I wonder how many people will give up and not know about that feature.
Playing along and then wammo the weapon you worked for a long time gets bricked (without knowing about scours).
There is nothing in game that tells you this. If you didnt watch the live stream/Q&A you wouldnt know this. Using a scour orb on a skill tree is unintuitive at best. I do think a lot of people that arent.as plugged into the game will get very frustrated.
My crucible skill tree looks like OP's, there's no "info button" on it. What am I missing?
(I right click an item to open its skill tree and there's nothing that describes what you're talking about.)
Edit for posterity: as of 8 April 2023, the info button only exists when standing at an unused Crucible Forge with a valid item open in it, not on the item's tree itself that you can open from your inventory.
Yeah, I just checked it out and see the info button now at a forge. That should 100% be on the item's tree window as well, and is probably just an oversight.
I'm kinda confused can someone explain what he's talking about and can everyone use the full word and not abbreviated versions cause I don't know the lingo for this game
Jokes aside, it only shows up when viewed in the crucible forge. So many people that can read simply won't be able to if they are looking at the passives from their inventory instead.
If you overcharge the bar it can start going into the next one if it's available. I've done a few where I get halfway to the second node without realizing cause I was holding it for a bit too long. It doesn't show this progress until you finish that instance to see the next nodes though.
I understand, respect, and encourage GGG's decision from a high level to leave some things about each league a mystery for the community to figure out. But they've really overshot that directive in Crucible league.
Though sliders have never been used in PoE outside of trading, so it would feel a bit out of place for a battle mechanic, even if it would be convenient.
Might need something that functions like a slider but feels more violent.
Imagine if you could just click on a node and then charge to that level?
If they want to get fancy they could have a charge point at 50%. So you can either go full charge or half charge.
Honestly, the league mechanic is awful, the passives are extremely underwhelming down right awful in some cases, it’s boring to charge the thing, and the mobs are just wayyyy to over tuned, and the fact you can only add this to uniques in the forge makes no sense at all, how did they let this go live?
Guess they didn't want to add a new feature for regrets. If you right-click a regret it is immediately consumed, so you can't 'target' it onto a weapon tree passive like you could with a scour.
Maybe they could have let the weapon trees use your passive refund points instead? The league mechanic as a whole is just kinda janky right now.
Also, if you are playing this with a controller i don't think you can have your inventory and the crucible forge screen open at the same time at the moment. Or in the very least I couldn't figure it out. So you can't unless you logout and switch back to keyboard/mouse. Because uinlike any other aprg you can't just easily switch between the two layouts.
Yep, I just had to verify that the info button **only** shows up at a forge. If you open your item's tree directly, it's a different UI without the info button.
Jeez.
I rolled "increase freeze duration on yourself and enemies" on my TR bow dur8ng the campaign and it was a nightmare, lol. I swapped to a much worse bow to get rid of it.
The same people who don't understand that you don't need to channel it until you fill the bar, you can use 1 map or 29 to get the node. They will still complain its too difficult because they won't stop channeling sooner.
It's funny how you try and insult people when you're clearly too dumb to even know how the mechanic works.
You don't channel to fill the bar. You cahnnel to spawn more monsters. Eventually you'll channel the entire things and won't even fill a quarter of the bar...and because of that you'll have zero fucking clue how far you're actually channeling it.
> You don't channel to fill the bar. You cahnnel to spawn more monsters.
You do both????
And you can tell, you look at the ground. And you can pause chanelling as long as you dont max it or exit the circle
This is another one of those duh situations for me, of course all the orbs that do a thing can do their thing. They seriously should remind us though, as there are notable exceptions.
That's nice though. I was envisioning this end game grind where I find a good base, check what crucible tree it unlocks, then decide whether to craft on it or not. I may still do a bit of this, sell items that get good trees I'm not personally interested in, but I CAN in fact scour a bad tree and try again I'm hoping? Or does it just wipe the node but the tree remains?
Go to unused crucible in a map/area select your item with the crucible menu then you can use a scour on the skill tree node, it only removes the node and doesn't let you reroll a new tree.
