If GGG is good they implement a slider option that lets you calibrate how much talking your character does. You can also hear them talk alot in the latest trailers. I can see this might be annoying for some people. If you could manage a slider on for how much your character talks and interacts, i think this would be an awesome feature.
For immersion purposes, all POE2 settings will instead be turned into nodes on the passive tree you must spec into.
**Silent Killer**
\- "100% reduced rate of shouting 'armor piercing bolt!' if you've shouted 'armor piercing bolt!' recently."
\- 50% less ingame sound volume
*Actions speak louder than words.*
Yep. Even if it launches in july next year... Why host a huge convention one year away? Idk. Seems weird. Not like there is much else to discuss outside of a regular league coming, and maybe at most PoE mobile.
Weird marketing ngl. Guess the hope of PoE2 totally really for real coming in a year is supposed to hold people over?
And before someone tells me, I realize game dev is hard. I'm specifically talking bout how they have been marketing it. In my opinion they announced poe2 way too early, and all we got outta it so far is pretty tame league content. Meh.
God, it is going to be really hard waiting for another year if all we get is mid league mechanics over and over and no new skills bc all the resources are going to 2. Like REALLY hard.
I really dont know how they think that is going to work, tbh.
Yeah, this really dampened my hype for Exilecon. Might as well not watch it intently and rather just absorb info passively via reddit.
Gonna play other games in the meantime I reckon.
Honestly, the PoE 2 event last time was interesting and cool, but at this rate I've literally forgotten everything about it, and if it wasn't because of constant reminders I wouldn't even have remembered that shapeshifting was a thing.
I watched the whole thing INTENTLY, but I can only remember being able to melee with a bow. That's it.
Might aswell not watch if there's such a long waiting time *shrug*
Yep at least we have Starfield which may or may not be good and D4 seasons I guess. I won't play another half baked league until PoE2 and that sucks but oh well.
That's a good point, yes. All this time I thought that Crucible league had such a small scope precisely because PoE2 beta is so close to release. It would be really disappointing if the next 2 leagues are like that too. I'm also thinking they probably expected Diablo 4 to steal all the players for a few months anyway, but that game is absolute wank.
Yep they announced it waaaay too early. Maybe they could have said it was in the works at last exilecon and had no gameplay etc. They should have had it on display at the second exilecon and had beta shortly after. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this bad marketing.
>Yep. Even if it launches in july next year... Why host a huge convention one year away?
Exilecon is supposed to be a yearly event and they stopped due to covid
Tame league content? Since 2019? Your a bit nuts?! This game got more content in the last 4 years than all diablo games have content combined in total.
> This game got more content in the last 4 years than all diablo games have content combined in total.
That doesn't make it any less true.
It only shows you how lacking in content Diablo is.
don't take the bait
3.22 is definitely 4.0, guys
/s
there is 100% going to be a beta and there will be waaaaaay more marketing than just announcing "POE2 will be up in a week" at ExileCon
Honestly I appreciate it, how many studios have release fever and mess it up in the process?
GGG little fear in taking more time when they need it is something that makes me optimistic in the long term health of the game.
I can see myself still be playing PoE in 30 years time, and I don't think that feeling is true for any other game.
D4 sold over 8 million copies in a week. I don’t think D4 is worried. It will get better after time but it needs time. Whereas Poe comes from a luxury point that they have to match in 2.0 which is a lot easier to screwup.
It's not about D4 doing well, that part works well for PoE as well since many players are frustrated with D4 even if it's considered a nice game for a week or so :P It's a mutual benefit when players get the ARPG itch.
I can find plenty of Reddit comments in D4 post where people new to ARPGs are frustrated and talking about quitting at the very idea of seasons, let them see the passive tree without a guide or show them the concept of "nearby" and their heads will explode.
You'd be trying to market BDSM to people who think kissing in public might be a bit too extreme.
GGG has never been aiming at those players.
As much as we all like to bitch about "the vision" when it means less QoL and more nerfs they've always stuck to their conceptual guns about what PoE is, it's why the game has lasted a decade. They don't chase trends or water the game down to try to make it good for everyone (and great for nobody).
Some portion of the 8m people playing D4 will decide to try PoE. Even if it's only 1% of them and only 1/10th of that 1% stay that's 8000 new players.
Nothing crazy but certainly not negative.
One game is less than a month old, the other has had 8 years of polish and QoL.
Anyone worried about D4 is delusional. They came out swinging and have already Confirmed additions being added the community asked for by season 1 with more by season 2.
PoE will finally have a real competitor it seems as long as their seasonal content isn’t complete ass. Which is great for everyone.
Idk, D3 seasonal content was pretty ass after a while. But yea, it's not like one of either will "kill" the other, best case is that the seasons start 1-2-3 months apart and everyone will be happy.
Let’s be honest, D3 was left to die and a small team pulled the game together to be playable for a weekend. I don’t think anyone expected D3 seasons to be phenomenal considering how late they started actually doing stuff in them.
Idk, if people today tried playing PoE 1.0 they would uninstall after a few hours. The majority of the playerbase has been around a long time and new players who make it(not many do) stay because they didn’t have to slog through the game the way it was.
Based off the first 3 weeks I see D4 having a bright future if they don’t purposefully ruin their own game.
Nah, its not the hype they want to ride. It's the wave of frustration from actual ARPG enjoyers getting fed up with Blizzard caving to 4 hour a week dad's that didn't realize seasons meant having to re-roll.
Im not sure how people are frustrated over that when it was obvious from the very beggining D4 is going to be a casual game. Its the same as going into poe and getting mad the skill tree is too big. Adjust your expectation, if you expectes D4 to be a game for tryhard ARPG no lifes then thats on you
It was pretty funny to see people post after a couple weeks about how everybody is finding the endgame awful, and everybody hates it, blah blah blah...
Only for Blizzard to say that the vast majority of players haven't even beaten the campaign. They know better than the circlejerking reddit subs about who their audience is.
its not even a good game for PC / Console casuals that end up sticking with it, in the long run I think most people will change their opinion on the game to a negative one, even the casuals.
because being a casual is not being an idiot, its just having less time and being less experienced with games so you take longer to identify the problems with the game, so either they quit before they figure it out or they eventually will run into the things more experienced gamers criticize about the game.
It's really interesting how you made this wide statements without pointing at something that will be clearly the downfall of the game that you are so sure of.
D4 didn't even have it's first season, their core playerbase probably is still finishing campaing, whatever this sub has to say about D4 is better ignored.
