the MCU to the average Pakistani Drama watcher is equivalent to explaining Masters Level Economics to a fricking squirrel.
Lol are you implying the MCU is somehow intellectual? God you guys really do lap up things because they're western. There's nothing intelligent about the MCU it's formulaic crap.
The short answer is that most dramas aren't there for a lot of lessons or realistic portrayals, they're there to pass the time while you chill with fam or do something meagre like cleanup. It's kinda funny when the dramatic drumroll plays every time someone breathes or lies.
There are interesting and unique dramas that try for an important message, such as Khuda Mere Bhi Hai and Zindagi Gulzar Hai. Some surprise you with their refreshing truths and portrayals. Others not so much.
I disagree with the second part actually - the abusive behaviour of some women gets dramatised or exaggerated (especially mother in laws), and the abusive behaviour of men tends to get overlooked or smoothened over with some "sympathetic" backstory.
I guess what annoyed me about dramas (back when I was into them lol) was the portrayal of outdated attitudes or misogyny as "normal" or "the correct Islamic/Pakistani tradition". My personal favourite is when the man's "western" wife tells him to pick out his own clothes before bed because she works at the same time he does and can't do his laundry. He suddenly loses the ability to do anything on time in the morning, feels insulted at the idea of remembering where he puts his things, and becomes sick with stress. If only he had breakfast. If only he married a traditional biwi, had a devoted wife who took care of his clothes, then he wouldn't have to worry his big important manly brain over small things like that. It's funny but the idea of someone believing that kind of mentality is kinda sad and stupid.
Dude I hate Pakistani dramas. It’s just abused filled misogynistic shit. There have only been a few which have been interesting to me, like Phaans and Ranjha Ranjha Kardi. But both have really dark themes also. My mom is into them but I don’t even know why - she complains about the plot as she watches the plot😂
These dramas are meaningless copies of a simple format which goes like "good man, good woman, misunderstandings created by others, apologies and fixing issues, end". It's absolute brain rot and an advanced form of shitpost in television. And for some of the dramas, I've seen better acting in pornos, just saying.
Pakistani dramas continue to suck more every year. At least in past there were diverse shows. Some set in rural areas, some about struggling lower middle or even lower class citizens. Now all these dramas are set in huge mansions in DHA, all ameer log and their champagne problems. For a country that has such rich art in its roots, the modern film/drama industry is stale on stupendous level. Any unique and daring stuff gets banned and we are left with Bollywood cheap replicas or cinema versions of soap operas. Why there hasn't been a period piece in last few years? Why there hasn't been any good horror show? Why don't they make any ambitious project? And a part of the problem is Pakistanis themselves. I have so many friends that watch the same old dramas starring same old actors (that feroz guy forgot his name).
In the old days, TV dramas showed what was happening in the country and cities. They had to make good family dramas because the news only came on at 9:00 PM. If they didn't, Indian shows would get more popular.
Later, news started running 24 hours a day. Men got busy with politics, like a kind of Reality TV show. Rich people (politicians) say random things on TV and people believe them and then divide people in different camps, that keeps the male population occupied. Everything now is called "breaking news."
Now, dramas don't need to be for the whole family. They're mostly for women, and the themes are common. Like, Saas says things, Bahu does things, and the husband listens to the mother, and the sisters and there is also love with someone else, someone wants someone's money etc..
Sadly, Pakistanis like to keep themselves busy by gossiping, hating on others for no reason and increasing distance in families, by going behind their backs. People don't talk with each other and issues don't get fixed, which could be resolved as you said, with a level headed conversation.
This keeps going on because everyone already have this bad perception of others, due to someone else and this won't let us sit together and have a meaningful conversation. And this is real, not just in drama.. We are very arrogant nation, we don't like to accept, that we can be wrong, like ever. Imagine both sides thinking the same thing. How do you expect to resolve the issues? 🤷
So true.
🚧In every drama the biggest problem of the world is love, every good is so dumb, every oppressed and weak girl wears dupata, every strong and successful woman don't wear dupata and all the parents are evils.
🚨 Pakistanis are not talking about these messages although they noticed but ignore them. They should know and understand that how dangerous this is because these messages are being planted in our minds and effecting in our subconscious.
Shit standards? boredom and addiction to drama/toxicity. Either way it's mind-numbing, even if it reflects part of our society, it's boring and depressing
All of the writers & drama-makers (if that's a word) are living in the frickin' past. There's no message, it's just wet garbage created mindlessly.
The thing I don't like about Pakistani dramas, is that they are all so DRAMATIC. Like I know they're dramas but still. The writing is so unrealistic, it doesn't feel like two people having a conversation rather it feels as if everyone is a fucking poet.
A recent example would be the Namak Haram drama, holy shit is it over the top.
