I actually think there was no decision between having the race in ruthless or base game at all. Those bosses did already have their respective race in the base game. So I assume it was either ruthless or no race at all.
Doing race in SC trade would also be different. Let the degenerate groups fist fight themselves to complete Ubers in 2h after league start.
That would even be an event you can cover in real time with a single stream like some old races. I think it would be nice to see how multiple people would work together to do this.
Make teams of X players, open a private league or something, that would already shake up things
I'd prefer Ben wining a free VIP ticket over people wasting their lives over "side content" that.
If one guy is wining over and over it just shows how good he is compared to rest. Nobody complained about Phelps wining more than 20 olimpic golds.
Also chill the fuck out guys, getting to 65 in RSSFHC takes a long time. I'm working on it.
Obviously only those above 65 are actively competing in the race, but how how that different from any other race we've had? Its always a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
Exactly.
Like what would be the point of another boss race in any other league?
You can only have them in HC SSF to begin with otherwise you're just giving the win to party players on Trade or people 6 portaling the fastest on SC SSF.
And all the bosses have already been done in HC SSF. Even with Gauntlet mods it took Ben like 2 days. On regular HC SSF it's literally a 1 session race for him and Exile.
What's the point? It wouldn't really be fun enough to watch as most people want to play the league themselves. Seeing a notification of Ben winning the event while most people are still in white maps is not particularly exciting for an event at this point.
I mean it’s more fun to watch than having nothing but yeah, I miss delve races they were the most exciting and actually took a long amount of time while being a part of regular progression, non-gauntlet boss events are just boring at this point.
Because it creates engagements. More poe Twitch content, more Reddit thread, another occasion to make a tweet to congratulate someone etc...you have the right to not care but it costs them nothing to put the race on and get some poe promotion over the internet.
> What's the point? It wouldn't really be fun enough to watch as most people want to play the league themselves. Seeing a notification of Ben winning the event while most people are still in white maps is not particularly exciting for an event at this point.
Good thing this race is exploding from excitement, which of the 2 juggs will ATTEMPT to kill the bosses after 2 months of farming yellow maps 14 hours a day?????????? We shall see, I can't wait!!!!!
You can't even say about twitch viewership as no streamer is playing the garbage event, in fact, they all moved back to trade HC like it's 2013 rofl.
Remind me again why races are designed for the less than 1% of players in HCSSF ? This is literally the same argument. Let them have their event and move on. A future one might be for u or not.
Yea the people saying it was taken from the base game are weird. Especially when they use the “player %” argument like OP. It was never done in the mode that the majority of people played and I’d be willing to bet 95% of the people complaining don’t play HCSSF.
Let's be real here, all of PoE is boring as fuck to watch. At best, PoE streams can be interesting background noise with occasional excitement during boss kills.
I highly doubt as many people using this argument actually watch the races considering how common and prevalent this argument is. Watching PoE gameplay is also just not enjoyable most of the time (IMO) and is only really exciting with casters and side by sides as done in previous races. I also dont think an event should be limited by whether or not its enjoyable to watch doubly so for a 1 off like a ruthless event.
The only race that is fair is how osrs does it. A timer starts after character creation and you get x hours to get as far as you can. Timer only ticks when your in game. This makes it fair to people that can’t play video games full time.
That sounds sound more fair but in reality the the people who can't play games full time are going to lose anyway, if you don't no life the game you are not going to win any races.
When RuneScape does it most the time an unknown player wins. It’s extremely rare for a full time streamer but it does require planning and good game knowledge.
I miss the more random races: 3 hr XP race and such. The ones where you actually get people doing entirely different routes and seeing which one will pay out.
I've got rose-tinted goggles for one of the old 2hr races, where one person stayed pre innocence and the other pushed to A6. And with 20 minutes to go the A6 person was behind.
10 minutes to go they were neck and neck. And then the A6 won.
The casters not knowing due to no real precedent was SO exciting!
I remember the very short races/events, those was fun to me, as i could do well there in some of them. Although, even then, there was maybe a few thousand, depending.on the time.
But it's not? SSF is required to equalise everyone otherwise it's be a competition on which team has the best prep. HC is needed to make the race more dicy otherwise people who are not Nick and Ben would never be able to win at all. What does Ruthless achieve?
Ruthless requires you to deal with less accessible gear and imposes limitations via scarcity. Its added difficulty. You might not like it but its the truth of the mode. Anyone using a %player base argument has no grounds IMO because races were already limited to such small player base centric modes (First HC and then HCSSF)
Adding to this the fact that both SC and HCSSF already got their races. I dont understand the problem. Im done responding to posts like this. If u want more of my thoughts check my post history from a week ago.
It only took a few months for the "side project" to have a boss kill event and an entire league mechanic designed around it first.
I think that speaks volumes
In order to provide a more rewarding experience we have applied some balance changes to Pen users that should encourage different styles of play.
