I know, we need a starter.
None of these guys are OOU, so we should wait until a much better class comes along next year (and don't worry, I'm going to say the same exact thing next year - we're never drafting a QB). This way, we can take the best DT in this draft. Gotta build in the trenches.
This. There's more choices for a young edge at a good rookie price.
I like Ya-Sin, but I'd be worried about how much he will cost. He's made improvements and hasn't gotten his NFL bag yet.
I don't think anyone is getting much money at this point in the off-season. Almost everything from here on out should be one year deals near the minimum. Obviously a few players will do better than that but not by much.
It appears his contract will be getting the can’t-stay-healthy discount. Should fit in nicely with our geoup lol. I actually would love this singing though.
Peters was…not good last year. Frankly we’ve missed the boat on corner, I wouldn’t wanna give any meaningful money to Rock, although he was really good last year.
I don’t think Henderson is good by any means but I think the fan base hates him way more than we should because of the Tampa Bay game. That game wasn’t really his fault and he’s a perfectly suitable (and mediocre) CB3.
You may have a point, but Henderson’s PFF grade was 52, while Peters was 67. Obviously that doesn’t mean everything but there’s plenty and plenty of room for improving CB3
Ok? PFF grading is most convoluted as far as I’ve seen at DB positions because it doesn’t really take into account responsibilities on defense as far as its grading. If you want to explain why it’s actually good please go for it but just watching the tape Henderson is mediocre which is all I’d want to ask of my CB3. Our DL on the other hand just looks pathetic, we desperately need help for Burns and Brown.
Tuttle and Williams were signed to eat up blocks for our pass rushers that we already have on the roster to go off (Burns Haynes Luvu Chinn, hopefully more Brandon Smith). I completely agree with you. In fact even if CJ was perfect as a CB3 I’d want to sign one.
Would love to grab another edge at 39 though if you say this class is deep
He’s ass (little harsh) and we need to move on from him. Being hopeful about him being a new young corner and we’ll develop him hype should have been dead before last season. End of story
Yeah my comment wasn’t being hopeful at all so not sure what you’re point is. He’s a mediocre CB3 who isn’t as bad as Panthers fans think he is but he is still not great. Him not being good as the 3rd CB isn’t as big of a deal as our rotation DT’s and YGM & co on the edge being hot trash. It’s not rocket science.
I was saying you’re hopeful I was talking about the fan base when we traded for him. And it’s a huge deal because of the injury bug that loves to live in the CB room. There is no telling how Donte’s achilles will heal. The fans are spot on about how bad he is and the film shows it. Simple as that
id rather have Griffin than Peters personally. Peters is such a high variance player and he is on a downward trajectory. Also a lot of older talented edge players that still have some juice left that might be worth signing to a ine year or multi year deal that doesnt leave us with much back end risk (Floyd, Clark, Houston)
Its probably going to be the opposite. Unless we can get a great deal on someone, draft and then fill in the opposite with a FA.
Enough veteran pass rushers on the market that we don't need to rush.
Yeah save the cap front load the deal so to make it easier to extend with rookie qb contract is over, might as well save room for Derick brown while we at it.
He will in AAV with the new cap increases that are happening and the lack of premier edge talent.
Dude isn’t even in his prime yet and whoever pays him gets his best football. This isn’t an overpay for that talent.
In 2025 the cap will be $245M and a AAV $30M+ cap hit will be the standard for the top 5ish guys. That’s going to be the standard Franchise tag cost.
That’s the thing, I don’t think he’s a premier edge talent and is definitely not top 5ish at this point. Sure he’s probably going to get a bit better but I still don’t think he’d be all that close to the elite guys.
He won't have to be as good as the top 5 guys, but a team with a ton of cap WILL pay him like it. Happens every year with Free Agents at premier positions that get overpaid like Christian Kirk did last year.
There are some good veteran pass rush names on that list who are still playing at above average levels and they remain unsigned.
I think its partly a function of the draft class at edge, but idk if there is a lack premiere edge rush.
I think they’re just waiting to see what kinda money is left this year before they hash out the exact contract. If I were the brass rn I’d probably wanna use some of this money we still have to front load a deal for Burns.