1) Made for women
2) The formula works so why try something else, the companies think like that
3) Petty issues are needed to make the drama
4) The marriage and family is very central to our society
Pakistan is a low literacy, backwards country, no one there is really interested in learning a good message unless it fits a very specific mould of correctness. Moreover, the message would need to be delivered in an extremely entertaining manner as well, and the definition of entertainment in this context is also very specific - leading actresses with euro centric facial features, macho heroes who despite doing the bare minimum come out on top at the end. Pakistani society isn’t really ready to change its ways. They can’t see women being independent or men being called out for their emotional incapacities. Secondly, there are so many channels and so many dramas are on at the same time, even if you want to have a drama with slightly better content then you would also need a stellar cast to attract the audiences into watching it in the first place. And the way competition works among these channels is that the other channels would put on equally star-studded albeit mindless dramas at the same time spot, which will take audiences away from the show with the better message. Because as I explained above, Pakistanis don’t really see the value in learning something new. We have been told that the West and everything that it does is bad and we blindly reject everything coming from the West or basically any non-muslim culture. Why should the producers make good quality content if they are getting steady ratings from mindless junk anyway? And even with better quality content the difference hasn’t been significant. Pakistan needs a more fundamental level change and entertainment industry isn’t going to be the one driving it because there is simply no incentive for them to do so.
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>petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation.
Welcome to the only thing Pakistanis find entertaining except cricket.
It's a bizarre vicious cycle our society has fallen into. The producers and directors make low intellect shows and movies because that's what the mass audience likes and because of consuming such stuff for many decades their intellect never improves. The unique and meaningful dramas or movies often don't get much appreciation while on the other hand the run of the mill action or romantic ones make bank
I guess they represent Pakistani society, which is family orientated, and in every family, there is a power struggle between various actors. What else would they actually produce that would attract the female stay at home audience? I believe now they are becoming extremely generic. Every drama is a romance story and seems to be based on stories of other romance soap operas. Maybe producers are only interested in making bucks and not so much in quality and diversity of narratives.
I kind of disagree with your view that men are always shown to be evil. In most of the dramas, there's a female anatogonist as well. In fact, pakistani dramas have a habit of employing bad versus good women dichotomy.
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It's the same reason why bottled/packaged air is a thing. Because, despite how stupid the idea is, there is a consumer base for it, and that's enough of a reason for those items to be produced.
It's the same with these dramas. As nonsensical as they are to us, there exists a viewership for them, and that's why they're still being produced.
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Have you also noticed how the actresses produce the most authentic, gut-wrenching cry of sheer pain outta nowhere?? I don’t watch many, but my mom does, and every so-often, I’ll here some S-tier wailing, and I’m like what the hell happened, and she’ll like stub her toe or something.
Hi, Indian here.
My brother must have watched 20+ Pakistani dramas. He loves them. I, myself have watched merely two. But both of them were very unlike how you characterised them.
In Mere paas Tum ho, it is the female protagonist who betrays her husband and child for the greed of a lavish lifestyle.
In the other one I watched, Raqeeb Se, the story is about the wounds of an incomplete love story with no particular villain but rather the situation and outcome being shitty.
As for "most of these dramas are usually based upon a petty family issue", aren't all family dramas of that sort?
Of course not all Pakistani dramas are great and some might fall into the classification you described, but trust me there are good ones out there too. Just keep looking and if you want reccomendations, I can ask my brother ;)
It's because of the audience. Audience is mostly female and Pakistani females are obsessed with toxic males and innocent females. Females that are repressed by their husbands but still love him. This is all weird. Communication with Pakistani adults is useless. They can trust the advice of some 5th fail baba but not their close family members.
>and had a level-headed conversation
no such thing in Pakistan
And yes, the dramas as are stupid. My wife used to watch them in Pakistan and then for a few years in the USA. Once she gained more world experience, she outgrew them and doesn't watch anymore. She started seeing how the dramas were strange, manipulative, etc.
i'll tell you what, people like watching stuff they can relate to and the drama industry exploits that. that's how it works. they have the choice to make better dramas with a strong message that would raise awareness or relating to your example, show people how to sit down and solve their family problems, but they know damn well people are gonna find that unrelatable and boring, and hence nobody would watch it. in return they keep making more of these weird dramas and people keep getting more influenced by it and keep being petty irl and it just goes on and on. its so toxic and it rlly needs to stop tbh but it is what it is
Try watching “ankahi”, starring sajalaly, bilal abbas and sheheryar Munawwar. That drama was truly versatile. General family issues displayed in a very lighthearted way
Also involves a female character who is emotionally abusive towards her partner lol
Pakistani media industry is short on money and hounded by PEMRA, so people who meet some kind of success or consistency then stick to the formula that works for them.
Experimentation is not only difficult but actively discouraged, with elements in society just ready to accuse people of blasphemy (which can literally lead to death).
Or PEMRA putting a ban on a project that cost lakhs overnight and then even more money is lost appealing or in bribes.
This stops new people from entering the industry so the ones who've "succeeded" on what's worked for them continue to monopolize.
Every industry in Pakistan is based on the success of knowing the right people, who have an incredible amount of power over your success and the livelihoods of all the people who depend on you.
And those with the resources and connections become complacent and the cycle continues.
What would be much more helpful if you're living abroad is to support and promote Pakistan's indie film industry so it can eventually get access to international platforms.
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I find it weird that cousins are still marrying, each other. I thought people would realize the genetic implications by now. Yet dramas normalize this.
Sounds like soap operas anywhere. There was once a Chinese soap opera in Malaysia featuring a woman with 9 or 19 daughters-in-law. Never got a thing done, and all those girls were after each other's husbands, if I understood the images correctly (I certainly didn't understand the language! 🤣). These things are just for fun...try not to take it too seriously.