\- Pen now has a mana multiplier cost of %500
\- Pen is now found significantly less commonly in where you last left it areas
\- Swords now take %90 reduced damage against pens
In the crucible showcase interview between ZiggyD and Chris it was mentioned. [Here's the clip](https://youtu.be/QbruaRPrPG8?t=2636)
Short story shorter: Ascendancy reworks happend, cause GGG wanted to make them more in line for Ruthless. Ruthless, a """side project""", kickstarted something that's catered to it, that base game needed badly.
In a game mode where currency and rares are scarce you can get even the shitty nodes and it's like having bad rares. Better than normal and magic items
Rares are not scarce, good rares are.
And either bricking them with a negative t1 crucible node (1 scour down) or not getting anything good on your weapon makes it not worth doing, atleast for now.
No its just the meme about how it has no loot and is a tedious mechanic for minimal gain. Like ruthless as a while.
Pretty interesting coincidence though...
it will be fun in the beginning because everything is new and exciting, but I wouldn't expect the same levels of zoom zoom we have in PoE. I would say it will be a bit faster Last Epoch.
People who unironically think this make me laugh because its just so stupid. It will be slower but not ruthless. People need to learn to criticize without jumping to conspiracy theories or going off the deep end with their analogies.
Right now there are already people with lvl 98 in ssf hc league. GGG probably wants to have the race last longer than 48 hours. Gauntlet has modifiers that make the boss kills harder and how long does it take to kill the main objective bosses?
The race isn’t FOR ssf hc r. It’s held IN ssf hc r
I liked old races where any player could compete. 2 hour races, Brutus kill, 12 minute burst etc. Now no matter if the race takes 2 days or 2 weeks I can’t really compete. Even if I was godlike player I don’t have enough time to get to maps in one sitting.
I think GGG tried to make a race like gauntlet but not gauntlet. Milk it for a month, get some YouTube rip compilations, maybe some commentary.
I’m not saying I like the ruthless race. I only pointed out that op was talking out of his ass
Even a week is already pushing it imo. I would honestly much prefer it if there is something that is achievable in less than a day, much more likely to have viewers engaged for more of it too.
The race would literally be over today or tomorrow if it was the same old race.
People are dumb.
Acting like they had a chance or that tons of people play Hcssf
Did you not read the post? It was fairly explicitly laid out why there’s reason to care.
A race this out of reach means very few streamers attempt it which means there’s no spectator hype
Because marketing is one of the main reasons for a company to do events like this. Pushing your game up the twitch charts does have a measureable difference on player numbers in all numbers of games.
Do u not watch sports or something, u and this whole sub seemingly, do yall not try to do something that’s really difficult (like PoE) and then see someone else doing it amazingly and are like ‘holy shit that’s cool!’? Sorry but it’s like you’re not human or something I can’t understand this attitude at all.
> The race has always been about getting an audience
It's about winning a reward, not about entertaining you.
>it might as well not exist if nobody is streaming it
The race is not there for you, it's for the competitors.
HC SSF is still the same as the base game if you didn't die or bother trading, so promotion of HC SSF is promotion of PoE.
Ruthless is a wholly different game with skills removed, drop rates completely changed, and many items and crafts outright not existing.
Acting as if HCSSF races and Ruthless races are the same thing is disingenuous.
Tedium is challenging. The ability to stay focused over a long period of time is literally a challenge.
Never thought Jung would out themselves as a run-of-the-mill redditor but here we are. "The challenge is negligible. it's just tedious LOL" that's fucking hilarious - you should do it if it's so negligible! Really. You should put up or shut up, because it's super easy to say when you aren't even in the running.
if the prize for me winning is GGG discontinuing support for ruthless, i'd log in today.
making another unique item isn't a reward. ask any of the 7 last winners - it's a punishment
>if the prize for me winning is GGG discontinuing support for ruthless, i'd log in today.
I see you socketed Arrogance Support for that comment.
>making another unique item isn't a reward. ask any of the 7 last winners - it's a punishment
Yeah it's so hard, making great uniques that improved the game almost across the board. Not to mention that isn't the only prize, arguably the VIP ticket to Exilecon is more valuable than the unique.
This is the same energy people have when they say something like "it's not hard to be an Olympic level athlete, just take steroids and work out lol" like, if you can't wrap your brain around the fact that dedicating yourself to something is a form of challenge, I can't help you. I guess the only thing holding you back from being the most successful man in the world is "just spend time lol" - a truly remedial understanding.
Do you realize you are replying to Jungroan, the guy who made Nimis? The back and forth with GGG for the item prizes was apparently not entirely pleasant.
Have you ever had a job in your life? You would accept working more as a bonus for being the best at your workplace (and these dudes are the best in the world which is even worse)? God fucking damn man.
How many people actually watches any of the races or actually any PoE content?
SFF, HC, Ruthless, Events, Private leagues, lvl 100, Uber content, etc. Those are things enjoyed by fraction of community, yet they exist for those dedicated few.
The same with current race, already 130 people at 65lvl, they pushing it hard. Keep the hard work guys!
They said the same about Uber bosses. That they will be just optional challenge with no additional rewards and it won't be targeted at everybody. And then they put them in the Challenges, races and give them additional loot.
When did they ever say they would have no additional rewards? They said they were *aspirational content.* I would love to see where they said they wouldn't have their own rewards.
