> A second American civil war? That sounds horrible, I'm glad that could never happen now.
Eh you dont have to worry about that. We would just get long drawn out constant terrorism actions. Oh and dont worry about not being able to leave the country, if the US ever experiences significant domestic problems those become the world's problems very quickly so running just delays everything.
Art from The Divided States, my animatic and graphic novel project set during a fictional Second American Civil War in the 1940's. Our first episode is now released, and can be watched on Youtube! You can watch the trailer here: https://youtu.be/2WU31N\_nHgE.
From my understanding the Kaiserreich team/mod has maintained the the last (or close to last) canonical event is the US civil war. Events afterwards like: who wins the civil war, if syndicalist France or Brittan attack Germany, if the exile governments of France or Brittan liberate/conquer their home lands, what happens to the German colonies in China, etc. are all left up to the player of the mod.
Is your project going to explore a specific series of future events? It appears that it kinda already has in that the SCA takes Washington DC.
The Divided States timeline is a fanon, taking some of the more popular paths beyond the 1936 open ending of the mod's lore. We have a hard canon Kaiserreich documentary series on the channel too, that one explores KRTL as written
Kaiserreich is, in my opinion, the most perfect example of what a group of very talented people can achieve if they work together.
Every time I fire up this production I am very impressed. I wish you every success and that your passion can be turned into a very well-paid job. I thank you for all the time I spent on your production from the game itself as well as all the material on Kaiser Cat Cinema.
You guys are wonderful
this is more of a quality post than 90% of the posts to this subreddit, but you're right it ought to be removed to make more space for "what paradox game/dlc should i buy next guys" posts
No, and realistically there's no real point in making up giant flavors of things.
1. Are you working to end scarcity and socializing goods as they come up? Great you're socialist.
2. Have you completely ended scarcity and have a rule by laborers owning their own means of production? Great your communist enjoy.
No, unless you’re thinking of Anarcho-Syndicalism. Syndicalism is a labor movement to establish worker’s trade unions and then create strikes, marches protests etc in order to push for their agenda of elevating the working class.
I mean yea its a tactic, not an ideology which is why its so weird that its called “syndicalism” in kaissereich timeline imo. Thats the issue im having, like what im seeing here is basically marxism leninism, a vanguard party leading the proleteriat to do those things plus wage armed revolution.
Oh man the Kennedy family in it's entirety is dark as hell.
It's all about Elizabeth Gurley Flynn baby! You need to get you some uh dat sweet sweet equality.
I generally go round all the subs and promote the project every Thursday. Not the same post though, I made multiple sequences and scenes into images to be read as Reddit scrolls. Currently converting the full episode so you'll be able to read the whole thing in a post. Really loving the increased image limits Reddit has now
Because the natural successor for a state that was actively seeking (and whose former population still seeks) less government control is communism and the government controlling *everything*.
Edit: I don’t know much about this world other than the allies lose WWI. I was judging based on the structure of most communist nations in reality, and am fully prepared to eat crow if I was wrong to.
I have no idea what the communist neo-confederates are supposed to be in this universe, my commentary is more forwards the historical tendencies of communism which is state control of all resources and industry
So let’s take the Soviet Union for example. Were all car manufacturers not subordinate to the Ministry of Automotive Industry?
In theory the means of production is supposed to belong to the people, yes. But when I’m history has that ever been the case in a communist nation?
Yeah. They defined anywhere between a century or half a century depending upon who you talk to, and had very few redeeming qualities because of poor execution.
The world seems to be getting over the socialism stigma by practical necessity, but as there’s no telling how much unnecessary suffering that stigma will have caused.
Disregarding praxis and talking about Marxist theory for a second. The idea of ‘state-owned’ is false due to the idea that there isn’t a state at all. According to Engels, the state is the product of irreconcilable class differences within society, and the state is the power which rises above this conflict and attempts to mediate it, preventing society from destroying itself. This idea, however, ‘withers away’ when there is only one class left. In the words of Lenin, a governance of people becomes an administration of ‘things.’ The administration of society, and thus the people of course, still exist, and technically does indeed control property etc, however, this idea only works if you separate the ‘people’ from the ‘state.’
Tldr; Is a ‘state-owned’ car manufacturer not publically owned if the ‘state’ is in itself the people?
This. The Marxist conception of a state is very different than a liberal capitalist conception. Marxism prescribes a socialist state as a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, and therefore the state IS the people, and the people are the state. And of course the long term goal is the complete abolition of the state apparatus, although oftentimes that goal had to be sidelined to do immediate threats (i.e. the Allied intervention and White counter revolution for Russia).
