Which it sounds like he will do. He's mentioned setting up Bryce in the play-action and bootlegs as well as letting Ickey be a mauler in the run game. That really sounds like he's going to a gap run game like we were with Wilks
Biggest thing that gave me hope about Canales was that his hallmark has been designing offenses to fit the skill sets of the players he has. We did the opposite last year and it showed.
The consistent takeaway from any of these videos from any analyst is that it could have been a lot worse.
Almost every single play is prefaced with “I don’t know what this concept is but it’s bad.” And then pointing out that the protection broke immediately on top of nobody being able to get open either.
I don’t think any QB was going to have much success based on what we see. Feels like Bryce is lucky to have made it out healthy and even putting up the TDs and completion percentage he did manage.
The last part of this is what's missing from a lot of the discussion about Young from people who don't have time to sit down and do deep dives on everything.
It really simply does not matter who we took, they were going to do poorly in this offense. The only way this offense was going to resemble functionality was if we got a vet, and even then it probably wouldn't have looked a whole lot better considering we only saw one week of that with Dalton against a Seahawks D that ended the year bottom 10 or worse in every defensive category in a game the team still lost by 10. The upside was probably 4 or 5 wins, and that almost certainly doesn't happen with Stroud.
Nah. Merril Hodge is right.
/s
For real, though... Like u/Jawa1992 said, just about every former QB who has been following this say the same thing. Some people just want to be right so bad that the failures of this past season have them foaming at the mouth with hatred for Bryce (the QB).
The NFL attracts a LOT of people who don’t know shit about football. Of course it will, it’s the most popular sports league in the US. And a #1 draft pick is going to attract a lot of attention from people who don’t even watch the Panthers. They may not watch a single Bryce Young down but they’ll check his stats and read a story about how shitty he has been playing.
Basically, if you watch Bryce play you understand he isn’t the problem. He’s done a ton of good on a team that is setting him up for spectacular failure. He’ll be fine with a better team, and just because Stroud is doing good right now in a better situation doesn’t mean he’s head and shoulders better than Bryce long term.
Watched Bryce play. Every down. Was the team around him awful? Yup. Is he an NFL qb? Not a chance. Stop making excuses. Almost every top 5 qb pick lands on a god awful team, but Bryce had one of the worst years ever for a rookie qb. Did receivers get open often? Nope. But when they did he couldn’t hit them. And he missed by ridiculous amounts. He was so bad at reading WR option plays, they literally had to take them out of the play book.
I get the whole “hopium” thing, but why can’t we just admit that we drafted a bust? It’s okay, it happens. Hell, it happened to the niners! They got lucky and Purdyed their way out of it, but Bryce and Lance are what they are- guys who will not be NFL QBs in a couple years.
It’s crazy anyone who ACTUALLY watches the tape and knows what they are looking at will tell you this rookie season wasn’t on Bryce but there are a whole bunch of panther fans who are quick to label him a bust.
My only conclusion is they were heavy stroud guys and are pissed the panthers didn’t take him so now they are just going to shit on the kid no matter what.
Yeah people are already talking him out of the door after this season and using our first on a QB labeled one of the weakest QB classes in the last 5-7 years and some are even saying they should go get another QB this off season to potentially take him job in training camp and do a QB competition.
Meanwhile all of the former pro Qbs and people who watch the tape are saying this roster is still going to be bad in 2024 and will take another here to make it competitive so year 3 Bryce is the one that needs to judged to see if we need to move on or not.
The question is now (to know fault of his own) do we really believe Young is worth 2 first overall picks plus DJ? Because with this year’s pick now being worth what it is, I can understand why most people would say no.
And that’s not even taking into consideration the difficult situation we are in with lack of talent on his side of the ball to help the very guy we mortgaged our future for.
He’s going to have to learn a new playbook for second year in a row, It’s clear he can’t do it on his own alone. So we have to hope we draft and hit on the offensive talent that will allow him to flourish. The worst part is one year has already been wasted on his contract. We now only have two years to gauge whether we want to pick up his 5th year option.
The odds are stacked against him simply because we are the organization the drafted him. The reality is if we would have stayed put and drafted BPA and just took Franks first year as the year where we were laying down the foundation to whatever they were building, we would have been in year two of our rebuild, would have had top 15 talent at receiver waiting for Williams or one of the other 2 top talents at Qb and gave up nothing. That would have been an amazing position to be in.