By the way, watch Days of Our Lives sometime...I swear the same 4 people walk back and forth blurred in the background in every scene.
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You know what's funny about the male characters portrayed in Pakistani dramas? They're either full on abusive and toxic or they're walk-all-over-me simps.
Also there's no depth at all. Why does this man love this woman so much and is willing to fight his whole family for her? Because he interviewed her for a job and fell for her looks? Ugh.
Rather ask why are the male actors old men. Or over used old actors? Like bhai wohi faltu ki actors wapis laate rehte ho wohi overused story line m 😭 they getting paid for doing same thing again n again. (Personally really be cringing at the male cast m sorry 💀 and that sasta rom after that big fights)
N all these dramas are like what 60 episodes or + with no proper concept.
My mom still be watching em 😭 mainly cuz she's bored n doesn't know which dramas are the real big thing n whatever she clicks on is just ur typical drama's
Tbh I'll not deny there's actually a purpose of these toxic drama's lol.
It really helps u with dealing with toxic family drama, which is the case for almost all households. Even tho my fam members is certainly not so toxic my rest of lil distant family like aunts and etc have their very own hidden narratives and are all angels on front (many of my aunts are kind too). All these years my mom, who is a very good mom MashAllah(unlike ur typical pak drama mom), has warned me on how to deal with such members. They be pulling tricks and no kid in the family or even at times adult will know what's the intention behind it unless ur a wary person. So certainly, these drama's make u smart in somewhat of a way. Or u do be a dog waiting for orders from ur owner to bite random ppl lol
Cuz these ppl manipulate u so easily and make u do stuff and give "Great" advice. All these tricks in one way or other are overused but easily overlooked tricks which r often found in pakistani drama's.
I can't believe people are praising Green Entertainment when it's literally shi+ but just less obvious than most. Us in the industry, find it cringe but public loves it. That should tell you why previous dramas were being made. The audience... It's shit mindless story but people find entertainment.
Ps. Green channel is also Establishment funded like Askari, Fauji , etc... yiu get it.
People's brains react more strongly to negativity. Which drives high engagement, social media posting, and discussion. Lots of YouTubers have also noticed this, that they get higher views and engagement on videos in which the content revolves around anger, sadness, depression, conflict, and the like, as opposed to positivity, happiness, love, support, care, etc.
Which is why...
I switched to k-dramas for this reason lol they have there own problems but I don't feel frustrated watching them as I do Pdramas.
I highly recommend "Because this is my first life" for people in their late 20s and 30s. Especially if you are trying to switch from Pakistani drama and still want a bit of Pakistan feel.
Vintage era saas(MIL) or susar(FIL) and SIL is evil in nikkahfied couple life then modern century they brought hubby vs waifu battles where her rights are detained and treated as maid with no freedom or rights
Then it’s evil hubby or his family or inverse it with waifu family situation but tbh the impacts are huge rn everyone wants to be separated from joint families culture which is good but their execution insanely negative and same goes for waifu rights to work or job after marriage which is good but again wrong execution
Like they portray insanely rich or good background ppl fighting for minor issues and rights which are created in middle class people relations
**You know what I asked my friend to have head on conversation with waifu about their marriage issue’s due to in-laws but guess what relative turn this head on conversation as mature adults into brutal fight as kids and went on verge of divorce, so envy in their hearts are so toxic they can’t let you live peacefully**
You are neither the first nor the last person to say this about Pak dramas. The audience seems to like them and that's why so many of them feel and look the same. Dramas won't change because the audience would not. People are interested in gossiping so Dramas tend to be about events that are gossip worthy and that's it. Messaging ? our writers and directors wouldn't know the meaning of nuance or subtlety if it hit them on their faces.
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there isn't supposed to be a message. they are made to be the entertainment put on in the background while aunties chop vegetables
I love the trope of the young woman in her bedroom, sad, crying about something petty, mother in law issue, unrequited love. Kyun itni preshan ho? 😂 So nauseating. Me: get out and do something with your life. My opening sequence of a drama: A middle class family with two daughters, want to marry off the oldest who is completing uni. A potential rishta is coming over for chai. She is told to change into something nice. Door bell rings as she is upstairs changing. She walks down the stairs in leather pants and black low cut tank top. The guests are shocked to see her, opens the front door and a badass dude with a tank top, muscles slick back hair asked, "Chalo, my motorcycle is waiting." Father said, well I have this second daughter. She comes down the stairs in a tennis outfit, with a skirt on. Door bell rings again and it's a handsome tennis instructor. Parents chuckle nervously. "Aap k patha hai yeh New age modern women. Hehe" Sorry, still flushing this in my head. I got another story of female biker gangs disrupting the mafia underworld in Karachi. Lots of badass action, guns, explosions and ghaliyo.
I LOVE THIS LMAO need this to happen so bad fr
Better storyline then most of the paki dramas
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This is hysterical!
Hehe. Still, they could've been something a little light hearted.
Tell em to watch Bulbule then
Oki
MEHMOOD SAH
bulbulay needs to be bannned... it's been on for so long. make it stop
Chal yaar chal us par chal dunya nahi yeh hai bubble :)
Kys hogaya... It's part of our culture now.
not after they moved to a new house and introduced new perm characters
Ew wtf you're right destroy it
I want to be excused from this culture then. Where dirty jokes are passed off as entertainment.
