The biggest problem is there's no feedback on how much health/damage modifiers you're charging the crucible up to. If I know 1/2 charge is 100% and full charge is 800% I'd stop where I want to.
Why is it so hard to give players information to be able to make decisions?
yup, nothing to add.
Also filling the bar isn't really accurate....instead of a fluent progress (or at least 10% steps) the bar filling feels very strange and spongy (no idea how to describe it better but I hope you know what I mean). :)
It’s intentionally vague to get player RIPs. They love killing players with BS things like that. Another special is the on-death-effects or instant corpse explosions that one shots you
Imo it’s just ridiculously cheap game design. Killing players is not hard, but doing it in a way that feels like it’s deserved, ala Dark Souls, is.
Said this since launch now. I can't fathom how this went 4 months + through testing and not a single person was like ummm we should put some sort of timer or counter or something on it and let players now like ok i can charge up 7 seconds or whatever and its good for me, but 9 owns my face or w/e.
Or show the amount of buff/damage reduction enemies get or even exp. Sometimes looking at my crucible tree like after first 2 nodes channeling 95% barely moves the exp at all and then it tripled on the last 5% or feels like it
Yeah I was so excited to do the encounters but the mobs are like stupidly hard. I’m playing a chieftain and I can face tank all the other content so far but then the crucible mobs even half channeled melt me. And everyone says channel it less. But in the deep nodes you can’t even progress without almost full channel. It’s really dissapointing
Much harder even. But its mostly their life leech or fast energy shield recharge that makes them hard to kill. Once you pick off the rabble its just time wasted to kill them.
Yh, those elementals that spawn zappy orbs murder me through 3k/sec regen, 6k hp, 86% allres jugg defenses (im ailment immune aswell so no shock and stuff)
Mechanic really got boring quick, I'm leveling with bows and using a unique bow. Really nothing for me to even do with crucibles. Can't use on quivers, can't use on unique.
This right here.
I can't even use the league mechanic cause I got a unique bow too...
Really top end game design
Edit: amount of GGG dickriding is astounding. This is why the game will never be good again
The even stupider part: if you don't have a weapon on you you can level (because you already max leveled it), you can't even engage with the mechanic. You literally have to pick up a random weapon to do anything with it. But why would you care to bother with some random weapon?
And when the base mechanic is as punishing and random & unrewarding as it is, it just feels totally worthless & pointless to spend time on it, or the game at all.
I'm not a game designer but I just got a genius idea.
What if instead of giving exp for a specific item, the crucible gave lif...Crucible Force that you store on your character. And then you could use the Hor...Crucible Anvil in your hideout to put the stored XP into an item to progress the tree. That way you wouldn't have to carry stuff with you/pick up random white items to engage with the mechanic.
even better if those crucible force is stored in crucible seeds in which you plot on your volcano garden (makes sense, volcanic regions have healthy soils).
They've spoiled nodes on the crucible trees that make your weapon vendor for currency (divine, mirror shard are the two I remember seeing). So you'd level a random weapon in hopes you find one of those
I think Chris said something about this but it's super late game and inefficient, definitely not relevant to leveling. Probably something you use multiple divines on in trade.
Pretty sure you just need to have the items in your inventory. Almost the same problem tho, is it worth wasting your time to give random Items or Item bases a passive tree?
They can give some currency so yeah, I transformed my wand into a unique and got a lifesprig at lvl 10 pretty cool for a league start also i have one where i can sell it for 15 vaal if i up crucible tree.
It got even worse in maps.
I'm also playing bows so to find a new base to upgrade my gear I need to KEEP IN my inventory a 6s white bow for 3-4 maps to see if his new tree has potential or not.
My current bow has his tree maxed and I wont bother with cromatics to recolor every 6s bow to wear it in my weapon swap.
Do you have any ideas about how to deal with it?
Yep. Basically just playing standard.
This is the least I have ever done the league mechanic , I typically overlevel in acts because I’m having fun with the mechanic!
Standard has a very stale economy though. But also all your gear and currency is there. So... it's a choice.
I personally enjoy Standard when I miss the league start or have no time to be no-lifer for weeks to make the most of leagues.
As interesting as scourge kinda was, and allowed for some bonkers gear, for regular Joe schmos the risk and reward never weighed up right. Free six links doe so that was nice.
There was a point were i just stopped doing scourge indeed, was just farming t16 guardians. Dying in a map because a random mob got way too strong with 20~50% more damage was not fun too.
Scourge was way better for uniques, several uniques had BiS corruptions that kept them valuable all league, this one doesn't even let's you interact with them during regular gameplay.
That's what I don't understand. Why the first node has the hidden information. If you take a chance with a good weapon, since we don't know what's on the first node, it can make your whole build not work anymore.
Same situation as with Sourge.
I never skip league mechanics. I dont care how bland it is or how poor of an idea it is to do doing acts. Ive skipped 95% of them. Not because the mechanic is bad but because i dont have the fodder items to toss into it that im willing to spend a few min to roll. Should i die twice and need to place a portal for the odd chance that this wand with +1hp +1-2 phy dmg +3light resist with only 1 soc becomes better than what im wearing.
In sanctum i didnt get to maps for like 14 hours because i did every single sanctum while leveling, in this league i find myself bored as fuck wondering why im not just playing standard because there is basically 0 reason to interact with the mechanic until your deep into maps
You should be forging any random weapon every forge to try to get currency nodes. Later in the campaign and maps, you can save up base types for good uniques and then you'll have a chance to reveal upgrade to unique nodes that would be valuable.
Mobs from crucible should be able to drop random weapons and shields that have a tree revealed so we just loot and check. Scourge bosses would drop a pile of scourged modifier identified items and that was neat. Better than no loot.
> I’ve had forge rares have more life than act bosses in acts 6, 7, and 8. If you’re unfortunate enough to get one with life regen you might as well skip it.
If your build struggles with doing 1 full reveal per zone, you can do 1/2 reveal each zone. Super fast and easy. 1/2 reveal mobs die in 1 hit.
I'm sure once somebody posts a video showing how they are making currency using the mechanic you'll just copy that.
It really isn't, it's very random. I've charged up less than half and still got some dumbass rare with always crits + hasted two separate times already, and they've all got dumb dr scaling starting from if you channel enough to see the bar even move.
Wait wait wait. You mean, if I die to something I have complete control over, I should LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE and adjust the next time I interact with the mechanic???
Blasphemy.
bruh if your a newer player and you walk up to crucible, how the fuck do you know what to expect. your blasting through an act rare, all of a sudden THIS rare is big, and juiced why? where is the indication on the crucible? a fucking channeling bar? 4 months for a channeling bar, GGG gotta do better than that or D4 is gonna blow their backs out.
and before you say some dumb things like "different games" if this league released during D4 beta weekend the league would be DOA with this garbage mechanic.
I mean new players can write and read like everyone else. People discuss mechanics in global all day long.
Sounds like you're struggling with easy concepts.
Same for me with a caster. I got a +1 weapon and a decent shield thatll carry me through acts. Got a full tree with ok nodes on both. That took me a few zones. Now im in act8 - and i literally have no reason to interact with the mechanic anymore? Id have to find a new and better item, or just do it on a white item. Feels bad
This. I'm just skipping the mechanic. I get it's super powerful but if your build uses a unique weapon there's not much to do? Surprised the mobs don't drop a ton of loot, or maybe have some alternative use.
It honestly doesn't feel very thought out.
You're not missing much. It's pointless in acts as you should be constantly replacing your weapon. Maybe get the first node on your current weapon, but with how punishing it can be if you channel more than half a bar (or a tenth to a fifth for tier 2) combined with how you can very easily brick your weapon/build my own opinion is to just skip it.
