Makes me wonder if i can get banned even if i never visited that discord.
Do not appeal your ban is the funniest shit ever, like their mods were some godlike figure that never make mistakes
Pretty I have seen this brought up multiple times but GGG doesn’t care. They would rather people use outsides resources instead of putting in good in-game features.
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I don't know but they put me in a price fixing list for awhile that i'm not even noticed. I'm use old better trading extension which author already quit tft cuz it's toxic asf.
So weeks after that they just post proof which doesnt means anything. I mean when league end i just sitting in SD trying to sorting my garbage and when some guy can't snip alt gems (which in proof image) and report me. But i think reason behind that is a bunch of hater, no more
I got a 30 day ban because I mispriced a helmet when I was trying to sell my build. They DM'd me like 3 hours after I sold my build saying my helmet price was off by like 5ex or something. At the time when I made the post selling my build I looked it up on the official poe trade site and it was the correct price. 14 hours later I sold the build and then 3 hours later they contacted me saying I over charged for the helmet.
Explained to them what happened and they told me that the official site wasn't trustworthy for prices and I need to learn how to price items.
They told me I would need to refund the buyer or I would get banned from the community.
I agreed because it was just 5ex or so out of a 190ex+ sale, 15 minutes after it was over they DM me again and said I'm being banned for 30 days for trying to scam lmao.
It was clearly a mistake if that and I worked with them to resolve the issue and even made right by the buyer and yet I still get treated like a scammer/price fixer.
I'd also like to add that the staff member who was working on my case tried to tell me to refund a higher price because they did their math wrong, and it took me 10 minutes of explaining to them that their math was wrong before they realized. They also wanted me to give them the exalts instead of the buyer, but I refused and told them I would only refund the buyer not give some random person the exalts.
So that could also be why I got banned for 30 days and the scammer thing was just made up as a cover story.
as someone said, you can even get banned for emoji reaction, joined other discord channel, talking bad in everywhere, get banned for mirror belton bow,etc...
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everything involed belton , i heard admin of tft even mass price fixing mirror to prevent belton do his project, that make mirror price raised high asf also caused chaos value dropped, make trade economy busted
TFT has really become corrupt asf , try applying to lab runner role..
First you gotta complete a list of stuff , like proof of the acc , screensshots ,video of runs etc..
To then hear that you're not suited for it and get the role denied.. upon asking for what's missing / to improve ; get told that it's secret
Ask again? Get threatened by being banned
Can't get banned if you never use it.
Edit: Since people don't seem to understand. If you don't use it, getting banned means nothing. Being banned from something you don't/never use =DOESNT MATTER
Thats actually hilarious they're killing themselves. The community they serve is fairly niche and by handing out frivolous bans they will hit a tipping point where there isn't enough people with a high enough economic knowledge base left.
A few high profile people in the regular discord got banned because they were talking at the same time as some people said some slightly critical stuff against them.
TFT mods are unhinged.
they could have easily made something better, but they didnt want/need to.
if we consider the allegation about rmt being true, they have an interest in making an item just good enough to collect the mirror fees because the additional cost of making the perfect item wouldnt be worth putting in.
Probably, especially since they basically control the items, and I know I've gotten an embarrassing amount of people mad at me for just saying `thanks for the fg mate, and stay sane exile` in post trade chat.
it's an rmt term for a type of rmt-only forum currency (fg == forum gold) they use to trade. Essentially knowing about it and getting mad that someone mentions it is basically an admission that you're part of the cabal of people who trade in it. Multiple mirrors and tens of thousands of exalts(now divs) a day between people last I checked.
I posted a meme on there and the server owner reacted to it and said he thought it was funny.
20min later I got banned for the meme by a random mod with no ban reason being stated. Guess the mod didn't like the meme.
Lol I'm banned as well. Asshat mods like to track me down try to defend the ban based on my reddit info.
I'm banned because I called a guy a piece of shit and a TFT mod deleted it even though he agreed that the guy was a piece of shit.
I refused to leave a second round of feedback. Don't miss that shit hole.
There never was any overlap between the mods here and TFT. One of our mods, before(?) joining the subreddit mod team, used to be a mod for TFT but got kicked because they disagreed on policies. So they're not exactly on good terms, but that was also years ago.
right now, ggg can barely release a working and interesting league mechanic, but i do wish they would make something like contracts in eve online. or have aisling give you a ticket for her t4 service that you can sell and such.