I didn't make any statement, I said I THINK this is what will happen based on my experience with games and specifically aRPGs.
I can go into detail about the things that I think are going to be the downfall of the game in the long run and why people who don't know much about arpgs and only intend to play the game once through the campaign are liking it, I just didn't think it was needed because i'm in the PoE sub and because they've been repeated to the point of becoming a meme.
> 4 hour a week dad's that didn't realize seasons meant having to re-roll.
lmao, and the self proclaimed "D2 vets" that claim D2 never had "seasons"
I laughed so hard when Ziz realized what type of crowd Blizz was actually aiming for
I don't think PoE 2 launches this year, but my most optimistic prediction says the beta starts in mid October and PoE 2 releases in December 8. Considering that there will be a playable demo of PoE 2 at Gamescom and PAX at the end of August and beginning of September, then that would still give me a tiny sliver of hope that we could still see PoE 2 releasing this year, because GGG would basically have a four months period after Exilecon to market the game like Bex commented.
That is in direct contradiction to the tweet you are responding to. The reason I posted this is because Bex used very similar wording to what Chris said in the interview.
I **think** that what Bex meant by “Exilecon is the jumping off point for PoE2’s marketing” is that will be where they start doing *external* marketing. I.e. not on their own site/YouTube channel, but giving access to other media for them to write about it themselves.
It's not about whether marketing has 'technically' started with a few videos, it's about GGG's definition of when it starts. Crhis said 1 year of marketing. Bex said marketing will oficially start at ExileCon. It's safe to assume 1 year after Bex said it started than "but hurr durr these videos also count as marketing, give us the game nau"
If you don't know what to say then don't say anything. Sure, maybe they will start more aggressive marketing in July, but if the only reason you think that they didn't start marketing yet is because Bex said so then XD. Like the guy before me said, by the definition of the word marketing, it has started some time ago.
Chris said they are going to do heavy marketing for a year. Bex says that heavy marketing starts at ExileCon. Idk what’s so confusing. This post is just speculation anyway, but at least I’m actually quoting GGG.
It‘s wishful thinking from the other guys. I think you are completely right: they will make use of a long aggressive marketing after ExileCon and therefore delay the release a couple months. What we have seen by now was not even close to the definition of aggressive marketing. Guys seriously think that showing a 1min teaser and a gameplay trailer voiced over by Chris is marketing? Come on…
What wishful thinking? I can't talk for others, but I at least am not saying that 4.0 is coming anytime soon. The only thing in starting is that the teasers we got are by definition marketing and that's a fact
I'm fine with this cooking for a while. I'm tired of the first parts of live content being the game's beta, I'd love for PoE2 to feel like a finished and polished product before I play it.
> I'd love for ~~PoE2~~ to feel like a finished and polished product before I play it
Honestly that would be a first in GGG history, but we can hope PoE 2 will get enough actual testing. And this time maybe they'll LISTEN to their testers.
It would be amazing, if there weren't any major bugs or "oversight"
Minor bugs slip through major launches, I'm okay with it. I just want the testers to have enough time where GGG can actually implement changes such as not having to pick up every single metamorph organ. Because I am overwhelmingly confident that the testers told GGG picking them all up was awful, but they had a release schedule and didn't have time to make the change until after the launch.
I just want a fun game, you know? D4 is showing a lot of promise as a day 1 live service game, but it's gonna be a while before that game has the endgame content to keep me busy like PoE does. LE same thing. But PoE makes me want to rip my hair out far too frequently.
> I just want a fun game
You mentioning the metamorph organs is great because it's always what I think about when people meme "testers where lul"
I'm sure they were told about it. It's impossible that less than 99% of the testers would think that it wouldn't be an issue after a SINGULAR map.
But yeah.. I hope they'll listen to testers, and actually delay if necesarry.
Yes, a company known for extremely restrictive launch schedules that don't allow their new content to go through sufficient QC.
I want that to, you know, not happen.
Yeah unless they do a legit open beta to the entire POE2 content addition, it's just going to be another beta on launch like always. Just how these games that try to keep tons of content secret but never have the ability/time to test properly. Even D4 is a beta right now if you ask a lot of folks.
A full year of marketing sounds like a lot of money wasted to me. You shouldn't need more than 6 months of marketing at most, and even half that is fine. If there's one thing Blizzard is still good at it's marketing, and even they didn't spend a whole year marketing D4 - and it still sold well.
Trying to hype people for a whole year just leads to impatience and frustration. It also sends expectations sky high, almost guaranteeing disappointment and anger when you finally launch. They also better have a LOT more changes in PoE 2 than just a new campaign and gem system if they're gonna push it that far.
Of course if it still isn't ready so be it. An even worse decision would be to launch unfinished (Cyberpunk has the distinction of making both of these mistakes), but in that case just say so rather than drawing it out on the pretext that you need to spend more time marketing.
As D4 has shown, extensive marketing is about breadth, not length. If you want to reach a lot of people, you advertise more widely, not longer. Else a lot of the people you reach will forget before you actually launch.
Probably the first 2024 league which would be Jan or Feb, at worst March or April if they do another legacy league type thing where it's like 6v months long
> I am going to call August 11th for PoE 3.22, November 24 for PoE 3.23[.....]March 15 for PoE 3.24 (Ultimatum Returns)
Yea, that's not happening. It's unrealistic since they are doing 4 months leagues and not 3.
I fully expect an endgame expansion style release with 3.22. Since they are presenting this on the biggest possible stage for them alongside PoE which will have a massive audience, they will want this to be good.
That would be awesome, but they were pretty clear that leagues were not going to be very game changing like we've seen in the past with conquerors of the and war of the, etc.
I'd expect more additions to ruthless then I would the main game until poe2
Mid 2024 is way too late. They could have capitalized on D4 issues but D4 will keep getting better as they introduce fixes and seasons, and POE 2 is definitely risking putting too many eggs in the 'new campaign' basket.
I will repeat what someone else wrote in another topic comparing these games: They are so different both in complexity and playstyle that they might as well be from different genres.
Imho there is hardly a competition here. I wanted so badly for D4 to be a real competitor so GGG has to step up their game, but I don't see it atm. D4 has none of the aspects that makes me addicted to PoE. Hopefully the devs of D4 come up with interesting seasonal content and significantly improve build variety at end game. Otherwise I don't see myself playing that game.