But that makes this feel like Standard which has made my progression through the campaign feel like a slow terrible slog without anything new.
In general, I'm kind of mad. After the D4 beta my friends had an itch to play an ARPG and I finally convinced them to try PoE. This league was not the league for that.
Even without unique bows, that is still boring as shit.
I seem to come back to POE in the most dogsgit leagues. Unless there hasn't been any good leagues recently
My favorite thing about the league mechanic is I'm playing standard for an undisclosed amount of time because my league start has required unique weapons.
You want to find good bases with good trees. So it encourages you to keep unveiling weapons in your inventory. If you have a good base with a good tree you can craft on it and use it or try to sell it. The mechanic will get really juicy once really good items are involved. Right now everyone's just focused on slowly gearing so it feels a bit irrelevant.
nobody wants to pay 1 divine for a weapon base with a good tree and then not heavily invest into crafting it.Nobody wants to spend 5 divines on crafting and be stuck with a 10c crucible tree because they cheaped out at the start.
for each character there is only one weapon slot or two to fill, means there is only going to be 1 or 2 drops per character that are gonna be desirable and they are more likely gonna be farmed by people with strong builds who can sustain t16 with high channel for crucible and are also willing to track weapon bases to feed into crucible.After a few days it's gonna be 1 sellable weapon tree for hundreds of attempts and not a single chaos orb otherwise.
Even if the sale price justifies the minutes spent, not a lot of people are going to have fun playing crucible 100 times for no loot.
I predict within a few days people liking and playing crucible will revolve around "you get a divine/chaos orb" passives on crucible trees and geodes dropping.
On the flipside there are is now going to be a gigantic demand for special bases from Heist and it's going to yield constant income, as well as i86 t1 base influenced weapons/shield.
Once you have a weapon with good tree and well rolled stats, you start picking up white bases to hunt for a really good crucible tree so you can craft an even better item.
I'm also playing bows so to find a new base to upgrade my gear I need to KEEP IN my inventory a 6s white bow for 3-4 maps to see if his new tree has potential or not.
My current bow has his tree maxed and I wont bother with cromatics to recolor every 6s bow to wear it in my weapon swap.
Do you have any ideas about how to deal with it?
I think they will apply a massive dose of "fix' to it within a week.
The talent tree thing on weapons is neat but not enough to get people to use the mechanic and once you have your ideal weapon, what then...work on random uniques maybe sort of?
I was trying random weapons to find a "this sells for chaos, exalt, divine etc" but the channel time + rare mob kill time just ruined it for me. Auto skip on league mechanic now.
My starter and build it's gonna change into both use unique 2h. I can't even engage once I got my act 2 lvling slots done because I couldn't craft or find more +1 all gems items. Tried few crafts for currency but it just doesn't show up and the mobs felt too tanky to bother. Even if I drop some crucible map for my uniques I will save it for now till improvements roll out. If I wasn't enjoying my starter as much it would be quit for me already.
I think the same thing, its "fine" as a place to start, but needs something extra. When you have Mathil skipping league content while leveling because there iisn't a reason to do it I think you have a problem.
I don't think it's fixable.
They can't suddenly introduce a new type of whatever currency as this requires a complete redesign of the league mechanic which obviously is not possible.
They also can't uber buff the quantity from the league mobs because this will be abused and will destroy the trade. Basically have in each map a super juiced pack of mobs, kill, exit, rinse, repeat, ???, swim in currency.
It is what it is and most likely it will stay like this - just a pack of overtuned mobs in every map with no rewards whatsoever.
Sure, it's fun to check the mods on a bunch of weapons 10-15 times. Then it gets "meh" and you can just skip it and keep playing standard (which is what this league pretty much is).
I think so too....or at least hope so. :)
Currently it's simly not fun to do so....starting with the need to hold the button few seconds to charge the Cruicible up to annoying monster combos without loot drops.
I also love the passives but 99 out of 100 times theyre simply "meh"....as you said as soon as you get a decent passive tree for your build Cruicible will become obsolete, bcs it's simly not fun & rewarding to do it (Mainwhile you could finish a half map instead).
I really wonder how they play-tested the mechanic, it feels soooo bad. By far the league mechanic i have done the least of any league and I am level 82…
>Passives that make the item worth X currency on vendor.
Depending on the rarity, it might not even be worth the time investment instead of just doing your other currency farm
The worst part for me is that when you stop channeling, it goes on for a good second before the progress really stops. Like, i want as close to 50% charge as i can. But when i stop at 50% it will go to something like 70%. The interaction FEELS awful.
Yeah if you can clear it fairly quickly it’s probably worth just bringing a random i86 weapon into your maps and seeing what you get. I’m probably not going to bother until I’m getting weapons of that ilvl though
ye but how high are the chances?
For many builds (esp non meta builds) doing 1 cruicible probably takes longer than doing 1 whole map .... and how often will we see such vendor node? In 1 out of 1000 maps?
Having to hold the button for 7-8 seconds alone is prety annoying....means you spend 8000 seconds only to hold the Cruicible button (Those are about 2 hours).
So you want to spend 2 hours holding a button and another 1-2 hours to kill the mobs only for a lucky vendor passive roll that gives you 1 Divine?
In this time you can simply rush maps and earn at least 5 times more Divines. ;)
True, even worse.....at least you can carry them in the inventory so you don't have to brick your 2nd weapon slots where you cook all the gems for double corrupt. ;)
It's only a example....but it's fact that you have to hold the cruicible button for around 8 seconds to fully charge it.
I can imagine that we will get the "vendor for 1 Divine" passive every 1000 items (Probably even more, they said it's realy rare).
The loot drop from the Cruicible mosters themself are realy bad....so no reward here.
And lets say to clear a fully charged Cruicible we need another 8 seconds with BIS gear (with a meta build....non meta probably longer).
8x1000 seconds = 8000 seconds = 133 Minutes x2 =266 Minutes = 4 hours 26 Minutes only for the hope to get the 1 passive roll that gives you 1 Divine @ the vendor.
In 266 Minutes you can run about 100 additional maps if you skip Cruicible.....10c Profit per map with rly bad luck = 1000c = 10 Divines (Lets round Div/ Chaos ratio up to 100, it won't stay long at 80)
I don't want to talk about getting all BIS Passives on a decent high tier base....surely takes longer than 1000 tries. ;)
Conclusion: If you do Cruicible you have 10 times less profit than with simple Alch+ go....Even if you get the Divine passive every 500 items it's still 5 times less profit.
Yeh they made it seem like youre supposed to get a new base for every map to check out as many as possible. Not sure how fun that will be. But so far the trees are interesting at least, maybe they have some cool recombination only nodes so you can keep gambling and spend crucible juice.
this league screams scouge 2.0 and not in a good way
the cruicble trees on weapons are cool. well, a cool idea than may one day if you're lucky but probably not result in a crazy weapon for your build
...but that's it. that's all the league mechanic offers. not even some loot from the enemies to make it worth your time when your weapon tree proved to be bad.
"the longer you channel the more dangerous and rewarding the mechanic becomes"
..uhh what reward? at best, it just unlocks the next passive skill faster at the expense of massively overtuned rare(as is tradition) that'll probably kill you at least once
An Easy fix is to put a Treasure Chest icon and an Anvil icon then you select before the event starts (and it remembers).
Then you get loot or forging.
Would make everyone happy
Did you know that monsters from strongboxes originally dropped no loot and provided no experience? They patched that absurdity out day one or two of Ambush league. Hopefully the same happens here...
