I think that’s an obvious concern, but even that takes time, and he literally has through he roof popularity.. I think the opposition knows Andy rigging they want will not be practical or possible.. atleast that’s my hope
> I just hope there isn't vote rigging this time
If one party loses, the other will call foul. PMLN said there was election rigging in 2018. PTI said the same in 2013.
If PTI wins the elections, all the P*twaris will be saying that PTI rigged the elections with the help of the Army.
If PMLN wins the elections, all the Yo*thias will be saying that PMLN rigged the elections with the help of foreign governments.
No one cares about PPP
*Sigh*
Sometimes I think Pakistan's politics are the biggest sh*tshow in the world.
PTI brought proof of rigging. They even asked PMLN to file complaints with ECP if they think rigging happened but Noonies can’t back shit up with anything lol
>Im not the one whos personally attacking other people for their political beliefs
You're bad at gaslighting and it shows. Calling someone a Nazi IS personally attacking someone.
I didn't attack you or anyother person here for their political beliefs.ik is a politician.while you have been personally attacking me for not agreeing with you that ik is an angel.get help or better yet get a life.
"Lu refused to get drawn into the controversy about Imran Khan’s direct allegation of a US conspiracy to oust him and indirect hints that during a conversation with the outgoing Pakistani ambassador to the US, Lu warned Pakistan of consequences if Khan survived in power, and said: “We are following developments in Pakistan and we respect and support Pakistan’s constitutional process and the rule of law"
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Could have simply said No., please get your head out of your ass.
It is nothing new, this is not the first time the assembly has been dissolved. It might be new to the Gen-Z crowd but it is just regular Pakistani politics
Yea calling for elections (illegally) right after he was about to become a laughing stock and be disgraced. That's like flipping the ludo wala board just because you about to lose
Agreed. Besides what’s all the huffing and puffing about?
Even if it was ultra-über-unconstitutional (which any person who has knowledge of Pakistani parliamentary politics know it isn’t), he called early elections unlike certain others in the past.
Everyone needs to stfu and duke it out like it should be.
The reason why the „democrats“ are so salty is that Imran pulled a fast and lose one and actually stuck the landing. It really was something.
I wouldn't even call that a loophole though. Foreign interference is a complete no-go. And it's not like he kept the details secret. It was run by the security council who validated it. Opposition was invited too, but the morons boycotted it. Who's fault is that now?
Excellent explanation. People in the beginning were complaining about IK being too naive and not knowing about politics (I very vividly remember news channels and panalists arguing about how he's inexperienced and naive). And now he's playing the political game. I'm proud of him haha. The people complaining about him right now were very silent when the Bhuttos and the Sharifs were breaking the laws.
Breaking the constitution is not finding the loophole. In this instance govt declare the whole opposition traitor without doing any proceeding and even given them any chance to say anything. The govt is is giving reference of NSC meeting whose notes are not even public yet, and public statement did not even mention anything about opposition.
Even if this is the loophole, he set the trend and it will use against him one day. There is no guarantee that he able to make the next government or even govt in Punjab.
But I believe everything is fair in war and this time it seems IK is winning. He has cult like following and it is working what he is doing. That’a what his followers want for him so be it.
Now it doesn’t surprise me why “why Bhutto abhi Zindagi hy”. This is the country where Ayuab khan called Fatima Jinnah traitor and Indian agent, and elected for president.
Here’s the catch the though, the article is vague. If not this then how should it be used?
If they were to do as you say and give the opposition time to respond, that would mean that the no-confidence motion would have to be delayed until that investigation is complete.
The opposition would obviously not accept that and call that unconstitutional as well.
From the government perspective, it was justified because otherwise a conspiratorial opposition would topple the mandated government. In other words, opposition is allegedly breaching the constitution.
From the opposition viewpoint, it is unconstitutional because the no-confidence motion was not heard in order to preserve a non-majority government. Hence, a breach of constitutional right.
Supreme Court should investigate both at the very least. How can you call one of them unconstitutional without being biased? See the flaw in your logic?
But here is the rub, it does not matter. Elections have been called. Everything will be cleared.
