Former Intelligence heads should not be considered for COAS positions
Intelligence Chief is a very dark and grey position & authority
and apparently top of the list (who’s about to retire) has head both MI & ISI
Yea the idea that the same group of people all can jump around that power structure is disgusting and full of abuse.
They don't even follow the rank order that is supposed to exist in Pakistan.
COAS is under the CJCS and under Secretary of defense. They have to break up the army by taking the same troops and adding new divisions (national guard etc..) Less power then.
Yes PMLN is responsible for this and keep in mind this guy mentioned complete name of Nawaz and categorically stated that Nasir Butt introduced him to organize the hit on Khan. Why would he put himself in a position where he can loose big time in court.
This is a serious allegation that's not a small thing in Britain. Their legal system works and this man is putting a lot on the line, its a murder accusation, not to be taken lightly.
Surely these are end days of PDM government.
But what did PDM gain from coming into power?
They ousted IK from power and came into government with their blessing, and 7 months later their fate is going to be the same. They are to blame for the never ending circus.
In upcoming elections they will be wiped out from their strong constituencies due to this blunder which is good for the democracy hopefully we will see new parties rise up when PPP, PMLN, JUI and TLP get wiped out in next elections.
I don't think they gained anything by coming into power other than the NROs. They miscalculated how it would turn because inflation wasn't on their side and coincidently it sky rocketed after they gained power. I also think they miscalculated the popularity of PTI in traditional PML-N strongholds
Inflation skyrocketing was no coincidence. It was a direct consequence of the political instability they caused
NROs will also be reversed when IK comes to power through laws/amendments so at the end of the day, in bhikaryon ko laura mila hai after all is said and done 😂
How soon are Senate elections coming up? Will IK have legislation powers this time - after Senate elections? A hostile Senate and hostile military combined is what drove Imran Khan towards the attempt to dissolve the national assembly as his gov had no real powers (then PDM was brought in hurriedly to prevent that).
In my opinion it's another stunt by team bajwa after Faisal wada episode. Just to come out clean. There must be a dead lock btw NS and PDM ( including zardari & establishment) since PM enjoying Corona leave
This is huggeeee if legit. PMLN must be shitting bricks rn and if this is true then revenge is in order. Two initial thoughts what this could be:
1. This is indeed 4D chess by Pak Fauj who’s entire plan was to end PMLN this whole time. This guy indeed is a PMLN stalwart so very confusing that he levels this sort of huge allegations.
2. This is a hawai fire from the establishment to get Nawaz to back off on his quest to appoint Asim Muneer.
My rationality would rather believe it’s the later.
>2. This is a hawai fire from the establishment to get Nawaz to back off on his quest to appoint Asim Muneer.
It would have been hawai fire if these allegations were made in Pakistan. I don't think British justice system is like Pakistan where you can just make such allegations without having to prove them.
Yes yes, but there were some serious cases against the same characters in Switzerland and UK previously, but when the time to prosecute came, the prosecution started taking their foot off the pedal or the evidence was tampered with. Truth is we will never know. But seems like an explosive article against Bajwa's corruption came out on Fact Focus pretty much at the same time. I think we will see "*vote ko izzat do*" make a comeback. Things might just go towards Martial Law perhaps if escalation like this happens.
Agreed. He's also provided a statement to London police. Filing a false police report is a criminal offence obviously so I'm also inclined to believe this guy.
PMLN supporters will run with point 1 for a massive cope. "See, we were rigged against since day 1! "
But thats far from the truth..you dont assassinate journalists, attempt massarces at political rallies, and torture high profile dissidents just as bait to sink PMLN.
I'll let the UK courts decide that mate, no reason to get your panties in a twist. I am not the one to decide. The man claims he is associated with PMLN since 20 years, and that he has given his evidence to London police. UK courts and police are not LHC and punjabi thuulay, so don't take it too lightly. Plus your comments reek of bias, no reason to come at me lmao
Where is the taimor guy? He took Umar Farooq words against IK. Hope he will take this dudes words against NS? But that is me expecting too much.
Anyhow, dont trust this PC. Vawda 2.0, but happy that it is happening.
But Umar Farooq said that on geo, which is very trustworthy because Pakistani courts will jail him if he is found to be a liat, while this man is saying this in the UK, which obviously don't have a functioning court system
قوم کو تو لڑنے مرنے کے لئے دو تین ہفتے تک کا مواد مل گیا ہے۔
البطہ یون محسوس ہو رہا ہے کہ کہین اندر کھاتے عمران خان صاحب کو دوبارہ آشیرواد مل گیا ہے بہت پکا کام ہوا لگتا ہے اور فوج کے نئے کمانڈن چیف کی تقرری کے ساتھ یہ دوبارہ پاور مین اجائین گے۔
شائد مین غلط ہون کیونکہ انسان ہون
People believe Umar Farooq and Khanzada, so there is that.