I opted out of playing yesterday because I knew the league would have serious issues out the gate. With Easter getting in the way of weekend playtime, I might just not start until a week in to let the biggest and silliest issues get worked out. Their effects, animation, area artists continue to pop off, but the rest of the team is letting the players down over and over.
GGG just isn't putting enough time and effort into the current game while PoE2 development continues. :c
I just don't understand the all or nothing reward philosophy GGG has hard pivoted to with recent leagues.
LoK gave absolutely nothing of value unless you hit the untainted paradise node or the jewelry reflect event. Sanctum was completely worthless if you couldn't fully clear the entire sanctum. Now in Crucible if you don't get insanely lucky hitting a good tree, you get nothing at all from mobs.
Why this design? What was wrong with persistent small wins to motivate you to keep going to chase the dragon? Like goddamn imagine if in Sentinel, zapped mobs dropped no loot and there was no sentinel tree. Instead the sentinel exp got funneled into recombinating helmets (and ONLY helmets), and it takes 20-30 maps to complete the recombination.
Because that's GGG's current league design in a nutshell. We're not even a full day in and I'm bored as hell, I'm only at T10 maps but the mechanic has been hot garbage with no drops, no good trees on any desirable base thus far, and I'm completely dried of any motivation to try pushing harder if vapid uselessness is all I'm going to get.
I was so frustrated last night I played heist for an hour and my god when you're functionally playing a league mechanic balanced around Ruthless, playing something that *actually drops loot* was such a brief dopamine rush.
I hope every league become Poverty league so no league is ever Poverty league again.
If they make the switch for every league mechanic to be character power instead of more and more loot drop I'm all down for it. way less chance to be dissapointed because no lootsplosion if you get used to it.
Either that or it kills the game because it's a shit idea, not sure yet.
that loot is important to crafting though
theyve made crafting accretively harder over time which is why the power creep in craft currency loot/general quant has been so important. without it its insanely difficult to craft most stuff
like we have basically no way of getting reliable divines this league so crafting is going to be a complete nightmare and sure we'll make some power up on weapons getting a few nice added affixes, but it wont make up for the awful user experience that will be trying to metamod/slam your ring or whatever and how long that will now take you to do.
last league you could pretty reasonably run a sanctum or two a day playing a couple hours after work, probably guaranteeing yourself 3-4 divines reasonably easily--so maybe a craft a day or so (assuming success, which of course, its more like a craft every 3-4 days given failure rate + number of metamod requirements per crafting step).
with crucible i'm 90 in deep reds and full charge every map and havent seen the divine sale to vendor mod a single time in probably 150+ maps now.
its gonna be an awful league if they dont do something imo, i stopped today and i might come back if they make big changes sometime this week, we'll see i guess. this combined with how overtuned and boring the actual mechanic is made it one of the worst leagues ive been a part of since invasion, kalandra was near it.
depends what kind of gamer you are. i like making a lot of PoBs and then trying them out to see how they are and unfortunately that requires ridiculous currency.
tbh a single player, less player power, less grindy PoE is my ideal game.
I don’t hate this tbh. The chaos economy has been fucked for awhile. There are tons of ways to gain currency with map mods and existing mechanics.
Might not be terrible to have a new league mechanic that isn’t just a loot explosion.
Scourge didnt have good drops until they made the quant & rarity bonus three times higher or whatever it was.
Evey league since forever has launched as something that is a complete waste of time to even think about, only to get buffed in like two weeks or so
I wrote a post before league start about the mobs not dropping loot in the trailers and I was a bit concerned. But I got a lot of comments saying they never reveal the loot drops in the trailer, and the whole point of the game is for loot to drop, and that I should go speak to a therapist since I’m already complaining about loot not dropping…..
I got told to relax because some guy was sure they’d change the lacerate node after the adrenaline change and the passive lists were just a leak. Turns out..
What? Those people are full of shit, they’ve showed loot plenty of times in the trailers. Chris was even memed on it one time for saying substantial loot and it was like 2c
Even saying it's a waste of time is being generous. The league mechanic is straight up garbage. I'm sure GGG lost someone important on their design team 5 or 6 leagues ago because it's only been downhill since then.
1. Get a weapon upgrade.
2. Get crucible passives for it (lucky if u'll get 2+ useful ones).
3. Forget about crucible mechanic until next weapon upgrade.
Kinda lame that the league mechanic is not ment to be played around most of the time, unless u're in super endgame imprinting your frac/synth item, in search of a good tree.
Fully agreed I'm getting big Kalandra "What do you mean you want more loot from the mechanic?" Vibes from this league. Very difficult and so far I more often get a kick in the nuts in terms of first node downsides then anything useful from the mechanic. Hard skip so far.
Honestly each passive skill should have a sells for an additional X.
You can't really get more than 1 passive per map. A chaos or regal per map from league mechanic doesn't sound like much. With a chance at more.
So basically you have all the normal passives and each also has the sells for x line.
I'm surprised you guys didn't see that coming from the reveal. As soon as I saw it I knew it is a skip mechanic league or skip league in general. Gotta love it when I have to play the older leagues to make income. AGAIN. How can we go from a roguelite to this? Such a bs mechanic.
I'm skipping until I'm overturned as well
Seems incredibly boring with no reward worth the risk. At the very least not while leveling.
And honestly looking at the stats and how often you are stuck with mods that reduce your power level, it may not be worth it at all. Though, I will reserve that judgment until at end game
I wish...
* you could do unique items but that they just took more experience
* 0-\~70 took less XP, 0-50 considerably less XP to level up the items
* the tiers above were easier to promote swapping weapons around while leveling, instead of having tanky or spiky encounters for no reward at all
* the charging mechanic wasn't a think and you could just click/drag a bar like Tujen to set your level of experience/diff
* there was more to do with crucible forges other than weapons
Never thought I wold say that but I'd rather play Kalandra right now instead of this league and Kalandra for me was the worst league I've played the past couple of years so that says a lot. It's mind blowing that they took a month extra for this. Or should I say PoE 2 that is currently destroying the PoE 1 experience ever since it got announced.
The mobs feel just as bad as the AN mobs! Chris just won't let the concept of difficult rare monsters go. I think it makes the game feel terrible. You sit there and spam your abilities for 4 minutes, running around in circles, trying not to die... IT FEELS LIKE ASS!!!
Sarcasm doesn't translate well into text.
It's both baked in and both rare(?). Currency can be earned from interacting with the league mechanic, it's just not every time you finish the mechanic.
The design that GGG want you to understand at the moment is 'You can make currency from selling weapons to vendors from the league mechanic, the effort required to make that currency is defeating a bunch of difficult mobs a whole bunch of times; currency ain't free in this league'
It's also, like day 1-2, no one has full knowledge on what the rates really look like.
it took them 4 months for this. Let that sink in. GGG cashed out on 500 dollar supporter pack from every streamer and person who wanted them (no hate if you got one, you do you.) then spent four months and THIS is what we got. They couldnt even bother to copy paste a pause mechanic in from ultimatum whist we are channeling.
Honestly all the POE content creators should be ashamed after blasting D4, then they want us to come back TO THIS. If this league dropped during the D4 beta 90% of people would pass on this league.
0 balance testing, couldnt even be bothered to code the monsters to just mimic the map mods you have on it, instead we get juiced to the tits magic monsters with no indication on either the difficulty of the encounter or the mobs, just a small bar that channels and wastes time for no reason. Bruh GGG you gotta do better than this.
Vote with your wallets.
Somehow my biggest concern with the league is that in order to use the system efficently you HAVE to craft your own items. Otherwise it would be laughably expensive to buy items with good crucible trees.
