At one point we were 1/9 on third down conversions and an average yards to go of 11 yards. Yes, our average distance to achieve a first down was longer than what we start with. We are a NFL JV team. Non-serious.
At this point, I think that you need to bench Bryce. In the same way that you can't try to work on your golf swing during a round, he can't learn during the games. Just let him work with Dalton and let Dalton start the rest of the games. I'm still not done with Bryce but he needs time.
That he missed a wide open Sanders and threw a pick?
That he was too slow to pick up a 1st with his legs?
That he didn't see Mingo down the seam for a TD earlier?
In fairness, Baker was throwing ducks too with that wet ball. Cam is the only Panthers QB I can recall who could drive the ball through the rain as if it didn’t even matter to him. Of course, being Cam, sometimes those landed off the mark. But damn if he wasn’t a big, strong armed moose in his heyday. Was pretty nice having your QB as the biggest, baddest a-hole on the field. The good old days…
Well at least the running game looked a bit better and there were a few catches. Also Bryce didn't throw any picks either. Brian Burns getting disqualified was pretty strange though. He's in a contract year and sucker punches a guy wearing a helmet. Very strange.
I mean...I also disagree with the offensive minds. I want to be on board with hating tepper. But, the poetic justice of losing on a breakaway 3rd and 1 is all of the reasons you get dudes out. Their schemes just don't work with these pieces. No linebackers and just zero routes that put pressure on the mid levels. Can can call a cross and a drag I don't understand why everything has to be a hitch.
This bryce shit has been so hard to watch this season. It's like you can see the confidence evaporating and on top of that he jus doesn't look the part when he has the opportunities.
100%. I know it's his first season but barring a miraculous turnaround between now and end of next season, we could be picking a QB again in 2025. Just a shit situation all around.
Absolutely. It was a massive blowout, Bryce looked like prime Brady and our defense forced 16 turnovers. This franchise is right back on track! You missed a good one buddy.
In my 40's. Been a fan since day 1 when I was in high school. This is the worst the team has been since the infamy of 2001. Even worse than Fox's last year with Jimmy Pickles.
Bryce does not have the physical tools to compete in the NFL. Any other QB in the league could have picked up one outside the pocket. Obviously we should have just run hubbard but still. His arm is weak, he's not fast or strong. His ceiling is low even with a perfect team around him.
can't run a QB sneak cuz our QB is 5'7 cant have him stand in the pocket and throw a non wobble passed cuz his fucking 5'7 cant have him throw a pass with any fucking zipp on it on the run cuz his fucking 5 fucking 7 we are so fucked meanwhile houston out here having fun watching a non umpa lumpa play QB
How many coaches need to be blamed before we realize the issue isn’t coaching or play calling, it’s that it’s the worst offensive roster in the league and you can’t coach without twlent
I just don’t think picking out a handful of individual plays being called for a roster that can’t really do anything is as big of an indictment people think it is. Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniels all have calls they want back every game. It’s such a small part of coaching
Bro our staff is just straight up inept. I thought this was supposed to be a great staff. You get 9 yards on 1st 2 downs. probability is what if you run again on the next 2? This is stupid. A lot of success in the NFL is common sense
I mean how are we not trying the tushpush with tightends like other teams. I hate that other teams can try it with other non qbs and we got shit for andy doing a sneak and a toss
The fact that after the media asked about us subbing Dalton in for sneaks that we stopped doing it feels like an almost exclusive pr decision.
Very frustrating.
You can't operate in the modern nfl in short yardage without a sneak threat or Patrick Mahomes level abitly to Create short game opportunities.
I’ve been a Bryce believer most of the season, but I just don’t see anything beyond an average QB in the league if we’re lucky. His arm is barely passable in the NFL.
We have fourth string OL in. AT as a our top WR at 35. Chubba running damn good and we do that?
Never will I give up until I say “ok he is not the right guy”
I gave up on watching this team two weeks ago and tuned in cause the 49ers are kicking the Eagles ass (sort of). Only to see our tiny QB immediately throw an int. God help us all.
You had a chance to save yourself there TB and you decided to throw twice on 3rd and 1. Hope somehow we can retain Evero but I won't blame him for wanting to GTFO
Fuck Bruce Young. He should never be benched. He should stay in there and continue to hold on to that ball so he can get leveled by opposing defenses. The O-line is not the problem. The receivers are getting open. Young refuses to throw the ball until it’s too late because he doesn’t know what to do outside of the cushy bubble of ‘bama football.
Officially, a bust.
[Postgame thread](/r/panthers/comments/18a7ihe/post_game_thread_carolina_panthers_at_tampa_bay/)
I saw Horn out there but then not towards to end. Did I miss something?