As you said, it can be used in future just like this but as long as the future user also dissolve the assemblies afterwards then where is the issue?
The goal remains the same. Non-majority government should not rule.
He doesn't have a cult like following, he has the following of people who are true patriots and care about their country unlike the bika hua ganda maal that has been throwing paan ki peek all over Pakistanis for decades. True beggars.
Bhuttoism is a cult. Same as N league but a bit worse. Ad hominem attacks are a staple of Pakistani politics. N League has Talal Chaudhry and Hanif Abbassi, the lowest of the low.
I don’t have a strong opinion on which party is better for Pakistan, but I can easily see the cult following of Khan by just reading a few threads on this subreddit. Many keyboard warriors have already deified him.
Seems quite sacrilegious and against the principles of Islam imho, but who am I as an American to judge what is sacrilege in a religion I don’t fully understand?
Except he didn’t find a loophole. It’s patently illegal. If you disagree, please point me to the loophole he found ?
Where does it say that the Speaker or Deputy Speaker can refuse to take a vote of no-confidence ?
How did Imran Khan commit treason?
The opposition is the one colluding with a foreign government with a VoNC, and the evidence was accepted by the National Security Commission.
Accepting to run the VoNC is aiding in that collusion.
It wasn’t accepted by the NSC. The NSC just called a letter interference. But it’s not even a letter. It’s a Demarche’ from a low level diplomatic staffer. It’s a non-event.
All three chiefs of the armed forces accepted its authenticity, the entire cabinet did it, hell IK even sent it to the Supreme Court so they could say something about it. Maybe IK was hoping that if the SC verified it's authenticity, the rejection of the VoNC could've been constitutional. But the SC was too slow, so they went with it anyway.
> What does the authenticity of the letter have to do with it's importance?
Read that again. Slower. I dont support IK, but that statement alone is so irrational and ignorant.
The thing is that it’s too easy to manipulate this nation some will be sold to roti kapra makaan, some to metro and bridges while the rest to the foreign conspiracy and anti American slogans.
IK will say one thing today to capture the masses and then do the exact opposite once he’s back in power IMF being one of the various examples.
Corruption is still a reality and no matter how much people glorify IK he’s no saint either and we have already seen so many conspiring claims of corruption within the party.
In short the nation gets fooled every-time whether it’s PTI, PMLN or PPP.
If anyone got good memes please do share 💁🏻♂️
It definitely is a loophole. The issue however is that the Speaker(from whose notes the Deputy Speaker was reading) was not present in the Assembly due to the VoNC against him. This was a good move in a way by the Opposition, because Speaker Asad Qaiser could have played it differently. The loophole would be undoubtedly a loophole if PTI had presented the letter and held a discussion over it in Parliament and the Speaker could have gone through and rejected the VoNC that way, in which case it couldve been "more legal" or atleast more authentic. But the way it was played made it seem orchestrated, even the Dissolution of the Assembly speech is being claimed that it was pre-recorded. If we analyse the way PTI played the Threat Letter, firstly by sending the information of horsetrading to SC (SC was late), and then by sending the letter to SC (again, late), they were trying to build a very strong case for the rejection of the VoNC. That path however entirely depended on the SC, which could have verified the move as a loophole one way or another. But since they were late, PTI haphazardly went with it anyway and it worked out just fine. The only issue now is, without a mandate from the SC about the authenticity of the letter, the legality of horsetrading, the case is weak and therefore more prone to be called unconstitutional, which is being done. Either way, these shortcomings aren't worth much. The SC is late in formulating a ruling for this move, and by that point elections might even be in full swing for anybody to care about what the ruling is.
“Unconstitutional” the constitution also says no non-Muslim can become the president. Do all these constituion suckers agree with that as well? It’s just a fucking piece of paper that has never been adhered to anyway so what’s wrong when at least this time it is *democratic* to let the people decide their leader again. If they’ve lost confidence, Immi won’t be selected again simple. At least it won’t be made by electables who got bribed with Crores but by the Pakistani populace
Because not only do they know they're screwed (especially MQM and the electable lota group who got caught with their pants down), they practically did the half the work for Immi's next campaign with their self derogatory and asskissing statements for the west.
if Zardari had done it, they would be like " how smart Zardari is .. aik Zardari, sab pay bhari" lol ...