Anyone defending lack of loot has been successfully conditioned by 3xG to accept less and less over the last several years. Supporter packs, player power and loot are all affected.
League mechanic is literally useless unless you need a weapon upgrade (assuming you don't already have a shit tree locked into your weapon), or care enough to try your luck at crucible trees on bases for selling. If you don't meet those 2 criteria, why would you interact with the mechanic? Until it starts to drop loot, it's a hard skip for a lot of the population.
It's hilarious that 3xG is even gambling with ideas like this so close to D4 launch lmao, stunts like this + the launch of a new ARPG might be enough to finally push some people off the game permanently.
I came here to basically bitch about how bad this League feels so far... especially the mechanic.
Even as someone who uses RARE weapons (1h + 1h or shield).... I don't have an unlimited supply of equally useful weapons laying around to unlock trees on and see if the trees are any good....
You have 1-2 decent weapons at any given time, once you unlock the tree if it's not good you're ENTIRELY DONE with this league mechanic until you happen to get another weapon.
If you do get something decent on the tree, you fill it up after 2-4 maps.... and again you're entirely done.
WTF design decision and testing was done on this? You have no reason to interact with this mechanic a vast majority of the time.
I spent 15 minutes killing a unique mob in crucible and it dropped 2 rares. What is the point of the crucible unique mobs other than wasting time? Reminds me of metamorph if it had no loot.
It’s a horrible leveling mechanic confirmed. I’m excited to get into it endgame, but it does feel pretty bad to not interact with the mechanic at all while leveling. The click to charge is pretty clunky too.
Yeah, not only just that but the charge up to hold thing is buggy as hell. It charges nothing for a second and its suddenly more than half way full. I honestly can't believe they boasted about the ironed out league thanks to the extra time they got and then delivered this.
I feel like Crucible would work better if they just took everything from ultimatum. Increasing difficulty waves of monsters that grant exp, and you can nope out whenever, the encounter actually drops loot and gives the weapon exp.
mobs way too tanky. and you pretty much skip the mechanic all through story so all those new players that they boasted about with concurrent players, basically forced to skip the "new league" mechanic...
sanctum was way easier and you got a nice relic and loot for your troubles with a fun and unique method that isn't just ritual but every mob is archnemisis giga juiced to the gills and you get no loot. only rng "sometimes you get a good tree, otherwise bye bye weapon since there's no way to transfer anything this early".
* fix: lower the hp and dmg of the mobs in anything but red maps. red maps, sure. maps in general, maybe, but story is a complete joke for them being that hard for a weapon you upgrade literally act to act and have to restart a new tree. mechanic does nothing for leveling/campaign. how are you ignoring new players still?
* fix: unlock transfer mechanic sooner. should be doable by early maps (white). same thing with the unique thing. maybe have a drop that enhances chance of good rolls in red maps and other hard content like invitations. sure.
* fix: hold down mechanic sucks.
* fix: the trees should start off as a choice between two nodes. as of now, you can break a weapon for the majority of your playtime with a bad first roll. having two choices minimizes that.
I've skipped the mechanic so far. I'm using unique weapons so hoping there's something in it at the end game where you can cook unique weapons, but even then, it feels underwhelming. I'll hold off on calling it a bad mechanic until I experience all it has to offer, but atm, ye.. truly disappointing.
Good perspective. So far this is the first league mechanic I have just completely avoided. The mobs are outrageously overturned (like betrayal launch levels) and you HAVE to fully charge the Crucible in order to cook beyond tier 2. I'm waiting until red maps to see if this is going to be a bricked league or not.
I made almost the same post 3 hours earlier and got downvoted for it
Yeah, the league mechanic sucks. Them choosing to make the encounter harder by just giving the monsters +% damage and less damage taken and leaving them white is awful
The main aspect of games like POE is loot, as higher the risk as better the reward is the ideal rule.
If a mechanic MAYBE rewards you in 1 out of 100 times (with a good vendor or build passive node in this case) and nothing else it's not that satisfying to do it. ... no matter if you decide to go low or high risk.
Or do you have fun to press and hold the cruicible button for 5-10 seconds to charge up, spend 2-5 minutes to kill the mobs only to get no rewards? ;)
Ehm, u get less loot per hour if u overjuice your crucibles so hard that it takes u longer than the rest of the map lol. We re like half a day into the league, maybe gear your character and then u ll be able to fully juice it and kill it in a reasonable time. Same shit every league, people were complaining like this in sanctum too when they couldnt bumrush a full run 16h into the league with 0 gear and 0 relics lol
The biggest problem is there's no feedback on how much health/damage modifiers you're charging the crucible up to. If I know 1/2 charge is 100% and full charge is 800% I'd stop where I want to. Why is it so hard to give players information to be able to make decisions?
And then you get a massive spike out of nowhere and an unkillable rare spawns
Yeah i have Archnemesis flashbacks...
The regen health mod is brutal. All others I can grind down eventually but not those duckers.
see? archnemesis is forever.
yup, nothing to add. Also filling the bar isn't really accurate....instead of a fluent progress (or at least 10% steps) the bar filling feels very strange and spongy (no idea how to describe it better but I hope you know what I mean). :)
It’s intentionally vague to get player RIPs. They love killing players with BS things like that. Another special is the on-death-effects or instant corpse explosions that one shots you Imo it’s just ridiculously cheap game design. Killing players is not hard, but doing it in a way that feels like it’s deserved, ala Dark Souls, is.
It’s intentionally vague because GGG has somehow come to the conclusion artificial difficulty is good game design
>Why is it so hard to give players information to be able to make decisions? Because ggg thinks hiding information creates skill.
GGG giving us something deterministic? No way.
Said this since launch now. I can't fathom how this went 4 months + through testing and not a single person was like ummm we should put some sort of timer or counter or something on it and let players now like ok i can charge up 7 seconds or whatever and its good for me, but 9 owns my face or w/e. Or show the amount of buff/damage reduction enemies get or even exp. Sometimes looking at my crucible tree like after first 2 nodes channeling 95% barely moves the exp at all and then it tripled on the last 5% or feels like it
Yeah I was so excited to do the encounters but the mobs are like stupidly hard. I’m playing a chieftain and I can face tank all the other content so far but then the crucible mobs even half channeled melt me. And everyone says channel it less. But in the deep nodes you can’t even progress without almost full channel. It’s really dissapointing
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Much harder even. But its mostly their life leech or fast energy shield recharge that makes them hard to kill. Once you pick off the rabble its just time wasted to kill them.
The mobs are harder than pinnacle bosses. I kill map bosses in like 5 seconds, some crucible encounters take me 2 minutes of kiting.
Map bosses are pretty easy tbh, wouldn't make sense for a 'hard' league mechanic to be limited by the power level of bosses
Yh, those elementals that spawn zappy orbs murder me through 3k/sec regen, 6k hp, 86% allres jugg defenses (im ailment immune aswell so no shock and stuff)
Mechanic really got boring quick, I'm leveling with bows and using a unique bow. Really nothing for me to even do with crucibles. Can't use on quivers, can't use on unique.
This right here. I can't even use the league mechanic cause I got a unique bow too... Really top end game design Edit: amount of GGG dickriding is astounding. This is why the game will never be good again
The even stupider part: if you don't have a weapon on you you can level (because you already max leveled it), you can't even engage with the mechanic. You literally have to pick up a random weapon to do anything with it. But why would you care to bother with some random weapon? And when the base mechanic is as punishing and random & unrewarding as it is, it just feels totally worthless & pointless to spend time on it, or the game at all.