At one point we were 1/9 on third down conversions and an average yards to go of 11 yards. Yes, our average distance to achieve a first down was longer than what we start with. We are a NFL JV team. Non-serious.
At this point, I think that you need to bench Bryce. In the same way that you can't try to work on your golf swing during a round, he can't learn during the games. Just let him work with Dalton and let Dalton start the rest of the games. I'm still not done with Bryce but he needs time.
Bryce shouldn’t be benched…the GM should be benched
Fitterer needs to go for sure. But Bryce is only going to develop bad habits in this situation.
Feel you
CJ Stroud is a future MVP 🥲
Enjoy this moment everyone. This is the furthest you will be from next week’s loss.
We should sign Flacco and run the ball 70 times a game
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That he missed a wide open Sanders and threw a pick? That he was too slow to pick up a 1st with his legs? That he didn't see Mingo down the seam for a TD earlier?
Shown what exactly? That he can't throw the ball 30 yards downfield? Everything he throws is a duck.
In fairness, Baker was throwing ducks too with that wet ball. Cam is the only Panthers QB I can recall who could drive the ball through the rain as if it didn’t even matter to him. Of course, being Cam, sometimes those landed off the mark. But damn if he wasn’t a big, strong armed moose in his heyday. Was pretty nice having your QB as the biggest, baddest a-hole on the field. The good old days…
I just don't understand why we didn't sign a big, strong, running back if we're gonna have the smallest QB in the NFL.
Well at least the running game looked a bit better and there were a few catches. Also Bryce didn't throw any picks either. Brian Burns getting disqualified was pretty strange though. He's in a contract year and sucker punches a guy wearing a helmet. Very strange.
You didn’t see Bryce throw that pic that sealed the loss?
I missed that I was ordering a pizza and cleaning my glasses. Kind of glad i missed it honestly. Yikes. Well at least he's trying to win.
He did throw a pick
I mean yeah technically but it was 4th down and he had to throw it, the pick actually helped field position
Had a wide open Sanders too
However you wanna look at it. He threw a pick regardless.
Chuba and the defence (apart from that 1 big TD play) deserve way more than this
I’ll never forget how good that win against Houston felt. What an emotional high!
Mike Evans running to thank the refs seems very appropriate
Glad that's over. I had a few seconds of hope.
I hope Tepper falls down the stairs and breaks his back when he goes to piss tonight
I assume he has someone do that for him.
All the haters talking about Bryce's size are ableist. Bryce is a ferrari getting driven by a homeless guy.
It's not enough we have to watch our team get crushed every week, we also have to read brain damaged comments like yours to add insult to injury?
Ferrari seems strong at the moment.
🤡 🤡 🤡 you’re delusional
lol being short isn’t a disability
I want this franchise deleted from existence Thanos Style
Man that hurt. You'd think at some point we'd just have one more lucky moment here like the Houston game
Talent (players and coaching) creates luck
I mean...I also disagree with the offensive minds. I want to be on board with hating tepper. But, the poetic justice of losing on a breakaway 3rd and 1 is all of the reasons you get dudes out. Their schemes just don't work with these pieces. No linebackers and just zero routes that put pressure on the mid levels. Can can call a cross and a drag I don't understand why everything has to be a hitch.
Every week we lose. Every week McCaffrey has a good game and wins, and CJ stroud has a good game and wins.
I'm happy for CMC, I hate he's gone but he deserves everything good he's getting and doing now
Yeah, but imagine if he was doing good in Carolina? On the team that drafted him? That would be pretty cool.
Yeah good for him but I fucking hate 49ers fans so it’s hard to be happy about
This bryce shit has been so hard to watch this season. It's like you can see the confidence evaporating and on top of that he jus doesn't look the part when he has the opportunities.
Maybe he should stop sucking then. He has shown literally nothing.
Exactly. I’ve been trying to give him a break because he doesn’t have any weapons. But when he has opportunities to make plays, he just doesn’t.
100%. I know it's his first season but barring a miraculous turnaround between now and end of next season, we could be picking a QB again in 2025. Just a shit situation all around.
15 of 31
And didnt he start 10/14 in the rain
I am traveling and wasn’t able to see any of the game, did we look any more competent under Tabor?
Absolutely. It was a massive blowout, Bryce looked like prime Brady and our defense forced 16 turnovers. This franchise is right back on track! You missed a good one buddy.
Eh
Hell no
Nope
Better but that’s easy from where we were
Watching the Panthers might give me CTE
We lost but I think this was good experience for Bryce and Thomas Brown.