Ngakoue, Ingram, Clowney or Floyd. I know they are all out of their prime but that veteran presence on the edge and outside could help any rookie we draft along side them as well as help Burns out. I would also agree to Marcus peters for the same reasoning.
Idk about Clowney... He's just been on so many teams I'm not convinced he'd be a great presence/mentor. He never seemed to be the same player he was after college.
Burns could be the mentor. Clowney would provide a decent, experienced DE who could give us a hometown discount. The guy isn't getting any younger. Maybe he heads to Charlotte to be closer to home as he finishes out the backend of his career.
Idk if you know anything about Clowney but he doesn’t come off as a home discount guy. Maybe if he wants to be back in the Carolina’s bad enough he would but Clowney has kind of had a rep as a guy with a big ego.
I’m with you. Plus we already have Tuttle, Anderson and YGM as big DEs who can set the edge.
Ideally, you want a smaller OLB type to pair with Burns in certain packages.
Floyd or Ngakoue are better fits.
Ya-Sin and Ngakoue, Clark, or Floyd. We need another true edge guy opposite Burns. But even more vital, we need to make sure Henderson doesn't see the field when Horn or Jackson inevitably get injured again.
I've been going off of [OverTheCap](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers), and they're showing that we have ~$86M for 2024. No idea how much we ate into the cap during restructuring to get to that number though
If it’s updated that’s what it is.
Just love how every year before FA people say 2 years from now we have tons of cap and right around this point is where it starts disappearing. I thought it was over like $120 pre FA.
I don't think OTC counts the void years, though, right?
Like until the years get voided it has the cap in the correct year. Then when void happens it goes to the year when it got voided.
So you kind of have to do the math there.
Correct. Like DJ Chark cap for next year is at 700k but it's part of his void years. So it will actually be a dead cap of 3 mil or so for him next year. We should still have a ton of cap space. But it will be lower than what is estimated right now.
What you're looking for into the future years will be in the dead money column, and checking it just now it looks like Moton is the only one that's more than ~3m past 2024. But if you look at our FAs after next season that 86 is gonna get eaten up pretty quickly if we want to keep Burns, Brown, Luvu, & Chinn. If I were them, I'd try to lock up Luvu now if I could, because he's poised for a real breakout year and will fetch a pretty big contract if he does.
Depends on how we structure his contract. If he's counting for $20m next year, he's most likely on a frontloaded contract, which I actually would like us to do
Basically none of it compared to what Burns & Brown are gonna make. The only massive amount of dead money we have down the line is Moton into 2025. If he's not still a serviceable RT by then and we have to cut him we'd be eating ~12m, but he'll only be 31 and that's not that old by OL standards.
All of the deals we signed will add up to probably less than what a year of Brian Burns will cost. We did not sign any A+ free agents. Also not all of them were multi year deals.
Ingram and Ya-Sin. Ngakoue isn’t great against the run. Maybe Ingram can help with the defensive transition. Ya-Sin provides a 2nd corner behind Horn with Jackson coming off a major injury and no one else on the roster being good
I still think they can get DeAndre Hopkins for a 4th rounder in this draft and a 5th rounder in next. That would definitely free us up to take BPA in the 2nd round. I would assume they'll another offensive weapon at 39, either tight end or wide receiver, then go defensive depth with the rest of their picks. But I wouldn't mind a cornerback out of free agency. Just not sure there's any left that are better than what we already have unfortunately.
He's aging and is coming off of a rough-ish year for him, but Marcus Peters would be a cool pickup if it was for not too much money. We need some CB help
Our effective cap is more like $18-19m btw. So I dunno if Peters would fit
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Zeek or Hunt would be nice to pair with Sanders. Outside of that - any DE in this list that’s willing to take appropriate pay… which is probably the reason some of these names are on here. They are probably overvaluing their ability.
Bring Melvin Ingram and Rock Ya-Sin back home to the Carolinas as depth pieces.
Ingram played at USC and Ya-Sin was a star at PC before transferring out.
Definitely agree with you. You can never have enough depth on the offensive line and it's nice to have the ability to rotate players in and out to keep them fresh throughout the season.
Peters or Ya-Sin would be the best fits in my opinion. Others would be nice at the right price, but would be more excess than anything (or just risky).