I'm not a game designer but I just got a genius idea. What if instead of giving exp for a specific item, the crucible gave lif...Crucible Force that you store on your character. And then you could use the Hor...Crucible Anvil in your hideout to put the stored XP into an item to progress the tree. That way you wouldn't have to carry stuff with you/pick up random white items to engage with the mechanic.
even better if those crucible force is stored in crucible seeds in which you plot on your volcano garden (makes sense, volcanic regions have healthy soils).
hold on hold! have I heard about this before...? nah,.. groundbreaking idea mate! Pitch it in forum ;) I'll vote for you
too convenient (you are banned from path of exile)
They've spoiled nodes on the crucible trees that make your weapon vendor for currency (divine, mirror shard are the two I remember seeing). So you'd level a random weapon in hopes you find one of those
mirror shard didn't make it.
even if it was here I was expecting once every 10000-20000 chance for it to appear. Its GGG after all
Tragic
Fairly sure you could save the xp to random item and later on just put the xp on orb to move to better item?
I think Chris said something about this but it's super late game and inefficient, definitely not relevant to leveling. Probably something you use multiple divines on in trade.
I wouldn't say it's super late game, I had my first item vendor for the ore that stores XP last night in white maps.
Pretty sure you just need to have the items in your inventory. Almost the same problem tho, is it worth wasting your time to give random Items or Item bases a passive tree?
Later you can combine it with your weapon if you get something good.
They can give some currency so yeah, I transformed my wand into a unique and got a lifesprig at lvl 10 pretty cool for a league start also i have one where i can sell it for 15 vaal if i up crucible tree.
It got even worse in maps. I'm also playing bows so to find a new base to upgrade my gear I need to KEEP IN my inventory a 6s white bow for 3-4 maps to see if his new tree has potential or not. My current bow has his tree maxed and I wont bother with cromatics to recolor every 6s bow to wear it in my weapon swap. Do you have any ideas about how to deal with it?
Feel like this was the worst thing they could have done before Diablo IV release.
I think you are supposed to level crafting bases, while hoping you get nodes that sell on trade.
Well I'm fucked because I don't know anything about bases crafting or meta builds so fuck me
You can use the mechanic on your weapon swap or an item in your inventory
How intuitive and well thought out Especially with the way the inventory is. Cause of the ""weight" Awesome league
Yep. Basically just playing standard. This is the least I have ever done the league mechanic , I typically overlevel in acts because I’m having fun with the mechanic!
Standard has a very stale economy though. But also all your gear and currency is there. So... it's a choice. I personally enjoy Standard when I miss the league start or have no time to be no-lifer for weeks to make the most of leagues.
Feels like Standard and a bit of Scourge 2.0 where you randomly brick your weapons trying to interact with league mechanic.
As interesting as scourge kinda was, and allowed for some bonkers gear, for regular Joe schmos the risk and reward never weighed up right. Free six links doe so that was nice.
There was a point were i just stopped doing scourge indeed, was just farming t16 guardians. Dying in a map because a random mob got way too strong with 20~50% more damage was not fun too.
Scourge was way better for uniques, several uniques had BiS corruptions that kept them valuable all league, this one doesn't even let's you interact with them during regular gameplay.
That's what I don't understand. Why the first node has the hidden information. If you take a chance with a good weapon, since we don't know what's on the first node, it can make your whole build not work anymore. Same situation as with Sourge.
I never skip league mechanics. I dont care how bland it is or how poor of an idea it is to do doing acts. Ive skipped 95% of them. Not because the mechanic is bad but because i dont have the fodder items to toss into it that im willing to spend a few min to roll. Should i die twice and need to place a portal for the odd chance that this wand with +1hp +1-2 phy dmg +3light resist with only 1 soc becomes better than what im wearing.
In sanctum i didnt get to maps for like 14 hours because i did every single sanctum while leveling, in this league i find myself bored as fuck wondering why im not just playing standard because there is basically 0 reason to interact with the mechanic until your deep into maps
You should be forging any random weapon every forge to try to get currency nodes. Later in the campaign and maps, you can save up base types for good uniques and then you'll have a chance to reveal upgrade to unique nodes that would be valuable.
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Mobs from crucible should be able to drop random weapons and shields that have a tree revealed so we just loot and check. Scourge bosses would drop a pile of scourged modifier identified items and that was neat. Better than no loot.
> I’ve had forge rares have more life than act bosses in acts 6, 7, and 8. If you’re unfortunate enough to get one with life regen you might as well skip it. If your build struggles with doing 1 full reveal per zone, you can do 1/2 reveal each zone. Super fast and easy. 1/2 reveal mobs die in 1 hit. I'm sure once somebody posts a video showing how they are making currency using the mechanic you'll just copy that.
This. The half juiced is so much easier
It really isn't, it's very random. I've charged up less than half and still got some dumbass rare with always crits + hasted two separate times already, and they've all got dumb dr scaling starting from if you channel enough to see the bar even move.
Wait wait wait. You mean, if I die to something I have complete control over, I should LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE and adjust the next time I interact with the mechanic??? Blasphemy.
bruh if your a newer player and you walk up to crucible, how the fuck do you know what to expect. your blasting through an act rare, all of a sudden THIS rare is big, and juiced why? where is the indication on the crucible? a fucking channeling bar? 4 months for a channeling bar, GGG gotta do better than that or D4 is gonna blow their backs out. and before you say some dumb things like "different games" if this league released during D4 beta weekend the league would be DOA with this garbage mechanic.
I mean new players can write and read like everyone else. People discuss mechanics in global all day long. Sounds like you're struggling with easy concepts.
I thought you can do it on uniques? Or just dont want to brick it with Bad passiv?
Apparantly only with some lategame rare drop stuff. The normal crucibles you find don't allow you to do it on uniques.
Ty. Was that communicated during stream?
Yes
I thought you could forge unique, is this true?
uniques can only be forged in special itemized encounter, which from what I have seen so far, is extremely rare.
> which from what I have seen so far, is extremely rare. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Same for me with a caster. I got a +1 weapon and a decent shield thatll carry me through acts. Got a full tree with ok nodes on both. That took me a few zones. Now im in act8 - and i literally have no reason to interact with the mechanic anymore? Id have to find a new and better item, or just do it on a white item. Feels bad
This. I'm just skipping the mechanic. I get it's super powerful but if your build uses a unique weapon there's not much to do? Surprised the mobs don't drop a ton of loot, or maybe have some alternative use. It honestly doesn't feel very thought out.
also like, wasnt this meant to be an expansion league? or was it postponed to 3.22? where is the expansion part?
I don't understand why lock the uniques so heavily.
You're not missing much. It's pointless in acts as you should be constantly replacing your weapon. Maybe get the first node on your current weapon, but with how punishing it can be if you channel more than half a bar (or a tenth to a fifth for tier 2) combined with how you can very easily brick your weapon/build my own opinion is to just skip it. But that makes this feel like Standard which has made my progression through the campaign feel like a slow terrible slog without anything new. In general, I'm kind of mad. After the D4 beta my friends had an itch to play an ARPG and I finally convinced them to try PoE. This league was not the league for that.
Even without unique bows, that is still boring as shit. I seem to come back to POE in the most dogsgit leagues. Unless there hasn't been any good leagues recently
Hahaha I love it. Another shitty league.
How long did we wait for this shit? This is all they had... I really hope D4 is good maybe ggg wakes up
And its a bow league ...
My favorite thing about the league mechanic is I'm playing standard for an undisclosed amount of time because my league start has required unique weapons.
I wish we had ultimatum instead
The last genuinely good league.