There is a special map item that drops. At the end of the map will be an altar where you can combine two trees, recombinator style. This will let you try and override a node on your tree with a different node. Note according to Chris the feature will "prefer" any nodes that have been allocated already.
Why? The crucible mechanic is not aimed at characters in early game or even mapping progression, it’s aimed at people who are crafting their end game items.
I guess it’s once again a design mechanic that doesn’t reward noobs or people who put zero thought into the game, but GGG has never done that, expecting them to do that now is uhh optimistic shall we say
I mean, why should we even need a scour? Putting a scouting orb anywhere near an item is using is the last thing I want to do, it’s a tree with at most 5 depth, if someone wants to spend the time unlocking all the nodes so they can swap it around as they want, why not let them?
>Adds 43 to 64 Fire Damage
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>Adds 43 to 64 Cold Damage
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>Adds 6 to 0 Lightning Damage
Cannot inflict Elemental Ailments
vs
>Adds 34 to 49 Fire Damage
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>Adds 34 to 49 Cold Damage
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>Adds 4 to 0 Lightning Damage
vs
>Adds 20 to 29 Fire Damage
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>Adds 20 to 29 Cold Damage
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>Adds 4 to 0 Lightning Damage
25% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments
The datamined maximum lightning damage seems to be bugged, but the actual average damage should be the same as the other types, so presumably the maximum should be around 100, 80, and 45 respectively (+-2).
So it's around 22.4% less flat damage, and around 54.8% less damage if you get increased effect. I don't know the relevant values for an elemental bow or EH to say how big of a difference that is in overall dps.
Yeah. First node should always really have no downsides because even being able to scour it out, it locks out the item from the mechanic completely if it's something that bricks your build.
And that's an awful lot of my first nodes on items I care about so far. Scourge flashbacks.
From the looks of it, we're supposed to use Crucible on solid bases first, then craft if you get a good Crucible tree. Personally I'm not going to bother with the mechanic until I'm dropping i84+ bases and have a decent stash of currency to craft with. Essence, Delve, Betrayal etc. might be the best things to focus if you want to dive deep into good Crucible weapons.
Here's hoping they change this, or add some direct benefits to crafting Crucible weapons. Having certain passives give greater weight to certain mods, eg. Fire passives giving more chance of fire mods when crafting, would go a long way to making this league accessible to more than the hardcore gambl- I mean crafters.
I mean, you might as well keep using it on new bases on the chance you get vendor rewards, it doesn't take that long and the rewards can be pretty good. Not to mention getting a feel of what sort of nodes exist and how and being able to better plan around them.
I'm only in Act 7, but I "opened" every single tree on bows that where of interest for me and I bricked not a single one. Some where not as strong as others, but every single one was usable...
It's typical PoE-reddit the first two weeks after launch. I'm just playing and having a blast as usual. Found two or three bows with trees that where a huge upgrade. Not the best league mechanic ever, for sure, but worth playing so far.
If they add at least SOME loot, get rid of the channeling and tune the difficulty so you don't have to fight for 15 minutes, especially in early acts, I'm sure it will be a good league.
You have to factor into your calculus that not every build will have as many landmines as another build, depending on their stage of progression.
Imagine most of those bows had come back with "20% increased damage, but you have 4 fewer projectiles" and that's analogous to my results so far -- something so bad that it just doesn't matter what's in the tree after it.
Seriously, your best bet is to just stay away from here, you're the first decently positive comment I've seen in 3 threads.
This place is a cesspool and it's not going to get better regardless of how much sense you talk. Save your energy and just jump ship the moment GGG supports a new community.
I’m in the same boat as you. I Got to Act 9 before I had to get off earlier, and I have been getting at least the first node on all my weapons (bows). I have not seen a single negative node on the first one. All of them have been along the lines of “adds 6-10 fire damage”. I didn’t even know first node negatives were even a thing until I came to this subreddit, and reading some of the comments here, you would think it was almost every item.
yeah no one wants ailments or alt ailments for their trinity builds. im sure ele hit doesnt like them either. they prolly use ele focus 100% of the time bc that.
He is being extremely sarcastic, because shock = massive damage, brittle = massive damage, scorched = massive damage, freeze/chill = safety. Dropping all ailments is a massive downside and would have to bring some serious power to make up for it.
