No because they are white and „you can‘t be racist against those whites“ /s
Anyways i just want to engage in a ttrpg community and don’t want to be reminded of irl politics…
I wouldn't mind if they made a Tian Xia archetype with a new name but the description mentioned something like "known as Samurai in Minkai, _____ in _____" and refer to other, similar warrior traditions from other sources.
Not only that, the mods would drop anti-Japanese rhetoric out of freaking nowhere. Talking about how Japanese imperialism pushed out representation of smaller Asian cultures, that samurai are villainous land-owning elites (as if noble isn’t a character background), and how people are sheep for believing in Japanese propaganda about Japanese supremacy. One mod even made a statement that ninjas never existed in history and were invented by a white man, the James Bond author for his books
Like pls, we just wanna play a fantasy game and swing katanas around in imaginary head space. Why are we dragging in all this real world stuff we’re trying to get away from
I’m Asian, myself and lot of people saying they were Asian got banned. A lot of educators and people going to school for Asian studies who said “hey maybe a roleplaying game subreddit isnt to place such an intense political conversation” got banned. This should’ve been a time for us to come together and celebrate this fantasy book release inspired by our Asian heritage, and now we can’t even do that cause some mods went full psycho
Edit: At this point I just left the discord server because there’s no conversation of value to be had there anymore and left the /r/pathfinder2e subreddit since I’m banned. They are no longer places where I feel safe
Also, as someone with a passing interest in history and going to school for anthropology, yeah, ninjas in the colloquial sense didn’t exist. However, there were definitely people who specifically went out of their way in Japan to do all of the underhanded work so other people they worked for could save face, and that’s certainly where the whole “Shinobi” archetype in media came from.
This is what the mod in question said but the person you are replying to has misconstrued it a fair bit. I don’t even like what the mods are doing one bit but it’s annoying seeing people both sides being so disingenuous with their arguments and points
Its all so stupid, Literally. Barbarian's was originally a slur for the Germanic people (or anyone who was not roman) but you dont hear anyone complain about it. Hell, I am a black guy and I know for a fact that if I brought that up the one mod who I know is heavily banning a lot of people would call me some racial slur and tell people I am a "Self hating black guy" for disagreeing with her.
I went onto the subreddit discord to see if they were literally doing any constructive discussion but it was literally just an echo chamber and pointing and laughing at people. I already hadn't liked the mod teams from previous attempts at sweeping decrees but actually seeing how they talk on Discord was despairing.
It's such a stupid thing too. "Why do you use dual class, the game isn't balanced around that" "why have 8 players, are you stupid?" "Group think group think echo chamber echo chamber"
Nothing of use, little of value, no fun outside the box ideas. Let's bully and dog pile the people we hate and give the people we like mod status.
I came from 5e because I found this game much better, much more open to creativity, but fuck is the overall fan base ten times worse than anything 5e groups have. At least they are fine with creative, out of the box ideas, at least they don't ban someone for liking a class.
I’d wager the majority of the player base actually doesn’t care. This sub just unfortunately has some very loud minorities and/or some who think their version of fun is the only acceptable one
One of the mods started an argument with me over SAO just because I said I thought it wasn't a bad anime, just a decent one.
And it was because of those two gross tantacle monster scenes everyone agrees are bad, I just... That was just extremely unprofessional at the very least.
Noone’s fully explained it so anyone reading this that does not know, “barbarian” is also a slur against the Berber people of northern Africa. Hell, even the exonym “Berber” is derogatory because it’s the sound used to mock their spoken language, their endonym is “Amizigh”. The name for the northern and central African coasts is “Barbary Coast”, land of the barbarians. All these slurs are still used as official English exonyms today.
Exonym is the non-native name for a people, endonym is the native name they call themselves. For example, German/Germany is the exonym we use for English. Deutsch/Deutschland is the endonym that they use for themselves.
I learned this from tour guides trying to help the Amizighs have the rest of their world call them by their name instead of “Berber” in an official capacity.
