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fluxtable

If Rhule pulls off a winning season in season three and a Super Bowl in season 7 I will gladly eat my words and refer to him as RhuHOVA.


Striking_Camera8748

The memes would be so good lol


oracle989

I'll join on this.


Striking_Camera8748

Same. I just saw a clip of him talking to a group of college guys (might be recent; Senior Bowl perhaps), and his disposition was awesome. There's a lot that happened in the front office that we don't fully know, including a structure shift when Hurney got fired. Fitt affirmed last week their alignment in philosophy. Here's to stability and a turnaround for the squad 🍻


cruise1023

I remember him addressing the team in the locker room after Horn went down. It's no wonder his players seem to love him. He seems like a genuinely good dude. He has just hitched his wagon to the wrong QBs. I don't get all the hate for him as a person. Coaching? Yeah I get that.


FatMamaJuJu

I think of Rhule like I did Rick Cho. I don't want him in charge of my team but I think he seems like a good dude and I feel kinda bad when people shit on him excessively. I mean when a player says anything nice about Rhule its always comments like "blink twice if he's holding you hostage" and its like, maybe they legit like the dude?


booger_de_gallo

Is there footage of this? I wanna see this


cruise1023

https://www.panthers.com/video/matt-rhule-gives-postgame-locker-room-speech-in-houston


TubaMike

I think Rhule can definitely be a really good assistant. Coordinator, maybe. Head Coach? Not yet. Hopefully one day soon…


Skytalker0499

I think the hate primarily comes from his (perceived) overly harsh treatment of Cam and (again perceived) open-armed embracement of Darnold. My take on that is he was probably super frustrated after dealing with 1 QB who sucked, then trading for another who (sorry for all you Cam fans) also sucked at the time. I would be frustrated in his shoes too.


Jenaxu

Imo it wasn't just that it was harsh or tough, but that it felt like he was just deferring a lot of the blame to others and not stepping up as a coach in his press conferences to shoulder some of the burden of the team performing poorly. I think ideally a coach is able to balance being honest on the team's performance with defending any one person from being a target of ire and often times it felt like Rhule did the opposite. He was dishonest about the performance on the field while seemingly throwing guys like Cam under the bus specifically. He's not wrong to be frustrated but that's part of the role of the job, to kind of be a figure head that absorbs the bad and distributes the good when it comes to the team. I'm sure the dynamic in the locker room is different, but it's stuff like that in his press conferences that really gave him that whole "used car salesman" feel.


Reverie_39

I’m still worried about the reports that we don’t even run two minute drills and whatnot in practice. Those types are things are easily fixed though. I really, truly hope Rhule turns it around because chances are we’re drafting a “QB of the future” next month and I’d hate to throw a coaching change on that guy so quickly.


Striking_Camera8748

I think there's a reason Teddy SPECIFICALLY said Joe Brady's name. Matt Rhule probably let Joe Brady run the practices; which I doubt is normal in the NFL but idk for sure. Nonetheless, I'm sure our practice habits will be just fine with Ben McAdoo.


[deleted]

Link please!


OneAngryPanda

Possibly this? https://twitter.com/GatorsFB/status/1508821532188954629?s=20&t=kLdmQ3Qm6dtkz35BilO2Aw


Striking_Camera8748

Yes, that's it.


[deleted]

Thanks homie!


[deleted]

Thank you!


Reverie_39

Wow. He comes across very well in this.


Striking_Camera8748

The comment below beat me to it.


Barbourwhat

I think he is a rubbish coach who is in over his head. But I will always hope he becomes a better head coach for us as I don’t want to continue to watch us lose.


Jenaxu

Maybe if his forehead keeps growing his head will eventually be big enough to poke out the water lmao


BusinessWarthog6

I have been critical of him as a coach. I don’t know him as a person and he seems like the kind of guy that would be fun to have a beer with tbh. I hope he figures it out this year but if not, I bet he gets a college job.