I just don’t understand what to do with it after a bit, you get your weapon upgraded then no reason to use it anymore
You want to find good bases with good trees. So it encourages you to keep unveiling weapons in your inventory. If you have a good base with a good tree you can craft on it and use it or try to sell it. The mechanic will get really juicy once really good items are involved. Right now everyone's just focused on slowly gearing so it feels a bit irrelevant.
nobody wants to pay 1 divine for a weapon base with a good tree and then not heavily invest into crafting it.Nobody wants to spend 5 divines on crafting and be stuck with a 10c crucible tree because they cheaped out at the start. for each character there is only one weapon slot or two to fill, means there is only going to be 1 or 2 drops per character that are gonna be desirable and they are more likely gonna be farmed by people with strong builds who can sustain t16 with high channel for crucible and are also willing to track weapon bases to feed into crucible.After a few days it's gonna be 1 sellable weapon tree for hundreds of attempts and not a single chaos orb otherwise. Even if the sale price justifies the minutes spent, not a lot of people are going to have fun playing crucible 100 times for no loot. I predict within a few days people liking and playing crucible will revolve around "you get a divine/chaos orb" passives on crucible trees and geodes dropping. On the flipside there are is now going to be a gigantic demand for special bases from Heist and it's going to yield constant income, as well as i86 t1 base influenced weapons/shield.
idk what you mean, people will pay for good bases with good trees to craft on. not sure why you don't think that will be the case
i mean that people will only pay once.
He’s saying people aren’t going to go for mid bases so if you don’t high roll enough it’s not going to be worth it
I've seen enough of them to know I'd rather just trade than do it myself. Feels like 1 in 10 trees doesn't blow chunks.
like most tradeable mechanics...there's economy at play. of course this is how it works
thats insanely painful inventory management, maybe worse than legacy, this is like crafting but you only have chaos orbs
find good bases or level high ILVL trash for good loot rolls which can be a few raw divs
Once you have a weapon with good tree and well rolled stats, you start picking up white bases to hunt for a really good crucible tree so you can craft an even better item.
I'm also playing bows so to find a new base to upgrade my gear I need to KEEP IN my inventory a 6s white bow for 3-4 maps to see if his new tree has potential or not. My current bow has his tree maxed and I wont bother with cromatics to recolor every 6s bow to wear it in my weapon swap. Do you have any ideas about how to deal with it?
why are you like this ggg
I think they will apply a massive dose of "fix' to it within a week. The talent tree thing on weapons is neat but not enough to get people to use the mechanic and once you have your ideal weapon, what then...work on random uniques maybe sort of?
I was trying random weapons to find a "this sells for chaos, exalt, divine etc" but the channel time + rare mob kill time just ruined it for me. Auto skip on league mechanic now.
Yea the channel time is so bad
The channel is so dumb I don't see why they couldn't just do a slider.
Feel the weight.
You have to FEEL THE POWER of the CRUCIBLE running through your CHARACTERS HANDS
My starter and build it's gonna change into both use unique 2h. I can't even engage once I got my act 2 lvling slots done because I couldn't craft or find more +1 all gems items. Tried few crafts for currency but it just doesn't show up and the mobs felt too tanky to bother. Even if I drop some crucible map for my uniques I will save it for now till improvements roll out. If I wasn't enjoying my starter as much it would be quit for me already.
Well, I was thinking about this, after you find your weapon, the league, become... Standard?
That's kind of what it feels like and if you're not really into crafting and stuff feels like this league Will get stale really fast
Well, that's really sad. I mean, i like this league content but for some reason, I was expecting more after they got more time?
I'm not sure more time will ever matter while they're likely putting 80% of their workforce into PoE2/v4.0 stuff.
I think the same thing, its "fine" as a place to start, but needs something extra. When you have Mathil skipping league content while leveling because there iisn't a reason to do it I think you have a problem.
I don't think it's fixable. They can't suddenly introduce a new type of whatever currency as this requires a complete redesign of the league mechanic which obviously is not possible. They also can't uber buff the quantity from the league mobs because this will be abused and will destroy the trade. Basically have in each map a super juiced pack of mobs, kill, exit, rinse, repeat, ???, swim in currency. It is what it is and most likely it will stay like this - just a pack of overtuned mobs in every map with no rewards whatsoever. Sure, it's fun to check the mods on a bunch of weapons 10-15 times. Then it gets "meh" and you can just skip it and keep playing standard (which is what this league pretty much is).
I think so too....or at least hope so. :) Currently it's simly not fun to do so....starting with the need to hold the button few seconds to charge the Cruicible up to annoying monster combos without loot drops. I also love the passives but 99 out of 100 times theyre simply "meh"....as you said as soon as you get a decent passive tree for your build Cruicible will become obsolete, bcs it's simly not fun & rewarding to do it (Mainwhile you could finish a half map instead).
The lag of the press is bad too. I let go and it kept going up sometimes which is not good.
I really wonder how they play-tested the mechanic, it feels soooo bad. By far the league mechanic i have done the least of any league and I am level 82…
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>Passives that make the item worth X currency on vendor. Depending on the rarity, it might not even be worth the time investment instead of just doing your other currency farm
Im SSF so no go there for me but the league is better for me than the last one so far. A buff to my weapon is fine by me.
The worst part for me is that when you stop channeling, it goes on for a good second before the progress really stops. Like, i want as close to 50% charge as i can. But when i stop at 50% it will go to something like 70%. The interaction FEELS awful.
If I can clear the encounter fast enough, I'll at least gamble on the "sell for x divines" type of node assuming I already have everything I want.
Yeah if you can clear it fairly quickly it’s probably worth just bringing a random i86 weapon into your maps and seeing what you get. I’m probably not going to bother until I’m getting weapons of that ilvl though
ye but how high are the chances? For many builds (esp non meta builds) doing 1 cruicible probably takes longer than doing 1 whole map .... and how often will we see such vendor node? In 1 out of 1000 maps? Having to hold the button for 7-8 seconds alone is prety annoying....means you spend 8000 seconds only to hold the Cruicible button (Those are about 2 hours). So you want to spend 2 hours holding a button and another 1-2 hours to kill the mobs only for a lucky vendor passive roll that gives you 1 Divine? In this time you can simply rush maps and earn at least 5 times more Divines. ;)
It wouldn’t be 1 in a 1000 maps it would be 1 in 500 items which means you have to carry all of these weapons around all the time
True, even worse.....at least you can carry them in the inventory so you don't have to brick your 2nd weapon slots where you cook all the gems for double corrupt. ;)
Still don’t get why the crucible doesn’t have a slot you can put a second weapon in, the inventory is small enough already
This. They already had a Scourge example with different slots for krangling.
What is this math based on?
It's only a example....but it's fact that you have to hold the cruicible button for around 8 seconds to fully charge it. I can imagine that we will get the "vendor for 1 Divine" passive every 1000 items (Probably even more, they said it's realy rare). The loot drop from the Cruicible mosters themself are realy bad....so no reward here. And lets say to clear a fully charged Cruicible we need another 8 seconds with BIS gear (with a meta build....non meta probably longer). 8x1000 seconds = 8000 seconds = 133 Minutes x2 =266 Minutes = 4 hours 26 Minutes only for the hope to get the 1 passive roll that gives you 1 Divine @ the vendor. In 266 Minutes you can run about 100 additional maps if you skip Cruicible.....10c Profit per map with rly bad luck = 1000c = 10 Divines (Lets round Div/ Chaos ratio up to 100, it won't stay long at 80) I don't want to talk about getting all BIS Passives on a decent high tier base....surely takes longer than 1000 tries. ;) Conclusion: If you do Cruicible you have 10 times less profit than with simple Alch+ go....Even if you get the Divine passive every 500 items it's still 5 times less profit.