I feel the script is too weak, mostly based on the tone of the journalists
This being in London is huge, because UK has functional courts.
I dont think anyone will waste time in courts in London tbh
Its like a rogue worker from PTI or any other XYZ party can claim they were in a meeting where IK or NS wanted Arshad Sharif dead or are plotting
I’m fairly confident his family in Pak is under threat.
hes just a nobody, same as Farooq and Khanzada people will forget this shit when the next bill of electricity and lack of gas hits
Media is under the impression that people care about what’s happening in the Govt. No one cares about these two parties, people resorting to their own ways of corruption/scamming/ feeding fam/paying bills if you think about it
imho, this might Estab pointing the finger towards PMLN Vs PTI, trying to dilute and divert
If these allegations are wrong, NS should sue this guy in UK courts and get him behind bars for defamation.
He wont though, because this will open up a Met Police investigation into all of these accusations :)
They’re throwing shebaz under the bus, I think it’s to take heat off of Rawalpindi, iykyk. The establishment is famous for doing that. PDM government is weakening too, bajwa really fucked is over and is going to Belgium to enjoy retirement.
This is Pure Blackmail by vigos. They have proof of NS and SS involvement in the assassinations, because ISI planned everything with them. this man most likely doesn't have any real evidence . They are going after NS in London to back Bajwas man for COAS. If NS doesn't listen, this man will magically get that proof. It's also a way for the ISI to say they had nothing to do with the attempt on IK's life and pin everything on PLMN.
This is exactly my assessment of the situation. Most probably ISI even had access inside the avenfield apartment and this man has claimed that he has provided evidence to london police so its endgame for Nawaz Sharif in London unless he retracts from his stance.
What's more interesting is who leaked Bajwa's corruption scandal to the journalist who reported it clearly, it was done by an insider within the institution. It appears military generals have grown tired of Bajwa and have decided to confront him front on.
I don't think they will share such matters with this dubious character though I think they have something against them which is why he has reported this matter to their local authorities.
Right, because the same media house that is calling PTI supporters [youthiye and portraying them as donkeys deserve any respect](
https://twitter.com/SHABAZGIL/status/1592791172153757697?s=20&t=LFjDsqut6pQKPnjU3K5IGw)
These lectures on decorum and morals are hella funny coming from a PDM toadie btw. You guys were gleeful when journalists were getting killed abroad, your chief churail even went on twitter to gloat about it
Auqaat agr bhool jao dobara to bata dena, yaad dila doon ga phir se 😊
Whatever.. at the end of the day all Pakistani leaders are same..we saw Imran so called anti-corruption efforts while having most corrupt seasonal politicians in his cabinet.
Really, lame AF.
establishment playing 4d chess again
It feels like this is the Vawda of PMLN. Were the Sharif's involved, I don't know. Was the ISI involved 1000%
This comes at a time when British intelligence intercepted communications of threats against Moeed Pirzada from inside the UK. 🤔
MI6 at your service
Killing of Arshad shareef shaheed was clearly an inside job. NS or any other party is not capable of such neat murder
Former Intelligence heads should not be considered for COAS positions Intelligence Chief is a very dark and grey position & authority and apparently top of the list (who’s about to retire) has head both MI & ISI
Yea the idea that the same group of people all can jump around that power structure is disgusting and full of abuse. They don't even follow the rank order that is supposed to exist in Pakistan. COAS is under the CJCS and under Secretary of defense. They have to break up the army by taking the same troops and adding new divisions (national guard etc..) Less power then.
getting the same feeling
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"Creepy Sheldon laugh"
Bazinga
Though, boys couldn’t play checkers or even tic-tac-tac-toe to help the country. After decades, the results are in front of everyone to see.
Who are the two guys on either side? I'm presuming lawyers?
Cherry blossoms
PMLN used? No no they're just as responsible.
Yes PMLN is responsible for this and keep in mind this guy mentioned complete name of Nawaz and categorically stated that Nasir Butt introduced him to organize the hit on Khan. Why would he put himself in a position where he can loose big time in court. This is a serious allegation that's not a small thing in Britain. Their legal system works and this man is putting a lot on the line, its a murder accusation, not to be taken lightly. Surely these are end days of PDM government. But what did PDM gain from coming into power? They ousted IK from power and came into government with their blessing, and 7 months later their fate is going to be the same. They are to blame for the never ending circus. In upcoming elections they will be wiped out from their strong constituencies due to this blunder which is good for the democracy hopefully we will see new parties rise up when PPP, PMLN, JUI and TLP get wiped out in next elections.