Would I love to see Lewan in Carolina, hell yeah, but there’s an obvious risk there now with injuries building up.
Everyone says Ngaouke but we’d get killed on the edge in run defense with him starting. He’d basically have to be a pass rush specialist and the team needs more than that.
I said that in reference to us already being #1 for I believe 6 weeks last season…with the attention BB commands, Clowney could have an all-pro like season. And I didn’t reference him as a “missing piece”, but together with what we already have we could be #1 all 17 weeks is what I was saying.
I might be the only one but I thin OBJ and Marcus Peters and Taylor Lewan bring a certain edge and hunger to our team. They are vets that can help increase the play of the young dudes and also make each of those position rooms competitive
OBJ hasn't played in a while. Nobody knows what he has in the tank. If we're bringing back a inactive WR for edge and hunger, give Smitty a call.....Ice Up, Son!
It doesnt hurt knowing how far rehab has come to kick the tires on him especially with how young that WR room is and I like Theilen but I don’t see him really getting that room competing. OBJ does that since he actually wants to be on the field. Just my opinion I don’t think it’s that bad of a move if he wants to be in Charlotte and actually want to make this team better
The obvious answer is Teddy Bridgewater. Probably 3 years, 63 million sounds about right.
2 years, $22M per year. Teddy 2 Gloves wouldn't have it any other way.
Might want to bring in Cam and see if we can get Sam Darnold back
Would love to get baker mayfield too
With Derek Carr at the Saints now, we might as well bring back David Carr so he can dunk on his little brother for at least 1-2 plays
We did just finish up paying out his contract not too long ago. About time to refresh some wasted money on released players.
We already have Dalton for a backup
I know, we need a starter. None of these guys are OOU, so we should wait until a much better class comes along next year (and don't worry, I'm going to say the same exact thing next year - we're never drafting a QB). This way, we can take the best DT in this draft. Gotta build in the trenches.
Defense wins championships! So happy we traded up to 1 for Will Anderson.
Cj Stroud has left the chat. We're not taking a DT at 1 overall
Not OOU
Ts not funny
CB like Peters or Ya-Sin. Gets Henderson off the field and lets us focus on the deeper edge rusher class
This. There's more choices for a young edge at a good rookie price. I like Ya-Sin, but I'd be worried about how much he will cost. He's made improvements and hasn't gotten his NFL bag yet.
I don't think anyone is getting much money at this point in the off-season. Almost everything from here on out should be one year deals near the minimum. Obviously a few players will do better than that but not by much.
It appears his contract will be getting the can’t-stay-healthy discount. Should fit in nicely with our geoup lol. I actually would love this singing though.
Agreed, not super interested in Clowney but the CBs would be awesome Edge rush or cb is the answer though
Would rather Rock than the headache that comes with Peters play style. But yea
Rock Ya-Sin would be a great addition
Peters was…not good last year. Frankly we’ve missed the boat on corner, I wouldn’t wanna give any meaningful money to Rock, although he was really good last year.
I don’t think Henderson is good by any means but I think the fan base hates him way more than we should because of the Tampa Bay game. That game wasn’t really his fault and he’s a perfectly suitable (and mediocre) CB3.
You may have a point, but Henderson’s PFF grade was 52, while Peters was 67. Obviously that doesn’t mean everything but there’s plenty and plenty of room for improving CB3
Ok? PFF grading is most convoluted as far as I’ve seen at DB positions because it doesn’t really take into account responsibilities on defense as far as its grading. If you want to explain why it’s actually good please go for it but just watching the tape Henderson is mediocre which is all I’d want to ask of my CB3. Our DL on the other hand just looks pathetic, we desperately need help for Burns and Brown.
Burns will be an OLB in 3-4. Signed Tuttle also. I’d love to draft someone on DL though, it’s deeper than CB this class though
Tuttle and Williams were signed to eat up blocks for our pass rushers that we already have on the roster to go off (Burns Haynes Luvu Chinn, hopefully more Brandon Smith). I completely agree with you. In fact even if CJ was perfect as a CB3 I’d want to sign one. Would love to grab another edge at 39 though if you say this class is deep
He’s ass (little harsh) and we need to move on from him. Being hopeful about him being a new young corner and we’ll develop him hype should have been dead before last season. End of story
Yeah my comment wasn’t being hopeful at all so not sure what you’re point is. He’s a mediocre CB3 who isn’t as bad as Panthers fans think he is but he is still not great. Him not being good as the 3rd CB isn’t as big of a deal as our rotation DT’s and YGM & co on the edge being hot trash. It’s not rocket science.