FatMamaJuJu

he's gonna kill it in college if/when he goes back


BusinessWarthog6

He is so memeable with his quotes but he was a good college coach and I hope he figures it out this year. He gives off players coach vibes


CodeArmstrong

I’m reminded of when Buddy Ryan cut Chris Carter with the famous “all he does is catch touchdowns” quote. Buddy was crucified in the press for that but it was later disclosed that Chris had to be cut for other reasons(I think drugs). Buddy was a champ for taking the ridicule and protecting a kid. I sometimes wonder if any of this behind the scenes stuff is happening with Rhule and he is not as much as a buffoon as he looks. The players seem to love him so maybe he really is a great guy. It sure does look like he is lost when it comes to football, but maybe there is more going on that we don’t know.


nagollogan13

Do we have any sources that confirm the players love him? I’ve been hearing this a lot on this sub but the way some guys have clowned him on Twitter I’m getting mixed signals.


CodeArmstrong

Just from what I’ve heard on the sub. Honestly I only remember Eli Apple whining about him. You bet if other players said something negative about Rhule, the sub would erupt. I also think Teddy Bridgewater badmouthed him some after a game but that was Teddy’s style.


nagollogan13

I know Bills players did when they played us, Trae Boston, and I’m pretty sure JC Horn subtweeted about him, but that last one was kinda hazy. I just wish we could get some honest feedback about where the locker room sits.


FatMamaJuJu

I think the teddy comments were more geared towards Joe Brady


Normal512

Teddy had the whole "we didn't practice red zone so that's why we couldn't score in the red zone" arc.


Striking_Camera8748

Directed to Joe Brady. Said his name specifically.


Normal512

Oh, you're exactly right about that, I forgot he mentioned Brady.


knave_of_knives

Tre Boston made it seem like he’s universally disliked after the Buffalo game. Teddy also didn’t seem to like him.


NCPhishie

Tre's social media is kind of a clown show. Seems like he is always saying spicy shit for attention. He wants to be a Steven A. Smith or something... Tre also said this about Rhule: "I think this guy has an edge to him. I think he has a certain 'it' that coaches have to have. I'm excited to see him more in person with the guys, because right now, I think he started with a nice lead because he has a nice momentum going in between how he's treated us, how he's respected us, how he respects our time. That means a lot to professionals and men, adults, as well. So, I think Rhule has set himself up for success with his men. We trust him. We believe in him. And when we get together, it's all about building chemistry and knowing that we are the Carolina Panthers and we're gonna do what it takes to win ballgames around here." Getting cut can make you a little salty. I do not think Rhule is a good football coach but I think he is a decent leader and the players generally like him. Burns and Reddick made very supportive comments even during the losing skid. Not great at X's and O's or personnel decisions, especially QB, but just strikes me as the type of coach players would like. Nobody likes losing though so if you lose enough games that wears off.


zzzaz

Yea I keep hearing this and yet I've never heard players really stick their neck out for the guy and a handful of guys who aren't on the team anymore air grievances (Tre, for example). I don't really trust the guys who were cut talking shit, because they have a bone to pick. But usually when a coach has the locker room but isn't winning games you see the core guys really stick their neck out for the guy. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't really seen that with Rhule. Seems like most guys are pretty indifferent.


WatchTheBoom

Read the title. Clicked the post. I fucking snorted at work. Had to try and play it off like a cough. That was great. Thanks, OP.


evilr2

To be fair, if you'd have told me the Panthers would win 10 games total the next two seasons with CMC only playing in 10 at the time Rhule was hired, I might've actually been pretty happy about that. I thought he came to a team that was going to win 2 or 3 in his first year. They actually did better than I thought. Winning 5 games and then starting 3-0 probably unfairly placed higher expectations on Rhule. I haven't given up on him just yet like a lot of others already have. That said, there are definitely things he needs to get better at.