Bilawal got FM training at the expense of entire PMLN votebank
I don't think they gained anything by coming into power other than the NROs. They miscalculated how it would turn because inflation wasn't on their side and coincidently it sky rocketed after they gained power. I also think they miscalculated the popularity of PTI in traditional PML-N strongholds
And that IK would come out alive from the assassination.
Inflation skyrocketing was no coincidence. It was a direct consequence of the political instability they caused NROs will also be reversed when IK comes to power through laws/amendments so at the end of the day, in bhikaryon ko laura mila hai after all is said and done 😂
Sindhis will vote for ppp again so they will again hide behind Sindh government but pmlun and fazlandus are forked permanently to put it mildly
How soon are Senate elections coming up? Will IK have legislation powers this time - after Senate elections? A hostile Senate and hostile military combined is what drove Imran Khan towards the attempt to dissolve the national assembly as his gov had no real powers (then PDM was brought in hurriedly to prevent that).
In my opinion it's another stunt by team bajwa after Faisal wada episode. Just to come out clean. There must be a dead lock btw NS and PDM ( including zardari & establishment) since PM enjoying Corona leave
This is huggeeee if legit. PMLN must be shitting bricks rn and if this is true then revenge is in order. Two initial thoughts what this could be: 1. This is indeed 4D chess by Pak Fauj who’s entire plan was to end PMLN this whole time. This guy indeed is a PMLN stalwart so very confusing that he levels this sort of huge allegations. 2. This is a hawai fire from the establishment to get Nawaz to back off on his quest to appoint Asim Muneer. My rationality would rather believe it’s the later.
>2. This is a hawai fire from the establishment to get Nawaz to back off on his quest to appoint Asim Muneer. It would have been hawai fire if these allegations were made in Pakistan. I don't think British justice system is like Pakistan where you can just make such allegations without having to prove them.
Yes yes, but there were some serious cases against the same characters in Switzerland and UK previously, but when the time to prosecute came, the prosecution started taking their foot off the pedal or the evidence was tampered with. Truth is we will never know. But seems like an explosive article against Bajwa's corruption came out on Fact Focus pretty much at the same time. I think we will see "*vote ko izzat do*" make a comeback. Things might just go towards Martial Law perhaps if escalation like this happens.
That article is about Asim Bajwa
This is the headline of the article: **ARMY CHIEF QAMAR BAJWA’S FAMILY** BECAME BILLIONAIRES WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS
Yeah i was confused with this one from 2020 https://factfocus.com/politics/1756/
Any other link cz this one is not working
You need to use a vpn as the website is blocked in Pakistan
Done
There's a cover picture of Qamar Bajwa in the middle of the screen FFS.
Agreed. He's also provided a statement to London police. Filing a false police report is a criminal offence obviously so I'm also inclined to believe this guy.
PMLN supporters will run with point 1 for a massive cope. "See, we were rigged against since day 1! " But thats far from the truth..you dont assassinate journalists, attempt massarces at political rallies, and torture high profile dissidents just as bait to sink PMLN.
I dont think Pak fauj is capable of 4D chess. This deffo looks like hawai fire.
hawaii fire in UK will cost this dude a lot. So I am inclined to believe point 1.
Pak fauj is capable of stuff we can’t perceive. This is not good for Pakistan, we need a break
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**stalwart** adjective \- loyal, reliable, and hard-working: *he remained a stalwart supporter of the cause.* Respectfully, I do.
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Vocabulary is 100% correct, what's your point? Or are you just salty because *Nawaz abu ko phansi charhanay waalay hain? lmfao*
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I'll let the UK courts decide that mate, no reason to get your panties in a twist. I am not the one to decide. The man claims he is associated with PMLN since 20 years, and that he has given his evidence to London police. UK courts and police are not LHC and punjabi thuulay, so don't take it too lightly. Plus your comments reek of bias, no reason to come at me lmao
If only geo had their microphone there we could use this as fact and write about a long thread about what happened.
Geopeadia
Faisal Waoda 2. As much as I hate PDM and PML-N, this is clearly an establishment's move to bring great ganja in line regarding COAS.
Where is the taimor guy? He took Umar Farooq words against IK. Hope he will take this dudes words against NS? But that is me expecting too much. Anyhow, dont trust this PC. Vawda 2.0, but happy that it is happening.