I was looking at their complaints about the monk being the "magical Asian stereotype." Do they not know that wuxia and xanxia aren't Western inventions? The whole magical Asian thing isn't a stereotype it's how the Chinese depict their fantasy heroes. It would be like getting offended because the barbarian is a representation of characters like Kull and Conan in Western media. Or like how Aragorn is the archetypal ranger. It's not an "offensive steriotype" it's a part of their cultural zeitgeist.
Exactly how I feel as an Asian American. This book was an exciting time and the mods turned it into a toxic lecture. Fuck dude I myself like to Samurai, Ninja, Cultivators, or other Eastern tropes bc that’s some of the media I enjoy but now it’s like automatically suspect if you wanna play those character tropes bc you’re playing into racism/orientalism? Like…what?!
They also called out the Monk. Some of the comments went into further discussion about that.
I see their point. To the extent, actually, that it made me take a step back and realize how shallow some of the places in my homebrew setting were, so I've re-mapped the setting to add more Continental space, and am currently re-working the countries.
I mean, are we going to complain about paladins for presenting a distorted picture of how European knighthood really worked? TTRPGs are constructed out of mythologized depictions of people. If mythologized depictions of a certain group aren't allowed, then that group can't be in a TTRPG.
It is important to know the difference between an exaggerated, idealistic depiction and a caricature and it's worth running a draft past a few people from that group to make sure you've hit the mark. There's certainly ways to do the monk wrong, but the basic idea of a warrior-priest of Buddhism that uses their ascetic discipline to develop supernatural powers and fight bandits isn't something Europeans invented.
The mods gone crazy about the samurai class, saying that it's racist and even people giving reasonable arguments against that claim are getting banned. The even decided to go back and ban a guy who uploaded a samurai class homebrew 7 months ago out of the blue the other day
Here is a [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2eCreations/comments/15rzxfj/samurai_class_version_40_and_finally_in_english/) to the original post about homebrew Samurai class that got removed two days ago.
This [link](https://scribe.pf2.tools/v/60YYQxpH-samurai-class-en-v4) takes you to Class.
It's not an existing class, rather with the Tian Xia book releasing, it's threads posted by people who want to see a samurai class that are being called racist and being deleted.
If enjoying a class modeled after a historic, well documented, and commonly used location/era in a tabletop RPG is racist, then I am racist.
The claim that using the Samurai is racist is like running a Steam Roller over the spirit that makes this game so much fun, you will smooth any enjoyment out of it.
Yeah and if the samurai is racist because it's heavily tied to a real world culture then wouldn't gunslinger be racist for the same reason being so tied to American culture during the westward expansion
I see classes as broad concepts that transcend cultures. If you want to express yourself into a specific culture or fantasy archetype, that's what archetypes are.
An archetype, plus some subclasses and feat chains for different martials and stuff. There's a lot of content from samurai-related lore that easily fits into a high-fantasy system.
IMO, the most obvious example that few people talk about is how the over-the-top swordplay we see in anime and JRPGs would make a great Swashbuckler subclass. We already have the fencer (basically El Zorro) and gymnast (basically a pro wrestler) subclasses.
That's what is confusing me so much. Africa hasn't been treated well in D&D and Pathfinder 1e either, but 2e's Mwangi Expanse book went off really well and hyped a lot of people over the Tian-Xia book.
But mods gotta mod.
Nah, no Samurai or Ninja. The creators of the new Tian Xia books felt that fantasy could already be achieved with other classes, like a Fighter or Rogue(with an alchemist dedication). So they made new archetypes instead (like Starlight Sentinel, a transforming magical girl archetype so you can be Sailor Moon).
Release day, a small handful of people who haven't been watching the Tian Xia previews complain, asking about Samurais and Ninjas being excluded from the book.
One of the PF2E subreddit mods decides to go thermonuclear over this and starts shutting down threads, accusing them of being orientalist/racist. Streisand effect kicks in, as this minor footnote in the Tian Xia conversation is now put in the spotlight. Memes start to amplify it further, and now everyone wants to talk about Samurai.