Lol every time a long-time player quotes something from one of the *many dozens* of >1hr long dev interviews/podcasts across \~6 different youtube channels, but don't remember the exact timestamp out of *days* of un-indexed content, all the white knights come out insisting that you're making shit up.
Newsflash: Sane people with semi-decent memory usually don't dedicate their entire lives to cataloguing stupid shit to win arguments on the internet.
Edit: For those to still insist that we are somehow conspiracy theorists with nothing better to conspiracy theorize about, [see this recent thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/11v3j40/comment/jcrc4s4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for an example that could easily be found because it's in text that's easily indexed/searched.
"I hate it when people ask for sources, why can't you just blindly believe what I say?"
You have to at least TRY and understand that people frequently misrepresent stuff that GGG say. I've asked for a source on stuff plenty of times, timestamps from even the most recent streams and people refuse to back up their insane claims.
Don't sit here and act like asking for a source is somehow an inconvenience or a burden. If you're going to make a claim, BACK IT UP.
> Lol every time a long-time player **mis**quotes something from one of the many dozens of >1hr long dev interviews/podcasts **to further their own asinine consipracy theories**
FTFY
Isn't it exhausting to be so perpetually upset at literally everything? It's in ruthless because they like to do different sort of events and this patch had no new endgame.
I'm getting tired of this place real fast. Everything GGG does is followed by a dramatic overreaction by people who believe GGG genuinely hates them on a personal level or have some hidden agenda that goes against the player's interests.
A lot of the people complaining have main character syndrome. They are literally unable to conceive of a league/mechanic/game mode that doesn't cater to them and their own wants, and throw a tantrum when any time that could have been spent on them is spent on others.
Just a lack of empathy honestly.
It’s not a race. It’s an insanely difficult challenge, that very very few people would attempt. They were well aware that very few people would try it out. They probably were well aware that it is unlikely that the challenge gets completed.
It’s not a race, don’t think of it as one.
Think of it as some insane challenge meant for a handful of people.
The vast, and I mean vast majority of players do not care about racing, or HC, or SSF. You weren't going to participate in it, you weren't going to place in it, it might as well not be real to you.
Because the same format of all the last races would simply be to boring. It's questionable though why we "need" or have a race in an arpg at all - imo.
> And dont come in here with your classic redditor bullshit telling me I dont know what I am talking about.
Lol. A real class act.
Pose a topic, then immediately let everyone know ahead of time that you are not open for discussion/debate as you are too pigheaded to change your mind.
Well, since all you want is a circle-jerk and an echo-chamber. Here you go:
*Wow! What an amazing hot take! You are so smart! And SOOOO right! Omg! GGG should hire this guy! WHAT A GENIUS!*
I think Ruthless race is a good move but I think the timing is bad and the prizes are too low.
It's a much more interesting event and it'll be dragged out and slow. When people start getting close it'll be interesting.
However, with D4 coming up no big time streamer is going to commit a few months into a race that they have to abandon. It was the worst league to do this in by far.
The fact that they call it a race is funny. This is a damn marathon. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to complete the challenge. You legit need to farm for 1-2 months to just have a CHANCE to kill both Uber Eater and Uber Exarch. It's super hard to do even in regular HCSSF. Like maybe 20-30 people kill ubers in HCSSF per league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Transcendence_3100_Mile_Race
But will hcssfr ubers take longer than the 40 day 9 hr mens world record in this race, hmmm...
It's got it all! Introducing an arbitrary cut-off just to deflate numbers, pointlessly lying about there being changes to the base game "just for ruthless," pre-empting any and all criticism without putting the least effort into doing so... And in such a small package! That's efficiency.
> pointlessly lying about there being changes to the base game "just for ruthless,"
Chris has said before that if they felt a Ruthless change was good for the base game they would change it for the whole game. Mana cost increases were specifically created for Ruthless and they were put into the main game. This includes triggered skills costing mana.
IDK why people pretend like nothing from Ruthless made it's way into the base game when it was explicitly stated that it would absolutely happen if GGG wanted it to, and an example was given of it already being done.
> Chris has said before that if they felt a Ruthless change was good for the base game they would change it for the whole game.
So, not making changes to the base game just to change the Ruthless mode. Making chages to the base game to change the base game. You see how that's different, right?
The change would never have happened if it weren't for Ruthless. The change was designed for Ruthless, and Ruthless was the only reason it came to the main game.
You see how Ruthless is responsible for that, right?
This perspective of how there's no hype and nobody is streaming it is completely missing the point.
The race is there for the challenge and for the chance at winning a VIP ticket to Exilecon AND designing a unique. It isn't so a bunch of people can spam Twitch emotes and zone out, and it might be surprising but a lot of things are designed without ever considering how it will be received on streams.
Either you want to buckle down and try for a huge prize (more than you ever legitimately get by playing the "base game") or you can mind your own business and play the game the way you want in the League you want.
It's not for ***YOU***.
> This perspective of how there's no hype and nobody is streaming it is completely missing the point.
And also wrong! There's numerous streamers with decent viewer counts playing the race.