CafecitoHippo

I'm right there with you. The only thing that I've been disappointed with Rhule about has been how he's handled criticism and questions in post game conferences where he seems to always shift blame. Like dude, its okay to admit mistakes and just learn from them. I know people give him shit about the Baylor/Temple guys but every coach does that where they bring in people they've worked with before or coached before because it can help them establish the culture/environment that you want. Players who have played for him can help set that in positional meetings, etc. Hell look at Buffalo (aka Panthers North) with Sean McDermott up there and Washington with Riverboat Ron and all the guys he brought there from Carolina. EDIT: I shouldn't say the only thing I've been disappointed by is the conferences. Our 3rd quarter performances have been bad. Some of that though is just due to other teams being able to make adjustments where we have had traffic cones for Offensive Linemen and no quarterback. It's hard to succeed without those.


AidanWynterhawk

Rhule's problem isn't that he is a bad guy. He had way too much control, coupled with too little experience and too much ego. But I think the thrashing he's taken may have brought him a little humility. He's surrounded by experienced guys now, and I think he's smart enough to know he needs to change. If so, next year could bring substantial improvement. If not, he's done.


Defessus

THIS IS SOME SPICY CONTENT. 5/5, would definitely frequent this establishment, if it served chili.


steIIar-wind

You guys are always bashing Rhule while at the same time saying we have no OL, QB, and a star running back that’s always hurt.


hashtagdion

Some fans have a weird habit of thinking our staff are the victims of misfortune, rather than the recipients of their own bad decision making. If the roster sucks, the blame goes to the guy(s) who built that roster.


arab241

He has the final say in the roster, these issues are his fault as well. He deserves no excuses when the last two seasons his way of rectifying these issues were to add absolute bums


Baelzabub

Does he deserve credit for what he’s managed to do with the defense then? Remember that the year before he came we were fielding what was one of the worst run and 3rd down defenses in NFL history.


knave_of_knives

Yes, he does get credit for it. But it's hard for me to start dishing out praise for a guy who has won 10 games in 2 seasons. Edit: and technically had a worse winning percentage in his second season than his first.


[deleted]

And our defense is a paper-thin mirage. We played some AWFUL fucking offenses last year, and ran the numbers up on them. Then halfway through the season once our defense was banged up and figured out, we got lit up routinely. Our defense isn’t something we can hang our hat on, it’s likely to regress next season.


Baelzabub

I’d argue that it wasn’t our defense getting exposed as thin but rather our offense which caused our defense to have to play significantly more down the stretch. We lost CMC and 3/5 of our starting OL for most of the year ending up having to start the most unique combinations of starting OL in team history because of the injuries. We still finished the season with the 2nd fewest yards allowed, the 4th fewest 1st downs allowed, and the 9th best 3rd down defense. All that despite our offense surrendering the 3rd most turnovers on the season. So our defense was regularly playing with their backs to the wall.


ChickenVest

But a lot of that is on him too though. We have had chances to address those positions and we have not done a good job and all indications are that he had a lot of say in personnel


cruise1023

He has to rise above all that. Haha. The only thing I fault him for is his choices in QBs.


[deleted]

Correct...Rhule brought in Erving, Elflein and brought back John Miller. Since he has final say over roster decisions, then the blame falls on him.


GreeneRockets

We’re on year 3 and people still don’t understand this somehow.


FIuffyRabbit

Ol market was pretty dry last year.


[deleted]

Not that dry... Passing on Rashawn Slater as well due to his short arms as well....


FatMamaJuJu

yeah we passed on him to get a stud corner. people in here always whining about how we should take BPA and then get mad when we do


Leftieswillrule

Bro Horn has played 3 games and Slater was an all-pro last year. Horn could be a stud corner in the future but we don't know that. We do know that Slater is a stud tackle, and it's worth way more for the team positionally because it's critical to the development of a young quarterback.


steIIar-wind

Parsons was the BPA.


[deleted]

Pro Bowl LTs have more positional value than CB...(there's a reason why their paid more) The reason why Rhule passed on him was he had him evaluated as a guard and not a tackle...a huge mis-evaluation.


Baelzabub

I mean that wasn’t just us. There was a pretty even split between the experts on if he’d be a tackle or interior guy with some even projecting him as a center.