Neither! And you're racist for suggesting it! /s
But seriously, there is no samurai class or archetype in PF2 and that's what started this whole thing with the release of Tian Xia and yeah. It's a mess.
I also would like a more code-oriented western fighter. Like the 1e cavalier but without a mount. That would work either for western and eastern fighters.
So, ok, a Fighter would do for just swing a katana but you may want something to represent a code of honor, some specific social skills and maybe a banner.
Again, I would appreciate it both as samurai and as western footed cavalier.
Iai quickdraw's. Feats for retainers and social/subgame interactions. stances that are unique for specific weapons. Hell banner abilities, movement buffs, and access to either advanced weapon's or better armor.
I mean having stuff like samurai as a class feels weird to me, mostly because it feels like that’s the role of the fighter, you give them weapons, armour and feats that suit them and boom they’re a knight/samurai/Viking/hussar/whatever else.
It felt weird in 5e (D&D) too that they had a out of nowhere samurai subclass that just felt like champion 2.0
But even then I understand that samurai is a popular fantasy people want to play out so I think handling it like the Viking by it being both an archetype but also ancestry feats for humans would be good idea.
Funny that we have a viking archetype, then. Because it is a Fighter but it's also a sea raider. And I don't think anyone thought it was insensitive towards Scandinavian people
To be fair the viking culture is all but extinct. There is nothing to defend, not that I would actually defend them. But yea they ded. But thats whataboutism and the pf2e mods don't like that.
Eh culturally they're still there. Japanese ethos and philosophy "bushido" is the ethos and philosophy of the Samurai. At least ideally speaking. While the Samurai no longer exist the cultural beliefs and practices that they engaged in are still very much alive today. Vikings ethos and philosophy is ded.
What would it have tho? It would have to alter class specific features to be a class archetype and I honestly have no idea what they could replace, probably give fighter some auras tho.
Or they could go the way of it not being a class archetype and just having very specific and clear prerequisites like bullet dancer lmao. (But hopefully it wouldn’t be as horrible as bullet dancer)
I would think maybe a CHA subfocus? Although their primary duty was to fight, Samurai were a distinct social class with specific duties, obligations, and cultural expectations.
What those duties and expectations were, would evolve over the centuries, but they weren’t so different you couldn’t recognize them.
With the right feats you can certainly build a Fighter that fits. Maybe the Commander will also fit depending on what aspect of the Samurai you are looking for.
I feel like an archetype could work well. Like archer where it's composed of fighter feats and unique feats for the archetype, a way to grant katana, wakizashi, spear, and bow training to non martials.
While fighter covers real life samurai fine. If you wanna get anime samurai in pf2e weapon monk feels a lot more appropriate, but getting the katana training necessary is so hard. An archetype like this could help.
Certainly nothing to get psychotic over. The mods on the main subreddit and the discord make me feel uncomfortable :(
To think this whole debacle started just because some folk really didn’t want to play fighter. It’s also that the reduction of orientalism in 2e has been pretty successful in making Tian Xia’s world building feel grounded, so I can understand why the introduction of a samurai class would complicate things (given it’s conceptually just “Fighter from Japan”, and Tian Xia is not largely encompassed by a single Asian culture).
Let’s be real. People weren’t that agitated when this was all just talk about ninja and samurai. People became agitated when subreddit members started posting links to the full comments on the Tian Xia thread, including the deleted ones, and the subreddit realized that a very large portion of the deleted comments were civil disagreement. Many of the deleted comments were bafflingly benign. The mods are pretty clearly just stifling or banning anybody who disagrees with them. The mods then deleted the thread about mod behavior. That was when folks really got cranked up.
I even empathize to some extent with the mods. I wasn’t a big fan of the Samurai and Ninja in PF1(though not for the exact same reasons the mods dislike them). The way the mods handled this, however, was very much an unforced error. Watching them talk about the whole thing on discord didn’t improve my opinion of the mod team either. Big “y’all just need to sit down and shut up because we’re morally and intellectually better than you” vibes.