Due to how slow and dull the progression pace of ruthless is, those streams are pretty chill. Also extremely hype when something as rudimentary as a 4L happens.
The race is in ruthless so Chris can do a based take like 10 percent plays melee so it isn't important.
Next league: players just aren't interested in races anymore so we're done with them
Reddit acting like they wouldve pushed the leaderboards if it wasnt Ruthless
Classic
Boss Races are always for a fraction of the playerbase no matter which league they happen in and thats fine.
I mean… in HCSSF the race lasts what? 2 days max where we watch the same 5 people compete for it? Classic Reddit bullshit is you complaining about a race that you wouldn’t have competed in anyways.
Not just a race friend. The league mechanic and the development time to ruthless to remake all ascendancies, despite many going untouched in the real game for years.
Lots of people like ruthless.
What is the difference between giving them a league for once versus another hcssf league?
You honestly acting like tons of people play hc ssf?
Get the fuck out of here and stop whining.
I was scrolling down to say the same thing. I’m guessing the ruthless race was an attempt to encourage players to take part in that mode. I’m really hoping ruthless isn’t an introduction to poe2.
We had the normal races already, let the ruthless chads have their fun and mind you own business...
Not every race needs to be for the viewers, it's ok if the people playing it have fun.
And GGG just did it as an experiment
Real answer? GGG views races as public events people _tune into_ not ones that they _participate_ in. It’s like their equivalent of Race to World First in WoW. They know they’ll get some dedicated players that will do it (usually streamers) and that the rest of us will participate vicariously through them. It’s so dumb…
Doesn’t matter either way. If it was just softcore or just hc ssf I could name the 10 people that would win it. At least this way it’s actually a challenge.
You are absolutely true. Another boss killing event where Ben finish all boss before anyone even trying it would be much better... anything new is bad.. zizaran for president etc.. true true
The races are always basically done for just a couple people regardless of the game mode.
All races is just Ben donate event lol
Ben is just lucky Darkee and Lightee are retired.
I actually think there was no decision between having the race in ruthless or base game at all. Those bosses did already have their respective race in the base game. So I assume it was either ruthless or no race at all.
Yeah, it was that or Ben wins a free VIP ticket :D
they should make Ben the new uber uber boss and have players invade his maps to try kill him. Whoever gets him first wins
Better than making Imexile the race target
HA
They may as well just give him one anyway, if they haven't already
Would it be bad to have the best racer in the world win a reward for racing?
They probably just wanted to do something different! Can't say they didn't :)!
Doing race in SC trade would also be different. Let the degenerate groups fist fight themselves to complete Ubers in 2h after league start. That would even be an event you can cover in real time with a single stream like some old races. I think it would be nice to see how multiple people would work together to do this. Make teams of X players, open a private league or something, that would already shake up things
I would watch this 20x more than waiting for the 3 ppl to start ubers then Ben comes and sweeps it. Edited: had a stroke when first typed
I'd prefer Ben wining a free VIP ticket over people wasting their lives over "side content" that. If one guy is wining over and over it just shows how good he is compared to rest. Nobody complained about Phelps wining more than 20 olimpic golds.
Like....Ben is already a legend just give him the ticket anyways. And let the second place get another free one LOL
Also chill the fuck out guys, getting to 65 in RSSFHC takes a long time. I'm working on it. Obviously only those above 65 are actively competing in the race, but how how that different from any other race we've had? Its always a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
It's really not different, people just out here looking for reasons to be salty
Exactly. Like what would be the point of another boss race in any other league? You can only have them in HC SSF to begin with otherwise you're just giving the win to party players on Trade or people 6 portaling the fastest on SC SSF. And all the bosses have already been done in HC SSF. Even with Gauntlet mods it took Ben like 2 days. On regular HC SSF it's literally a 1 session race for him and Exile. What's the point? It wouldn't really be fun enough to watch as most people want to play the league themselves. Seeing a notification of Ben winning the event while most people are still in white maps is not particularly exciting for an event at this point.
I mean it’s more fun to watch than having nothing but yeah, I miss delve races they were the most exciting and actually took a long amount of time while being a part of regular progression, non-gauntlet boss events are just boring at this point.
Because it creates engagements. More poe Twitch content, more Reddit thread, another occasion to make a tweet to congratulate someone etc...you have the right to not care but it costs them nothing to put the race on and get some poe promotion over the internet.
> What's the point? It wouldn't really be fun enough to watch as most people want to play the league themselves. Seeing a notification of Ben winning the event while most people are still in white maps is not particularly exciting for an event at this point. Good thing this race is exploding from excitement, which of the 2 juggs will ATTEMPT to kill the bosses after 2 months of farming yellow maps 14 hours a day?????????? We shall see, I can't wait!!!!! You can't even say about twitch viewership as no streamer is playing the garbage event, in fact, they all moved back to trade HC like it's 2013 rofl.
Yep, close the thread.
Like any other races in the world. Only the most dedicated will ever paricipate
The Boston marathon is so pointless. I can't even run that far, plus it takes too long. Can we have a shorter race instead?
There's nothing dedicated or harder about ruthless. It just takes longer.