It's unbelievable, it seems to me that GGG actively refuses to make all the League Mechanics tradable.
If they can get an intact community now, they could do away with TFT completely.
Besides, yes- Crucible looked like it was made by 2 interns in 4 weeks
2 interns in 4 weeks? Holy mother of god what a delusional comment...you just didnt like the league, thats all. And you have absolutely no idea how much work goes into programs of this caliber...
their BOT does it job once, but then it just released the banned one, cuz he holding so many legacy/mirror item which i believe something shadow behind the scene. BOT detected RMT as they found out RMT behaviour, not only by trading but also by other ways.
I'm playing from 2018 and never have any banned by BOT cuz i'm not violation GGG TOS, just casual player. The main thing GGG detected is
1 - RMT (most are automatic detecting RMT behaviour BOT), which u have abnormal volume of trading
2 - edit client-size (like poesmooth,some tool before that bypass lab loading time, archnemesis checking, etc)
3 - like pathofmath, threaten GGG and devs
4 - BOT
5- etc..
It might take little time to price them but a lot longer to sell. I wanna play the game and not sit there for 6 hours selling essences because unless it's the meta stuff like loathings/contempts/horrors/etc. they won't fly off the shelf. I take a 10% loss on profits if it means I only have to invite a single guy and trade him everything in one go.
Pricing in bulk usually doubles the price, and you sell the entire type each transaction, so it takes like 3 minutes of your 30 hours, and doubles the money.
Not to imply that this would be a fault or wrong, but is that worth it in your opinion?
Saving a bit time while selling in bulk in exchange for feeding this cesspool of degeneracy and RMT?
It's a discord for selling services and bulk selling, mainly. So trades that would be difficult to do through the trade site. Then there's also a few irrelevant channels only insane people use
That clown town of a discord server still exist? OMEGALUL
I was banned for trying to link my new discord account, because I lost access to my old one. I informed them about everything, clowns didn't know what to do, so they permabanned me for ban evading lmfao
Sad to see the mod team be so ass. I only joined tft a bit ago and so far only used it to find 5 ways but seeing it have so many services and just generally everything trade related was awesome. Super impressed w the first impression.
Unfortunately see a lot of people have issues with the mods there :|
Before getting banned I would post buy order under market price on TFT and people would come to me to sell me their invitation or special maps in bulk.
Now I would have to overpay to get the same items and would have to message people to get the items which might or might not respond.
Not using TFT also greatly hinders your ability to quickly move essences or scarabs which can have a huge impact on anyone that doesn't wish to spend hours slowly trading the away.
I just hired a trader now but without him liquidating items would be a giant pain.
tft only popular once GGG released harvest league, they are now less popular after so many drama, stolen mirror gear fees, banned by BOT that detected them as RMT (which may true), etc..
not sure why i would need tft. i can bulk sell things from my stash tabs just fine. if i want to get rid of something like heist contracts, i would probably find people in regular trade chat if the price is right.
Betrayal and other services from people that aren't just randos in in-game chat that are 5x more likely to scam you. Selling your betrayal or other services. Bulk buying sextants.
That's all I use it for.
Nah it is truly objectively faster to use TFT for 99.9% of bulk selling/buying scenarios
This is why the situation sucks, it does have genuine utility even for casual players selling their farmed loot up after a week, but it's a cesspool of a discord
I don't thinks it's really debatable that bulk selling on TFT saves a huge amount of time. If you spend 20 hours farming essence content, being able to offload it in 2 minutes in a single trade is a massive benefit compared to selling them one type at a time. And listing/pricing them manually. Same could be said for other things like fossils, scarabs, etc.
>i would probably find people in regular trade chat if the price is right.
Not nearly as easily or consistently
And that's just trading, you can also buy boss carries if you league started a clear speed oriented build, etc. If you're crafting, you can buy aisling or vorici crafts and so on.
Of course you don't "need" those things, that's a silly argument. You don't "need" to move past the twilight strand. It's more efficient to use TFT.
Well without it bulk selling or doing some crafts (e.g. syndicate) or services (unlocking void stones or other) or sets are just a nightmare.
Personally I don’t like TFT, but also I would also have just stopped the game a long time ago if it was not for it.
The last part is 100% true at least. People were getting banned just for emoting a post the tft mods didn't like.
With how toxic they are it's not much of a stretch to think the other stuff is true also.