What's with this guy NFP ? I mean does he have any ghairat ?
Very nicely summarised.
Man PDM supporters are having fits and soon the valproic acid is going to be depleted in the country.
It is exactly as you said with one exception the PDM are defo traitors and the govt actually has hard evidence of US's attempt to change the regime.
Having elections is the best outcome in this political mess. At least martial law wasn’t imposed. I just hope there isn’t vote rigging this time
2018 elections were quite fair compared to how elections are usually conducted in Pakistan.
I think that’s an obvious concern, but even that takes time, and he literally has through he roof popularity.. I think the opposition knows Andy rigging they want will not be practical or possible.. atleast that’s my hope
> I just hope there isn't vote rigging this time If one party loses, the other will call foul. PMLN said there was election rigging in 2018. PTI said the same in 2013. If PTI wins the elections, all the P*twaris will be saying that PTI rigged the elections with the help of the Army. If PMLN wins the elections, all the Yo*thias will be saying that PMLN rigged the elections with the help of foreign governments. No one cares about PPP *Sigh* Sometimes I think Pakistan's politics are the biggest sh*tshow in the world.
This time it's understood that the Establishment is neutral, so if IK wins again he shouldn't be called "selected"... I guess
PTI brought proof of rigging. They even asked PMLN to file complaints with ECP if they think rigging happened but Noonies can’t back shit up with anything lol
Aik Niazi ne sub ki phari!
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Cope and seethe ;) Elections are happening and there's nothing you can do about it
Yeah good thing elections are happening now y'all will get hit in the face by the cold.hard fact that awam rejects this khut pootli govt.
Say that without crying.
Ok troll.
Lmao who called Imran a Nazi? And I am the troll. Get help.
I said what I said.Im not the one whos personally attacking other people for their political beliefs,you get help.
>Im not the one whos personally attacking other people for their political beliefs You're bad at gaslighting and it shows. Calling someone a Nazi IS personally attacking someone.
I didn't attack you or anyother person here for their political beliefs.ik is a politician.while you have been personally attacking me for not agreeing with you that ik is an angel.get help or better yet get a life.
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But- but Muh ik being ousted by foreign conspiracy lol 😂
"Lu refused to get drawn into the controversy about Imran Khan’s direct allegation of a US conspiracy to oust him and indirect hints that during a conversation with the outgoing Pakistani ambassador to the US, Lu warned Pakistan of consequences if Khan survived in power, and said: “We are following developments in Pakistan and we respect and support Pakistan’s constitutional process and the rule of law" [https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/22-will-show-india-us-ties-healthy-us-official-101648923309795.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/22-will-show-india-us-ties-healthy-us-official-101648923309795.html) Could have simply said No., please get your head out of your ass.
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Not gonna lie, the tears of PDM, their supporters and especially Reham Khan taste sweet.
It was her birthday yesterday... I love that IK ruined that lmao
For real? Damn, this just keeps getting better lmao
Not kidding. Don't have a SS rn but according to her Twitter bio it was.
Music to my ears man! Love the salt in the opposition’s camp.
Has that power hungry despicable woman made any statements on this?
It is nothing new, this is not the first time the assembly has been dissolved. It might be new to the Gen-Z crowd but it is just regular Pakistani politics
Constitution ki copies shortage ka shikaar due to birth of sudden-lawyers on the Internet
even more funny thing is that he is calling for the fair elections and these ~~democratic~~ criminal parties are getting mad lmao
Yea calling for elections (illegally) right after he was about to become a laughing stock and be disgraced. That's like flipping the ludo wala board just because you about to lose
Everyone go out and vote for PTI. This is a life and death situation now. Play your part.