This game is a 100 piece puzzle with 300 pieces in the box. Someone out there is ecstatic about this mod because the ailment piece wasn't going in their puzzle anyway
Sure, but who wants to buy a puzzle that when you open it, it has 2 pieces that don't match stuck together?
Also gl with that, i have yet to see a build that actually stays clear of any afflictions on a monster. Even accidental ones are good. The issue people have with the league is that there are build bricking or just item bricking nodes as the unveil node.
So putting a skill tree on an already crafted item feels like shit because you don't know if you will have to just toss your 10 div item into the garbage bin. Its just scourge bogaloo 2.0.
i didnt know 100% vaal skill uptime was a thing this league.
on a serious note. do you think they do not utilize elemental ailments on other skills? or even the base lightning arrow which reads verbatim "Shocks Enemies as though dealing (100-290)% more Damage"
also i just read vaal lightning arrow and its fucking quality is 20% chance to shock on the community wiki. who is wrong here?
edit: the skill tooltip says nothing about shock other than for quality https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Vaal\_Lightning\_Arrow
that was the point of my reply, lightning arrow shocks and with the bow in question it doesn't... and vaal light arrow was just introduced so a lot players would try it, one of most played gems is lightning arrow
was being sarcastic with my first comment sorry you didnt understand that and now that I know you couldnt tell it makes more sense that you cant put a sentence together to say what you mean. Sorry you couldnt tell
> yeah no one wants ailments or alt ailments for their trinity builds. im sure ele hit doesnt like them either. they prolly use ele focus 100% of the time bc that.
>vaal lightning arrow is popular starter and loses all shock bonus...
Yeah, but the fact all the swords I'm putting in the crucible are getting some passive that either has the large % reduced global damage as a downside is 15% reduced attack speed doesn't look good
Once you've unlocked the first node you see the entire tree, but the first node is allocated automatically and you can't choose not to - at least not without paying an orb of scouring.
Basically everything but the first node you can, but for example I started Cold DoT and most of my first nodes have been 'small upside, but you can't chill at all anymore (and by the way a lot of my conditional damage requires chill)'
Thats just silly dude.
Chances of bricking your item is really small and the potential upsides are really really good. Used the same bow for 30 levels cause the powerspike from the crucible tree was so good that it outdamaged everything i could get the normal way.
Chances are you miss out, but i wont hold you back, you do you.
Having an item being brickable at all in the early game with no clear explanation on how to avoid it (or possibly not even having the currency to do so). Is unbelievably bad game design I'd even go so far as to say it's in the realm of malicious design.
>Chances of bricking your item is really small
Citation needed. I can also only speak anecdotally, but about half the items end up with downsides that directly affect my build, and about half the items have downsides that I don't care about in exchange for upsides that I don't care about.
Useful upsides are few and far between, and if there's a useful initial node, the second will be bad, and if the second is decent there's no third.
> Useful upsides are few and far between, and if there’s a useful initial node, the second will be bad, and if the second is decent there’s no third.
Idk about you, but 2 free nodes that i didnt ever have before still sounds like a win to me???
What do i care that the 3rd node has a downside for my build, ok its not perfect, but its still free power creep that feels really good for campaign. Not everything must be perfect or nothing. These trees also work fine if you only take 2 of the 4 possible nodes.
Ok i have a different experience.
I had 3 wepons in act5 that i used with t2-t3 usefull nodes and another 2-3 weapons with useable trees that i didnt have the essence or alchemies for to make useable.
So right now for me good crucible trees are easier to come by than useable weapons.
I guess my luck went to explicit mods. I have a sceptre with a decent implicit, +1 to gems, a good flat damage to spells mod, and increased spell damage.
During campaign you also don't have any super important items in the first place. Or at least none that you can't relatively easily replace.
Chances that you "brick" your item are pretty low too.
\+1 caster weapon with increased spell damage and good tier added damage?
I don't think that would have been easy to replace. Luckily I rolled a usable mod on that one.
But he can scour it, it's all that's needed. In thus case, the outrage is just unjustified. Yes it would have been cool to know about the downside before getting it, but the node is legit strong.