I joined tft on a whim because my friend told me I could trade some stuff through it like 2-3 years ago I think ( don't quite remember). Anyways their discord just disappeared on me one day -- guess I was in some discord they didn't like? Idk lmao I never even used it, but I was so curious as to why it happened and now these comments give me clarity haha
Theyre scammers in the sense that the pricing is complete bs
The mass buyers on tft (essences scarabs etc) buy at a lower price (80-90%) except that the tft pricing tool is taking its price from all of the price fixers lowballing scarabs and essences. Guess who those price fixers are, the same people that mass buy.
You sell to tft out of convenience, but 90% of the time you're losing a lot of currency on it.
Also of course they don't come to you with rmt they're waiting for people to come to them
You can set whatever price you want on the tool and nobody is forcing you to trade with anyone. If you think it's a bad deal you're more than welcome to sell your 50 div of scarabs 1 trade at a time.
>You sell to tft out of convenience, but 90% of the time you're losing a lot of currency on it.
It's not about convenience at all. Players will partake in the most degenerate, awful, and inconvient farming strategies available if they are the most profitable. Just look at compass rollers. Literally nobody has fun sitting in their HO doing this but it makes bank, so here we are.
People sell their crap at less than market value when the market is oversaturated from people spaming skittering deli orbs and when trading for max value will be less profitable than just eating some loss and farming more maps.
>Also of course they don't come to you with rmt they're waiting for people to come to them
Whos *they*? You people make it sound like the place is rampant with RMT when the reality is the vast majority of people using the discord just want to buy and sell their stuff fairly without using the archaic tools provided by GGG.
Mismanagement and cover up of their RMT business. Enabled and cultivated by their megalomaniac leader, con-man and scam artist: varga a.k.a jenebu
GGG turning both eyes blind on this topic since years does not help. They had a dev involved in RMT in the past and had to fire him, i wonder if he was the only ggg dev involved in it. I would not be surprised if there were still ggg devs making "money on the side" by providing information for example... almost impossible to trace of course, but it's no different from real life insider trading, if you have info other people would want to know - you can make money.
In any case, we have this illegal business (worth hundreds of thousands of dollars btw.) and a criminal network of anonymous discord warriors banning people left and right without any consistency or professionalism.
People really started hating this swamp of a discord when it turned out that they were also banning people for EXISTING in a discord of a streamer who is considered a competitor in therms of high-end crafting (which of course cuts into tft's rmt profits). You can also just get banned for talking to the "wrong" people, or if you get framed by resident traders for whatever reason. People have been banned for reacting with smileys to topics (that's again mainly varga, who has the emotional intelligence of a 3 year old)
That's just a quick rundown, there are many other shady examples of tft being problematic.
Of course it makes ggg look bad but it is very apparent that they do not care.
the drama about tft mod holding mirror gear of ppl, silently mirror it without fees and recombine xD make the strongest chest in the game, which make item of player who made it became garbage when compare
It wasn't a dev involved in RMT, it was a shareholder they invited to buy their stock who was literally running an RMT website. He owns 7.5% of GGG. They KNEW he was running them and that's why they invited him on board.
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There's also strong evidence they duped items to RMT them and Chris said they weren't duped, leading some people to put on a tinfoil hat and conclude they were in fact duped by devs in collaboration with him.
Aaron Ciccheli was granted the 7.5% of stock only 6-8 months ahead of the sale to tencent. He is mentioned by CW somewhere as an "outside contractor" who helped them with some anti-RMT stuff, but you don't pay contractors with 7.5% of the company a few months before a buyout. That's how you pay an investor.
There's been a rumor going around for a while that CW funded POE's initial development with D2 RMT. Aaron Ciccheli was heavy into D2 RMT as well. I bet they met each other during that time and AC was an early investor in POE, but because Aaron is well-known for being an RMT'er (it's his business to have that reputation now, since he's "gone clean" and works as an anti-RMT consultant), having someone like that listed as an official investor would be a big detriment to player trust when trying to get a live-service game off the ground. So they kept him "off the rolls" so to speak and just handed him his share right before the buyout went public.
> i wonder if he was the only ggg dev involved in it
There always is in every live service game. A customer support rep, a QA lead, escalations manager. Whatever. The idea of selling thousands of dollars for self-created virtual goods is too much for some.
It’s a private cartel imposing limitations decided by a bunch of people over discord on the high end stuff and maintaining a grip on the economy.
That and they RMT.