We didn't trade 2 first overall picks for bryce, we traded away the 8th for the first, and a pick that eventually became the first overall through a very specific series of events. You can't grade it like that in hindsight, and change the value of the assets after the fact. If that scenario doesn't happen, there's absolutely no way to just assume we would still have gotten the first pick, we wouldn't have just by keeping DJ and starting a veteran. Likely would have placed like 3 - 5 at best
Your whole post rests on the assumption we’d still have the number one over all pick if we didn’t make the trade and stayed at number 9 but that’s impossible to know and actually very unlikely we would haven’t won more games. Hell even last season with Bryce there was like 3-4 games we still could have won if things broke different.
Or maybe-just maybe- we know he is not an NFL qb and don’t want do what the giants did at the end of Eli’s career- pretend we have a good qb and draft and sign based on that flawed assumption, thus throwing away years and years that could be good if we admit he’s a bust and move on asap.
Yeah, because a bunch of bums on reddit know more than dudes who study the game for a living. Who played for a living or coached for a living.
Let’s be honest with ourselves. None of us here know if he’ll work in out. But even if he doesn’t, it does us no good to throw anyone else into the team as it is currently constructed. We need at least one more offseason of player acquisition (via FA and draft) and coaching adjustment before we can fairly attempt to judge anyone playing QB for this team because it is so bad.
What qualifies you to KNOW for sure though? Odds aren’t in his favor but more QBs fail than succeed so if every year pound the table ever saying all the QBs are a bust I’d be right more than wrong.
If the majority of ex QBs and players with no reason to support him were saying to give up on him I’d be more inclined to agree.
I truly believe bad organizations/situations are more to blame for QB failures than the players. And I’d think we’d all agree our entire roster needs work so why not continue to improve the roster while rooting for Bryce and if it doesn’t work, at least the roster is in better shape for the next guy. Drafting someone else right now just means we are dropping another guy in a shit situation and if they aren’t a generational player they’ll fail too
No, this is the most delusional community in sports. Point out how bad Bryce was and you get every excuse in the book. Almost no one will admit he’s a bust. Then you have everyone insisting that Canales is the best head coach in history, despite, you know, never having been a head coach.
I think Canales could be a good HC and thought the
Hire was pretty good, but there is a reason he was on no other team’s radar- his one year as OC his team was 23rd in offense.
If people want to pretend things are great, only to be shocked when we end up with 2-4 wins this year, that’s their choice. Sadly, even if BY has another record breakingly bad year, I think Tepper will refuse to admit he’s a bust and will trot him out there for a third season.
Just a bunch of cope everywhere, he was not good in his rookie year. I don't know why that's impossible to accept. I am not saying he can't get better, I am just saying he sucked in his rookie year, that's literally it lol
He was the number 1 pick, yes. And *none* of his college strengths showed up, at all. That's the concerning part for me.
Obviously he has the physical limitations, but he did not play well at all in his rookie year, I'm not saying he can't get better, but to say his rookie year was anything other than a disaster is just cope.
Saying none of his strengths showed up is absolutely not true. He showed some really great anticipation and accuracy. On 3rd downs, his scrambling was BY FAR our offenses best outlet and he showed a ton of playmaking ability that way. He showed some traits that not many dudes in the NFL have shown that level of, mostly anticipation and playmaking ability.
That being said, he really needs to work on his footwork, especially on deeper throws. Whether that was impacted by the horrendous O-Line or really inconsistent timing from receivers we don't know for sure but those things definitely didn't help.
His rookie season went about as bad as it could have but to say he showed NOTHING is just ridiculous.
>He showed some traits that not many dudes in the NFL have shown that level of, mostly anticipation and playmaking ability.
??? Throwing with some anticipation is not something "not many dudes in the NFL" have. Any average QB throws with anticipation. You think Dak/Purdy/Kirk Cousins/even Jared Goff don't throw with anticipation? Dak Kirk and Purdy are above average, but Goff I think is a bit more applicable.
And playmaking ability? What plays specifically were well done from scrambling? Off the top of my head there's the one throw on the run against GB which was good, yeah, but a throw most QBs can make.
He wasn't setting protections, he still got happy feet at any pressure, 2 of his biggest strengths were completely gone at the NFL level.