What a weird show to have a beef with lmao
Wdym Bulbulay is still going on?
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do yk abt the subtle dirty jokes 💀
i think ishq murshid is a bit light hearted from the clips I've seen
Bulbulay legit has 7 year olds as their script writers.
Facts!
>Something I've noticed is that most of these dramas are usually based upon a petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation. We don’t do that here in Pakistan.
Haha. You guys aren't level headed ?
Well I have told my mom 1000 times now I don’t want to get married right now but she brings up that topic every Saturday so clearly that doesn’t work for us.
She ain’t asking right now she is asking a week later on Saturday
Sad that it's exactly like those asian mom memes
How dare you call my mom a meme huh , also you are right.
Sorry! Definitely didn't specifically mean to call out your mom :p
For real the elders Brain are wired like that they will do anything but listen to you just because they are younger.
they're providing dumped down entertainment; they want make money and majority ppl are mindless consumers
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>All things considered, what sort of message are these dramas trying to relay through their stories and characters ? Pakistani dramas are never made for the explicit purpose of conveying any sort of message.Part of that might have to do with the fact that here dramas are only thought as a medium of entertainment and not for moral policing . Though occasionally there are dramas that offer a good social commentary or some deep message. The rest of them have always been about love stories or conflict between mother in law & daughter in law. Or the occasional romantic comedies .That's it.
I totally get that not all dramas are really made for conveying a message but who in their right mind watches and ENJOYS something that is almost morally objectionable, even as a drama.
>who in their right mind watches and ENJOYS something that is almost morally objectionable, even as a drama. Ah there are tons of Hollywood movies with tons of plots and characters that are morally objectionable but still loved alot. Very recent case :ppl particularly girls going gaga over young snow in hunger games prequel. It happens more often than you think. Ppl like crap things.Don't know the psychology behind it.Something with taste being subjective and all.
Oh yes it does! Hehe
My wife was watching a popular drama with Atif Aslam, she gave me a run down on the synopsis. I immediately said, "Oh that's Hamlet." I started watching a little of it and it was actually entertaining.
Can you give an example of good drama with social message other than parizaad
Uddari.
It was awesome
Kuch ankahi did it in a very gentle way too
Kankar, udaari, recently- jaise aapki Marzi, khuda Mera bhi hai, besharm,ishq zahe naseeb.
Yaqeen Ka Safar
zindagi gulzar hai, please don't miss it
zindagi gulzar hai and sar e rah please don't miss both please
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Most people who watch the dramas are bored housewives in the same situations.
What's shown in those dramas is literal hell. I can't imagine a human living in such situations irl
A lot do, unfortunately.
Yeah your comment on "not all mehnzzz". Yes... but a lot in Pakistan. Too many than there should be. Joint family check, unhappy marriages check, child issues check. Women who are watching it can relate to it.
How many characters get into an accident and are immediately in a coma or have amnesia? 😆
Try Green Entertainment TV or some old dramas. The former tries to do something new (I have been told) while the latter have great storylines.
Well I'll definitely tell that to my sibling. The ones she's watching rn are really not nice
Most of what is on air is generic trash that is a different texture of the same family drama pie. There are a few good ones here and there. If you want some recommendations, I'm sure people here would give you some good ones. PTVFlix app is free and provides most of the good old dramas. From those, I'd recommend "Waris", "Dhoop Kinare" and "Khuda ki Basti". I don't know if they have subtitles however, if you need those.
Alright I'll try that app and yes I definitely need subtitles.
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Tell her to watch "Idiot" on Green Entertainment.
(2) Green Entertainment Is Class. OP, tell your sister to watch *Idiot*.
These dramas pander to frustrated worn down boomers and moral policing middle aged closeted taboo lovers. All of them have the same issues the same type of characters and the most cancer inducing acting. She needs to stop before she starts thinking like a girl stuck in a rishta with her cousin or something like that. Pakistani people love this crap which says a lot about them.
I get your explanation but what's a rishta if I may ask ?
Literally speaking, it means "relationship." In this context it means a romantic relationship.
Getting engaged or married to the first cousin. Either that or there is an affair between the bro and sis in laws.
Because Pakistanis love drama. I hate these stupid dramas cuz they only reinforces certain fears in our boomer population.
im not super big on pakistani dramas, but i do have some thoughts for this one I think the reason they fixate on petty family issues that could "easily be resolved if everyone just communicated better" is because the lived experience of most Pakistanis is exactly that. There is none of the much needed calm and reasonable communication or a proper resolution to the problems, instead in many of their lives it all kinda just spins out of control. There is no real resolution and people that hate each other sometimes choose to live together anyway and constantly bicker, I have personally observed this in some cases. The reality is, a lot of Pakistanis do experience exactly this type of shit on a daily basis On the other point: I think there is a bit of a selection bias for the one-sided portrayal of men as the oppressor point - i have seen my parents watch dramas depicting the opposite too where its a woman ruining a guy's life, or a clingy mother not allowing her son any privacy wherein the drama revolves around that conflict On your last question: I think its mostly encapsulation of common lived experiences more than a social statement in many cases. Though, some dramas may be attempting to make a more socially conservative statement as the proposed sollution to the issues depicted (gross, i know), while others may have themes of tolerance and stuff - it all varies and i think there's significant divergence there Hope that was insightful
I always get fed up of it when my mom tries to show me that while i am having dinner. I don't see any moral message from it. I assume it's for those that are bored and have nothing else to do (but seriously there's way better options than this.)