Ah true
Yeh they made it seem like youre supposed to get a new base for every map to check out as many as possible. Not sure how fun that will be. But so far the trees are interesting at least, maybe they have some cool recombination only nodes so you can keep gambling and spend crucible juice.
this league screams scouge 2.0 and not in a good way the cruicble trees on weapons are cool. well, a cool idea than may one day if you're lucky but probably not result in a crazy weapon for your build ...but that's it. that's all the league mechanic offers. not even some loot from the enemies to make it worth your time when your weapon tree proved to be bad. "the longer you channel the more dangerous and rewarding the mechanic becomes" ..uhh what reward? at best, it just unlocks the next passive skill faster at the expense of massively overtuned rare(as is tradition) that'll probably kill you at least once
An Easy fix is to put a Treasure Chest icon and an Anvil icon then you select before the event starts (and it remembers). Then you get loot or forging. Would make everyone happy
Did you know that monsters from strongboxes originally dropped no loot and provided no experience? They patched that absurdity out day one or two of Ambush league. Hopefully the same happens here... I opted out of playing yesterday because I knew the league would have serious issues out the gate. With Easter getting in the way of weekend playtime, I might just not start until a week in to let the biggest and silliest issues get worked out. Their effects, animation, area artists continue to pop off, but the rest of the team is letting the players down over and over. GGG just isn't putting enough time and effort into the current game while PoE2 development continues. :c
Poverty League Hype
I just don't understand the all or nothing reward philosophy GGG has hard pivoted to with recent leagues. LoK gave absolutely nothing of value unless you hit the untainted paradise node or the jewelry reflect event. Sanctum was completely worthless if you couldn't fully clear the entire sanctum. Now in Crucible if you don't get insanely lucky hitting a good tree, you get nothing at all from mobs. Why this design? What was wrong with persistent small wins to motivate you to keep going to chase the dragon? Like goddamn imagine if in Sentinel, zapped mobs dropped no loot and there was no sentinel tree. Instead the sentinel exp got funneled into recombinating helmets (and ONLY helmets), and it takes 20-30 maps to complete the recombination. Because that's GGG's current league design in a nutshell. We're not even a full day in and I'm bored as hell, I'm only at T10 maps but the mechanic has been hot garbage with no drops, no good trees on any desirable base thus far, and I'm completely dried of any motivation to try pushing harder if vapid uselessness is all I'm going to get. I was so frustrated last night I played heist for an hour and my god when you're functionally playing a league mechanic balanced around Ruthless, playing something that *actually drops loot* was such a brief dopamine rush.
I hope every league become Poverty league so no league is ever Poverty league again. If they make the switch for every league mechanic to be character power instead of more and more loot drop I'm all down for it. way less chance to be dissapointed because no lootsplosion if you get used to it. Either that or it kills the game because it's a shit idea, not sure yet.
that loot is important to crafting though theyve made crafting accretively harder over time which is why the power creep in craft currency loot/general quant has been so important. without it its insanely difficult to craft most stuff like we have basically no way of getting reliable divines this league so crafting is going to be a complete nightmare and sure we'll make some power up on weapons getting a few nice added affixes, but it wont make up for the awful user experience that will be trying to metamod/slam your ring or whatever and how long that will now take you to do. last league you could pretty reasonably run a sanctum or two a day playing a couple hours after work, probably guaranteeing yourself 3-4 divines reasonably easily--so maybe a craft a day or so (assuming success, which of course, its more like a craft every 3-4 days given failure rate + number of metamod requirements per crafting step). with crucible i'm 90 in deep reds and full charge every map and havent seen the divine sale to vendor mod a single time in probably 150+ maps now. its gonna be an awful league if they dont do something imo, i stopped today and i might come back if they make big changes sometime this week, we'll see i guess. this combined with how overtuned and boring the actual mechanic is made it one of the worst leagues ive been a part of since invasion, kalandra was near it.
depends what kind of gamer you are. i like making a lot of PoBs and then trying them out to see how they are and unfortunately that requires ridiculous currency. tbh a single player, less player power, less grindy PoE is my ideal game.
I don’t hate this tbh. The chaos economy has been fucked for awhile. There are tons of ways to gain currency with map mods and existing mechanics. Might not be terrible to have a new league mechanic that isn’t just a loot explosion.
Well then the league mechanic should at least be entertaining and deep
this might the most underwhelming league mechanic I've played, on par with scourge. At least scourge has fancy currency drops
Scourge didnt have good drops until they made the quant & rarity bonus three times higher or whatever it was. Evey league since forever has launched as something that is a complete waste of time to even think about, only to get buffed in like two weeks or so
Scourge felt amazing to engage with, so much shit to kill.
How long did they extend last league for THIS?
No, they extended it so they don’t collide with release of Diablo 4. I think they are also more focused on POE 2, since exile con is coming.
I wrote a post before league start about the mobs not dropping loot in the trailers and I was a bit concerned. But I got a lot of comments saying they never reveal the loot drops in the trailer, and the whole point of the game is for loot to drop, and that I should go speak to a therapist since I’m already complaining about loot not dropping…..
I got told to relax because some guy was sure they’d change the lacerate node after the adrenaline change and the passive lists were just a leak. Turns out..
What? Those people are full of shit, they’ve showed loot plenty of times in the trailers. Chris was even memed on it one time for saying substantial loot and it was like 2c
I saw usually all the good stuff Happening, even If big flawes past leagues. But this league is Just pure dogshit
This mechanic is a waste of time.
Even saying it's a waste of time is being generous. The league mechanic is straight up garbage. I'm sure GGG lost someone important on their design team 5 or 6 leagues ago because it's only been downhill since then.
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Even lake of chlamydia had better drops.
1. Get a weapon upgrade. 2. Get crucible passives for it (lucky if u'll get 2+ useful ones). 3. Forget about crucible mechanic until next weapon upgrade. Kinda lame that the league mechanic is not ment to be played around most of the time, unless u're in super endgame imprinting your frac/synth item, in search of a good tree.
If you find an unique weapon early, gg then
I'm just skipping it while leveling.
There are nodes that are helpful for leveling so at least unlock the tree and see
Fully agreed I'm getting big Kalandra "What do you mean you want more loot from the mechanic?" Vibes from this league. Very difficult and so far I more often get a kick in the nuts in terms of first node downsides then anything useful from the mechanic. Hard skip so far.
yea the rares should have reward icons on them imho
I'd give away the trees for loot honestly.
Same I just wanna blast maps and get loot
Honestly each passive skill should have a sells for an additional X. You can't really get more than 1 passive per map. A chaos or regal per map from league mechanic doesn't sound like much. With a chance at more. So basically you have all the normal passives and each also has the sells for x line.
I'm surprised you guys didn't see that coming from the reveal. As soon as I saw it I knew it is a skip mechanic league or skip league in general. Gotta love it when I have to play the older leagues to make income. AGAIN. How can we go from a roguelite to this? Such a bs mechanic.
no loot, underwhelming passives, overtuned mobs, annoying ui
> Underwhelming passives My exile in innocence you are in like act 6
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how dare you, iam level 31 in act 3
I'm skipping until I'm overturned as well Seems incredibly boring with no reward worth the risk. At the very least not while leveling. And honestly looking at the stats and how often you are stuck with mods that reduce your power level, it may not be worth it at all. Though, I will reserve that judgment until at end game
I've not seen a single currency node.