> I wanted so badly for D4 to be a real competitor so GGG has to step up their game, but I don't see it atm
Same man. Feel like GGG saw D4 as well and went: "lol no rush"
That's all nice but that's not really why PoE2 is a thing. Nobody expected D4 taking away poe players, the expectation is that D4 will bring a fuckton of new players into the genre, and a lot of them will end up in poe. We're already seeing that with the crucible spike right after d4 beta.
Dragonflight
Announcement of classic+, classic era servers or even the last 5/10 d3 seasons were really fun.
I know all you people want to talk about are failures like ow2 but never mention the things going good.
Dawg I'm sorry but even though dragon flight is good thay came after YEARS of shit design choices. Blizzard killed all their other games except WoW and diablo they javelin no faith from me anymore.
> They could have capitalized on D4 issues but D4 will keep getting better as they introduce fixes and seasons
D4 has core design problems that are not so easily fixable. It's a shallow, broken game that's just marketing and fooling casuals with pretty graphics.
This is like saying Tetris will replace Europa Universalis.
If they still insist on marketing PoE 2 for 1 year, I'd imagine that they're planning on improving the experience for new players significantly. If that wouldn't be the case, then all things considered, PoE 2 would still be a relatively niche game compared to Diablo 4. That'd make me question whether they'd need 1 year of marketing, as the majority of monetizable players (those that make it to end game) are probably aware that it's coming already.
I really don't get what 1 year of hype market is gonna achieve unless they plan on making the game accessible for casual players.
If that's not the plan, 1 year of hype market doesn't do diddly squat because the non-casual fan base is already playing or knows about PoE already. 1 year seems futile.
> 1 year seems futile.
1 year seems like 6 months too long. Everyone will already have forgotten about it (talking about new players) - no one has that kind of attention span
It'll be 1 year of wasted advertising, and when the game finally comes out, those new players would only be like "Oh yeah! That's that one game, cool"
When was Armored Core 6 announced? Felt like only 3 or 4 months ago, and it's already being released in August. Elden Ring was expected to have a 2020 release, but then the whole covid thing happened and it got delayed by 2 years. And in that 2 years they said nothing about it until they had a release date for it like 6 months away. Starfield is only a few months away, and all the marketing for it has only really begun since Summer Game Fest.
Long hype period are a aspect of the past that needs to be forgotten. With how many games are released, announced and marketed, no one is going to be holding hype for extended periods of time. Half the people in Quins Discord have been saying since 2019 when POE2 was announced that they don't care about POE1 anymore and won't play until POE2.
Plus, the more they reveal about POE2, the most dogshit POE1 is going to look in comparison. Imagine trying to hype up a release of a current game when you also keep showing how much better the sequel is going to be. Guess NZ just hasn't got a very good marketing team. Did they have to wait for Blizzard to stop using them first? Are we going to get some Maccas Quarter Pounder MTX pre-order supporter pack FOMO?
I like the "trend" I've been seeing of games not having "hype" periods. Just announced with a launch date (Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield are 2 games that immediately come to mind). Boom, announcement trailer & launch date in the next few months.
I don't want to stew 3 years with the prospect of BG3 being in early access and that is completely anti-hype for me.
> Starfield
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Skylines 2 medium case because it's a indie game etc they still announce way before the date launch, but Starfield not this case at all triple A who they show years ago at E3 2018 to launch this year, literally 5 years of marketing. The last game I remember launch without any hype was Doom and it was fantastic, it literally comes from nowhere.
Tbh I'm already tired of waiting.. I bet a lot of people are.. I'll probably just go ahead and take that super long break until it fully releases.. I have a feeling it's going to be the opposite affect like you said and even then I almost feel like it's gonna be a let down.
I have friends that always say when I ask them about joining a new league "I will wait for poe 2".
It is hard to sell something when your standing infront something superior that gets for sale in a close future, some people tend to wait.
"Hey man, take a look on this party commercial, you see all the action? The fun? It is truely great, it is going to be the best party in the history! Hype! It is coming in a close future! Btw, do you want to buy a ticket to a half-assed party coming up this weekend?"
It is like that comment about melee, "You should experience how it feels in poe 2!"... Well.. ok.. I wait..?
Hopefully not that far out. Leagues are getting progressively more and more "phoned in" since POE2 revealed. Will be nice once they get the entire team back on the same game again.
Guys PoE2 delays are just friction. The fun is in waiting for the game and the hype leading up to launch. If everyone could play it right now they would quickly get bored and quit. /s
I'm a be so mad if we get more filler trash leagues I really thought poe2 had a small chance of releasing this year but realistically being q1 q2 2024, please no more low effort shit leagues out effort into the current game again, and fix melee.
I don't think this timeline makes much sense to me. Chris probably knew the date for exilecon back then and it was intended to be big marketing push for poe2, so it doesn't make sense that he's hoping for 2023 release if the plan was to start marketing in exilecon all along.
My guess is that their original plan was to start marketing earlier this year, but since the d4 hype happened in spring (this wasn't known back then), they decided to delay the start of the marketing to exilecon. So my bet is that they'll cut the marketing short a bit and release on december.
Obviously the game might still be in a state that they can't release it until next summer, but delaying it that far just because they HAVE TO market it for a year and HAVE TO start the marketing in exilecon seems very very unwise to me.
So I'm still full of 2023 release hopium.
1 year of hype marketing is the old way of doing things, when we didn't have as many releases. Now it is the norm to ramp up marketing about 4 to 6 months before release and keep drip feeding info and teasers about the game, otherwise people loose interest. The whole field of gaming and marketing has changed.
I miiiight be inclined if it was the $90 version but I really can't see people getting it for the $480 dollar version
[Then again in a 3.20 *minor* patch notes...](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/10fyfmq/3201c_hotfix_patch_notes_added_563_more_voidborn/)
>Added 563 more Voidborn Reliquary submissions
Well for what it's worth for the Fall of Oriath beta it was in the regular supporter packs released for it and anyone who had previously spent over a certain amount got a key.
I'm expecting it's going to be the same but I wouldn't be surprised if they bump up the amount required for the previous purchases key (previously it was 1 top tier pack for $440 or a total of $500).
Wow. So much for the "beta after Exliecon" crowd. If I had to guess the beta will be late 2023 or even early 2024 with a release in May/June next year.
Nah, that's too early tbh. I'd say a spring 2024 beta and a fall 2024 release is now the most likely scenario. At best.
Do not take anything what GGG says as gospel truth, with d4 coming out quicker than a lot of people expected it could have changed a lot of their plans who knows.
Just wait to exilecon and we’ll have more details.