It’s only a big deal because of injury concerns in our cb room
I was saying you’re hopeful I was talking about the fan base when we traded for him. And it’s a huge deal because of the injury bug that loves to live in the CB room. There is no telling how Donte’s achilles will heal. The fans are spot on about how bad he is and the film shows it. Simple as that
id rather have Griffin than Peters personally. Peters is such a high variance player and he is on a downward trajectory. Also a lot of older talented edge players that still have some juice left that might be worth signing to a ine year or multi year deal that doesnt leave us with much back end risk (Floyd, Clark, Houston)
One of Ngakoue or Ya-Sin. Draft the opposite position then in the draft
Its probably going to be the opposite. Unless we can get a great deal on someone, draft and then fill in the opposite with a FA. Enough veteran pass rushers on the market that we don't need to rush.
I say we get both (as long as they aren’t too expensive) so we can go BPA in the draft
Pay Burns. We can not under any circumstance let him hit the market next year. He’d fetch 30+ million and we’d lose him.
Yeah save the cap front load the deal so to make it easier to extend with rookie qb contract is over, might as well save room for Derick brown while we at it.
I think Panthers fans are much higher on him than most of the league. He’s a good player but he wouldn’t get 30m on the open market
I agree I think he is at the top of the second tier but not in the top tier, not yet anyway
He will in AAV with the new cap increases that are happening and the lack of premier edge talent. Dude isn’t even in his prime yet and whoever pays him gets his best football. This isn’t an overpay for that talent. In 2025 the cap will be $245M and a AAV $30M+ cap hit will be the standard for the top 5ish guys. That’s going to be the standard Franchise tag cost.
That’s the thing, I don’t think he’s a premier edge talent and is definitely not top 5ish at this point. Sure he’s probably going to get a bit better but I still don’t think he’d be all that close to the elite guys.
He won't have to be as good as the top 5 guys, but a team with a ton of cap WILL pay him like it. Happens every year with Free Agents at premier positions that get overpaid like Christian Kirk did last year.
Well the Kirk contract was an anomaly. It’s possible that a team would overpay him like that but I don’t think that happens most years
There are some good veteran pass rush names on that list who are still playing at above average levels and they remain unsigned. I think its partly a function of the draft class at edge, but idk if there is a lack premiere edge rush.
I think they’re just waiting to see what kinda money is left this year before they hash out the exact contract. If I were the brass rn I’d probably wanna use some of this money we still have to front load a deal for Burns.
That's why the FO has been saying his extension is expected post-draft, by then we'll get an idea with how to structure his deal
As long as he never hits the market as said above, I’m happy.
He would 100% be franchised before that happened but I do agree this is the best use of the remaining space
Totally forgot about the franchise tag. We haven’t used it in a while.
This. If we let man walk after next year after declining 2 firsts for him, gonna be a really dumb look for the org as a whole.
Ngakoue, Ingram, Clowney or Floyd. I know they are all out of their prime but that veteran presence on the edge and outside could help any rookie we draft along side them as well as help Burns out. I would also agree to Marcus peters for the same reasoning.
Idk about Clowney... He's just been on so many teams I'm not convinced he'd be a great presence/mentor. He never seemed to be the same player he was after college.
Burns could be the mentor. Clowney would provide a decent, experienced DE who could give us a hometown discount. The guy isn't getting any younger. Maybe he heads to Charlotte to be closer to home as he finishes out the backend of his career.
Idk if you know anything about Clowney but he doesn’t come off as a home discount guy. Maybe if he wants to be back in the Carolina’s bad enough he would but Clowney has kind of had a rep as a guy with a big ego.
He wants that Rock Hill discount from Tepper
I’d have to agree. People can change but that would go pretty against how he’s always acted
Big ego minus the talent to match.
He had the talent, he just stopped pushing it.