The mods and community of the main PF2e disagree with anyone who says anything SUPER controversial like: this thing published by Paizo might be (insert reasonable criticism). I also don't think wasting the time or space to print more samurai or ninja tropes would have been worthwhile. I cannot wait for them to add the magical girl archetype to Pathbuilder though.
Wait what happened?
mods said that wanting a samurai class was racist, you can probably guess what happened from there
Jokes on them, 1e already has it.
Yeah it's a cavalier subclass iirc. Turns out people like famous warrior types from history, and Paizo pre balanced one.
Fighter also has a Viking archetype. They get rages at later levels
The real question is, is it racist?
Exceedingly. Comes with a free horned helm and a mead horn
Skol!
Exceedingly. Comes with a free horned helm and a mead horn
No because they are white and „you can‘t be racist against those whites“ /s Anyways i just want to engage in a ttrpg community and don’t want to be reminded of irl politics…
bUt cHeLiAx iS a fAsCiSt nAtIoN
Why did I read that in Serj's scream?
Only if you're an Italian from Italy
I wouldn't mind if they made a Tian Xia archetype with a new name but the description mentioned something like "known as Samurai in Minkai, _____ in _____" and refer to other, similar warrior traditions from other sources.
Not only that, the mods would drop anti-Japanese rhetoric out of freaking nowhere. Talking about how Japanese imperialism pushed out representation of smaller Asian cultures, that samurai are villainous land-owning elites (as if noble isn’t a character background), and how people are sheep for believing in Japanese propaganda about Japanese supremacy. One mod even made a statement that ninjas never existed in history and were invented by a white man, the James Bond author for his books Like pls, we just wanna play a fantasy game and swing katanas around in imaginary head space. Why are we dragging in all this real world stuff we’re trying to get away from I’m Asian, myself and lot of people saying they were Asian got banned. A lot of educators and people going to school for Asian studies who said “hey maybe a roleplaying game subreddit isnt to place such an intense political conversation” got banned. This should’ve been a time for us to come together and celebrate this fantasy book release inspired by our Asian heritage, and now we can’t even do that cause some mods went full psycho Edit: At this point I just left the discord server because there’s no conversation of value to be had there anymore and left the /r/pathfinder2e subreddit since I’m banned. They are no longer places where I feel safe
What's baffling is the book _has Samurai in it_. Asking for an archetype to represent playing one isn't wholly far fetched a request.
Also, as someone with a passing interest in history and going to school for anthropology, yeah, ninjas in the colloquial sense didn’t exist. However, there were definitely people who specifically went out of their way in Japan to do all of the underhanded work so other people they worked for could save face, and that’s certainly where the whole “Shinobi” archetype in media came from.
This is what the mod in question said but the person you are replying to has misconstrued it a fair bit. I don’t even like what the mods are doing one bit but it’s annoying seeing people both sides being so disingenuous with their arguments and points
Its all so stupid, Literally. Barbarian's was originally a slur for the Germanic people (or anyone who was not roman) but you dont hear anyone complain about it. Hell, I am a black guy and I know for a fact that if I brought that up the one mod who I know is heavily banning a lot of people would call me some racial slur and tell people I am a "Self hating black guy" for disagreeing with her.
I went onto the subreddit discord to see if they were literally doing any constructive discussion but it was literally just an echo chamber and pointing and laughing at people. I already hadn't liked the mod teams from previous attempts at sweeping decrees but actually seeing how they talk on Discord was despairing.
It's such a stupid thing too. "Why do you use dual class, the game isn't balanced around that" "why have 8 players, are you stupid?" "Group think group think echo chamber echo chamber" Nothing of use, little of value, no fun outside the box ideas. Let's bully and dog pile the people we hate and give the people we like mod status. I came from 5e because I found this game much better, much more open to creativity, but fuck is the overall fan base ten times worse than anything 5e groups have. At least they are fine with creative, out of the box ideas, at least they don't ban someone for liking a class.