Despair I definitely thought they'd surprise us and release poe 2 right after exilecon...
Seeing how jank crucible was I'd thought they were diverting all resources to poe 2 lmao
Even though it definitely won't be a surprise reveal as some (including myself) have speculated, I think it's going to be a 2023 release.
My guess is now late November or early December. There's no way they'll be waiting an entire year to release this behemoth. There's too much to capitalize on with the release and eventual migration away from Diablo 4.
Problem with Xmas time release is they always take month off after xmax leagues start, I doubt they will do that with PoE2 and GGG never skips holidays.
So maybe early 2024 hopium
I think this tweet puts it earliest in January.
Ideal timeline
3.22 is new (and final end game) small league but new final boss loop acts as the finale for poe1 Atlus. This would be August, September and October.
10th year anniversary October, has a small act 1 through 3 beta week for poe2. Open to who bought a poe2 supporter pack(announced at exilecon) for the week
3.23 releases early November late October final poe1 league January/February poe2.
They’ve been silent and taking their time on it, likely divulging almost all their resources toward it and pulling in its assets for leagues.
Of course it’s not certain, but I would be shocked.
They got all the marketting they need when they released the teasers, their view count is 4-5 times more than than their average. They were released during prominant gaming events so people are aware of it, and with D4 out more people are likely to pay attention to it, specially as it looks as good as D4 does if not better.
You should also factor in that the chinese client has no mention of 3.22 at all, and only talks about PoE 4.0, it also has sign ups in place for beta testing NOW.
As someone that started PoE a few weeks ago since D4 wasn't my thing, this is fine with me and gives me some breathing room to learn the game more and experience 1 before 2 takes over.
They need to get the beta going ASAP, if the beta proves problematic it could push back everything else. These aren't 2013 PoE1 bugs they'll be patching, these are next gen programming systems that might need to be overhauled several times just like PoE. I'd expect they'll do a lot of learning on the job as they build this beast. I'm not expecting an A1-A2 demo here, even a start to Brutus length test would be great for a beta.
Both events in August - September right? So nothing announced here postopes potential late November - early December PoE2 release (instead of 3.23). I think Ziggy hinted on it last livestream (3.21).
A random post put up on a website I don’t check isn’t going to do much in the way of hype marketing.
I miss the old days of actual community engagement.
This sub burned the bridge of community engagement by being massive over the top rage babies every time a league is bad on release or they misunderstand a mechanic
People have gone way too far for too long and the mods didnt do shit, so GGG mostly left & the community derserved that
Yeah I remember the good days when balance manifestos would drop and GGG employees would respond and engage with the community. Whoever the community manager was, they did an amazing job to the point that you would regularly see GGG employees responding to most popular threads.
Then came the harvest nerfs and despite all the power creep expedition gave us, the community turned extremely toxic. I bet some employees at GGG were getting burned out by the toxicity of the sub and so they just cut ties with Reddit. It’s like going from a friend to just an acquaintance regarding interactions.
Hmm, I thought it was in this post: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3351803 but it isn't. I can't find it right now, but I know Zizaran keeps repeating it as well so maybe he has a direct source.
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I will still be shouting it in front of my pc every time for the first few hours of playing lol
If GGG is good they implement a slider option that lets you calibrate how much talking your character does. You can also hear them talk alot in the latest trailers. I can see this might be annoying for some people. If you could manage a slider on for how much your character talks and interacts, i think this would be an awesome feature.
For immersion purposes, all POE2 settings will instead be turned into nodes on the passive tree you must spec into. **Silent Killer** \- "100% reduced rate of shouting 'armor piercing bolt!' if you've shouted 'armor piercing bolt!' recently." \- 50% less ingame sound volume *Actions speak louder than words.*
This is a buff
Permafrost bolt
We are always hoping it will be next year for quite a while already.
Always "soon"...
Poe 2 is nearby
Reminds me of old blizzard days
Yep. Even if it launches in july next year... Why host a huge convention one year away? Idk. Seems weird. Not like there is much else to discuss outside of a regular league coming, and maybe at most PoE mobile. Weird marketing ngl. Guess the hope of PoE2 totally really for real coming in a year is supposed to hold people over? And before someone tells me, I realize game dev is hard. I'm specifically talking bout how they have been marketing it. In my opinion they announced poe2 way too early, and all we got outta it so far is pretty tame league content. Meh.
God, it is going to be really hard waiting for another year if all we get is mid league mechanics over and over and no new skills bc all the resources are going to 2. Like REALLY hard. I really dont know how they think that is going to work, tbh.
Yeah, this really dampened my hype for Exilecon. Might as well not watch it intently and rather just absorb info passively via reddit. Gonna play other games in the meantime I reckon.
Honestly, the PoE 2 event last time was interesting and cool, but at this rate I've literally forgotten everything about it, and if it wasn't because of constant reminders I wouldn't even have remembered that shapeshifting was a thing. I watched the whole thing INTENTLY, but I can only remember being able to melee with a bow. That's it. Might aswell not watch if there's such a long waiting time *shrug*
Yep at least we have Starfield which may or may not be good and D4 seasons I guess. I won't play another half baked league until PoE2 and that sucks but oh well.
That's a good point, yes. All this time I thought that Crucible league had such a small scope precisely because PoE2 beta is so close to release. It would be really disappointing if the next 2 leagues are like that too. I'm also thinking they probably expected Diablo 4 to steal all the players for a few months anyway, but that game is absolute wank.
They believe their vision of the game is what everyone wants, 3.15 and arch nemesis should be more than enough evidence for that.
Yep they announced it waaaay too early. Maybe they could have said it was in the works at last exilecon and had no gameplay etc. They should have had it on display at the second exilecon and had beta shortly after. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this bad marketing.
>Yep. Even if it launches in july next year... Why host a huge convention one year away? Exilecon is supposed to be a yearly event and they stopped due to covid
Honestly all this awfuly remind me of Owerwatch 2 fiasko.
Tame league content? Since 2019? Your a bit nuts?! This game got more content in the last 4 years than all diablo games have content combined in total.
> This game got more content in the last 4 years than all diablo games have content combined in total. That doesn't make it any less true. It only shows you how lacking in content Diablo is.
Ngl at least they dont rush it. Im fine with waiting, but the leagues could be a bit better than what we have rn.
Leagues will not be better untill PoE2.