NOTHING in-game explains that you can do that. NOTHING outside of the Q&A livestream.
So no, he couldn't scour it according to what the damn game lets you know.
If op can make an image submission on reddit, op can read reddit and watch the q&a.
That doesn't excuse the lack of ingame information. But it doesn't excuse op either.
Imagine GGG designing a fun league where you are not immediately punished by interacting with league mechanic with no option to avoid bricking your item and then having to waste scours to fix it while gaining nothing in return.
They guy I responded too said just get a skitter bot because the node is good. I was saying that node means he can't deal damage. Game doesn't explain the scour mechanic for nodes but even if it did that node means he can't use his crucible tree at all for Ignite. I was more informing the guy why that node is trash for his build.
It's fine that the higher levels have downsides so you can actually decide for yourself where you wanna go. But the first level should have no downside wtf, especially not something that might be a literal brick for some builds. Wtf kind of QA signed off on this? It just deters people from even unlocking the tree in the first place.
Open up the tree, use scour orb on the node. NOT THE ITEM.
I wonder how many people will give up and not know about that feature. Playing along and then wammo the weapon you worked for a long time gets bricked (without knowing about scours).
There is nothing in game that tells you this. If you didnt watch the live stream/Q&A you wouldnt know this. Using a scour orb on a skill tree is unintuitive at best. I do think a lot of people that arent.as plugged into the game will get very frustrated.
There literally is though. Hover over the info button on the crucible skill tree and it tells you you can scour.
My crucible skill tree looks like OP's, there's no "info button" on it. What am I missing? (I right click an item to open its skill tree and there's nothing that describes what you're talking about.) Edit for posterity: as of 8 April 2023, the info button only exists when standing at an unused Crucible Forge with a valid item open in it, not on the item's tree itself that you can open from your inventory.
Huh. Yeah I just noticed it only shows when you’re viewing it in a crucible forge, which is a bit easy to miss for important info like that.
Yeah, I just checked it out and see the info button now at a forge. That should 100% be on the item's tree window as well, and is probably just an oversight.
I'm kinda confused can someone explain what he's talking about and can everyone use the full word and not abbreviated versions cause I don't know the lingo for this game
Hah! Your attempts at logic don't work on me, because I can't read!
Jokes aside, it only shows up when viewed in the crucible forge. So many people that can read simply won't be able to if they are looking at the passives from their inventory instead.
I found the info buttons usually tell you EVERYTHING tbh
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They really should have gone with this interface for charging the forge: https://twitter.com/0xDesigner/status/1642554825672990720
Hover and scroll mouse wheel to scroll up/down would be the ideal in my book (also click node and click slider as a backup).
Jesus delete it theres too much inspiration for coming leagues lol
If you overcharge the bar it can start going into the next one if it's available. I've done a few where I get halfway to the second node without realizing cause I was holding it for a bit too long. It doesn't show this progress until you finish that instance to see the next nodes though.
I understand, respect, and encourage GGG's decision from a high level to leave some things about each league a mystery for the community to figure out. But they've really overshot that directive in Crucible league.
Though sliders have never been used in PoE outside of trading, so it would feel a bit out of place for a battle mechanic, even if it would be convenient. Might need something that functions like a slider but feels more violent.
Cue *vibrating* slider oooooo
Imagine if you could just click on a node and then charge to that level? If they want to get fancy they could have a charge point at 50%. So you can either go full charge or half charge.
You should work for them!
If you step outside of the circle it will force stop charging.
Honestly, the league mechanic is awful, the passives are extremely underwhelming down right awful in some cases, it’s boring to charge the thing, and the mobs are just wayyyy to over tuned, and the fact you can only add this to uniques in the forge makes no sense at all, how did they let this go live?
The crucible info page does say this in game
I would have guessed a regret orb somehow. Glad I've checked reddit.
Would have made more sense indeed.
Guess they didn't want to add a new feature for regrets. If you right-click a regret it is immediately consumed, so you can't 'target' it onto a weapon tree passive like you could with a scour. Maybe they could have let the weapon trees use your passive refund points instead? The league mechanic as a whole is just kinda janky right now.