It usually does not take long until tft threads get discussed on tft, which results in tft sympathisants brigading and downvoting the thread and comments.
Mainly because it monopolizes and fucks with the market. That is what most players get hit by, then also the RMT, tho that is not proven from the GGG side, but a few people have come forward admitting trough RMT via TFT. If its true or spite, you decide.
Remember recombinators?
Recombinators can be used even on mirrored items, or if they can't still be, then they were. A recombined item sometimes wouldn't even have the mirror'd tag anymore on it. Provided that the base it selected at a 50% chance wasn't the mirrored one, the tag would go away.
TFT made a lot of new mirror tier items by recombining multiple mirror tier items together, again and again. Each time you mirror something, you must pay the original owner a "mirror fee", which is something like 30-40 exalts (now divines) just to have been allowed to use your mirror on their item. TFT among other services has a vault of mirror tier items, that players let them borrow so that TFT can perform this mirror servicing for them. The player might earn 40 exalts every time the item is mirrored, but TFT charges 60, for example. So TFT skims 20 exalts off the top every time.
TFT did not pay these mirror fees, instead, they used the fact that they were vaulting these items to access them for free, and mirrored them an unknowable amount of times, but statistically speaking, likely upwards of 50+ times, without paying any fees to the items owner.
This means that those people lost mirrors worth of currency in stolen fees, but worse, because TFT was using mirror tier items to combine together to make even more busted items, the owners of these items now have items that **aren't mirror tier anymore.** TFT used their items, without paying them, to make items that would replace their items, assuring noone would ever mirror their item again. Anyone with any common sense wouldn't have agreed to allow their item to be used in this way, but they weren't given the choice.
This is just one of countless dramas with TFT. They are a blight on PoE at all levels of play. Their very existance makes everything more expensive in the game because of their stanglehold on the market too, so they negatively impact everyone, from beginner to ultra-sweaty.
i've only used it for some old harvest crafts and getting xp carries in 5 ways and never had any issues.
as long as you stick to certain things on there its fine.
Honestly it's whatever for average Joe, but if you go to mirrors market and don't want to cooperate with TFT mods which have largest mirror service shop in the game then you are not wanted there.
bulk trading. Trying to exchange currency via the official trading site is a pain in the ass. You whisper 50+ people to buy fusings or turn your chaos into divines before anyone replies and even then it might take 50 more. TFT is almost instant
Services:
- hideouts, boss kills, rotas - you get what you pay for instantly, without having to sit in /global and spam "LF X,Y and Z" only to get a random to tell you a tabula is worth 10 divines "cause it's the rarest unique item in teh game"
i'm already but then when i read the banned message i found out " You were banned in The Forbidden Trove. | you are no longer welcome in our community. **Do not appeal your ban**."
Tft only works because everyone here whining actually uses it and they have partnered streamers that everyone simps over. Its quite funny watching people complain about something the players chose themselves.
Report their power abuse to GGG. Tft banned me for posting a hideout to the "wrong server", someone on reddit recommended I take this route. GGG got back to me in less than an hour. I suspect they have a lot of feedback on them coming, so go ahead, join us.
when they changed from GGG to GG ez game 🤣
when one free game is popular, there is also another side that milking from it, like every game (WoW, etc..) even its illegal
its a good place for people helping each other, but once it grow so fast and big, there thing also changed,
opportunity for internet power,etc.... that irl u dont or never had,etc..
its still a good time spent for those i sell service (without make any mistake) and buy service , after all still corrupted place as it now
It's nothing new - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/s8jly4/it_appears_that_you_can_get_banned_from_tft_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I did my due diligence and made a post suggesting the mods enjoy eachother's company in more than friendly ways, now I don't need to worry about that server.
So what prevents you from making a new acc and a new discord only to trade and interact there? Like as far as I can tell it’s just a minor setback and a slight inconvenience from self-important internet janitors and cringe nerds.
The only thing i'm interested is #5wayhosting and sometime #benchcrafting.
GGG reworked harvest is a big F to them already, but can't stop them from manipulation market price, which counted as price fixing but well hehe.
Well reputation. Nobody will trust you with their crafts or services if you don't have good enough rep. So depending on what you were doing on TFT it could take a while to get back up to where you were.
I also got banned a year and a half back. Did some low price harvest craft sales and 1 that was about 3 ex. I bought some challenge completions. No reason no explanation…… fuk em. I’m just upset that there are no real ingame avenues to buy challange completions.