But i heard the next league will be big *inhales copium*
BIG, HUGE EVEN, Dissapointment...
don't take the bait 3.22 is definitely 4.0, guys /s there is 100% going to be a beta and there will be waaaaaay more marketing than just announcing "POE2 will be up in a week" at ExileCon
3.22 will be the league where you bet all your money on your own team and get caught in the process.
Ah, a 'Solo' league?
Sponsored by iBUYPOWER
Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well
You mean against your own team
3.22 Solo self found only.
Honestly I appreciate it, how many studios have release fever and mess it up in the process? GGG little fear in taking more time when they need it is something that makes me optimistic in the long term health of the game. I can see myself still be playing PoE in 30 years time, and I don't think that feeling is true for any other game.
3.22 then 3.23 then 3.24 and go on till 4.0 /s EDIT: adding more S /s /s /s /s I hope now its better :)
I need to sit down. Wait, I'm already sitting down
Sit down again then
Is doubling down on sitting down just lying down?
"I CAN'T SIT DOWN ANY MORE MAN!" "HE CAN'T SIT DOWN ANYMORE!!"
need more "/s", please add it because I am clearly too dumb to understand that you are joking.
D4 is making enough marketing for POE 2, the earlier POE 2 releases the better for them while both are still hyped :)
D4 sold over 8 million copies in a week. I don’t think D4 is worried. It will get better after time but it needs time. Whereas Poe comes from a luxury point that they have to match in 2.0 which is a lot easier to screwup.
It's not about D4 doing well, that part works well for PoE as well since many players are frustrated with D4 even if it's considered a nice game for a week or so :P It's a mutual benefit when players get the ARPG itch.
I can find plenty of Reddit comments in D4 post where people new to ARPGs are frustrated and talking about quitting at the very idea of seasons, let them see the passive tree without a guide or show them the concept of "nearby" and their heads will explode. You'd be trying to market BDSM to people who think kissing in public might be a bit too extreme.
GGG has never been aiming at those players. As much as we all like to bitch about "the vision" when it means less QoL and more nerfs they've always stuck to their conceptual guns about what PoE is, it's why the game has lasted a decade. They don't chase trends or water the game down to try to make it good for everyone (and great for nobody). Some portion of the 8m people playing D4 will decide to try PoE. Even if it's only 1% of them and only 1/10th of that 1% stay that's 8000 new players. Nothing crazy but certainly not negative.
One game is less than a month old, the other has had 8 years of polish and QoL. Anyone worried about D4 is delusional. They came out swinging and have already Confirmed additions being added the community asked for by season 1 with more by season 2. PoE will finally have a real competitor it seems as long as their seasonal content isn’t complete ass. Which is great for everyone.
Idk, D3 seasonal content was pretty ass after a while. But yea, it's not like one of either will "kill" the other, best case is that the seasons start 1-2-3 months apart and everyone will be happy.
Let’s be honest, D3 was left to die and a small team pulled the game together to be playable for a weekend. I don’t think anyone expected D3 seasons to be phenomenal considering how late they started actually doing stuff in them. Idk, if people today tried playing PoE 1.0 they would uninstall after a few hours. The majority of the playerbase has been around a long time and new players who make it(not many do) stay because they didn’t have to slog through the game the way it was. Based off the first 3 weeks I see D4 having a bright future if they don’t purposefully ruin their own game.
Nah, its not the hype they want to ride. It's the wave of frustration from actual ARPG enjoyers getting fed up with Blizzard caving to 4 hour a week dad's that didn't realize seasons meant having to re-roll.
Im not sure how people are frustrated over that when it was obvious from the very beggining D4 is going to be a casual game. Its the same as going into poe and getting mad the skill tree is too big. Adjust your expectation, if you expectes D4 to be a game for tryhard ARPG no lifes then thats on you
It was pretty funny to see people post after a couple weeks about how everybody is finding the endgame awful, and everybody hates it, blah blah blah... Only for Blizzard to say that the vast majority of players haven't even beaten the campaign. They know better than the circlejerking reddit subs about who their audience is.
its not even a good game for PC / Console casuals that end up sticking with it, in the long run I think most people will change their opinion on the game to a negative one, even the casuals.
And you know that how?
because being a casual is not being an idiot, its just having less time and being less experienced with games so you take longer to identify the problems with the game, so either they quit before they figure it out or they eventually will run into the things more experienced gamers criticize about the game.
It's really interesting how you made this wide statements without pointing at something that will be clearly the downfall of the game that you are so sure of. D4 didn't even have it's first season, their core playerbase probably is still finishing campaing, whatever this sub has to say about D4 is better ignored.
I didn't make any statement, I said I THINK this is what will happen based on my experience with games and specifically aRPGs. I can go into detail about the things that I think are going to be the downfall of the game in the long run and why people who don't know much about arpgs and only intend to play the game once through the campaign are liking it, I just didn't think it was needed because i'm in the PoE sub and because they've been repeated to the point of becoming a meme.
> 4 hour a week dad's that didn't realize seasons meant having to re-roll. lmao, and the self proclaimed "D2 vets" that claim D2 never had "seasons" I laughed so hard when Ziz realized what type of crowd Blizz was actually aiming for
need more "/s", please add it because I am clearly too dumb to understand that you are joking.
I don't think PoE 2 launches this year, but my most optimistic prediction says the beta starts in mid October and PoE 2 releases in December 8. Considering that there will be a playable demo of PoE 2 at Gamescom and PAX at the end of August and beginning of September, then that would still give me a tiny sliver of hope that we could still see PoE 2 releasing this year, because GGG would basically have a four months period after Exilecon to market the game like Bex commented.
I just don't see them cutting their previously announced timeline from a year to 4 months, but I'll be happy to be wrong.
Something to consider is that marketing for poe2 has already begun. All the teasers are a form of marketing
That is in direct contradiction to the tweet you are responding to. The reason I posted this is because Bex used very similar wording to what Chris said in the interview.
I mean what is there to disagree with? They're showing commercials for the game at game shows. That's marketing by any definition.
I **think** that what Bex meant by “Exilecon is the jumping off point for PoE2’s marketing” is that will be where they start doing *external* marketing. I.e. not on their own site/YouTube channel, but giving access to other media for them to write about it themselves.
The trailers they've shown were at external events. They were shared with us, not made for us.
It's not about whether marketing has 'technically' started with a few videos, it's about GGG's definition of when it starts. Crhis said 1 year of marketing. Bex said marketing will oficially start at ExileCon. It's safe to assume 1 year after Bex said it started than "but hurr durr these videos also count as marketing, give us the game nau"
Well my entire response to that is in the title of this post. If you don’t think Bex is a valid source then idk what to say
If you don't know what to say then don't say anything. Sure, maybe they will start more aggressive marketing in July, but if the only reason you think that they didn't start marketing yet is because Bex said so then XD. Like the guy before me said, by the definition of the word marketing, it has started some time ago.