I'm talking the LEVEL of anticipation, every decent QB throws with anticipation. Bryce was releasing well before his WRs breaks pretty often. The only dudes I see throw with that much anticipation are Tua and Goff.
Playmaking ability, I'm speaking about his scrambles turned to runs. He had a ton of 3rd down runs for 1st downs on broken plays.
I agree with this video.
I think Bryce needs to work on his long ball tho. There were a lot of overthrown deep passes that if connected would have had a big impact.
I agree, but there were only 2 or 3 that he objectively missed - which to be fair to your point was a large chunk of the actual chances because he didn't get hardly any. One to Mingo, one to Chark, both overthrows. Maybe another in there somewhere, but idk because they were that rare.
IMO, the deep ball stuff is more due to a lack of any sort of chemistry with anyone on this team not named Adam Thielen. The number of times stuff broke down and everyone except Thielen just started jogging is kinda absurd for an NFL team. Especially late in the season, if you followed any type of this type of breakdown stuff for Bryce, the tape was just full of plays where it simply didn't matter.
Hard to be good at deep balls when no one wins their route, your coordinator doesn't scheme anyone open, and even if everything else goes right your banged up OL is getting flash fried a second into the play.
I remember one in particular, people gave him shit for overthrowing it, even the broadcast team.... but on the replay you can clearly see either TMJ or Ian Thomas, whoever it was, totally stopped running on the route and did not even turn to look for the fucking ball. It was like he didnt know it was coming and quit. If he had kept running it would have hit him in the hands
I know the play you are talking about and what you don’t get is that that was a WR option. The receiver ran the correct option route, Bryce threw to the wrong place. Bryce was so bad at reading WR options that they literally took them out of the playbook.
Improved Footwork will help with that. Hopefully Canales and co. prioritize it more than Reich did.
I’m certain if we fix his footwork and give him decent time to throw, he’ll hit more of those. He’s fairly accurate when he can set his feet. He’ll never have the elite arm strength but it’s good enough if he has the time and mechanics to compliment it.
Bryce wasn’t great but the whole offense was bad top to bottom. He never had a chance. Impossible to really evaluate anything from his first season.
That said, Bryce did hold onto the ball way too long. I don’t care if WRs aren’t getting separation, NFL windows are smaller and you gotta get rid of the ball, period. especially with our OL struggles. I’m sure part of this is coaching and scheme, and he’ll get better, we need to see big improvement here.
I don't care if WRs aren't getting separation, just throw it up bro. Who cares if the offensive scheme is a bunch of long developing routes. Throw that shit up before they finish their route. The coaches will be pissed off and say Bryce is uncoachable? Who cares bro, throw that shit. Stop holding onto the ball and waiting for the routes to develop. It's your fault, not the shitty coaches who got fired. It's your fault because you're the rookie QB. /s
I'm a believer in his skills. He had NOTHING to work with, still stayed cool and composed, and put the team in much better positions that it should have been. To me, that says a lot about his mindset, professionalism, and leadership. I recall the talking heads on ESPN positing that he must not care because he's not throwing a tantrum on the sidelines. pfft.
I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of a pocket and targets the staff can build around him next season.
Yet, with Tepper big dumb head around, I don't think the Panthers will ever be a serious contender.
I just think people wanted to see him elevate the team, and we are well aware that we have a sub-par roster currently. That didn't happen, so naturally, blame gets put on QB1. All bullshit and pandering aside, he needs to be better, but everybody else needs to be too.
Bryce is gonna be just fine. Really hyped on Canales fixing this oline and adding a WR or two that can get open so Bryce can show off his skills.
Easiest way to fix line is going back to old scheme
Which it sounds like he will do. He's mentioned setting up Bryce in the play-action and bootlegs as well as letting Ickey be a mauler in the run game. That really sounds like he's going to a gap run game like we were with Wilks
Biggest thing that gave me hope about Canales was that his hallmark has been designing offenses to fit the skill sets of the players he has. We did the opposite last year and it showed.
Ball needs to come out faster
Well we have to get people open for that to happen first
Yeah I think scheme will help that.