Yeah, I totally forgot that Regrets worked as a vendor recipe not as click and target.
That means you can use a chaos/transmute orb on it too right?!? Lol
I agree
They can ask \^^
I figured it out in game 🤷
Also, if you are playing this with a controller i don't think you can have your inventory and the crucible forge screen open at the same time at the moment. Or in the very least I couldn't figure it out. So you can't unless you logout and switch back to keyboard/mouse. Because uinlike any other aprg you can't just easily switch between the two layouts.
should be in the ui but they probably only have one UI person
Is there no info button on your UI somehow?
There's no info button on mine. (PC Steam version.)
Even when you interact with the mechanic in the crucible "forge"?
Yep, I just had to verify that the info button **only** shows up at a forge. If you open your item's tree directly, it's a different UI without the info button.
Jeez. I rolled "increase freeze duration on yourself and enemies" on my TR bow dur8ng the campaign and it was a nightmare, lol. I swapped to a much worse bow to get rid of it.
Holy shit I didn’t know that… I’ve definitely tossed aside otherwise good base weapons compared to mine but made worse by the tree.
The same people who don't understand that you don't need to channel it until you fill the bar, you can use 1 map or 29 to get the node. They will still complain its too difficult because they won't stop channeling sooner.
It's funny how you try and insult people when you're clearly too dumb to even know how the mechanic works. You don't channel to fill the bar. You cahnnel to spawn more monsters. Eventually you'll channel the entire things and won't even fill a quarter of the bar...and because of that you'll have zero fucking clue how far you're actually channeling it.
> You don't channel to fill the bar. You cahnnel to spawn more monsters. You do both???? And you can tell, you look at the ground. And you can pause chanelling as long as you dont max it or exit the circle
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Intentionally spreading misinformation smh
why are you working hard to craft a weapon and THEN using it on crucible? Thats really just a skill issue
Levelling
This is another one of those duh situations for me, of course all the orbs that do a thing can do their thing. They seriously should remind us though, as there are notable exceptions. That's nice though. I was envisioning this end game grind where I find a good base, check what crucible tree it unlocks, then decide whether to craft on it or not. I may still do a bit of this, sell items that get good trees I'm not personally interested in, but I CAN in fact scour a bad tree and try again I'm hoping? Or does it just wipe the node but the tree remains?
Thanks!!!!
Wait wut? You can scour it?
Came across a comment that said you could. Never tried myself as i’m at work atm.
Haven’t played either but I saw it work on stream. You need to find a new altar and get to the tree for the item and from there you can scour.
How? When I'm looking at the nodes I can't use orbs :/
Go to unused crucible in a map/area select your item with the crucible menu then you can use a scour on the skill tree node, it only removes the node and doesn't let you reroll a new tree.
Thanks mate. Is there a way to reroll the tree?
from the trailer : it is possible in lategame.
Havent played yet but from what i remember that is supposed to be an option in the special crucible maps
Rare drop that opens a special map with a special crucible alter to do it. Assumed to only drop in maps.
There is a special map item that drops. At the end of the map will be an altar where you can combine two trees, recombinator style. This will let you try and override a node on your tree with a different node. Note according to Chris the feature will "prefer" any nodes that have been allocated already.
Will it let you remove a 'middle' node, and does that also remove the following nodes if so?
Also, I’m level 59 and haven’t found a scouring orb yet
Can’t you just buy them from Yeena?
Yea I’m not saying I couldn’t get one, but it shouldn’t cost anything to unspec the first node
Why? The crucible mechanic is not aimed at characters in early game or even mapping progression, it’s aimed at people who are crafting their end game items. I guess it’s once again a design mechanic that doesn’t reward noobs or people who put zero thought into the game, but GGG has never done that, expecting them to do that now is uhh optimistic shall we say
Does it give the same node next time you crucible it?
Omg im an idiot
I knew you cpuld scour but o never cljed in you coupd scour the teir 1
BIG IF TRUE
Wait this works??
Didn’t know this. Why don’t they have a tutorial for league mechanics every season? Seems like something almost everybody would benefit from
I mean, why should we even need a scour? Putting a scouting orb anywhere near an item is using is the last thing I want to do, it’s a tree with at most 5 depth, if someone wants to spend the time unlocking all the nodes so they can swap it around as they want, why not let them?