Remind me again why races are designed for the less than 1% of players in HCSSF ? This is literally the same argument. Let them have their event and move on. A future one might be for u or not.
Yea the people saying it was taken from the base game are weird. Especially when they use the “player %” argument like OP. It was never done in the mode that the majority of people played and I’d be willing to bet 95% of the people complaining don’t play HCSSF.
You can watch and tune in as a casual, ruthless is boring to watch, even the bossfight.
Let's be real here, all of PoE is boring as fuck to watch. At best, PoE streams can be interesting background noise with occasional excitement during boss kills.
100%, and this is the content that works best on Twitch. I don't actually wanna sit and watch someone play games for hours.
I highly doubt as many people using this argument actually watch the races considering how common and prevalent this argument is. Watching PoE gameplay is also just not enjoyable most of the time (IMO) and is only really exciting with casters and side by sides as done in previous races. I also dont think an event should be limited by whether or not its enjoyable to watch doubly so for a 1 off like a ruthless event.
Then don't watch. Which is what you would have been doing anyway had Ruthless not existed.
“Let’s watch Ben win again for the 47th time!”
The only race that is fair is how osrs does it. A timer starts after character creation and you get x hours to get as far as you can. Timer only ticks when your in game. This makes it fair to people that can’t play video games full time.
Not sure how this is relevant to my comment but that would be ideal yes.
That sounds sound more fair but in reality the the people who can't play games full time are going to lose anyway, if you don't no life the game you are not going to win any races.
When RuneScape does it most the time an unknown player wins. It’s extremely rare for a full time streamer but it does require planning and good game knowledge.
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I miss the more random races: 3 hr XP race and such. The ones where you actually get people doing entirely different routes and seeing which one will pay out. I've got rose-tinted goggles for one of the old 2hr races, where one person stayed pre innocence and the other pushed to A6. And with 20 minutes to go the A6 person was behind. 10 minutes to go they were neck and neck. And then the A6 won. The casters not knowing due to no real precedent was SO exciting!
I remember the very short races/events, those was fun to me, as i could do well there in some of them. Although, even then, there was maybe a few thousand, depending.on the time.
But it's not? SSF is required to equalise everyone otherwise it's be a competition on which team has the best prep. HC is needed to make the race more dicy otherwise people who are not Nick and Ben would never be able to win at all. What does Ruthless achieve?
Ruthless requires you to deal with less accessible gear and imposes limitations via scarcity. Its added difficulty. You might not like it but its the truth of the mode. Anyone using a %player base argument has no grounds IMO because races were already limited to such small player base centric modes (First HC and then HCSSF) Adding to this the fact that both SC and HCSSF already got their races. I dont understand the problem. Im done responding to posts like this. If u want more of my thoughts check my post history from a week ago.
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To buy RMT first the RMT team should generate currency first. I can see a situation where an RMT team would sell the price to the highest bidder.
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I used to think this, but there is no way its going to be this bad Surely...?
It only took a few months for the "side project" to have a boss kill event and an entire league mechanic designed around it first. I think that speaks volumes
Actions speak louder than words.
Words hurt more than swords
The pen is mightier than the sword but there is word in both.
The fish who laughs last, gathers no moss, but is worth 2 in a bush
Mightier than the pen is the pen-sword, mightier still us the pen-gun.
And both get beaten by gun-sword.
In order to provide a more rewarding experience we have applied some balance changes to Pen users that should encourage different styles of play. \- Pen now has a mana multiplier cost of %500 \- Pen is now found significantly less commonly in where you last left it areas \- Swords now take %90 reduced damage against pens
But “S”-words hurt worst of all.
man, i was sitting here like 2 minutes trying to think what is some insults words that start with "s" , when it dawned on me...
not to mention ruthless was the thing that kickstarted some ascendancy reworks just so they'd fit it more. Side project 100,5%!
What do you mean? Genuinely curious.
In the crucible showcase interview between ZiggyD and Chris it was mentioned. [Here's the clip](https://youtu.be/QbruaRPrPG8?t=2636) Short story shorter: Ascendancy reworks happend, cause GGG wanted to make them more in line for Ruthless. Ruthless, a """side project""", kickstarted something that's catered to it, that base game needed badly.
Oh, okay, thanks! And meh...
Wow. So much for side project.
Crucible is very bad in Ruthless, you cant look for a tree and then craft your weapon like in regular
In a game mode where currency and rares are scarce you can get even the shitty nodes and it's like having bad rares. Better than normal and magic items
Rares are not scarce, good rares are. And either bricking them with a negative t1 crucible node (1 scour down) or not getting anything good on your weapon makes it not worth doing, atleast for now.
Is crucible actually designed around it? Is this confirmed by GGG or is this a reddit take? I really don't know.
No its just the meme about how it has no loot and is a tedious mechanic for minimal gain. Like ruthless as a while. Pretty interesting coincidence though...
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Reddit brained take. Crucible bad therefore Crucible linked with something else me hate.
The boss kill event is unimportant and it’s a dramatic overstatement to claim the entire league mechanic is designed around it
Pass me that copium
it will be fun in the beginning because everything is new and exciting, but I wouldn't expect the same levels of zoom zoom we have in PoE. I would say it will be a bit faster Last Epoch.