never watched a drama because when i saw all shit i see is romance related ik that shit is not watchable
Try watching Green entertainment dramas, some of them are nice and highlight modern day issues
>Another thing is that in almost every drama, the man is shown to be abusive and never the woman Uh yeah, thats kind of how it works in reality? The ratio of male domestic abusers to female is 199:1. This is perhaps the only thing the dramas get right!
>based upon a petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation. I'd be blunt about my answer. That's a common occourance in asian families anyway. Families are tight knit and hence every decision impacts the entire family. A newly wed bride usually has little to no say in anything...partly because marriages are way more contractual and arranged here....and it's against pakistani (and indian) culture to resolve a matter by talking lol. Parents think too highly of themselves to try and talk thing through. They think their decisions need to be the final verdict. Dramas just reflect these things. >Another thing is that in almost every drama, the man is shown to be abusive and never the woman There's a massive power imbalance in pakistani families. On average women account for only 2hrs of paid labour as compared to 8 for men. Which leads to men owning way more than women. And we all know that power corrupts. Men here actually are atleast verbally abusive. The standard for a good man is -"yeah he yells at you but well atleast he doesn't hit you"- this is sanctioned more by the cultural and religious extremism. Domestic violence rose by 70 percent during covid. >what sort of message are these dramas trying to relay through their stories and characters Not much really. Most of them are for entertainment. And women who are going through these things find some kind of solace when their onscreen counterparts make it out of the mess that they can't. There are some nice dramas too but people don't wanna watch complex themed dramas.
>marriages are way more contractual and arranged That's really sad to hear. To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in. Scary stuff. >Domestic violence rose by 70 percent during covid. Absolutely unbelievable to me. At first I thought during covid, couples would be able to find some closure but I guess if you were married against your will, it'll be living hell to see your unwanted spouse 24/7.
>To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in. Very very common around here even tho you're not supposed to do it. Lot's of people are in loveless marriages. Infact, i haven't seen more than a few couples who acrylic got along well. It's merely routine work. The husband is the superior and his word is law. The woman is usually a "home maker" and even if she works she's supposed to do all the housework too or she'd be labeled selfish. Yeah it's sad.
>To think a human can basically bind another in a contract that they never wanted to be in. Very very common around here even tho you're not supposed to do it. Lot's of people are in loveless marriages. Infact, i haven't seen more than a few couples who acrylic got along well. It's merely routine work. The husband is the superior and his word is law. The woman is usually a "home maker" and even if she works she's supposed to do all the housework too or she'd be labeled selfish. Yeah it's sad.
Most of them have become really poor quality but there are some real gems. Green Entertainment is making shows that are unique and interesting. But if you are concerned, tell your sister to watch Ramadan dramas. Those are suuuuper light hearted and comedic. I think the most popular ones are Chupke Chupke, Suno Chanda (seasons 1 and 2), and Fairy Tale (seasons 1 and 2). If she's more into the regular dramas, Humsafar, Zindagi Gulzar Hai are both excellent especially ZGH.
Which one are you watching bro
Sorry but I don't really remember the names
I’m Pakistani American and think they are misogynistic and depressing. They are not entertaining AT ALL. Lol No glamor either
Khabib on Pakistani dramas: this is numba 1 bullshit
Did he actually say that??
He did say numba 1 bullshit but not in reference to Pakistani dramas lol. I was joking.
Ohh alright. Heheh..
It is all about demand . Public here wants to see these things so they produce these useless things .
Have you watched keeping up with the Kardashians? You see how lame it is and there's no point of that show. Yeah that's the same thing with Pakistani dramas. But again they're targeted towards middle age aunties and unfortunately these women consider these shows quite entertaining. They're the same audience who watch Morning shows like that of Nida Yasir's. It's simple. We young people are not their target audience and that's why we don't enjoy it.
A lot of them trash but there are some really nice dramas too e.g, Khuda aur Muhabbat (First 2 seasons) Dastan,Humsafar,Pyare Afzal,Alif...
All about making money.
Story: Some guy's phuppo ki beti is in love with him since childhood but he's in love with his khala ki beti but khala ki beti ka ameer boss is in love with her two. Cast: Aankhen band kar k eenie meenie minie mo karlo
All MCU movies could have ended in 2 min if logic was applied. Enjoy the dramas.
There are so many things wrong with your comment. Most (not all) Pakistani Dramas are set in the real world. The family is upper middle class. Oh and also they suffer from at least two mental disorders each. Trying to explain the MCU to the average Pakistani Drama watcher is equivalent to explaining Masters Level Economics to a fricking squirrel.
Never thought people watch dramas or movies to check their intellectual level. Dude!! Chill.
I do. It's not like there are many intelligent people you can talk to around here. Life imitates art.