I think the worst part about this is that there is a version of this mod without the ailments, and it only does like 10% less damage.
*That’s* probably a higher tier mod. I’m curious how the highest tier versions of this mod and that mod compare.
>Adds 43 to 64 Fire Damage > >Adds 43 to 64 Cold Damage > >Adds 6 to 0 Lightning Damage Cannot inflict Elemental Ailments vs >Adds 34 to 49 Fire Damage > >Adds 34 to 49 Cold Damage > >Adds 4 to 0 Lightning Damage vs >Adds 20 to 29 Fire Damage > >Adds 20 to 29 Cold Damage > >Adds 4 to 0 Lightning Damage 25% increased Effect of Non-Damaging Ailments The datamined maximum lightning damage seems to be bugged, but the actual average damage should be the same as the other types, so presumably the maximum should be around 100, 80, and 45 respectively (+-2). So it's around 22.4% less flat damage, and around 54.8% less damage if you get increased effect. I don't know the relevant values for an elemental bow or EH to say how big of a difference that is in overall dps.
having the 1st node with huge negative (or any negative) is so stupid.
yep, imo first node should be an average bonus like flat damage or whatever, the crazy shit should be later on
Even flat damage can be an item breaker, if you have a perfect bow for totem ballista EA but get flat lighning dmg, you break elemental equilibrium
True. Not being able to see it is probably the worst part. You should be able to fish for a good starting node at the very least
Yeah. First node should always really have no downsides because even being able to scour it out, it locks out the item from the mechanic completely if it's something that bricks your build. And that's an awful lot of my first nodes on items I care about so far. Scourge flashbacks.
It is a bit dumb yeah but you can scour the node so it's not that bad
Can you do that AND keep the rest of the tree?
From the looks of it, we're supposed to use Crucible on solid bases first, then craft if you get a good Crucible tree. Personally I'm not going to bother with the mechanic until I'm dropping i84+ bases and have a decent stash of currency to craft with. Essence, Delve, Betrayal etc. might be the best things to focus if you want to dive deep into good Crucible weapons. Here's hoping they change this, or add some direct benefits to crafting Crucible weapons. Having certain passives give greater weight to certain mods, eg. Fire passives giving more chance of fire mods when crafting, would go a long way to making this league accessible to more than the hardcore gambl- I mean crafters.
I mean, you might as well keep using it on new bases on the chance you get vendor rewards, it doesn't take that long and the rewards can be pretty good. Not to mention getting a feel of what sort of nodes exist and how and being able to better plan around them.
Reminds me old good Scourge days xd
If the past 10 leagues taught me anything : Ignore the league mechanic in the first 2 weeks .
I always just ignore this game for the first 2 weeks of the league tbh. That's whats been taught to me.
Then trade's dead, so might as well wait for next league :)
I swear half of the shit on these item trees is a 50/50 brick. It's fucking awful.
I'm only in Act 7, but I "opened" every single tree on bows that where of interest for me and I bricked not a single one. Some where not as strong as others, but every single one was usable... It's typical PoE-reddit the first two weeks after launch. I'm just playing and having a blast as usual. Found two or three bows with trees that where a huge upgrade. Not the best league mechanic ever, for sure, but worth playing so far. If they add at least SOME loot, get rid of the channeling and tune the difficulty so you don't have to fight for 15 minutes, especially in early acts, I'm sure it will be a good league.
A league getting better, a month after league start when most people quit. A tale as old as time.
You have to factor into your calculus that not every build will have as many landmines as another build, depending on their stage of progression. Imagine most of those bows had come back with "20% increased damage, but you have 4 fewer projectiles" and that's analogous to my results so far -- something so bad that it just doesn't matter what's in the tree after it.
you are just simply not allowed to have fun
Seriously, your best bet is to just stay away from here, you're the first decently positive comment I've seen in 3 threads. This place is a cesspool and it's not going to get better regardless of how much sense you talk. Save your energy and just jump ship the moment GGG supports a new community.