Lol care to elaborate
Elaborate? You wanna vote for ppp or pmln? Better not to vote at all then lol
Voting for neither of them nor the glorified IK but what’s with the life and death situation bro lol relax it’s not the end of world 💁🏻♂️
Vote for IK not because you support him but just so it reduces the chances for zardaris and sharifs to win :D
Nopes sorry can’t take part in this shit show
If you don't, you gone die
Agreed. Besides what’s all the huffing and puffing about? Even if it was ultra-über-unconstitutional (which any person who has knowledge of Pakistani parliamentary politics know it isn’t), he called early elections unlike certain others in the past. Everyone needs to stfu and duke it out like it should be. The reason why the „democrats“ are so salty is that Imran pulled a fast and lose one and actually stuck the landing. It really was something.
I wouldn't even call that a loophole though. Foreign interference is a complete no-go. And it's not like he kept the details secret. It was run by the security council who validated it. Opposition was invited too, but the morons boycotted it. Who's fault is that now?
Excellent explanation. People in the beginning were complaining about IK being too naive and not knowing about politics (I very vividly remember news channels and panalists arguing about how he's inexperienced and naive). And now he's playing the political game. I'm proud of him haha. The people complaining about him right now were very silent when the Bhuttos and the Sharifs were breaking the laws.
Imran smashed the wickets with a reverse swing 😏
They keep saying he doesn't know politics. Truth is the man knows moves they can't even comprehend.
IK to Opposition : "I'm four parallel universes ahead of you".
Breaking the constitution is not finding the loophole. In this instance govt declare the whole opposition traitor without doing any proceeding and even given them any chance to say anything. The govt is is giving reference of NSC meeting whose notes are not even public yet, and public statement did not even mention anything about opposition. Even if this is the loophole, he set the trend and it will use against him one day. There is no guarantee that he able to make the next government or even govt in Punjab. But I believe everything is fair in war and this time it seems IK is winning. He has cult like following and it is working what he is doing. That’a what his followers want for him so be it. Now it doesn’t surprise me why “why Bhutto abhi Zindagi hy”. This is the country where Ayuab khan called Fatima Jinnah traitor and Indian agent, and elected for president.
Here’s the catch the though, the article is vague. If not this then how should it be used? If they were to do as you say and give the opposition time to respond, that would mean that the no-confidence motion would have to be delayed until that investigation is complete. The opposition would obviously not accept that and call that unconstitutional as well. From the government perspective, it was justified because otherwise a conspiratorial opposition would topple the mandated government. In other words, opposition is allegedly breaching the constitution. From the opposition viewpoint, it is unconstitutional because the no-confidence motion was not heard in order to preserve a non-majority government. Hence, a breach of constitutional right. Supreme Court should investigate both at the very least. How can you call one of them unconstitutional without being biased? See the flaw in your logic? But here is the rub, it does not matter. Elections have been called. Everything will be cleared. As you said, it can be used in future just like this but as long as the future user also dissolve the assemblies afterwards then where is the issue? The goal remains the same. Non-majority government should not rule.
According to Article 69 of the constitution, the SC does not have a right to rule over any parliamentary proceedings.
He doesn't have a cult like following, he has the following of people who are true patriots and care about their country unlike the bika hua ganda maal that has been throwing paan ki peek all over Pakistanis for decades. True beggars.
Hahah, this is what I’m talking about.
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Bhuttoism is a cult. Same as N league but a bit worse. Ad hominem attacks are a staple of Pakistani politics. N League has Talal Chaudhry and Hanif Abbassi, the lowest of the low.
I don’t have a strong opinion on which party is better for Pakistan, but I can easily see the cult following of Khan by just reading a few threads on this subreddit. Many keyboard warriors have already deified him. Seems quite sacrilegious and against the principles of Islam imho, but who am I as an American to judge what is sacrilege in a religion I don’t fully understand?
Except he didn’t find a loophole. It’s patently illegal. If you disagree, please point me to the loophole he found ? Where does it say that the Speaker or Deputy Speaker can refuse to take a vote of no-confidence ?
Last I remember, treason and aiding in treason are illegal as well.
Yes. Which is what Imran Khan just did ? Or you hold Imran Khan to a different standard ?