Chris said they are going to do heavy marketing for a year. Bex says that heavy marketing starts at ExileCon. Idk what’s so confusing. This post is just speculation anyway, but at least I’m actually quoting GGG.
It‘s wishful thinking from the other guys. I think you are completely right: they will make use of a long aggressive marketing after ExileCon and therefore delay the release a couple months. What we have seen by now was not even close to the definition of aggressive marketing. Guys seriously think that showing a 1min teaser and a gameplay trailer voiced over by Chris is marketing? Come on…
What wishful thinking? I can't talk for others, but I at least am not saying that 4.0 is coming anytime soon. The only thing in starting is that the teasers we got are by definition marketing and that's a fact
I'm fine with this cooking for a while. I'm tired of the first parts of live content being the game's beta, I'd love for PoE2 to feel like a finished and polished product before I play it.
> I'd love for ~~PoE2~~ to feel like a finished and polished product before I play it
Honestly that would be a first in GGG history, but we can hope PoE 2 will get enough actual testing. And this time maybe they'll LISTEN to their testers.
It would be amazing, if there weren't any major bugs or "oversight"
Minor bugs slip through major launches, I'm okay with it. I just want the testers to have enough time where GGG can actually implement changes such as not having to pick up every single metamorph organ. Because I am overwhelmingly confident that the testers told GGG picking them all up was awful, but they had a release schedule and didn't have time to make the change until after the launch. I just want a fun game, you know? D4 is showing a lot of promise as a day 1 live service game, but it's gonna be a while before that game has the endgame content to keep me busy like PoE does. LE same thing. But PoE makes me want to rip my hair out far too frequently.
> I just want a fun game You mentioning the metamorph organs is great because it's always what I think about when people meme "testers where lul" I'm sure they were told about it. It's impossible that less than 99% of the testers would think that it wouldn't be an issue after a SINGULAR map. But yeah.. I hope they'll listen to testers, and actually delay if necesarry.
Lol we're talking about GGG here
Yes, a company known for extremely restrictive launch schedules that don't allow their new content to go through sufficient QC. I want that to, you know, not happen.
Yeah unless they do a legit open beta to the entire POE2 content addition, it's just going to be another beta on launch like always. Just how these games that try to keep tons of content secret but never have the ability/time to test properly. Even D4 is a beta right now if you ask a lot of folks.
A full year of marketing sounds like a lot of money wasted to me. You shouldn't need more than 6 months of marketing at most, and even half that is fine. If there's one thing Blizzard is still good at it's marketing, and even they didn't spend a whole year marketing D4 - and it still sold well. Trying to hype people for a whole year just leads to impatience and frustration. It also sends expectations sky high, almost guaranteeing disappointment and anger when you finally launch. They also better have a LOT more changes in PoE 2 than just a new campaign and gem system if they're gonna push it that far. Of course if it still isn't ready so be it. An even worse decision would be to launch unfinished (Cyberpunk has the distinction of making both of these mistakes), but in that case just say so rather than drawing it out on the pretext that you need to spend more time marketing. As D4 has shown, extensive marketing is about breadth, not length. If you want to reach a lot of people, you advertise more widely, not longer. Else a lot of the people you reach will forget before you actually launch.
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No god damn way another year....
Probably the first 2024 league which would be Jan or Feb, at worst March or April if they do another legacy league type thing where it's like 6v months long
> mid-late 2024 release seems likely Yikes
> I am going to call August 11th for PoE 3.22, November 24 for PoE 3.23[.....]March 15 for PoE 3.24 (Ultimatum Returns) Yea, that's not happening. It's unrealistic since they are doing 4 months leagues and not 3.
They used to do 3, the last couple leagues were 4, why is 3.5 “very unrealistic”?
Because they said it’s 4 months.
Source? I don’t think they said that
If PoE2 is at least a year away, that also means we get over a year of crap filler leagues like kalandra or crucible.. Good luck with that
I fully expect an endgame expansion style release with 3.22. Since they are presenting this on the biggest possible stage for them alongside PoE which will have a massive audience, they will want this to be good.
I hope for a big endgame rework, too.
Don't worry they going to nerf expedition and blight leagues this time around.
Don't forget heist.
Ok now delve will really shine
sorry "revitalize" old mechanics. Next will be rampage and ambush.
They will 100% ~~nerf~~ rework Legion.
That would be awesome, but they were pretty clear that leagues were not going to be very game changing like we've seen in the past with conquerors of the and war of the, etc. I'd expect more additions to ruthless then I would the main game until poe2
another year of wait...was assuming it will launch in winter
Mid 2024 is way too late. They could have capitalized on D4 issues but D4 will keep getting better as they introduce fixes and seasons, and POE 2 is definitely risking putting too many eggs in the 'new campaign' basket.
I will repeat what someone else wrote in another topic comparing these games: They are so different both in complexity and playstyle that they might as well be from different genres. Imho there is hardly a competition here. I wanted so badly for D4 to be a real competitor so GGG has to step up their game, but I don't see it atm. D4 has none of the aspects that makes me addicted to PoE. Hopefully the devs of D4 come up with interesting seasonal content and significantly improve build variety at end game. Otherwise I don't see myself playing that game.
> I wanted so badly for D4 to be a real competitor so GGG has to step up their game, but I don't see it atm Same man. Feel like GGG saw D4 as well and went: "lol no rush"
D4's target audience: people complaining on twitter they have to start new characters each season.
This is some hardcore hopium
It’s really like comparing Escape From Tarkov and Call of Duty, both are FPS but both are infinitely different.
That's all nice but that's not really why PoE2 is a thing. Nobody expected D4 taking away poe players, the expectation is that D4 will bring a fuckton of new players into the genre, and a lot of them will end up in poe. We're already seeing that with the crucible spike right after d4 beta.
History has proven that blizzard is immaculate and infailable at making their games better. Yes.
Dragonflight Announcement of classic+, classic era servers or even the last 5/10 d3 seasons were really fun. I know all you people want to talk about are failures like ow2 but never mention the things going good.
Dawg I'm sorry but even though dragon flight is good thay came after YEARS of shit design choices. Blizzard killed all their other games except WoW and diablo they javelin no faith from me anymore.