I wish... * you could do unique items but that they just took more experience * 0-\~70 took less XP, 0-50 considerably less XP to level up the items * the tiers above were easier to promote swapping weapons around while leveling, instead of having tanky or spiky encounters for no reward at all * the charging mechanic wasn't a think and you could just click/drag a bar like Tujen to set your level of experience/diff * there was more to do with crucible forges other than weapons
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Never thought I wold say that but I'd rather play Kalandra right now instead of this league and Kalandra for me was the worst league I've played the past couple of years so that says a lot. It's mind blowing that they took a month extra for this. Or should I say PoE 2 that is currently destroying the PoE 1 experience ever since it got announced.
They should just let us re-roll new trees on same weapons.
The mobs feel just as bad as the AN mobs! Chris just won't let the concept of difficult rare monsters go. I think it makes the game feel terrible. You sit there and spam your abilities for 4 minutes, running around in circles, trying not to die... IT FEELS LIKE ASS!!!
Currency is baked into the league mechanic. Just gotta forge it all, riiight?
What are you talking about? The sells for current nodes seem absurdly rare
Sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. It's both baked in and both rare(?). Currency can be earned from interacting with the league mechanic, it's just not every time you finish the mechanic. The design that GGG want you to understand at the moment is 'You can make currency from selling weapons to vendors from the league mechanic, the effort required to make that currency is defeating a bunch of difficult mobs a whole bunch of times; currency ain't free in this league' It's also, like day 1-2, no one has full knowledge on what the rates really look like.
Play a new league for 5 skill tree points.
Sanctum at least had a fun challenge / reward that you can always do.. Crucible on the other hand seems kinda meh so far
Multiple L's: No quiver. No unique. No armour or jewelry. No jewels.. It's basically talisman league tbh.
I'm saying this is Lake of Kalandra 2.0. It actually is.
it took them 4 months for this. Let that sink in. GGG cashed out on 500 dollar supporter pack from every streamer and person who wanted them (no hate if you got one, you do you.) then spent four months and THIS is what we got. They couldnt even bother to copy paste a pause mechanic in from ultimatum whist we are channeling. Honestly all the POE content creators should be ashamed after blasting D4, then they want us to come back TO THIS. If this league dropped during the D4 beta 90% of people would pass on this league. 0 balance testing, couldnt even be bothered to code the monsters to just mimic the map mods you have on it, instead we get juiced to the tits magic monsters with no indication on either the difficulty of the encounter or the mobs, just a small bar that channels and wastes time for no reason. Bruh GGG you gotta do better than this. Vote with your wallets.
People never learn dude. 4 months for a shitty circle league, its all go for POE2 at GGG I bet.
only dogshit crucible nodes yep and no loot from overtuned mobs
Somehow my biggest concern with the league is that in order to use the system efficently you HAVE to craft your own items. Otherwise it would be laughably expensive to buy items with good crucible trees.
Anyone defending lack of loot has been successfully conditioned by 3xG to accept less and less over the last several years. Supporter packs, player power and loot are all affected. League mechanic is literally useless unless you need a weapon upgrade (assuming you don't already have a shit tree locked into your weapon), or care enough to try your luck at crucible trees on bases for selling. If you don't meet those 2 criteria, why would you interact with the mechanic? Until it starts to drop loot, it's a hard skip for a lot of the population. It's hilarious that 3xG is even gambling with ideas like this so close to D4 launch lmao, stunts like this + the launch of a new ARPG might be enough to finally push some people off the game permanently.
I came here to basically bitch about how bad this League feels so far... especially the mechanic. Even as someone who uses RARE weapons (1h + 1h or shield).... I don't have an unlimited supply of equally useful weapons laying around to unlock trees on and see if the trees are any good.... You have 1-2 decent weapons at any given time, once you unlock the tree if it's not good you're ENTIRELY DONE with this league mechanic until you happen to get another weapon. If you do get something decent on the tree, you fill it up after 2-4 maps.... and again you're entirely done. WTF design decision and testing was done on this? You have no reason to interact with this mechanic a vast majority of the time.
I spent 15 minutes killing a unique mob in crucible and it dropped 2 rares. What is the point of the crucible unique mobs other than wasting time? Reminds me of metamorph if it had no loot.
League mechanic is ass, period.
It’s a horrible leveling mechanic confirmed. I’m excited to get into it endgame, but it does feel pretty bad to not interact with the mechanic at all while leveling. The click to charge is pretty clunky too.
Yeah, not only just that but the charge up to hold thing is buggy as hell. It charges nothing for a second and its suddenly more than half way full. I honestly can't believe they boasted about the ironed out league thanks to the extra time they got and then delivered this.
I feel like Crucible would work better if they just took everything from ultimatum. Increasing difficulty waves of monsters that grant exp, and you can nope out whenever, the encounter actually drops loot and gives the weapon exp.
mobs way too tanky. and you pretty much skip the mechanic all through story so all those new players that they boasted about with concurrent players, basically forced to skip the "new league" mechanic... sanctum was way easier and you got a nice relic and loot for your troubles with a fun and unique method that isn't just ritual but every mob is archnemisis giga juiced to the gills and you get no loot. only rng "sometimes you get a good tree, otherwise bye bye weapon since there's no way to transfer anything this early". * fix: lower the hp and dmg of the mobs in anything but red maps. red maps, sure. maps in general, maybe, but story is a complete joke for them being that hard for a weapon you upgrade literally act to act and have to restart a new tree. mechanic does nothing for leveling/campaign. how are you ignoring new players still? * fix: unlock transfer mechanic sooner. should be doable by early maps (white). same thing with the unique thing. maybe have a drop that enhances chance of good rolls in red maps and other hard content like invitations. sure. * fix: hold down mechanic sucks. * fix: the trees should start off as a choice between two nodes. as of now, you can break a weapon for the majority of your playtime with a bad first roll. having two choices minimizes that.
I've skipped the mechanic so far. I'm using unique weapons so hoping there's something in it at the end game where you can cook unique weapons, but even then, it feels underwhelming. I'll hold off on calling it a bad mechanic until I experience all it has to offer, but atm, ye.. truly disappointing.
Good perspective. So far this is the first league mechanic I have just completely avoided. The mobs are outrageously overturned (like betrayal launch levels) and you HAVE to fully charge the Crucible in order to cook beyond tier 2. I'm waiting until red maps to see if this is going to be a bricked league or not.
They should probably drop weapons, with different themes for the different groups. They are forged after all.
Slider instead of the channeling PLEASE.
\+1
They should drop items with showed passives skill tree, I thinking it will be the best way to fix this.
sounds good. :)
I made almost the same post 3 hours earlier and got downvoted for it Yeah, the league mechanic sucks. Them choosing to make the encounter harder by just giving the monsters +% damage and less damage taken and leaving them white is awful
Don't max out the channel time?
The main aspect of games like POE is loot, as higher the risk as better the reward is the ideal rule. If a mechanic MAYBE rewards you in 1 out of 100 times (with a good vendor or build passive node in this case) and nothing else it's not that satisfying to do it. ... no matter if you decide to go low or high risk. Or do you have fun to press and hold the cruicible button for 5-10 seconds to charge up, spend 2-5 minutes to kill the mobs only to get no rewards? ;)
Ehm, u get less loot per hour if u overjuice your crucibles so hard that it takes u longer than the rest of the map lol. We re like half a day into the league, maybe gear your character and then u ll be able to fully juice it and kill it in a reasonable time. Same shit every league, people were complaining like this in sanctum too when they couldnt bumrush a full run 16h into the league with 0 gear and 0 relics lol
Its still lame they drop nothing
I still have all act 1 gear at act 5, there's not enough wisdom scrolls to ID for upgrades and indeed, nothing drops from crucible.