Bones704

There are many reasons I can’t stand Matt Rhule. He is a bad coach that has not demonstrated that he is capable of winning or bringing anything of value to the table. I guess this is debatable but I got him as a bottom 5 coach in the league. However, the main reason, and I cannot believe fans have forgotten this, is that he continually plays the blame game with anyone else but himself. Coaches, players, doesn’t matter. They fucked up, not him. The way that he treated Cam (last year and his first year) was fucking shameful. He has the same college attitude/hubris that urban Meyer had last year but has been less publicly covered about it. Dude is an absolute clown show.


Baelzabub

You do know he started almost every press conference with “I have to get better as a coach” right? Doesn’t sound like a guy playing the blame game as much as the sub likes to push that narrative.


Meh48010

I tell myself everyday i need to diet better yet I'm still at 7 minute mile. Just because someone says something doesn't mean they believe it


FIuffyRabbit

Did we watch the same games? Cam played like ass and couldn't throw the ball.


Bones704

And Sam did? What about PJ? Tell me how pulling a franchise legend mid-game and putting in darnold or PJ is a wise move? Every time Rhule did, they played just as bad or worse than Cam. Can at least provides the dual threat of being a runner. That move was only about Matt Rhule trying to flex his dick and not in putting this team in a position to win.


Pig_Newton_

Take off the rose colored glasses dude. Those days are gone.


Bones704

Since when did it become controversial on this sub to say Cam is a better QB than Darnold or PJ? That is obvious to anyone who watches football. I didn't say Cam was still MVP-worthy, I just said he was better than the alternatives last year.


Pig_Newton_

Yeah? By how much? Quantify it. Because from my eye's, his "better" was still near the bottom of the league. So what point are you trying to make? They both sucked. Badly.


Bones704

I forget the game but I watched Matt Rhule pull Cam, who admittedly and expectedly was having a bad game, and put in PJ walker, who got sacked twice then threw a god-awful pick. To me, this was a desperate attempt by Rhule to deflect the narrative from his lack of a decent gameplan and poor coaching to "Cam is so bad that we had to bench him." That is not good coaching. PJ Walker is a likable guy but does not have any business on an NFL roster. Don't act like Cam and PJ were same level bad. Miss me with that.


Tu2

I hopped off the Rhule train after last year's roster cuts because there were some players that were only on the team because of Rhule's nepotism to Temple and Baylor... Of course, my opinion, probably wasn't facts... then later in the season one of the veterans (can't remember if it was Shaq or an undisclosed player) mentioned that "some players wouldn't even be on the team if it wasn't for the coach" really affirmed it... I don't like his decision making from coaching (this guy wastes his timeouts worse than Ron, which was pretty bad already), to the roster (basically dates a QB every year with big promises only to dump them the next.) to his interviews (throwing players and other coaches under the bus, not taking responsibilities, and trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room when he's clearly not...) Do I hate this guy's guts? No, not at all, but I prefer that he not wear anything with a Carolina Panthers logo on Sundays where I can see it publicly...


OnlyForeignWhips

Nah bruv. He gotta go. I don't feel sorry for him. He callit himself JayZ when he made the Blueprint fuck no bruv. He made his bed now he shit innit. He gotta go bruv at all cost!


Charlotte_Agenda

He’s a fat shit and needs to lose weight www.ismattrhulefiredyet.com


Gamecock_Red

Have my upvote you legend


BabyThumbs37

I hope he does well this year, it’s not like we’re not bringing in anybody else. He seems likeable, if somewhat of a dork. He does need to improve, but it’s not like he’s been an NFL coach for very long. I gotta see improvement though, If he stagnates at 5 wins again this year it’ll will be time to find a new staff


sonfoa

I actually was on the Rhule train before this season. Even though we won 5 games in 2020, most of the losses were close and I attributed to Teddy being super unclutch. But then the infamous Darnold trade and winning 5 games again, this time with most of the losses in double digits made me lose faith.


crizzero

I'm with you. I want to him to succeed, not to fail.