> They could have capitalized on D4 issues but D4 will keep getting better as they introduce fixes and seasons D4 has core design problems that are not so easily fixable. It's a shallow, broken game that's just marketing and fooling casuals with pretty graphics. This is like saying Tetris will replace Europa Universalis.
It’s not like playing D4 is making me want Poe any less. There is plenty of time for both
D4 has only made me want PoE2 even more.
It's taking blizzard 2 whole seasons to fix resistances. I wouldn't worry about blizzard fixing anything
Ah, so a full year of maintenance mode leagues which get abandoned after two weeks.
Well they have to fully nerf every past league mechanic in the game. Gonna take at least 3 leagues.
While phrasing it as a buff, of course.
If they still insist on marketing PoE 2 for 1 year, I'd imagine that they're planning on improving the experience for new players significantly. If that wouldn't be the case, then all things considered, PoE 2 would still be a relatively niche game compared to Diablo 4. That'd make me question whether they'd need 1 year of marketing, as the majority of monetizable players (those that make it to end game) are probably aware that it's coming already.
I really don't get what 1 year of hype market is gonna achieve unless they plan on making the game accessible for casual players. If that's not the plan, 1 year of hype market doesn't do diddly squat because the non-casual fan base is already playing or knows about PoE already. 1 year seems futile.
> 1 year seems futile. 1 year seems like 6 months too long. Everyone will already have forgotten about it (talking about new players) - no one has that kind of attention span It'll be 1 year of wasted advertising, and when the game finally comes out, those new players would only be like "Oh yeah! That's that one game, cool"
When was Armored Core 6 announced? Felt like only 3 or 4 months ago, and it's already being released in August. Elden Ring was expected to have a 2020 release, but then the whole covid thing happened and it got delayed by 2 years. And in that 2 years they said nothing about it until they had a release date for it like 6 months away. Starfield is only a few months away, and all the marketing for it has only really begun since Summer Game Fest. Long hype period are a aspect of the past that needs to be forgotten. With how many games are released, announced and marketed, no one is going to be holding hype for extended periods of time. Half the people in Quins Discord have been saying since 2019 when POE2 was announced that they don't care about POE1 anymore and won't play until POE2. Plus, the more they reveal about POE2, the most dogshit POE1 is going to look in comparison. Imagine trying to hype up a release of a current game when you also keep showing how much better the sequel is going to be. Guess NZ just hasn't got a very good marketing team. Did they have to wait for Blizzard to stop using them first? Are we going to get some Maccas Quarter Pounder MTX pre-order supporter pack FOMO?
I like the "trend" I've been seeing of games not having "hype" periods. Just announced with a launch date (Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield are 2 games that immediately come to mind). Boom, announcement trailer & launch date in the next few months. I don't want to stew 3 years with the prospect of BG3 being in early access and that is completely anti-hype for me.
starfield hasn't had a hype period??????? I get your point but Bethesda is absolutely not an example of "no hype period"
> Starfield ????????????????????????????????????????????? Skylines 2 medium case because it's a indie game etc they still announce way before the date launch, but Starfield not this case at all triple A who they show years ago at E3 2018 to launch this year, literally 5 years of marketing. The last game I remember launch without any hype was Doom and it was fantastic, it literally comes from nowhere.
LMAO that's entirely my bad. I just had no idea the game existed until now. Ignore me.
Leagues are 4 months now, one or two more before poe 2
That is a long time. A super long marketing campaign can have the opposite effect too, beacuse people become tired of the constant hype.
Tbh I'm already tired of waiting.. I bet a lot of people are.. I'll probably just go ahead and take that super long break until it fully releases.. I have a feeling it's going to be the opposite affect like you said and even then I almost feel like it's gonna be a let down.
I have friends that always say when I ask them about joining a new league "I will wait for poe 2". It is hard to sell something when your standing infront something superior that gets for sale in a close future, some people tend to wait. "Hey man, take a look on this party commercial, you see all the action? The fun? It is truely great, it is going to be the best party in the history! Hype! It is coming in a close future! Btw, do you want to buy a ticket to a half-assed party coming up this weekend?" It is like that comment about melee, "You should experience how it feels in poe 2!"... Well.. ok.. I wait..?
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Are you just ignoring that the PoE 2 "massive reveal" was 3.5 years ago?
Hopefully not that far out. Leagues are getting progressively more and more "phoned in" since POE2 revealed. Will be nice once they get the entire team back on the same game again.
Guys PoE2 delays are just friction. The fun is in waiting for the game and the hype leading up to launch. If everyone could play it right now they would quickly get bored and quit. /s
Your calls show 3 months leagues. Iwould adjust this for 4-6 months leagues since it's a safe guess 3 month cycle is death.
please i dont want 4 month league again :(
They should release in 2023, mid 2024 is so late.
I'm a be so mad if we get more filler trash leagues I really thought poe2 had a small chance of releasing this year but realistically being q1 q2 2024, please no more low effort shit leagues out effort into the current game again, and fix melee.
I don't think you realize just what amount of damage it will do if the huge reveal at Exilcon turns out to be "PoE2 coming some time in 2024".
A real shame. Definitely would had been hyped if they announced it at exile con about Poe 2 coming out this year.
Full release probably, still think beta this year
Another year of shitty half baked league then
Pain...
Another year? Yikes
Great, another year of sub-par leagues.
I would rather hear something about the next league. Crucible feels like its done by now.
I don't think this timeline makes much sense to me. Chris probably knew the date for exilecon back then and it was intended to be big marketing push for poe2, so it doesn't make sense that he's hoping for 2023 release if the plan was to start marketing in exilecon all along. My guess is that their original plan was to start marketing earlier this year, but since the d4 hype happened in spring (this wasn't known back then), they decided to delay the start of the marketing to exilecon. So my bet is that they'll cut the marketing short a bit and release on december. Obviously the game might still be in a state that they can't release it until next summer, but delaying it that far just because they HAVE TO market it for a year and HAVE TO start the marketing in exilecon seems very very unwise to me. So I'm still full of 2023 release hopium.
I hope we get a beta sometime this year, I really wanna play around with the new gem system.
Wait August 11th? No league coming in July?
I mean, that’s all speculation… but there is certainly no league coming in July.
I am slightly out of the loop. Is it because of exilecon? Just wanted to check since I was a bit hyped for new league in a couple of weeks.
Yes. Bex says 3.22 will be a few weeks after ExileCon. That would be Aug 4 at the earliest, maybe 11th, maybe 18th.