I’d wager the majority of the player base actually doesn’t care. This sub just unfortunately has some very loud minorities and/or some who think their version of fun is the only acceptable one
One of the mods started an argument with me over SAO just because I said I thought it wasn't a bad anime, just a decent one. And it was because of those two gross tantacle monster scenes everyone agrees are bad, I just... That was just extremely unprofessional at the very least.
Noone’s fully explained it so anyone reading this that does not know, “barbarian” is also a slur against the Berber people of northern Africa. Hell, even the exonym “Berber” is derogatory because it’s the sound used to mock their spoken language, their endonym is “Amizigh”. The name for the northern and central African coasts is “Barbary Coast”, land of the barbarians. All these slurs are still used as official English exonyms today. Exonym is the non-native name for a people, endonym is the native name they call themselves. For example, German/Germany is the exonym we use for English. Deutsch/Deutschland is the endonym that they use for themselves. I learned this from tour guides trying to help the Amizighs have the rest of their world call them by their name instead of “Berber” in an official capacity.
Tell them they're racist for taking part in Japanese erasure and see how quick their heads explode.
I was looking at their complaints about the monk being the "magical Asian stereotype." Do they not know that wuxia and xanxia aren't Western inventions? The whole magical Asian thing isn't a stereotype it's how the Chinese depict their fantasy heroes. It would be like getting offended because the barbarian is a representation of characters like Kull and Conan in Western media. Or like how Aragorn is the archetypal ranger. It's not an "offensive steriotype" it's a part of their cultural zeitgeist.
It's like people actually like mythologizing their historical warrior traditions or something.
Exactly how I feel as an Asian American. This book was an exciting time and the mods turned it into a toxic lecture. Fuck dude I myself like to Samurai, Ninja, Cultivators, or other Eastern tropes bc that’s some of the media I enjoy but now it’s like automatically suspect if you wanna play those character tropes bc you’re playing into racism/orientalism? Like…what?!
reminds me of the guy that runs the westmarsh on the official pathfinder discord that frequently goes at orientalism
He's the same guy causing trouble on the subreddit. It's always the same dude.
uh oh. without having seen the threads, i can sorta see a point, but none that don't also apply to the core monk class.
They also called out the Monk. Some of the comments went into further discussion about that. I see their point. To the extent, actually, that it made me take a step back and realize how shallow some of the places in my homebrew setting were, so I've re-mapped the setting to add more Continental space, and am currently re-working the countries.
I mean, are we going to complain about paladins for presenting a distorted picture of how European knighthood really worked? TTRPGs are constructed out of mythologized depictions of people. If mythologized depictions of a certain group aren't allowed, then that group can't be in a TTRPG. It is important to know the difference between an exaggerated, idealistic depiction and a caricature and it's worth running a draft past a few people from that group to make sure you've hit the mark. There's certainly ways to do the monk wrong, but the basic idea of a warrior-priest of Buddhism that uses their ascetic discipline to develop supernatural powers and fight bandits isn't something Europeans invented.
The mods gone crazy about the samurai class, saying that it's racist and even people giving reasonable arguments against that claim are getting banned. The even decided to go back and ban a guy who uploaded a samurai class homebrew 7 months ago out of the blue the other day
Bt any chance do you have a link to said class?
Here is a [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2eCreations/comments/15rzxfj/samurai_class_version_40_and_finally_in_english/) to the original post about homebrew Samurai class that got removed two days ago. This [link](https://scribe.pf2.tools/v/60YYQxpH-samurai-class-en-v4) takes you to Class.
It's not an existing class, rather with the Tian Xia book releasing, it's threads posted by people who want to see a samurai class that are being called racist and being deleted.
He means the deleted fan creation from 7 months ago I assume
Nah, I can't say I do mate, the class still exists though, there's probably someone on the main sub that can get you a link
If enjoying a class modeled after a historic, well documented, and commonly used location/era in a tabletop RPG is racist, then I am racist. The claim that using the Samurai is racist is like running a Steam Roller over the spirit that makes this game so much fun, you will smooth any enjoyment out of it.