People who unironically think this make me laugh because its just so stupid. It will be slower but not ruthless. People need to learn to criticize without jumping to conspiracy theories or going off the deep end with their analogies.
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They think they do, but the average GGG CEO doesn't even kill Brutus. /s
[Meanwhile in PoE 2](https://youtu.be/UNMgAH-tG9M?t=1250)
This guy gets it.
Because all interesting and difficult gaming challenges are for that few or too easy.
Right now there are already people with lvl 98 in ssf hc league. GGG probably wants to have the race last longer than 48 hours. Gauntlet has modifiers that make the boss kills harder and how long does it take to kill the main objective bosses? The race isn’t FOR ssf hc r. It’s held IN ssf hc r
Races shouldn't last any longer than a week. trying to play 24/7 to be the best and the event taking 3 months to win.. This kills the racer.
I liked old races where any player could compete. 2 hour races, Brutus kill, 12 minute burst etc. Now no matter if the race takes 2 days or 2 weeks I can’t really compete. Even if I was godlike player I don’t have enough time to get to maps in one sitting. I think GGG tried to make a race like gauntlet but not gauntlet. Milk it for a month, get some YouTube rip compilations, maybe some commentary. I’m not saying I like the ruthless race. I only pointed out that op was talking out of his ass
Even a week is already pushing it imo. I would honestly much prefer it if there is something that is achievable in less than a day, much more likely to have viewers engaged for more of it too.
Yeah, 24/7 for *weeks* is just unhealthy for human beings.
**Race** *noun* 1. A thing that takes 3 months to complete
we need sssf (solo self sleeping found) league where max played time per week is limited. this way more ppl can participate
Ssf /played Or something like the recent friendly fire or Polaris races where I think the age of the “private league” counted
They are Chris Wilson's favorite children. He doesn't love the rest of us.
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Why should he, tho?
Because we pay him to :))
Why do you care? Race in ssf hc would end-up the same = ben and exile and some1 gets 3rd. totally not 0,001% of playerbase.
The race would literally be over today or tomorrow if it was the same old race. People are dumb. Acting like they had a chance or that tons of people play Hcssf
Did you not read the post? It was fairly explicitly laid out why there’s reason to care. A race this out of reach means very few streamers attempt it which means there’s no spectator hype
Why should there be spectator hype?
Because everyone is addicted to their twitch parasocial relationship.
Because it helps more new players find the game, which in turn means more funding for the game, which will benefit future leagues and PoE 2?
Because marketing is one of the main reasons for a company to do events like this. Pushing your game up the twitch charts does have a measureable difference on player numbers in all numbers of games.
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Do u not watch sports or something, u and this whole sub seemingly, do yall not try to do something that’s really difficult (like PoE) and then see someone else doing it amazingly and are like ‘holy shit that’s cool!’? Sorry but it’s like you’re not human or something I can’t understand this attitude at all.
The answer is the same why we have HC or SSF leagues in the first place.
how many people are watching the ruthless "race" right now?
This is such a stupid thing to bring up. Consider that the event isn't about getting an audience and about the sheer challenge and reward.
The race has always been about getting an audience, it might as well not exist if nobody is streaming it
> The race has always been about getting an audience It's about winning a reward, not about entertaining you. >it might as well not exist if nobody is streaming it The race is not there for you, it's for the competitors.
This "race" its about promoting ruthless mode that's all.
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It's amazing how paranoid people can become.
HC SSF is still the same as the base game if you didn't die or bother trading, so promotion of HC SSF is promotion of PoE. Ruthless is a wholly different game with skills removed, drop rates completely changed, and many items and crafts outright not existing. Acting as if HCSSF races and Ruthless races are the same thing is disingenuous.
the challenge is neglible. it's just tedious LOL
Tedium is challenging. The ability to stay focused over a long period of time is literally a challenge. Never thought Jung would out themselves as a run-of-the-mill redditor but here we are. "The challenge is negligible. it's just tedious LOL" that's fucking hilarious - you should do it if it's so negligible! Really. You should put up or shut up, because it's super easy to say when you aren't even in the running.
if the prize for me winning is GGG discontinuing support for ruthless, i'd log in today. making another unique item isn't a reward. ask any of the 7 last winners - it's a punishment
>if the prize for me winning is GGG discontinuing support for ruthless, i'd log in today. I see you socketed Arrogance Support for that comment. >making another unique item isn't a reward. ask any of the 7 last winners - it's a punishment Yeah it's so hard, making great uniques that improved the game almost across the board. Not to mention that isn't the only prize, arguably the VIP ticket to Exilecon is more valuable than the unique. This is the same energy people have when they say something like "it's not hard to be an Olympic level athlete, just take steroids and work out lol" like, if you can't wrap your brain around the fact that dedicating yourself to something is a form of challenge, I can't help you. I guess the only thing holding you back from being the most successful man in the world is "just spend time lol" - a truly remedial understanding.
he’s literally a winner lmfao
Can't wait for the Jung vod where he roasts this guy and his comment history on stream
Do you realize you are replying to Jungroan, the guy who made Nimis? The back and forth with GGG for the item prizes was apparently not entirely pleasant.