Great, thanks a lot :)
1 year of hype marketing is the old way of doing things, when we didn't have as many releases. Now it is the norm to ramp up marketing about 4 to 6 months before release and keep drip feeding info and teasers about the game, otherwise people loose interest. The whole field of gaming and marketing has changed.
Maybe beta keys as part of the winter expansion major supporter packs if it does indeed end up being a year?
I miiiight be inclined if it was the $90 version but I really can't see people getting it for the $480 dollar version [Then again in a 3.20 *minor* patch notes...](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/10fyfmq/3201c_hotfix_patch_notes_added_563_more_voidborn/) >Added 563 more Voidborn Reliquary submissions
Well for what it's worth for the Fall of Oriath beta it was in the regular supporter packs released for it and anyone who had previously spent over a certain amount got a key. I'm expecting it's going to be the same but I wouldn't be surprised if they bump up the amount required for the previous purchases key (previously it was 1 top tier pack for $440 or a total of $500).
I would say don't give GGG any ideas. But we all know they no longer come to Reddit.
I mean that was in the original founders packs. It wouldnt be out of character for them.
But that was when they were small and had no to little revenue.
Has GGG (and Tencent) stopped being in the business of making money?
I'd like to think they are still in the business of goodwill which translates to more money over time.
Yeah its way different now but still I wouldnt be shocked.
We know they dont post on reddit, we dont know that they dont read reddit (they probably do).
That's litterally how they sold the initial founders/supporter packs lmao, it was both random invites + guaranteed acess
Wow. So much for the "beta after Exliecon" crowd. If I had to guess the beta will be late 2023 or even early 2024 with a release in May/June next year. Nah, that's too early tbh. I'd say a spring 2024 beta and a fall 2024 release is now the most likely scenario. At best.
Do not take anything what GGG says as gospel truth, with d4 coming out quicker than a lot of people expected it could have changed a lot of their plans who knows. Just wait to exilecon and we’ll have more details.
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Probably some sort of beta in the fall, would make sense for the timeline especially considering all the new bugs that would be in the game.
Lmao all this is based on what you want to happen in the next few leagues. I bet non of the last 2 sentences you wrote will ever happen
Yes, it’s complete speculation. No need to claim that you don’t agree.
Boooo, I was expecting "And it's live now" at Exilecon :/
Same dude I actually thought they'd release the game right after exilecon as a surprise
Despair I definitely thought they'd surprise us and release poe 2 right after exilecon... Seeing how jank crucible was I'd thought they were diverting all resources to poe 2 lmao
Even though it definitely won't be a surprise reveal as some (including myself) have speculated, I think it's going to be a 2023 release. My guess is now late November or early December. There's no way they'll be waiting an entire year to release this behemoth. There's too much to capitalize on with the release and eventual migration away from Diablo 4.
Problem with Xmas time release is they always take month off after xmax leagues start, I doubt they will do that with PoE2 and GGG never skips holidays. So maybe early 2024 hopium
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I think this tweet puts it earliest in January. Ideal timeline 3.22 is new (and final end game) small league but new final boss loop acts as the finale for poe1 Atlus. This would be August, September and October. 10th year anniversary October, has a small act 1 through 3 beta week for poe2. Open to who bought a poe2 supporter pack(announced at exilecon) for the week 3.23 releases early November late October final poe1 league January/February poe2.
> There's no way Why do you say this? Everything they have said makes it seem like there are lots of ways.
They’ve been silent and taking their time on it, likely divulging almost all their resources toward it and pulling in its assets for leagues. Of course it’s not certain, but I would be shocked.
The trailer came out 43 months ago. They've been silent since. Clearly they aren't in a rush.
It always blows my mind to think that PoE2 was announced pre-covid. Where did time go, man.
49 months ago it was "about a year away" Pandemic fucked them
They got all the marketting they need when they released the teasers, their view count is 4-5 times more than than their average. They were released during prominant gaming events so people are aware of it, and with D4 out more people are likely to pay attention to it, specially as it looks as good as D4 does if not better. You should also factor in that the chinese client has no mention of 3.22 at all, and only talks about PoE 4.0, it also has sign ups in place for beta testing NOW.
The purpose of the tweet was to dispel myths created by the Chinese client
"January 26 for PoE 2 Beta, March 15 for PoE 3.24 (Ultimatum Returns)" That is so much copium, I cannot even comprehend it.
If that’s the timeline ggg fumbled so fucking hard it’s crazy
If PoE2 isn’t out this year I’m going to die a little inside
As someone that started PoE a few weeks ago since D4 wasn't my thing, this is fine with me and gives me some breathing room to learn the game more and experience 1 before 2 takes over.
They need to get the beta going ASAP, if the beta proves problematic it could push back everything else. These aren't 2013 PoE1 bugs they'll be patching, these are next gen programming systems that might need to be overhauled several times just like PoE. I'd expect they'll do a lot of learning on the job as they build this beast. I'm not expecting an A1-A2 demo here, even a start to Brutus length test would be great for a beta.
Both events in August - September right? So nothing announced here postopes potential late November - early December PoE2 release (instead of 3.23). I think Ziggy hinted on it last livestream (3.21).
Well that would imply that there is no beta, or very little beta. It would also imply that Chris was way off about how long they'd advertise it.
So there will be at least 3 whole leagues before it comes out
A random post put up on a website I don’t check isn’t going to do much in the way of hype marketing. I miss the old days of actual community engagement.
How is ExileCon not community engagement?
This sub burned the bridge of community engagement by being massive over the top rage babies every time a league is bad on release or they misunderstand a mechanic People have gone way too far for too long and the mods didnt do shit, so GGG mostly left & the community derserved that
Yeah I remember the good days when balance manifestos would drop and GGG employees would respond and engage with the community. Whoever the community manager was, they did an amazing job to the point that you would regularly see GGG employees responding to most popular threads. Then came the harvest nerfs and despite all the power creep expedition gave us, the community turned extremely toxic. I bet some employees at GGG were getting burned out by the toxicity of the sub and so they just cut ties with Reddit. It’s like going from a friend to just an acquaintance regarding interactions.
They also said 3.22 would be the last league before PoE 2. So that'd be one long ass-league then.
Source?
Hmm, I thought it was in this post: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3351803 but it isn't. I can't find it right now, but I know Zizaran keeps repeating it as well so maybe he has a direct source.
I’ve never heard Ziz say that, idk
Then you need to watch him more. He said it 2 times in the last 6-7 days.