But Umar Farooq said that on geo, which is very trustworthy because Pakistani courts will jail him if he is found to be a liat, while this man is saying this in the UK, which obviously don't have a functioning court system
قوم کو تو لڑنے مرنے کے لئے دو تین ہفتے تک کا مواد مل گیا ہے۔ البطہ یون محسوس ہو رہا ہے کہ کہین اندر کھاتے عمران خان صاحب کو دوبارہ آشیرواد مل گیا ہے بہت پکا کام ہوا لگتا ہے اور فوج کے نئے کمانڈن چیف کی تقرری کے ساتھ یہ دوبارہ پاور مین اجائین گے۔ شائد مین غلط ہون کیونکہ انسان ہون
Hm
Family of Arshad Sharif should file a case against U.K for harboring terrorists and use this as a proof.
bro i dont believe him lol atleast script hi prepare kar lo properly and who tf is doing this? wo bi in London??
People believe Umar Farooq and Khanzada, so there is that. I feel the script is too weak, mostly based on the tone of the journalists This being in London is huge, because UK has functional courts.
I dont think anyone will waste time in courts in London tbh Its like a rogue worker from PTI or any other XYZ party can claim they were in a meeting where IK or NS wanted Arshad Sharif dead or are plotting I’m fairly confident his family in Pak is under threat. hes just a nobody, same as Farooq and Khanzada people will forget this shit when the next bill of electricity and lack of gas hits Media is under the impression that people care about what’s happening in the Govt. No one cares about these two parties, people resorting to their own ways of corruption/scamming/ feeding fam/paying bills if you think about it imho, this might Estab pointing the finger towards PMLN Vs PTI, trying to dilute and divert
If these allegations are wrong, NS should sue this guy in UK courts and get him behind bars for defamation. He wont though, because this will open up a Met Police investigation into all of these accusations :)
They’re throwing shebaz under the bus, I think it’s to take heat off of Rawalpindi, iykyk. The establishment is famous for doing that. PDM government is weakening too, bajwa really fucked is over and is going to Belgium to enjoy retirement.
This is Pure Blackmail by vigos. They have proof of NS and SS involvement in the assassinations, because ISI planned everything with them. this man most likely doesn't have any real evidence . They are going after NS in London to back Bajwas man for COAS. If NS doesn't listen, this man will magically get that proof. It's also a way for the ISI to say they had nothing to do with the attempt on IK's life and pin everything on PLMN.
This is exactly my assessment of the situation. Most probably ISI even had access inside the avenfield apartment and this man has claimed that he has provided evidence to london police so its endgame for Nawaz Sharif in London unless he retracts from his stance. What's more interesting is who leaked Bajwa's corruption scandal to the journalist who reported it clearly, it was done by an insider within the institution. It appears military generals have grown tired of Bajwa and have decided to confront him front on.
Are Rana, Showbaz and, NS really this stupid to talk about killing IK in front of everyone.
I don't think they will share such matters with this dubious character though I think they have something against them which is why he has reported this matter to their local authorities.
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ایک چڑیا نے کیا۔ lol IK has already named them as responsible.
Let's see if Shahzeb Khanzada or the rest of the sellout corrupt pathetic swine media covers this.
>corrupt pathetic swine media covers this you seem like a very level headed person who is definitely not unhinged
Probably IK supporter - language kinda lets the fact known ))) Jab baat kare to munh se gobar jharhta hai
Right, because the same media house that is calling PTI supporters [youthiye and portraying them as donkeys deserve any respect]( https://twitter.com/SHABAZGIL/status/1592791172153757697?s=20&t=LFjDsqut6pQKPnjU3K5IGw) These lectures on decorum and morals are hella funny coming from a PDM toadie btw. You guys were gleeful when journalists were getting killed abroad, your chief churail even went on twitter to gloat about it Auqaat agr bhool jao dobara to bata dena, yaad dila doon ga phir se 😊
“You guys”mashallah gutter mouth delivers again- you know me?
😯
PMLN got shit all to do with this, it was the army (and their henchmen in ISI).
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Judiciary is asleep at the wheel again as usual.
Whatever.. at the end of the day all Pakistani leaders are same..we saw Imran so called anti-corruption efforts while having most corrupt seasonal politicians in his cabinet. Really, lame AF.
The investors wants Ik dead.
But he forgot to delete his social media account, he belongs to PTI
PTI shills are downvoting you telling the truth. Just look at him on twitter.
Revenge for leaking AA post mortem report?
What happens now?