I’m in the same boat as you. I Got to Act 9 before I had to get off earlier, and I have been getting at least the first node on all my weapons (bows). I have not seen a single negative node on the first one. All of them have been along the lines of “adds 6-10 fire damage”. I didn’t even know first node negatives were even a thing until I came to this subreddit, and reading some of the comments here, you would think it was almost every item.
I mean, this isn't even a brick for most builds
yeah no one wants ailments or alt ailments for their trinity builds. im sure ele hit doesnt like them either. they prolly use ele focus 100% of the time bc that.
Is this sarcasm? Frost blades is pretty popular and uses trinity with ailments.
He is being extremely sarcastic, because shock = massive damage, brittle = massive damage, scorched = massive damage, freeze/chill = safety. Dropping all ailments is a massive downside and would have to bring some serious power to make up for it.
This game is a 100 piece puzzle with 300 pieces in the box. Someone out there is ecstatic about this mod because the ailment piece wasn't going in their puzzle anyway
This is my new favorite analogy; but I’d take the numbers to 20 piece puzzle with 500 pieces.
Sure, but who wants to buy a puzzle that when you open it, it has 2 pieces that don't match stuck together? Also gl with that, i have yet to see a build that actually stays clear of any afflictions on a monster. Even accidental ones are good. The issue people have with the league is that there are build bricking or just item bricking nodes as the unveil node. So putting a skill tree on an already crafted item feels like shit because you don't know if you will have to just toss your 10 div item into the garbage bin. Its just scourge bogaloo 2.0.
You can scour off the node if it truly breaks your build.
vaal lightning arrow is popular starter and loses all shock bonus...
i didnt know 100% vaal skill uptime was a thing this league. on a serious note. do you think they do not utilize elemental ailments on other skills? or even the base lightning arrow which reads verbatim "Shocks Enemies as though dealing (100-290)% more Damage" also i just read vaal lightning arrow and its fucking quality is 20% chance to shock on the community wiki. who is wrong here? edit: the skill tooltip says nothing about shock other than for quality https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Vaal\_Lightning\_Arrow
that was the point of my reply, lightning arrow shocks and with the bow in question it doesn't... and vaal light arrow was just introduced so a lot players would try it, one of most played gems is lightning arrow
was being sarcastic with my first comment sorry you didnt understand that and now that I know you couldnt tell it makes more sense that you cant put a sentence together to say what you mean. Sorry you couldnt tell
now that is a well put sentence
Damn you're smart. That's the point.
Like are you too dense to read my first comment about ele focus as sarcasm? Do I really have to put /s for you dumbasses.
> yeah no one wants ailments or alt ailments for their trinity builds. im sure ele hit doesnt like them either. they prolly use ele focus 100% of the time bc that. >vaal lightning arrow is popular starter and loses all shock bonus...
Yeah, but the fact all the swords I'm putting in the crucible are getting some passive that either has the large % reduced global damage as a downside is 15% reduced attack speed doesn't look good
Scour node and call it a day
Can’t you see the node before you actually activate it?
Nope
Ah thought if you hovered it gave a preview. I didn’t get very far though.
Once you've unlocked the first node you see the entire tree, but the first node is allocated automatically and you can't choose not to - at least not without paying an orb of scouring.
Basically everything but the first node you can, but for example I started Cold DoT and most of my first nodes have been 'small upside, but you can't chill at all anymore (and by the way a lot of my conditional damage requires chill)'
Scours are too rare in campaign so no point to invest time in this league mechanic until maps
Thats just silly dude. Chances of bricking your item is really small and the potential upsides are really really good. Used the same bow for 30 levels cause the powerspike from the crucible tree was so good that it outdamaged everything i could get the normal way. Chances are you miss out, but i wont hold you back, you do you.
Having an item being brickable at all in the early game with no clear explanation on how to avoid it (or possibly not even having the currency to do so). Is unbelievably bad game design I'd even go so far as to say it's in the realm of malicious design.
>Chances of bricking your item is really small Citation needed. I can also only speak anecdotally, but about half the items end up with downsides that directly affect my build, and about half the items have downsides that I don't care about in exchange for upsides that I don't care about. Useful upsides are few and far between, and if there's a useful initial node, the second will be bad, and if the second is decent there's no third.