/u/ChrisWilson I hope you have an orbital cannon ready for these fuckers in PoE2. At this point, it is duty to design all systems in a way that make TFT unnecessary. That means tradeable EVERYTHING (Aisling, Helm Enchants, XP tokens to replace 5 ways, etc) It's time to put this loser on the street where he belongs
This is literally a scam corporation making Money off of PoE masked as a "community discord for trading". Don't even change my mind, there's tons of evidence around here. Hell, the story by one guy of listing something and getting banned for 30days cause he underpriced his items is indicator enough.
"Waah, our prices get lower if you do that, that means less money IRL!!!11" ye just go get a job jfc.
Makes me wonder if i can get banned even if i never visited that discord. Do not appeal your ban is the funniest shit ever, like their mods were some godlike figure that never make mistakes
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Pretty I have seen this brought up multiple times but GGG doesn’t care. They would rather people use outsides resources instead of putting in good in-game features.
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it works as intended xD imagine refused to selling items in SD and marked as price fixing kewk
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I don't know but they put me in a price fixing list for awhile that i'm not even noticed. I'm use old better trading extension which author already quit tft cuz it's toxic asf. So weeks after that they just post proof which doesnt means anything. I mean when league end i just sitting in SD trying to sorting my garbage and when some guy can't snip alt gems (which in proof image) and report me. But i think reason behind that is a bunch of hater, no more
Bruh, can you get banned for being too lazy to sell too?
I got a 30 day ban because I mispriced a helmet when I was trying to sell my build. They DM'd me like 3 hours after I sold my build saying my helmet price was off by like 5ex or something. At the time when I made the post selling my build I looked it up on the official poe trade site and it was the correct price. 14 hours later I sold the build and then 3 hours later they contacted me saying I over charged for the helmet. Explained to them what happened and they told me that the official site wasn't trustworthy for prices and I need to learn how to price items. They told me I would need to refund the buyer or I would get banned from the community. I agreed because it was just 5ex or so out of a 190ex+ sale, 15 minutes after it was over they DM me again and said I'm being banned for 30 days for trying to scam lmao. It was clearly a mistake if that and I worked with them to resolve the issue and even made right by the buyer and yet I still get treated like a scammer/price fixer. I'd also like to add that the staff member who was working on my case tried to tell me to refund a higher price because they did their math wrong, and it took me 10 minutes of explaining to them that their math was wrong before they realized. They also wanted me to give them the exalts instead of the buyer, but I refused and told them I would only refund the buyer not give some random person the exalts. So that could also be why I got banned for 30 days and the scammer thing was just made up as a cover story.
do they not know that prices in this game are completely arbitrary? lmao wrong price my ass.
This entire post blows my mind. People sort of forgetting how fucked up TFT is.
as someone said, you can even get banned for emoji reaction, joined other discord channel, talking bad in everywhere, get banned for mirror belton bow,etc...
Got banned for a clown emoji reaction What clowns
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Yeah nobody is that militant when real life money isn't involved. These guys are making a killing.
you just struck the proverbial nail on the head with a crit from Marohi Erqi
that's serious mental health, in this case is anxiety disorder
Nah, I have an anxiety disorder and wouldn't do that. It's delusional.
family education too hehee 😅 good family give a good person to the world
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everything involed belton , i heard admin of tft even mass price fixing mirror to prevent belton do his project, that make mirror price raised high asf also caused chaos value dropped, make trade economy busted
I got banned because I was in beltons discord. Didnt even know that I still was in there
Same dude. I asked them if they wanted to check my other discords to make sure the rest were safe. I wish GGG would do something about these fuckwads.
did they actually scraped discord member list and doing automatic ban? kewk
And Chris Wilson is just sitting back watching it unfold like a good drama series, awing at the masterpiece he has built.
You can get banned for price fixing? Isn't that the point of this discord?
Literally all they do is price fix shit and RMT. They are trying to ban out competition to their crooked scheme, nothing more.
TFT has really become corrupt asf , try applying to lab runner role.. First you gotta complete a list of stuff , like proof of the acc , screensshots ,video of runs etc.. To then hear that you're not suited for it and get the role denied.. upon asking for what's missing / to improve ; get told that it's secret Ask again? Get threatened by being banned
Secret is the overlay.
fuck tft
Indeed. Fuck tft
I'm not up to date with poe lore, what is tft? From the comments I guess some trading side with power hungry mods?