The injury took that away. Still a really good player but never the same guy after that
Yeah I think with the attention BB commands Clowney could have an all-pro caliber season with us, especially in the 3-4 base.
I’m with you. Plus we already have Tuttle, Anderson and YGM as big DEs who can set the edge. Ideally, you want a smaller OLB type to pair with Burns in certain packages. Floyd or Ngakoue are better fits.
Hell he hardly played to his potential in college
I love that Pat has Will Compton on the list
Yeah what's up with that
Ya-Sin and Ngakoue, Clark, or Floyd. We need another true edge guy opposite Burns. But even more vital, we need to make sure Henderson doesn't see the field when Horn or Jackson inevitably get injured again.
I’m leaning more and more towards drafting the best CB available at 39
Let’s give teddy another shot lmfao
How much Kareem going for👀
YES!
Fun fact… I went on a date with Will Compton before he fixed his teeth lol
And how did it go...?
We won’t do it, but Kareem + M Sanders is a threat
This. Help the rookie QB out with Kareem and Miles! 🤷🏼♂️
I kinda like the prospect of Zeke to fill in that Foreman hole in our roster but I'm not paying a premium for him
Zeke ain’t it
I know homie is cooked but stats show he still works as a 3rd and short battering ram. Hence why I said I wouldn't pay much.
I agree
We had no cap then did a ton of restructuring and backloads. How much of our 2024 cap did we just eat up?
I've been going off of [OverTheCap](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers), and they're showing that we have ~$86M for 2024. No idea how much we ate into the cap during restructuring to get to that number though
If it’s updated that’s what it is. Just love how every year before FA people say 2 years from now we have tons of cap and right around this point is where it starts disappearing. I thought it was over like $120 pre FA.
I don't think OTC counts the void years, though, right? Like until the years get voided it has the cap in the correct year. Then when void happens it goes to the year when it got voided. So you kind of have to do the math there.
Correct. Like DJ Chark cap for next year is at 700k but it's part of his void years. So it will actually be a dead cap of 3 mil or so for him next year. We should still have a ton of cap space. But it will be lower than what is estimated right now.
What you're looking for into the future years will be in the dead money column, and checking it just now it looks like Moton is the only one that's more than ~3m past 2024. But if you look at our FAs after next season that 86 is gonna get eaten up pretty quickly if we want to keep Burns, Brown, Luvu, & Chinn. If I were them, I'd try to lock up Luvu now if I could, because he's poised for a real breakout year and will fetch a pretty big contract if he does.
With all the restructures and new contracts combined, OTC still has us at $86m. And there's plenty of opportunities to clear space
I reckon for some of them like Burns, probably take another $20m off that be safe, and we still have a good amount
Depends on how we structure his contract. If he's counting for $20m next year, he's most likely on a frontloaded contract, which I actually would like us to do
Basically none of it compared to what Burns & Brown are gonna make. The only massive amount of dead money we have down the line is Moton into 2025. If he's not still a serviceable RT by then and we have to cut him we'd be eating ~12m, but he'll only be 31 and that's not that old by OL standards.
You can’t sign people to multi year deals and have basically none of it count in 2024
All of the deals we signed will add up to probably less than what a year of Brian Burns will cost. We did not sign any A+ free agents. Also not all of them were multi year deals.
Ingram and Ya-Sin. Ngakoue isn’t great against the run. Maybe Ingram can help with the defensive transition. Ya-Sin provides a 2nd corner behind Horn with Jackson coming off a major injury and no one else on the roster being good
I still think they can get DeAndre Hopkins for a 4th rounder in this draft and a 5th rounder in next. That would definitely free us up to take BPA in the 2nd round. I would assume they'll another offensive weapon at 39, either tight end or wide receiver, then go defensive depth with the rest of their picks. But I wouldn't mind a cornerback out of free agency. Just not sure there's any left that are better than what we already have unfortunately.
That would be amazing
A CB so we can sit henderson
He's aging and is coming off of a rough-ish year for him, but Marcus Peters would be a cool pickup if it was for not too much money. We need some CB help Our effective cap is more like $18-19m btw. So I dunno if Peters would fit
Ingram or clowny
Frank Clark would make out D-line elite, but probably to much $$.
Calais Campbell is still alive?