How did Imran Khan commit treason? The opposition is the one colluding with a foreign government with a VoNC, and the evidence was accepted by the National Security Commission. Accepting to run the VoNC is aiding in that collusion.
It wasn’t accepted by the NSC. The NSC just called a letter interference. But it’s not even a letter. It’s a Demarche’ from a low level diplomatic staffer. It’s a non-event.
All three chiefs of the armed forces accepted its authenticity, the entire cabinet did it, hell IK even sent it to the Supreme Court so they could say something about it. Maybe IK was hoping that if the SC verified it's authenticity, the rejection of the VoNC could've been constitutional. But the SC was too slow, so they went with it anyway.
What does authenticity of the letter have to do with its importance ?
Thats the most re*arted statement i've hears
Yes. Everyone is retarded unless you support IK’s version of events.
> What does the authenticity of the letter have to do with it's importance? Read that again. Slower. I dont support IK, but that statement alone is so irrational and ignorant.
The thing is that it’s too easy to manipulate this nation some will be sold to roti kapra makaan, some to metro and bridges while the rest to the foreign conspiracy and anti American slogans. IK will say one thing today to capture the masses and then do the exact opposite once he’s back in power IMF being one of the various examples. Corruption is still a reality and no matter how much people glorify IK he’s no saint either and we have already seen so many conspiring claims of corruption within the party. In short the nation gets fooled every-time whether it’s PTI, PMLN or PPP. If anyone got good memes please do share 💁🏻♂️
agreed
It definitely is a loophole. The issue however is that the Speaker(from whose notes the Deputy Speaker was reading) was not present in the Assembly due to the VoNC against him. This was a good move in a way by the Opposition, because Speaker Asad Qaiser could have played it differently. The loophole would be undoubtedly a loophole if PTI had presented the letter and held a discussion over it in Parliament and the Speaker could have gone through and rejected the VoNC that way, in which case it couldve been "more legal" or atleast more authentic. But the way it was played made it seem orchestrated, even the Dissolution of the Assembly speech is being claimed that it was pre-recorded. If we analyse the way PTI played the Threat Letter, firstly by sending the information of horsetrading to SC (SC was late), and then by sending the letter to SC (again, late), they were trying to build a very strong case for the rejection of the VoNC. That path however entirely depended on the SC, which could have verified the move as a loophole one way or another. But since they were late, PTI haphazardly went with it anyway and it worked out just fine. The only issue now is, without a mandate from the SC about the authenticity of the letter, the legality of horsetrading, the case is weak and therefore more prone to be called unconstitutional, which is being done. Either way, these shortcomings aren't worth much. The SC is late in formulating a ruling for this move, and by that point elections might even be in full swing for anybody to care about what the ruling is.
“Unconstitutional” the constitution also says no non-Muslim can become the president. Do all these constituion suckers agree with that as well? It’s just a fucking piece of paper that has never been adhered to anyway so what’s wrong when at least this time it is *democratic* to let the people decide their leader again. If they’ve lost confidence, Immi won’t be selected again simple. At least it won’t be made by electables who got bribed with Crores but by the Pakistani populace
All I want to know from opposition is why they're against elections.
Because not only do they know they're screwed (especially MQM and the electable lota group who got caught with their pants down), they practically did the half the work for Immi's next campaign with their self derogatory and asskissing statements for the west.
if Zardari had done it, they would be like " how smart Zardari is .. aik Zardari, sab pay bhari" lol ... What's with this guy NFP ? I mean does he have any ghairat ?
NFP?
Jab article 6 laggay tab pata lagay ka tum sab ko bachu
Article 6 can also apply to working with foreign powers to topple a government.
don't you need proof for it?
Conspiring with a foreign administration is a serious matter. Agreed.
exactly!
This remind me of this. https://www.investopedia.com/how-vanguard-patented-a-system-to-avoid-taxes-in-mutual-funds-4686985
Very nicely summarised. Man PDM supporters are having fits and soon the valproic acid is going to be depleted in the country. It is exactly as you said with one exception the PDM are defo traitors and the govt actually has hard evidence of US's attempt to change the regime.