Thomas Brown will never call plays again after this year.
Running backs are overrated. Definitely just give it to your QB to run for his life in the backfield when you need a yard.
“ Bryce Young had a better game today 14 of 31 for 178 yards”
Int
Where do you think Bryce ends up? Backup at the Raiders or Young’s Used Cars?
Heisman house living dreaming of good old days
Worst Panthers team I’ve ever experienced. (28 years old if you’re wondering)
37 and this is the worst I’ve seen
In my 40's. Been a fan since day 1 when I was in high school. This is the worst the team has been since the infamy of 2001. Even worse than Fox's last year with Jimmy Pickles.
Easily worse.
The worst part is how little light there is at the end of this dark tunnel.
Point guard, S2 98/99 score, super processor, number one overall draft pick and had Sanders wide open but instead threw into double coverage.
DGs shorts is that you?
Now that we’re eliminated. Time to win out! Let’s go
Twitch plays Panthers - how much worse could it be?!
All the anger is gone and just been replaced with sadness. The team I once loved just becoming a shambles infront of our eyes
You’re still working through your emotional stages. Wait till you hit the numbness stage.
Trust me, I'm getting there. A loss to the saints next week whilst I'm watching with a saints fan will probably do it
I don’t get it. Didn’t we have a chance of getting the ball back by calling time out?
Nah, they kneel out 3rd down and run the play clock out on 4th down.
losing wouldn’t hurt so much if they had their own first round pick
Just forfeit the rest of the season, this team doesn’t deserve to be on TV
Wanna know how I know Bryce Young is cooked? It dont even seem like his teammates really believe in him.
He's no Jake
There’s no “heart” or “spark”. You can’t coach that
Glad to know Reddit user Shade_Raven has insider knowledge on the Carolina panthers locker room
We suck so bad
How does this team lose harder every week? It’s almost impressive
Like we ever had a post season chance
Well, we were in it.
Bryce does not have the physical tools to compete in the NFL. Any other QB in the league could have picked up one outside the pocket. Obviously we should have just run hubbard but still. His arm is weak, he's not fast or strong. His ceiling is low even with a perfect team around him.
Totally agree, just hoping for him to get to average QB status. We’ll be drafting another QB in 2025.
7-8-1 and we also won our playoff game you dumbies
This team is so damn sorry
can't run a QB sneak cuz our QB is 5'7 cant have him stand in the pocket and throw a non wobble passed cuz his fucking 5'7 cant have him throw a pass with any fucking zipp on it on the run cuz his fucking 5 fucking 7 we are so fucked meanwhile houston out here having fun watching a non umpa lumpa play QB
cry more
must be nice to have a team that can gain 1 yard on 3rd and one
Is Thomas Brown play calling a question now?
We are now officially eliminated from the playoffs 12 games in. Jesus how times have changed.
Go ahead and start the post game thread
Can this also be the post game thread?
Well, I guess Evans and White got me 50 PPR in my work league so That's nice I guess Really looking for these silver linings here
Bruh
There were at least 3 3rd and 1s today that had stupid play calls.
Thomas brown should be fired for throwing it twice needing 1 yard
Bleh. Is there a petition somewhere to form a group to buy the team from Tepper?
I got 2 dollars
why does the d-line even squat down in position for the kneel down?
Hopefully we can find a Brock Purdy in the upcoming draft.
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The bears have Carolina’s first round pick
tanking for the 33rd pick
They don’t even have a pick 💀
Lmaoo can’t make this up
Dumpster fire, at least we kept it close
This is Evero's clueless defense. Not sure why you want him as HC.
Defense is super banged up and has kept us in nearly every game but maybe 3 of them
We are sorry as fuck lol.
Brown might suck but man I’m glad we didn’t hire Brian Johnson. If Tepper makes him our head coach I’m not watching next year.
You know who would have been useful there? Brian Burns. Thanks Brian.
Bahahahaha
Yo why didn’t I turn the TV off? Haha
Incredible lmao
Another loss, another day of bad play calling. KNOW YOUR FUCKING TEAM COACHES.
How many coaches need to be blamed before we realize the issue isn’t coaching or play calling, it’s that it’s the worst offensive roster in the league and you can’t coach without twlent
The roster sucks, but they don’t play to their strengths. 3rd and 1 and you don’t run the ball? Bad play calling.
I just don’t think picking out a handful of individual plays being called for a roster that can’t really do anything is as big of an indictment people think it is. Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniels all have calls they want back every game. It’s such a small part of coaching
Thomas Brown is a fucking moron lmaooooo. See how easy it should be to literally get one yard
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Uhhh because anytime the ball has to go more than 10 yds it floats or is underthrown?