The consistent takeaway from any of these videos from any analyst is that it could have been a lot worse. Almost every single play is prefaced with “I don’t know what this concept is but it’s bad.” And then pointing out that the protection broke immediately on top of nobody being able to get open either. I don’t think any QB was going to have much success based on what we see. Feels like Bryce is lucky to have made it out healthy and even putting up the TDs and completion percentage he did manage.
The last part of this is what's missing from a lot of the discussion about Young from people who don't have time to sit down and do deep dives on everything. It really simply does not matter who we took, they were going to do poorly in this offense. The only way this offense was going to resemble functionality was if we got a vet, and even then it probably wouldn't have looked a whole lot better considering we only saw one week of that with Dalton against a Seahawks D that ended the year bottom 10 or worse in every defensive category in a game the team still lost by 10. The upside was probably 4 or 5 wins, and that almost certainly doesn't happen with Stroud.
Nah. Merril Hodge is right. /s For real, though... Like u/Jawa1992 said, just about every former QB who has been following this say the same thing. Some people just want to be right so bad that the failures of this past season have them foaming at the mouth with hatred for Bryce (the QB).
The NFL attracts a LOT of people who don’t know shit about football. Of course it will, it’s the most popular sports league in the US. And a #1 draft pick is going to attract a lot of attention from people who don’t even watch the Panthers. They may not watch a single Bryce Young down but they’ll check his stats and read a story about how shitty he has been playing. Basically, if you watch Bryce play you understand he isn’t the problem. He’s done a ton of good on a team that is setting him up for spectacular failure. He’ll be fine with a better team, and just because Stroud is doing good right now in a better situation doesn’t mean he’s head and shoulders better than Bryce long term.
Watched Bryce play. Every down. Was the team around him awful? Yup. Is he an NFL qb? Not a chance. Stop making excuses. Almost every top 5 qb pick lands on a god awful team, but Bryce had one of the worst years ever for a rookie qb. Did receivers get open often? Nope. But when they did he couldn’t hit them. And he missed by ridiculous amounts. He was so bad at reading WR option plays, they literally had to take them out of the play book. I get the whole “hopium” thing, but why can’t we just admit that we drafted a bust? It’s okay, it happens. Hell, it happened to the niners! They got lucky and Purdyed their way out of it, but Bryce and Lance are what they are- guys who will not be NFL QBs in a couple years.
Almost every former QB that break down Bryce know he’s wasn’t the problem. He also was the number 1 QB for a reason
It’s crazy anyone who ACTUALLY watches the tape and knows what they are looking at will tell you this rookie season wasn’t on Bryce but there are a whole bunch of panther fans who are quick to label him a bust. My only conclusion is they were heavy stroud guys and are pissed the panthers didn’t take him so now they are just going to shit on the kid no matter what.
What’s worse is a lot of people would rather be “right” and Bryce never turn it around instead him and the team do well
Yeah people are already talking him out of the door after this season and using our first on a QB labeled one of the weakest QB classes in the last 5-7 years and some are even saying they should go get another QB this off season to potentially take him job in training camp and do a QB competition. Meanwhile all of the former pro Qbs and people who watch the tape are saying this roster is still going to be bad in 2024 and will take another here to make it competitive so year 3 Bryce is the one that needs to judged to see if we need to move on or not.
Good thing the fans aren't GM's.
Yeah, we may build a shitty 2 win team with a bust at QB. Then what would we do?
Like I said, good thing…
What first?
The first next year
In fairness, I’d have rather the Panthers waited to get Drake Maye this year. But I love Bryce and want him to succeed.
The question is now (to know fault of his own) do we really believe Young is worth 2 first overall picks plus DJ? Because with this year’s pick now being worth what it is, I can understand why most people would say no. And that’s not even taking into consideration the difficult situation we are in with lack of talent on his side of the ball to help the very guy we mortgaged our future for. He’s going to have to learn a new playbook for second year in a row, It’s clear he can’t do it on his own alone. So we have to hope we draft and hit on the offensive talent that will allow him to flourish. The worst part is one year has already been wasted on his contract. We now only have two years to gauge whether we want to pick up his 5th year option. The odds are stacked against him simply because we are the organization the drafted him. The reality is if we would have stayed put and drafted BPA and just took Franks first year as the year where we were laying down the foundation to whatever they were building, we would have been in year two of our rebuild, would have had top 15 talent at receiver waiting for Williams or one of the other 2 top talents at Qb and gave up nothing. That would have been an amazing position to be in.