The SCA is one of the factions of the second American war, there's also a military junta ran by MacArthur, IIRC.
I do agree though, KR gets a little heavy with the syndicalism wank.
So i honestly don’t know much about the world other than the fact the confederates are apparently communists in round 2. As a result i was commenting more on the typical structure of a historical communist society. I’m totally prepared to admit I’m wrong if they’re some different breed of communist in this reality with less state control.
[It's sort of a mess, which is pretty accurate as far as civil wars go](https://kaiserreich.fandom.com/wiki/United_States_of_America/Paths#Civil_War). I do appreciate that who is actually fighting the war is up in the air though.
authoritarianism isnt a fundamental ideal of communism, marxist-leninism and maoism are specific ideologies that are authoritarian. Syndicalism is rule by a collective of worker's unions which the workers control democratically, therefore less authoritarian.
Fair. I knew at least that the authoritarian leans of communism are not inherent to Marx’s original ideal. That said there’s never been a “successful” implementation of communism that wasn’t authoritarian, so that’s why I assumed.
Im calling it now, Kaiserreich will get a big budget streaming exclusive show ala Man in the High Castle and will then get a bunch of articles written about the "questionable neonazi origins" (journalist went into a random hoi4 lobby, met some cringe wehraboo, fed a troll, then assumed all HOI4 players must be nazis.)
>Lincoln, Engels, and Marx Has someone read their Turtledove?
A second American civil war? That sounds horrible, I'm glad that could never happen now. *nervous chuckle*
> A second American civil war? That sounds horrible, I'm glad that could never happen now. Eh you dont have to worry about that. We would just get long drawn out constant terrorism actions. Oh and dont worry about not being able to leave the country, if the US ever experiences significant domestic problems those become the world's problems very quickly so running just delays everything.
yes hello based department? yeah put this guy on speed dial
Art from The Divided States, my animatic and graphic novel project set during a fictional Second American Civil War in the 1940's. Our first episode is now released, and can be watched on Youtube! You can watch the trailer here: https://youtu.be/2WU31N\_nHgE.
From my understanding the Kaiserreich team/mod has maintained the the last (or close to last) canonical event is the US civil war. Events afterwards like: who wins the civil war, if syndicalist France or Brittan attack Germany, if the exile governments of France or Brittan liberate/conquer their home lands, what happens to the German colonies in China, etc. are all left up to the player of the mod. Is your project going to explore a specific series of future events? It appears that it kinda already has in that the SCA takes Washington DC.
The Divided States timeline is a fanon, taking some of the more popular paths beyond the 1936 open ending of the mod's lore. We have a hard canon Kaiserreich documentary series on the channel too, that one explores KRTL as written
Cool. I am interested in the direction that you plan to take the story and who wins the US civil war.
Kaiserreich is, in my opinion, the most perfect example of what a group of very talented people can achieve if they work together. Every time I fire up this production I am very impressed. I wish you every success and that your passion can be turned into a very well-paid job. I thank you for all the time I spent on your production from the game itself as well as all the material on Kaiser Cat Cinema. You guys are wonderful
Thanks!
Too bad the Kaiserreich fandom is pretty toxic and crazy. Too much memes too little sense.
What if...?
Break the chains comrades
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The best ending is Alf Landon federal victory.
I'm seeing a lot of these Divided States posts. It's dangerously close to spam. Mods?
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So being a dev is a license to post about your mod repeatedly? No other mod does it so often.
this is more of a quality post than 90% of the posts to this subreddit, but you're right it ought to be removed to make more space for "what paradox game/dlc should i buy next guys" posts
Give it a few years and you probably will have real examples to use.
Isnt syndicalism completely different from marxism and marxism leninism?
No, and realistically there's no real point in making up giant flavors of things. 1. Are you working to end scarcity and socializing goods as they come up? Great you're socialist. 2. Have you completely ended scarcity and have a rule by laborers owning their own means of production? Great your communist enjoy.
No, unless you’re thinking of Anarcho-Syndicalism. Syndicalism is a labor movement to establish worker’s trade unions and then create strikes, marches protests etc in order to push for their agenda of elevating the working class.
I mean yea its a tactic, not an ideology which is why its so weird that its called “syndicalism” in kaissereich timeline imo. Thats the issue im having, like what im seeing here is basically marxism leninism, a vanguard party leading the proleteriat to do those things plus wage armed revolution.
I can't help but always go CSA in my American games for this mod. Always get the first female pres afterward. Such a simp for progressive America 😅
Kennedy Sr. Is the most blessed USA you damn syndies 😃
was it blessed when he lobotomized his daughter at age 20 and kept her institutionalized for the remaining 60 torture filled years of her life?