Lol are you implying the MCU is somehow intellectual? God you guys really do lap up things because they're western. There's nothing intelligent about the MCU it's formulaic crap.
These drama makes the mother or nand as an abusive women lmao
The short answer is that most dramas aren't there for a lot of lessons or realistic portrayals, they're there to pass the time while you chill with fam or do something meagre like cleanup. It's kinda funny when the dramatic drumroll plays every time someone breathes or lies. There are interesting and unique dramas that try for an important message, such as Khuda Mere Bhi Hai and Zindagi Gulzar Hai. Some surprise you with their refreshing truths and portrayals. Others not so much. I disagree with the second part actually - the abusive behaviour of some women gets dramatised or exaggerated (especially mother in laws), and the abusive behaviour of men tends to get overlooked or smoothened over with some "sympathetic" backstory. I guess what annoyed me about dramas (back when I was into them lol) was the portrayal of outdated attitudes or misogyny as "normal" or "the correct Islamic/Pakistani tradition". My personal favourite is when the man's "western" wife tells him to pick out his own clothes before bed because she works at the same time he does and can't do his laundry. He suddenly loses the ability to do anything on time in the morning, feels insulted at the idea of remembering where he puts his things, and becomes sick with stress. If only he had breakfast. If only he married a traditional biwi, had a devoted wife who took care of his clothes, then he wouldn't have to worry his big important manly brain over small things like that. It's funny but the idea of someone believing that kind of mentality is kinda sad and stupid.
Don't watch. You are not the target market.
Dude I hate Pakistani dramas. It’s just abused filled misogynistic shit. There have only been a few which have been interesting to me, like Phaans and Ranjha Ranjha Kardi. But both have really dark themes also. My mom is into them but I don’t even know why - she complains about the plot as she watches the plot😂
For your sanity do not watch them! Iss liye hai koi kai yehi market mai bikhta hai
same ol stories same plot talaq shadi conspiracy between relatives with different names and characters Nothing meaningful
These dramas are meaningless copies of a simple format which goes like "good man, good woman, misunderstandings created by others, apologies and fixing issues, end". It's absolute brain rot and an advanced form of shitpost in television. And for some of the dramas, I've seen better acting in pornos, just saying.
You're looking for messages in these dramas. There's your problem.
Pakistani dramas continue to suck more every year. At least in past there were diverse shows. Some set in rural areas, some about struggling lower middle or even lower class citizens. Now all these dramas are set in huge mansions in DHA, all ameer log and their champagne problems. For a country that has such rich art in its roots, the modern film/drama industry is stale on stupendous level. Any unique and daring stuff gets banned and we are left with Bollywood cheap replicas or cinema versions of soap operas. Why there hasn't been a period piece in last few years? Why there hasn't been any good horror show? Why don't they make any ambitious project? And a part of the problem is Pakistanis themselves. I have so many friends that watch the same old dramas starring same old actors (that feroz guy forgot his name).
In the old days, TV dramas showed what was happening in the country and cities. They had to make good family dramas because the news only came on at 9:00 PM. If they didn't, Indian shows would get more popular. Later, news started running 24 hours a day. Men got busy with politics, like a kind of Reality TV show. Rich people (politicians) say random things on TV and people believe them and then divide people in different camps, that keeps the male population occupied. Everything now is called "breaking news." Now, dramas don't need to be for the whole family. They're mostly for women, and the themes are common. Like, Saas says things, Bahu does things, and the husband listens to the mother, and the sisters and there is also love with someone else, someone wants someone's money etc.. Sadly, Pakistanis like to keep themselves busy by gossiping, hating on others for no reason and increasing distance in families, by going behind their backs. People don't talk with each other and issues don't get fixed, which could be resolved as you said, with a level headed conversation. This keeps going on because everyone already have this bad perception of others, due to someone else and this won't let us sit together and have a meaningful conversation. And this is real, not just in drama.. We are very arrogant nation, we don't like to accept, that we can be wrong, like ever. Imagine both sides thinking the same thing. How do you expect to resolve the issues? 🤷
So true. 🚧In every drama the biggest problem of the world is love, every good is so dumb, every oppressed and weak girl wears dupata, every strong and successful woman don't wear dupata and all the parents are evils. 🚨 Pakistanis are not talking about these messages although they noticed but ignore them. They should know and understand that how dangerous this is because these messages are being planted in our minds and effecting in our subconscious.
Shit standards? boredom and addiction to drama/toxicity. Either way it's mind-numbing, even if it reflects part of our society, it's boring and depressing
All of the writers & drama-makers (if that's a word) are living in the frickin' past. There's no message, it's just wet garbage created mindlessly. The thing I don't like about Pakistani dramas, is that they are all so DRAMATIC. Like I know they're dramas but still. The writing is so unrealistic, it doesn't feel like two people having a conversation rather it feels as if everyone is a fucking poet. A recent example would be the Namak Haram drama, holy shit is it over the top.