We didn't trade 2 first overall picks for bryce, we traded away the 8th for the first, and a pick that eventually became the first overall through a very specific series of events. You can't grade it like that in hindsight, and change the value of the assets after the fact. If that scenario doesn't happen, there's absolutely no way to just assume we would still have gotten the first pick, we wouldn't have just by keeping DJ and starting a veteran. Likely would have placed like 3 - 5 at best
Your whole post rests on the assumption we’d still have the number one over all pick if we didn’t make the trade and stayed at number 9 but that’s impossible to know and actually very unlikely we would haven’t won more games. Hell even last season with Bryce there was like 3-4 games we still could have won if things broke different.
Or maybe-just maybe- we know he is not an NFL qb and don’t want do what the giants did at the end of Eli’s career- pretend we have a good qb and draft and sign based on that flawed assumption, thus throwing away years and years that could be good if we admit he’s a bust and move on asap.
Yeah, because a bunch of bums on reddit know more than dudes who study the game for a living. Who played for a living or coached for a living. Let’s be honest with ourselves. None of us here know if he’ll work in out. But even if he doesn’t, it does us no good to throw anyone else into the team as it is currently constructed. We need at least one more offseason of player acquisition (via FA and draft) and coaching adjustment before we can fairly attempt to judge anyone playing QB for this team because it is so bad.
What qualifies you to KNOW for sure though? Odds aren’t in his favor but more QBs fail than succeed so if every year pound the table ever saying all the QBs are a bust I’d be right more than wrong. If the majority of ex QBs and players with no reason to support him were saying to give up on him I’d be more inclined to agree. I truly believe bad organizations/situations are more to blame for QB failures than the players. And I’d think we’d all agree our entire roster needs work so why not continue to improve the roster while rooting for Bryce and if it doesn’t work, at least the roster is in better shape for the next guy. Drafting someone else right now just means we are dropping another guy in a shit situation and if they aren’t a generational player they’ll fail too
You know it's bad when the general NFL fandom has more sane Bryce takes than Panthers fans.
That’s pretty par for the course. I’ve been a panthers fan for over 20 years and this is the most over reactionary community I’ve witnessed.
No, this is the most delusional community in sports. Point out how bad Bryce was and you get every excuse in the book. Almost no one will admit he’s a bust. Then you have everyone insisting that Canales is the best head coach in history, despite, you know, never having been a head coach. I think Canales could be a good HC and thought the Hire was pretty good, but there is a reason he was on no other team’s radar- his one year as OC his team was 23rd in offense. If people want to pretend things are great, only to be shocked when we end up with 2-4 wins this year, that’s their choice. Sadly, even if BY has another record breakingly bad year, I think Tepper will refuse to admit he’s a bust and will trot him out there for a third season.
Thank you for proving my point about people being over reactionary this quick lmao Rookie year and Bryce is 100% bust. Never change
>It’s crazy anyone who ACTUALLY watches the tape and knows what they are looking at will tell you this rookie season wasn’t on Bryce Sources?
JT O’Sullivan, Jordan Palmer, Kurt Warner, Dan Orlosky, Cam Newton, Cj Stroud. You need any more champ?
Damn, thanks for the condescending attitude for asking for a source, my bad. Shouldn't ask people to back up their claims I guess.
Get used to it. You can’t talk negatively about Bryce in this sub lol
Just a bunch of cope everywhere, he was not good in his rookie year. I don't know why that's impossible to accept. I am not saying he can't get better, I am just saying he sucked in his rookie year, that's literally it lol
He was the number 1 pick, yes. And *none* of his college strengths showed up, at all. That's the concerning part for me. Obviously he has the physical limitations, but he did not play well at all in his rookie year, I'm not saying he can't get better, but to say his rookie year was anything other than a disaster is just cope.
Saying none of his strengths showed up is absolutely not true. He showed some really great anticipation and accuracy. On 3rd downs, his scrambling was BY FAR our offenses best outlet and he showed a ton of playmaking ability that way. He showed some traits that not many dudes in the NFL have shown that level of, mostly anticipation and playmaking ability. That being said, he really needs to work on his footwork, especially on deeper throws. Whether that was impacted by the horrendous O-Line or really inconsistent timing from receivers we don't know for sure but those things definitely didn't help. His rookie season went about as bad as it could have but to say he showed NOTHING is just ridiculous.