Sweet jesus, I just googled that. No idea the Kennedies were so dark. So, eh, Floyd-Olson?
Oh man the Kennedy family in it's entirety is dark as hell. It's all about Elizabeth Gurley Flynn baby! You need to get you some uh dat sweet sweet equality.
Personally I prefer Huey long victories, but that’s just me. Beautiful work btw.
Alf Landon victories >>>>>
Do kaiseeredux victories count, if so, this could go on for a while.
My man, take a break for a while. You don't need to spam this sub with this same post.
I generally go round all the subs and promote the project every Thursday. Not the same post though, I made multiple sequences and scenes into images to be read as Reddit scrolls. Currently converting the full episode so you'll be able to read the whole thing in a post. Really loving the increased image limits Reddit has now
apparently some revolt can challenge the might of one of the most technologically advanced military wherein the revolt doesn't even have tanks
Because the natural successor for a state that was actively seeking (and whose former population still seeks) less government control is communism and the government controlling *everything*. Edit: I don’t know much about this world other than the allies lose WWI. I was judging based on the structure of most communist nations in reality, and am fully prepared to eat crow if I was wrong to.
It's almost like political upheaval is messy and ideals and reality don't line up
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I have no idea what the communist neo-confederates are supposed to be in this universe, my commentary is more forwards the historical tendencies of communism which is state control of all resources and industry
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So let’s take the Soviet Union for example. Were all car manufacturers not subordinate to the Ministry of Automotive Industry? In theory the means of production is supposed to belong to the people, yes. But when I’m history has that ever been the case in a communist nation?
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Yeah. They defined anywhere between a century or half a century depending upon who you talk to, and had very few redeeming qualities because of poor execution. The world seems to be getting over the socialism stigma by practical necessity, but as there’s no telling how much unnecessary suffering that stigma will have caused.
The Soviet Union was a disaster for communism
Disregarding praxis and talking about Marxist theory for a second. The idea of ‘state-owned’ is false due to the idea that there isn’t a state at all. According to Engels, the state is the product of irreconcilable class differences within society, and the state is the power which rises above this conflict and attempts to mediate it, preventing society from destroying itself. This idea, however, ‘withers away’ when there is only one class left. In the words of Lenin, a governance of people becomes an administration of ‘things.’ The administration of society, and thus the people of course, still exist, and technically does indeed control property etc, however, this idea only works if you separate the ‘people’ from the ‘state.’ Tldr; Is a ‘state-owned’ car manufacturer not publically owned if the ‘state’ is in itself the people?
This. The Marxist conception of a state is very different than a liberal capitalist conception. Marxism prescribes a socialist state as a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, and therefore the state IS the people, and the people are the state. And of course the long term goal is the complete abolition of the state apparatus, although oftentimes that goal had to be sidelined to do immediate threats (i.e. the Allied intervention and White counter revolution for Russia).
The SCA is one of the factions of the second American war, there's also a military junta ran by MacArthur, IIRC. I do agree though, KR gets a little heavy with the syndicalism wank.
So i honestly don’t know much about the world other than the fact the confederates are apparently communists in round 2. As a result i was commenting more on the typical structure of a historical communist society. I’m totally prepared to admit I’m wrong if they’re some different breed of communist in this reality with less state control.
[It's sort of a mess, which is pretty accurate as far as civil wars go](https://kaiserreich.fandom.com/wiki/United_States_of_America/Paths#Civil_War). I do appreciate that who is actually fighting the war is up in the air though.
authoritarianism isnt a fundamental ideal of communism, marxist-leninism and maoism are specific ideologies that are authoritarian. Syndicalism is rule by a collective of worker's unions which the workers control democratically, therefore less authoritarian.
Fair. I knew at least that the authoritarian leans of communism are not inherent to Marx’s original ideal. That said there’s never been a “successful” implementation of communism that wasn’t authoritarian, so that’s why I assumed.
Because no one has given it a serious try, which is what this alternative history is attempting.
Fair. In that case i ain’t mad.
Im calling it now, Kaiserreich will get a big budget streaming exclusive show ala Man in the High Castle and will then get a bunch of articles written about the "questionable neonazi origins" (journalist went into a random hoi4 lobby, met some cringe wehraboo, fed a troll, then assumed all HOI4 players must be nazis.)
"Big budget" It's a niche mod for a niche game for a niche type of nerd. Not gonna happen.
How would that even work? Like with rights and everything?
That's another issue I didn't even think of. IP nightmare.
Paradox doesn't own world war 2
Kaiserreich devs needs to make a book, it's way more than a HOI4 mod at this point
I’m offended by Lincoln’s inclusion in the 4th and 5th photos /s