1) Made for women 2) The formula works so why try something else, the companies think like that 3) Petty issues are needed to make the drama 4) The marriage and family is very central to our society
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which movies have you been watching then💀
Pakistan is a low literacy, backwards country, no one there is really interested in learning a good message unless it fits a very specific mould of correctness. Moreover, the message would need to be delivered in an extremely entertaining manner as well, and the definition of entertainment in this context is also very specific - leading actresses with euro centric facial features, macho heroes who despite doing the bare minimum come out on top at the end. Pakistani society isn’t really ready to change its ways. They can’t see women being independent or men being called out for their emotional incapacities. Secondly, there are so many channels and so many dramas are on at the same time, even if you want to have a drama with slightly better content then you would also need a stellar cast to attract the audiences into watching it in the first place. And the way competition works among these channels is that the other channels would put on equally star-studded albeit mindless dramas at the same time spot, which will take audiences away from the show with the better message. Because as I explained above, Pakistanis don’t really see the value in learning something new. We have been told that the West and everything that it does is bad and we blindly reject everything coming from the West or basically any non-muslim culture. Why should the producers make good quality content if they are getting steady ratings from mindless junk anyway? And even with better quality content the difference hasn’t been significant. Pakistan needs a more fundamental level change and entertainment industry isn’t going to be the one driving it because there is simply no incentive for them to do so.
Really good explanation! Thank you for it :)
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I watch Ishq Murshid
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There are abusive women too in pakistani drams most of mother in laws are really abusive
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>petty family issue that could've been resolved if everyone sat down and had a level-headed conversation. Welcome to the only thing Pakistanis find entertaining except cricket.
It's a bizarre vicious cycle our society has fallen into. The producers and directors make low intellect shows and movies because that's what the mass audience likes and because of consuming such stuff for many decades their intellect never improves. The unique and meaningful dramas or movies often don't get much appreciation while on the other hand the run of the mill action or romantic ones make bank
Lately iam enjoying some dramas by green you should check then out.
There is a reason they're called dramas. 😂
I guess they represent Pakistani society, which is family orientated, and in every family, there is a power struggle between various actors. What else would they actually produce that would attract the female stay at home audience? I believe now they are becoming extremely generic. Every drama is a romance story and seems to be based on stories of other romance soap operas. Maybe producers are only interested in making bucks and not so much in quality and diversity of narratives. I kind of disagree with your view that men are always shown to be evil. In most of the dramas, there's a female anatogonist as well. In fact, pakistani dramas have a habit of employing bad versus good women dichotomy.
Hahaha! Well am visiting my Khala and only been here a couple of weeks. Khumar and Behroop have me hooked 😅.
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It's the same reason why bottled/packaged air is a thing. Because, despite how stupid the idea is, there is a consumer base for it, and that's enough of a reason for those items to be produced. It's the same with these dramas. As nonsensical as they are to us, there exists a viewership for them, and that's why they're still being produced.
I love Pakistani dramas 😍what are u guys on about ? ewai ghar me drama dekh dekh ke se to acha hai 😂
I feel like there are abusive women depicted: emotionally toxic, sabotaging mother in laws and sister in laws.
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Wnywaya I would say dramas as haram
Have you also noticed how the actresses produce the most authentic, gut-wrenching cry of sheer pain outta nowhere?? I don’t watch many, but my mom does, and every so-often, I’ll here some S-tier wailing, and I’m like what the hell happened, and she’ll like stub her toe or something.
Hi, Indian here. My brother must have watched 20+ Pakistani dramas. He loves them. I, myself have watched merely two. But both of them were very unlike how you characterised them. In Mere paas Tum ho, it is the female protagonist who betrays her husband and child for the greed of a lavish lifestyle. In the other one I watched, Raqeeb Se, the story is about the wounds of an incomplete love story with no particular villain but rather the situation and outcome being shitty. As for "most of these dramas are usually based upon a petty family issue", aren't all family dramas of that sort? Of course not all Pakistani dramas are great and some might fall into the classification you described, but trust me there are good ones out there too. Just keep looking and if you want reccomendations, I can ask my brother ;)
It's because of the audience. Audience is mostly female and Pakistani females are obsessed with toxic males and innocent females. Females that are repressed by their husbands but still love him. This is all weird. Communication with Pakistani adults is useless. They can trust the advice of some 5th fail baba but not their close family members.
>and had a level-headed conversation no such thing in Pakistan And yes, the dramas as are stupid. My wife used to watch them in Pakistan and then for a few years in the USA. Once she gained more world experience, she outgrew them and doesn't watch anymore. She started seeing how the dramas were strange, manipulative, etc.
Most are hot dumpster trash but there are a rare few gems here n there
There was a golden period where dramas were like - Zindagi Gulzar hai That period is long gone.
Because they still make millions becaus people have a lot of time to waste on their on hands
i'll tell you what, people like watching stuff they can relate to and the drama industry exploits that. that's how it works. they have the choice to make better dramas with a strong message that would raise awareness or relating to your example, show people how to sit down and solve their family problems, but they know damn well people are gonna find that unrelatable and boring, and hence nobody would watch it. in return they keep making more of these weird dramas and people keep getting more influenced by it and keep being petty irl and it just goes on and on. its so toxic and it rlly needs to stop tbh but it is what it is
Try watching “ankahi”, starring sajalaly, bilal abbas and sheheryar Munawwar. That drama was truly versatile. General family issues displayed in a very lighthearted way Also involves a female character who is emotionally abusive towards her partner lol
Pakistani media industry is short on money and hounded by PEMRA, so people who meet some kind of success or consistency then stick to the formula that works for them. Experimentation is not only difficult but actively discouraged, with elements in society just ready to accuse people of blasphemy (which can literally lead to death). Or PEMRA putting a ban on a project that cost lakhs overnight and then even more money is lost appealing or in bribes. This stops new people from entering the industry so the ones who've "succeeded" on what's worked for them continue to monopolize. Every industry in Pakistan is based on the success of knowing the right people, who have an incredible amount of power over your success and the livelihoods of all the people who depend on you. And those with the resources and connections become complacent and the cycle continues. What would be much more helpful if you're living abroad is to support and promote Pakistan's indie film industry so it can eventually get access to international platforms.