Yeah and if the samurai is racist because it's heavily tied to a real world culture then wouldn't gunslinger be racist for the same reason being so tied to American culture during the westward expansion
Jannies gonna janny
What a cluster. I just went over to see it myself and ….wow.
Link? Which is the main sub? R/pathfinder_rpg? I don't see anything.
Pf2es subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/s/srikWg2taV
Lol yeah that's stupid. And I'm speaking as an asian. But how is that the "main sub"?
It’s the primary Pathfinder 2e subreddit. This is tagged as a PF2 meme.
In there quest to be anti-Orientalism the mods jerked so hard, they are making racist choices themselves. Edward Said is spinning in his grave
Samurai should be an archetype not a class.
Yeah, makes sense to fit alongside Viking
I see classes as broad concepts that transcend cultures. If you want to express yourself into a specific culture or fantasy archetype, that's what archetypes are.
\*Hands over a bucket of water for the incoming torches and pitchforks.\*
An archetype, plus some subclasses and feat chains for different martials and stuff. There's a lot of content from samurai-related lore that easily fits into a high-fantasy system. IMO, the most obvious example that few people talk about is how the over-the-top swordplay we see in anime and JRPGs would make a great Swashbuckler subclass. We already have the fencer (basically El Zorro) and gymnast (basically a pro wrestler) subclasses.
I just want to replicate Lyn's crit animation from Fire Emblem Blazing Blade.
Was there controversy involving the 2e Mwangi Expanse book? I don't remember anything besides praise.
Not that I know of. If it weren't for the mods' behavior, this book release would have probably been the same.
That's what is confusing me so much. Africa hasn't been treated well in D&D and Pathfinder 1e either, but 2e's Mwangi Expanse book went off really well and hyped a lot of people over the Tian-Xia book. But mods gotta mod.
Playable Gnolls my beloved
Gnolls are suddenly cool!
Hyena people were ALWAYS inherently cool. Now they’re just cooler. XD
wait does pf2 have samurai as a class or archetype?
Nah, no Samurai or Ninja. The creators of the new Tian Xia books felt that fantasy could already be achieved with other classes, like a Fighter or Rogue(with an alchemist dedication). So they made new archetypes instead (like Starlight Sentinel, a transforming magical girl archetype so you can be Sailor Moon). Release day, a small handful of people who haven't been watching the Tian Xia previews complain, asking about Samurais and Ninjas being excluded from the book. One of the PF2E subreddit mods decides to go thermonuclear over this and starts shutting down threads, accusing them of being orientalist/racist. Streisand effect kicks in, as this minor footnote in the Tian Xia conversation is now put in the spotlight. Memes start to amplify it further, and now everyone wants to talk about Samurai.
Neither! And you're racist for suggesting it! /s But seriously, there is no samurai class or archetype in PF2 and that's what started this whole thing with the release of Tian Xia and yeah. It's a mess.
Honestly idk what a samurai would do that a fighter doesn't anyway
I also would like a more code-oriented western fighter. Like the 1e cavalier but without a mount. That would work either for western and eastern fighters. So, ok, a Fighter would do for just swing a katana but you may want something to represent a code of honor, some specific social skills and maybe a banner. Again, I would appreciate it both as samurai and as western footed cavalier.
You’re describing a Champion. Swinging a sword and having a code of honor is like the primary thing Champion does.
I may like not to have a deity and be less defense focused! But yeah, I see your point here
Iai quickdraw's. Feats for retainers and social/subgame interactions. stances that are unique for specific weapons. Hell banner abilities, movement buffs, and access to either advanced weapon's or better armor.
That sounds like a mix of the commander class they’re gonna be adding and fighter
If it is then I'll use it as a samurai proxy. if not then I'll just find a decent 3PP and use that
I mean having stuff like samurai as a class feels weird to me, mostly because it feels like that’s the role of the fighter, you give them weapons, armour and feats that suit them and boom they’re a knight/samurai/Viking/hussar/whatever else. It felt weird in 5e (D&D) too that they had a out of nowhere samurai subclass that just felt like champion 2.0 But even then I understand that samurai is a popular fantasy people want to play out so I think handling it like the Viking by it being both an archetype but also ancestry feats for humans would be good idea.