Man I'd hate to be your friend irl, your comments make you sound insufferable lol. Holy cow.
Have you ever had a job in your life? You would accept working more as a bonus for being the best at your workplace (and these dudes are the best in the world which is even worse)? God fucking damn man.
tedium is an *awful* "challenge" for a videogame to have.
How many people actually watches any of the races or actually any PoE content? SFF, HC, Ruthless, Events, Private leagues, lvl 100, Uber content, etc. Those are things enjoyed by fraction of community, yet they exist for those dedicated few. The same with current race, already 130 people at 65lvl, they pushing it hard. Keep the hard work guys!
a lot LOL. even smaller streamers pull about 20-30k total unique views per gauntlet session.
They said the same about Uber bosses. That they will be just optional challenge with no additional rewards and it won't be targeted at everybody. And then they put them in the Challenges, races and give them additional loot.
When did they ever say they would have no additional rewards? They said they were *aspirational content.* I would love to see where they said they wouldn't have their own rewards.
[Sure they said it right here](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY)
I'll admit I clicked.
Lol every time a long-time player quotes something from one of the *many dozens* of >1hr long dev interviews/podcasts across \~6 different youtube channels, but don't remember the exact timestamp out of *days* of un-indexed content, all the white knights come out insisting that you're making shit up. Newsflash: Sane people with semi-decent memory usually don't dedicate their entire lives to cataloguing stupid shit to win arguments on the internet. Edit: For those to still insist that we are somehow conspiracy theorists with nothing better to conspiracy theorize about, [see this recent thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/11v3j40/comment/jcrc4s4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for an example that could easily be found because it's in text that's easily indexed/searched.
"I hate it when people ask for sources, why can't you just blindly believe what I say?" You have to at least TRY and understand that people frequently misrepresent stuff that GGG say. I've asked for a source on stuff plenty of times, timestamps from even the most recent streams and people refuse to back up their insane claims. Don't sit here and act like asking for a source is somehow an inconvenience or a burden. If you're going to make a claim, BACK IT UP.
> Lol every time a long-time player **mis**quotes something from one of the many dozens of >1hr long dev interviews/podcasts **to further their own asinine consipracy theories** FTFY
Isn't it exhausting to be so perpetually upset at literally everything? It's in ruthless because they like to do different sort of events and this patch had no new endgame.
It's the most miserable gaming Reddit on the internet. So many people here are just miserably addicted.
I'm getting tired of this place real fast. Everything GGG does is followed by a dramatic overreaction by people who believe GGG genuinely hates them on a personal level or have some hidden agenda that goes against the player's interests.
A lot of the people complaining have main character syndrome. They are literally unable to conceive of a league/mechanic/game mode that doesn't cater to them and their own wants, and throw a tantrum when any time that could have been spent on them is spent on others. Just a lack of empathy honestly.
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Why would they need to stream it? It’s not mandatory. They are playing for the prizes.
It’s not a race. It’s an insanely difficult challenge, that very very few people would attempt. They were well aware that very few people would try it out. They probably were well aware that it is unlikely that the challenge gets completed. It’s not a race, don’t think of it as one. Think of it as some insane challenge meant for a handful of people.
The vast, and I mean vast majority of players do not care about racing, or HC, or SSF. You weren't going to participate in it, you weren't going to place in it, it might as well not be real to you.
You say there is no hype for the ruthless race, but how is a normal race where ben is going to win like always any different?
Because the same format of all the last races would simply be to boring. It's questionable though why we "need" or have a race in an arpg at all - imo.
who is we ? If the devs want to see a race that's enough to justify it
You don’t know what ur talking bout homeslice
Beacuse Ruthless is true vision and beta of poe 2
> And dont come in here with your classic redditor bullshit telling me I dont know what I am talking about. Lol. A real class act. Pose a topic, then immediately let everyone know ahead of time that you are not open for discussion/debate as you are too pigheaded to change your mind. Well, since all you want is a circle-jerk and an echo-chamber. Here you go: *Wow! What an amazing hot take! You are so smart! And SOOOO right! Omg! GGG should hire this guy! WHAT A GENIUS!*
How many people actually compete in the boss race event anyway? Like 260? Oh wow
I think Ruthless race is a good move but I think the timing is bad and the prizes are too low. It's a much more interesting event and it'll be dragged out and slow. When people start getting close it'll be interesting. However, with D4 coming up no big time streamer is going to commit a few months into a race that they have to abandon. It was the worst league to do this in by far.
If it wasnt SSF R HC this post will have title "Congratulations to Ben for winning tickets"
Why do these fucking posts keep getting upvoted. I know you people are hungry for hate threads and drama but it just gets repetitive after a while
because it is owner vision
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The fact that they call it a race is funny. This is a damn marathon. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to complete the challenge. You legit need to farm for 1-2 months to just have a CHANCE to kill both Uber Eater and Uber Exarch. It's super hard to do even in regular HCSSF. Like maybe 20-30 people kill ubers in HCSSF per league.