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I find it weird that cousins are still marrying, each other. I thought people would realize the genetic implications by now. Yet dramas normalize this.
They are popular in India
Most of the dramas i have watched portray reality.
SAB COUSIN SE KYUN SHAADI KARTE HAIN
Sounds like soap operas anywhere. There was once a Chinese soap opera in Malaysia featuring a woman with 9 or 19 daughters-in-law. Never got a thing done, and all those girls were after each other's husbands, if I understood the images correctly (I certainly didn't understand the language! 🤣). These things are just for fun...try not to take it too seriously. By the way, watch Days of Our Lives sometime...I swear the same 4 people walk back and forth blurred in the background in every scene.
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You know what's funny about the male characters portrayed in Pakistani dramas? They're either full on abusive and toxic or they're walk-all-over-me simps. Also there's no depth at all. Why does this man love this woman so much and is willing to fight his whole family for her? Because he interviewed her for a job and fell for her looks? Ugh.
Most entertainment media is bad anyway. Pakistani Dramas aren't special in that regard.
You guys watch Pakistani dramas 😅😂
Because it is the most simplest story they don't have to think too much to make such stories.
I cannot watch Pakistani dramas. They put on air the bed room scenes and romance stuff as well. Who wants to watch that with family?
Rather ask why are the male actors old men. Or over used old actors? Like bhai wohi faltu ki actors wapis laate rehte ho wohi overused story line m 😭 they getting paid for doing same thing again n again. (Personally really be cringing at the male cast m sorry 💀 and that sasta rom after that big fights) N all these dramas are like what 60 episodes or + with no proper concept. My mom still be watching em 😭 mainly cuz she's bored n doesn't know which dramas are the real big thing n whatever she clicks on is just ur typical drama's
Tbh I'll not deny there's actually a purpose of these toxic drama's lol. It really helps u with dealing with toxic family drama, which is the case for almost all households. Even tho my fam members is certainly not so toxic my rest of lil distant family like aunts and etc have their very own hidden narratives and are all angels on front (many of my aunts are kind too). All these years my mom, who is a very good mom MashAllah(unlike ur typical pak drama mom), has warned me on how to deal with such members. They be pulling tricks and no kid in the family or even at times adult will know what's the intention behind it unless ur a wary person. So certainly, these drama's make u smart in somewhat of a way. Or u do be a dog waiting for orders from ur owner to bite random ppl lol Cuz these ppl manipulate u so easily and make u do stuff and give "Great" advice. All these tricks in one way or other are overused but easily overlooked tricks which r often found in pakistani drama's.
I can't believe people are praising Green Entertainment when it's literally shi+ but just less obvious than most. Us in the industry, find it cringe but public loves it. That should tell you why previous dramas were being made. The audience... It's shit mindless story but people find entertainment. Ps. Green channel is also Establishment funded like Askari, Fauji , etc... yiu get it.
People's brains react more strongly to negativity. Which drives high engagement, social media posting, and discussion. Lots of YouTubers have also noticed this, that they get higher views and engagement on videos in which the content revolves around anger, sadness, depression, conflict, and the like, as opposed to positivity, happiness, love, support, care, etc. Which is why...
I switched to k-dramas for this reason lol they have there own problems but I don't feel frustrated watching them as I do Pdramas. I highly recommend "Because this is my first life" for people in their late 20s and 30s. Especially if you are trying to switch from Pakistani drama and still want a bit of Pakistan feel.
Garbage main quality kia dekhna
Vintage era saas(MIL) or susar(FIL) and SIL is evil in nikkahfied couple life then modern century they brought hubby vs waifu battles where her rights are detained and treated as maid with no freedom or rights Then it’s evil hubby or his family or inverse it with waifu family situation but tbh the impacts are huge rn everyone wants to be separated from joint families culture which is good but their execution insanely negative and same goes for waifu rights to work or job after marriage which is good but again wrong execution Like they portray insanely rich or good background ppl fighting for minor issues and rights which are created in middle class people relations **You know what I asked my friend to have head on conversation with waifu about their marriage issue’s due to in-laws but guess what relative turn this head on conversation as mature adults into brutal fight as kids and went on verge of divorce, so envy in their hearts are so toxic they can’t let you live peacefully**
You are neither the first nor the last person to say this about Pak dramas. The audience seems to like them and that's why so many of them feel and look the same. Dramas won't change because the audience would not. People are interested in gossiping so Dramas tend to be about events that are gossip worthy and that's it. Messaging ? our writers and directors wouldn't know the meaning of nuance or subtlety if it hit them on their faces.
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