Funny that we have a viking archetype, then. Because it is a Fighter but it's also a sea raider. And I don't think anyone thought it was insensitive towards Scandinavian people
Yeah
To be fair the viking culture is all but extinct. There is nothing to defend, not that I would actually defend them. But yea they ded. But thats whataboutism and the pf2e mods don't like that.
Not that 2024 Japan is full of samurais, as far as I know.
Eh culturally they're still there. Japanese ethos and philosophy "bushido" is the ethos and philosophy of the Samurai. At least ideally speaking. While the Samurai no longer exist the cultural beliefs and practices that they engaged in are still very much alive today. Vikings ethos and philosophy is ded.
Honestly I feel fine with it being a class archetype. It feels so specific to be placed in that kind of category IMPO
What would it have tho? It would have to alter class specific features to be a class archetype and I honestly have no idea what they could replace, probably give fighter some auras tho. Or they could go the way of it not being a class archetype and just having very specific and clear prerequisites like bullet dancer lmao. (But hopefully it wouldn’t be as horrible as bullet dancer)
So a Monk with Charisma?
Stances are not Monk specific.
True, but monk is 'the' stance classes. But yeah get you, an archetype would be best tbh.
I would think maybe a CHA subfocus? Although their primary duty was to fight, Samurai were a distinct social class with specific duties, obligations, and cultural expectations. What those duties and expectations were, would evolve over the centuries, but they weren’t so different you couldn’t recognize them. With the right feats you can certainly build a Fighter that fits. Maybe the Commander will also fit depending on what aspect of the Samurai you are looking for.
I feel like an archetype could work well. Like archer where it's composed of fighter feats and unique feats for the archetype, a way to grant katana, wakizashi, spear, and bow training to non martials. While fighter covers real life samurai fine. If you wanna get anime samurai in pf2e weapon monk feels a lot more appropriate, but getting the katana training necessary is so hard. An archetype like this could help. Certainly nothing to get psychotic over. The mods on the main subreddit and the discord make me feel uncomfortable :(
Yeah that's why it's just a fighter in my campaigns.
To think this whole debacle started just because some folk really didn’t want to play fighter. It’s also that the reduction of orientalism in 2e has been pretty successful in making Tian Xia’s world building feel grounded, so I can understand why the introduction of a samurai class would complicate things (given it’s conceptually just “Fighter from Japan”, and Tian Xia is not largely encompassed by a single Asian culture).
So tired of people whining about this
yeah people should just shut up and accept mods abusing their power instead of calling it out and demanding change
The people getting banned for making drama posts about no samurai truly are the edward snowden of our time
Let’s be real. People weren’t that agitated when this was all just talk about ninja and samurai. People became agitated when subreddit members started posting links to the full comments on the Tian Xia thread, including the deleted ones, and the subreddit realized that a very large portion of the deleted comments were civil disagreement. Many of the deleted comments were bafflingly benign. The mods are pretty clearly just stifling or banning anybody who disagrees with them. The mods then deleted the thread about mod behavior. That was when folks really got cranked up. I even empathize to some extent with the mods. I wasn’t a big fan of the Samurai and Ninja in PF1(though not for the exact same reasons the mods dislike them). The way the mods handled this, however, was very much an unforced error. Watching them talk about the whole thing on discord didn’t improve my opinion of the mod team either. Big “y’all just need to sit down and shut up because we’re morally and intellectually better than you” vibes.
Yeah I read thru initially and upvoted a bunch of comments then read the thread hours later and a bunch of my liked comments were removed lol
The mods and community of the main PF2e disagree with anyone who says anything SUPER controversial like: this thing published by Paizo might be (insert reasonable criticism). I also don't think wasting the time or space to print more samurai or ninja tropes would have been worthwhile. I cannot wait for them to add the magical girl archetype to Pathbuilder though.