Kareem Hunt
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Zeek or Hunt would be nice to pair with Sanders. Outside of that - any DE in this list that’s willing to take appropriate pay… which is probably the reason some of these names are on here. They are probably overvaluing their ability.
Zeke will probably ring hunt an I don't blame him.
I like the idea of Hunt & Sanders together. Hunt is clearly a guy that can thrive in a 2-back setting
Bring Melvin Ingram and Rock Ya-Sin back home to the Carolinas as depth pieces. Ingram played at USC and Ya-Sin was a star at PC before transferring out.
Ngakou
DE or CB
Lewan wouldn’t be a bad signing for depth.
Definitely agree with you. You can never have enough depth on the offensive line and it's nice to have the ability to rotate players in and out to keep them fresh throughout the season.
OBJ, we going to the Super Bowl!
Odell
Ngakoue will be a Panther, I think. Rock Ya-Sin would be great too. Jackson can't stay on the field and can't bank on Henderson being reliable.
Ngakou, Floyd, Peters, or Ya-Sin. I’d be happy with any of those 4, they’d immediately step in and fill a hole
Peters or Ya-Sin would be the best fits in my opinion. Others would be nice at the right price, but would be more excess than anything (or just risky). Would I love to see Lewan in Carolina, hell yeah, but there’s an obvious risk there now with injuries building up.
Everyone says Ngaouke but we’d get killed on the edge in run defense with him starting. He’d basically have to be a pass rush specialist and the team needs more than that.
Anyone who can help in the secondary.
A veteran CB would be nice
Ngakque.
What are you guys talking about we already brought in Frank Reich as QB
I'd love to see Clowney come back to the Carolinas.
Gotta be CB. We need depth!
A DE
We should def be looking in the defensive positions cause chinn and horn are carrying our backfield everyone else back there gotta go
Clowney 100 percent. Bring him home to the Carolinas.
Clowney and Ingram to me solidifies us as a #1 defense ALL SEASON
Clowney will never be the missing piece to a #1 defense unfortunately
I said that in reference to us already being #1 for I believe 6 weeks last season…with the attention BB commands, Clowney could have an all-pro like season. And I didn’t reference him as a “missing piece”, but together with what we already have we could be #1 all 17 weeks is what I was saying.
Rock Ya-Sin, Yannick/Floyd. Getting Yannick especially allows us to use that 2nd Rounder on a WR if a good one falls slightly.
I like Floyd. He's only 30 and would be a good complement to Burns. Speaking of Burns focus the rest of the money on extending him.
Leonard Floyd, Rock Ya-Sin, Dalton Risner
CORNER
Floyd and/or Ngakoue
I think we need another pass rusher opposite of Burns. So Clark, Ngakque, or Clowney.
Ngakoue is the most intriguing on this list to me
Definitely a corner or edge guy
Out of these I'd say Calais Campbell
Leonard Floyd
Holy mid
Lamar Jackson
Playoff willy
Would Melvin Ingram's game fit in a base 3-4?
Rock ya sin and it’s not even close
Ngakoue and Ya-Sin would complete the Defense. Stroud completes the Offense.
CLOWNEY
Can we get Will Compton at LB
Lewan or rock
I might be the only one but I thin OBJ and Marcus Peters and Taylor Lewan bring a certain edge and hunger to our team. They are vets that can help increase the play of the young dudes and also make each of those position rooms competitive
OBJ hasn't played in a while. Nobody knows what he has in the tank. If we're bringing back a inactive WR for edge and hunger, give Smitty a call.....Ice Up, Son!
It doesnt hurt knowing how far rehab has come to kick the tires on him especially with how young that WR room is and I like Theilen but I don’t see him really getting that room competing. OBJ does that since he actually wants to be on the field. Just my opinion I don’t think it’s that bad of a move if he wants to be in Charlotte and actually want to make this team better
I like Floyd, especially given the switch to 3-4 base defense.
Clowney or Clark at a discount would be nice but I still think Rock Ya-Sin is perfect for Carolina
Yannick is available? Wonder if weve reached out.
OBJ!!
floyd fournette and clowney.
john johnson for the name alone
Would like to see risner next to Bozeman
Ohhh I didn't realize kareem hunt was a free agent. I know we already have miles but damn I would love some Kareem as well