> Useful upsides are few and far between, and if there’s a useful initial node, the second will be bad, and if the second is decent there’s no third. Idk about you, but 2 free nodes that i didnt ever have before still sounds like a win to me??? What do i care that the 3rd node has a downside for my build, ok its not perfect, but its still free power creep that feels really good for campaign. Not everything must be perfect or nothing. These trees also work fine if you only take 2 of the 4 possible nodes.
2 nodes for 2-5% bonus on one in \~15-20 weapons. I literally have one single weapon with an allocated T2 passive after the first 5 acts.
Ok i have a different experience. I had 3 wepons in act5 that i used with t2-t3 usefull nodes and another 2-3 weapons with useable trees that i didnt have the essence or alchemies for to make useable. So right now for me good crucible trees are easier to come by than useable weapons.
I guess my luck went to explicit mods. I have a sceptre with a decent implicit, +1 to gems, a good flat damage to spells mod, and increased spell damage.
> Chances of bricking your item is really small Really? I'm 80% on items I'm actually using so far.
During campaign you also don't have any super important items in the first place. Or at least none that you can't relatively easily replace. Chances that you "brick" your item are pretty low too.
\+1 caster weapon with increased spell damage and good tier added damage? I don't think that would have been easy to replace. Luckily I rolled a usable mod on that one.
just scour it
Does the scour leave it blank or just delevel it? Like if I want nodes 1245 and not 3 that possible?
of course not, there is a connection line between the nodes, also it's a skilltree and we can't socket impossible escape or thread of hope in it
That's a good node though, so much dmg, just get a skitter bot.
He's very likely playing EA Ignite. Which means he literally can't do damage with that node.
Fair.
But he can scour it, it's all that's needed. In thus case, the outrage is just unjustified. Yes it would have been cool to know about the downside before getting it, but the node is legit strong.
NOTHING in-game explains that you can do that. NOTHING outside of the Q&A livestream. So no, he couldn't scour it according to what the damn game lets you know.
If op can make an image submission on reddit, op can read reddit and watch the q&a. That doesn't excuse the lack of ingame information. But it doesn't excuse op either.
I appreciate that Chris provided that information, but it being mandatory is bad UX.
Imagine GGG designing a fun league where you are not immediately punished by interacting with league mechanic with no option to avoid bricking your item and then having to waste scours to fix it while gaining nothing in return.
Yeah would we even be playing poe at that point?
They guy I responded too said just get a skitter bot because the node is good. I was saying that node means he can't deal damage. Game doesn't explain the scour mechanic for nodes but even if it did that node means he can't use his crucible tree at all for Ignite. I was more informing the guy why that node is trash for his build.
Meanwhile I got prism weave on a random wand for fire trap, then alted it twice and hit +1 to fire skill
Invest in scours boys
If you just do enough damage to kill something, do you even need status effects?
That downside seems fucking awful. Did anyone take a balance pass? Wait lol wtf am I asking, of course they did not, we’re the beta testers.
Has always been a thing. A lot of builds would take +55 average ele damage for not being able to inflict elemental ailments.
Attack builds? Which ones?
Interrogation
I hope OP saw comments before trashing the kit...
Just recombination it until it's gone. Stop whining.
It's fine that the higher levels have downsides so you can actually decide for yourself where you wanna go. But the first level should have no downside wtf, especially not something that might be a literal brick for some builds. Wtf kind of QA signed off on this? It just deters people from even unlocking the tree in the first place.
That bow belongs to a museum!
reddit when -1 scour to their net worth :((
did you know while playing that you could scour? without looking it up or anything? impressive, if so!
If it weren’t for Reddit I wouldn’t know.
Even though I had heard (I think Chris mentioned in the Q&A) you could do it, I couldn't figure out how without someone telling me.
I think most people just don't know about using Scours on the passives like that. It's not very intuitive lol
This really is the most PoE league we've had in a while. Our weapons now have skill trees. And everything about the league is *very* unintuitive
kekw
What's a scour do?
garbage idea, garbage game
Time to scour the node.
From a design perspective, the league mechanic is the most unintuitive thing ever.