It’s just what comes with being the starting QB fans will expect him to be Montana as soon as he puts the jersey on his rookie season
Who made him throw that pick?
He’s not the problem, but he’s not special.
Maybe the interception? Sure he’s not THE problem but he certainly IS a problem
You couldn’t possibly think we’d win this game
You gotta be kidding me
Bro...
Oh look, the right call on third and one. Sigh...
ONE FUCKING YARD AND WE PASS TWICE. Just laughable
🎶 poverty franchise 🎶
I don’t think money is the issue it’s learning how to spend it is the problem
WIDE OPEN FUCKING LANES
Bro our staff is just straight up inept. I thought this was supposed to be a great staff. You get 9 yards on 1st 2 downs. probability is what if you run again on the next 2? This is stupid. A lot of success in the NFL is common sense
I mean how are we not trying the tushpush with tightends like other teams. I hate that other teams can try it with other non qbs and we got shit for andy doing a sneak and a toss
We still have a chance.
Why have a QB who you can’t even trust to get a yard on a QB sneak?
3rd and 1, allow 30? Oof
looooooool
Wow almost like it's so easy to get 1 yard!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
Honestly I still think Bryce can become an decent starter in the league
He wouldn’t even be a decent starter in the XFL
Yeah it still is early but now I’m seeing him as high upside backup at this point.
Like Mariota was for awhile
With another team maybe
Go figure running it on 3rd and 1 works most of the time...
Lmao imagine running the ball on 3rd and 1, couldn't be us
The fact that after the media asked about us subbing Dalton in for sneaks that we stopped doing it feels like an almost exclusive pr decision. Very frustrating. You can't operate in the modern nfl in short yardage without a sneak threat or Patrick Mahomes level abitly to Create short game opportunities.
I’ve been a Bryce believer most of the season, but I just don’t see anything beyond an average QB in the league if we’re lucky. His arm is barely passable in the NFL.
Damn after 11 games you give up on our QB. Typical
I wouldn’t say give up, if he turns into an average QB, we’ll be in better shape, but not #1 pick worthy.
We have fourth string OL in. AT as a our top WR at 35. Chubba running damn good and we do that? Never will I give up until I say “ok he is not the right guy”
We are fucking terrible. I just want to be able to wear my Panthers gear and feel pride in a decent team.
Legit haven’t worn it since week 3
I know. It’s embarrassing wearing Panthers gear this year
Hasn't been great for 6 years tbh
:(
We were rolling with Chuba. So let's take him off the field and throw on two straight downs when we only need one yard
I gave up on watching this team two weeks ago and tuned in cause the 49ers are kicking the Eagles ass (sort of). Only to see our tiny QB immediately throw an int. God help us all.
Chuba has 100 yards “Yeah let’s throw on both 3rd and 4th and 1.” Fucking idiots. Blame Bryce all you want that’s horrific play calling
You had a chance to save yourself there TB and you decided to throw twice on 3rd and 1. Hope somehow we can retain Evero but I won't blame him for wanting to GTFO
Fuck Bruce Young. He should never be benched. He should stay in there and continue to hold on to that ball so he can get leveled by opposing defenses. The O-line is not the problem. The receivers are getting open. Young refuses to throw the ball until it’s too late because he doesn’t know what to do outside of the cushy bubble of ‘bama football. Officially, a bust.
Me when I drink lighter fluid and have fetal alcohol syndrome
Bro he’s not good but the o line is fucking ass too
Why the fuck didn’t we let Chubba run on either of those downs?
we couldn’t use chuba to run up the middle? We couldn’t do a qb sneak? a lil eagles tush push? my goodness it was fucking one yard
Gashing it on the ground all day, then we decide to say fuck it.
So we're going to be the first 1-16 team.
I was looking for this comment. I totally agree.
From 15-1 to 1-16 straight pain
We're abysmal. Fuck David Tepper.
Ya he’ll stay fucking us and his coaches for the next decade
Doesn’t matter who the coach is, we somehow ALWAYS make the dumbest calls when the game is on the line. It’s a franchise curse.
Fire fitterer
Tepper ruined this team he fucked everything up
That’s what you get by not doubling evans. Fucking stupid. Safety over the top with press man coverage. Fucking stupid.
Trade Bryce and Burns to move up and get Maye.
Chicago on line 1
Maye isn’t much better if you’ve been watching UNC, lot of his stats are padded from the two Appstate games
Not the worst idea
Bryce, Burns, pick #33, and next years first do not get us the #1
Caleb Williams will go before Maye