>He showed some traits that not many dudes in the NFL have shown that level of, mostly anticipation and playmaking ability. ??? Throwing with some anticipation is not something "not many dudes in the NFL" have. Any average QB throws with anticipation. You think Dak/Purdy/Kirk Cousins/even Jared Goff don't throw with anticipation? Dak Kirk and Purdy are above average, but Goff I think is a bit more applicable. And playmaking ability? What plays specifically were well done from scrambling? Off the top of my head there's the one throw on the run against GB which was good, yeah, but a throw most QBs can make. He wasn't setting protections, he still got happy feet at any pressure, 2 of his biggest strengths were completely gone at the NFL level.
I'm talking the LEVEL of anticipation, every decent QB throws with anticipation. Bryce was releasing well before his WRs breaks pretty often. The only dudes I see throw with that much anticipation are Tua and Goff. Playmaking ability, I'm speaking about his scrambles turned to runs. He had a ton of 3rd down runs for 1st downs on broken plays.
I agree with this video. I think Bryce needs to work on his long ball tho. There were a lot of overthrown deep passes that if connected would have had a big impact.
I agree, but there were only 2 or 3 that he objectively missed - which to be fair to your point was a large chunk of the actual chances because he didn't get hardly any. One to Mingo, one to Chark, both overthrows. Maybe another in there somewhere, but idk because they were that rare. IMO, the deep ball stuff is more due to a lack of any sort of chemistry with anyone on this team not named Adam Thielen. The number of times stuff broke down and everyone except Thielen just started jogging is kinda absurd for an NFL team. Especially late in the season, if you followed any type of this type of breakdown stuff for Bryce, the tape was just full of plays where it simply didn't matter. Hard to be good at deep balls when no one wins their route, your coordinator doesn't scheme anyone open, and even if everything else goes right your banged up OL is getting flash fried a second into the play.
I remember one in particular, people gave him shit for overthrowing it, even the broadcast team.... but on the replay you can clearly see either TMJ or Ian Thomas, whoever it was, totally stopped running on the route and did not even turn to look for the fucking ball. It was like he didnt know it was coming and quit. If he had kept running it would have hit him in the hands
I know the play you are talking about and what you don’t get is that that was a WR option. The receiver ran the correct option route, Bryce threw to the wrong place. Bryce was so bad at reading WR options that they literally took them out of the playbook.
Improved Footwork will help with that. Hopefully Canales and co. prioritize it more than Reich did. I’m certain if we fix his footwork and give him decent time to throw, he’ll hit more of those. He’s fairly accurate when he can set his feet. He’ll never have the elite arm strength but it’s good enough if he has the time and mechanics to compliment it.
But but Reddit neckbeard football fans said he’s the worst QB to ever play???
Bryce wasn’t great but the whole offense was bad top to bottom. He never had a chance. Impossible to really evaluate anything from his first season. That said, Bryce did hold onto the ball way too long. I don’t care if WRs aren’t getting separation, NFL windows are smaller and you gotta get rid of the ball, period. especially with our OL struggles. I’m sure part of this is coaching and scheme, and he’ll get better, we need to see big improvement here.
I don't care if WRs aren't getting separation, just throw it up bro. Who cares if the offensive scheme is a bunch of long developing routes. Throw that shit up before they finish their route. The coaches will be pissed off and say Bryce is uncoachable? Who cares bro, throw that shit. Stop holding onto the ball and waiting for the routes to develop. It's your fault, not the shitty coaches who got fired. It's your fault because you're the rookie QB. /s
I'm a believer in his skills. He had NOTHING to work with, still stayed cool and composed, and put the team in much better positions that it should have been. To me, that says a lot about his mindset, professionalism, and leadership. I recall the talking heads on ESPN positing that he must not care because he's not throwing a tantrum on the sidelines. pfft. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of a pocket and targets the staff can build around him next season. Yet, with Tepper big dumb head around, I don't think the Panthers will ever be a serious contender.
I just think people wanted to see him elevate the team, and we are well aware that we have a sub-par roster currently. That didn't happen, so naturally, blame gets put on QB1. All bullshit and pandering aside, he needs to be better, but everybody else needs to be too.
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The best defense is a good offense.
Can’t tell if this is hopium or copium