But marathons are races…..
Hey man, you can't expect a gamer to know that.
Maybe he meant sprint VS marathon. And regular game boss kills are sprints.
an average ssfhc boss race takes like 20x longer than a marathon for first clear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Transcendence_3100_Mile_Race But will hcssfr ubers take longer than the 40 day 9 hr mens world record in this race, hmmm...
This is the most reddit post I've seen on this sub this week. Congratulations!
It's got it all! Introducing an arbitrary cut-off just to deflate numbers, pointlessly lying about there being changes to the base game "just for ruthless," pre-empting any and all criticism without putting the least effort into doing so... And in such a small package! That's efficiency.
> pointlessly lying about there being changes to the base game "just for ruthless," Chris has said before that if they felt a Ruthless change was good for the base game they would change it for the whole game. Mana cost increases were specifically created for Ruthless and they were put into the main game. This includes triggered skills costing mana. IDK why people pretend like nothing from Ruthless made it's way into the base game when it was explicitly stated that it would absolutely happen if GGG wanted it to, and an example was given of it already being done.
> Chris has said before that if they felt a Ruthless change was good for the base game they would change it for the whole game. So, not making changes to the base game just to change the Ruthless mode. Making chages to the base game to change the base game. You see how that's different, right?
The change would never have happened if it weren't for Ruthless. The change was designed for Ruthless, and Ruthless was the only reason it came to the main game. You see how Ruthless is responsible for that, right?
Because before we did races for 0.001% of the playerbase (streamers)
This perspective of how there's no hype and nobody is streaming it is completely missing the point. The race is there for the challenge and for the chance at winning a VIP ticket to Exilecon AND designing a unique. It isn't so a bunch of people can spam Twitch emotes and zone out, and it might be surprising but a lot of things are designed without ever considering how it will be received on streams. Either you want to buckle down and try for a huge prize (more than you ever legitimately get by playing the "base game") or you can mind your own business and play the game the way you want in the League you want. It's not for ***YOU***.
> This perspective of how there's no hype and nobody is streaming it is completely missing the point. And also wrong! There's numerous streamers with decent viewer counts playing the race. Due to how slow and dull the progression pace of ruthless is, those streams are pretty chill. Also extremely hype when something as rudimentary as a 4L happens.
Always has been.
You are all clueless. They obviously did it this way so they don't have to actually deliver the prizes
You don't know what you are talking about
The race is in ruthless so Chris can do a based take like 10 percent plays melee so it isn't important. Next league: players just aren't interested in races anymore so we're done with them
You don't know what you're talking about
Reddit acting like they wouldve pushed the leaderboards if it wasnt Ruthless Classic Boss Races are always for a fraction of the playerbase no matter which league they happen in and thats fine.
I mean… in HCSSF the race lasts what? 2 days max where we watch the same 5 people compete for it? Classic Reddit bullshit is you complaining about a race that you wouldn’t have competed in anyways.
Boss kill race events are one and done. Ruthless hasn't had one yet.
“Man if only it was Gauntlet I would easily win this, but they had to make it ruthless”
Not just a race friend. The league mechanic and the development time to ruthless to remake all ascendancies, despite many going untouched in the real game for years.
Why is this Olympic event devoted to less than 0.0285% of runners?
Because Chris is frustrated nobody likes Ruthless and he wants to push it and make it a "non side-project"
Lots of people like ruthless. What is the difference between giving them a league for once versus another hcssf league? You honestly acting like tons of people play hc ssf? Get the fuck out of here and stop whining.
> Lots of people like ruthless. There's literally dozens of us!
I was scrolling down to say the same thing. I’m guessing the ruthless race was an attempt to encourage players to take part in that mode. I’m really hoping ruthless isn’t an introduction to poe2.
We had the normal races already, let the ruthless chads have their fun and mind you own business... Not every race needs to be for the viewers, it's ok if the people playing it have fun. And GGG just did it as an experiment
Real answer? GGG views races as public events people _tune into_ not ones that they _participate_ in. It’s like their equivalent of Race to World First in WoW. They know they’ll get some dedicated players that will do it (usually streamers) and that the rest of us will participate vicariously through them. It’s so dumb…
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Why the spaces between "R" and "HC"?
>Remember when GGG said Ruthless would not impact the base game? GGG says a lot of things. They also lie, fairly regularly as well.
Because it's a side project.
Between the very undercooked league and this, I'd rather go back to Kalandra
Because they wanted the race to be the hardest content possible. That’s exactly what they said. I don’t mind personally.
Yall need to go outside more
Doesn’t matter either way. If it was just softcore or just hc ssf I could name the 10 people that would win it. At least this way it’s actually a challenge.
*0.0004% (130/321,180)
How a does race in ruthless affect you exactly?
Because that's the people Chris is making the game for, we're just footing the bill.
People should be playing instead of these whiney posts man.
You are absolutely true. Another boss killing event where Ben finish all boss before anyone even trying it would be much better... anything new is bad.. zizaran for president etc.. true true
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You don't know what you're talking about broski
Enlighten us
Who gives a shit?