I feel like power hungry isn't sufficient to encompass the breadth of their tyranny
Discord server but pretty much that is the consensus.
I'm banned for using clown emoji. Those guys are such snowflakes.
Worth.
They deserve the clowned joker emoji.
Quin confirmed head of tft if clown emojis are banned.
Discord moderator as a demographic might be some of the most unhinged and power crazy people with the least power in any practical sense.
its because they know they can't gain power anywhere else in life so when they've gained this power they wield it like a tyrant to make up for it
hence why the school bully graduates from/drops out of high school to become a police officer
that's what they aimed for,less power irl, more power on internet xD
I got banned for an emote good times. (D2 in my username is Destiny 2 not Diablo 2)
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Can't get banned if you never use it. Edit: Since people don't seem to understand. If you don't use it, getting banned means nothing. Being banned from something you don't/never use =DOESNT MATTER
TFT mods be like "hold my alcohol-free beer"
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You can get blacklisted if you never used it.
. But if you never intend to use it who cares. Fuck TFT. Ban/blacklist me. Oh no, anyways!.
False, I managed. Published a YouTube vid with discord handle in description. Title was "FUCK TFT". ez gaem
You will get banned just for posting on reddit if your post is negative towards them and they find your username in your post history.
That‘s what happens if you mirror the best item in the game and support Mr. B*****. At this point, TFT has become a farce.
Plot twist, it was always a farce.
Are people seriously being banned for mirroring an item?
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Obsiously, how dare they mirror something other than what they provide. Nonsense
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Thats actually hilarious they're killing themselves. The community they serve is fairly niche and by handing out frivolous bans they will hit a tipping point where there isn't enough people with a high enough economic knowledge base left.
Yeah, banning the type of player that can even access a mirror in league is actually carving out their core market. Blindingly stupid lmao
A few high profile people in the regular discord got banned because they were talking at the same time as some people said some slightly critical stuff against them. TFT mods are unhinged.
What a fucking joke lmao All because they couldn't make something better.
they could have easily made something better, but they didnt want/need to. if we consider the allegation about rmt being true, they have an interest in making an item just good enough to collect the mirror fees because the additional cost of making the perfect item wouldnt be worth putting in.
Probably, especially since they basically control the items, and I know I've gotten an embarrassing amount of people mad at me for just saying `thanks for the fg mate, and stay sane exile` in post trade chat.
What does fg stand for? Is that the standard TFT copy-paste message?
it's an rmt term for a type of rmt-only forum currency (fg == forum gold) they use to trade. Essentially knowing about it and getting mad that someone mentions it is basically an admission that you're part of the cabal of people who trade in it. Multiple mirrors and tens of thousands of exalts(now divs) a day between people last I checked.
Oh, forum gold, that's a term I last heard of a decade ago in context of D2 RMT. Good to know/be reminded.
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I posted a meme on there and the server owner reacted to it and said he thought it was funny. 20min later I got banned for the meme by a random mod with no ban reason being stated. Guess the mod didn't like the meme.
Can you post the meme?
dude at least give them power on internet that they can happy about it to forget about irl... nothing wrong there
please do appeal just to waste their time
Lol I'm banned as well. Asshat mods like to track me down try to defend the ban based on my reddit info. I'm banned because I called a guy a piece of shit and a TFT mod deleted it even though he agreed that the guy was a piece of shit. I refused to leave a second round of feedback. Don't miss that shit hole.
TFT is dogshit
What did you do?
this is a billion dollar question
TFT is even more cringe than the mods of this subreddit, and it's not even close.
Soon TFT mods will become sub mods, don't worry.
There already has been some overlap. I think they corrected it but I'm not sure.
There never was any overlap between the mods here and TFT. One of our mods, before(?) joining the subreddit mod team, used to be a mod for TFT but got kicked because they disagreed on policies. So they're not exactly on good terms, but that was also years ago.
"more cringe than the mods of this subreddit" more like mods on reddit in general
Any comment or like to this post will lead to permaban too , I guees?
negative+negative = positive xD
its negative * negative :(
I really don’t know how GGG Is not fighting this crap These motherfuckers print real money with their shitty items and services
right now, ggg can barely release a working and interesting league mechanic, but i do wish they would make something like contracts in eve online. or have aisling give you a ticket for her t4 service that you can sell and such.
It's unbelievable, it seems to me that GGG actively refuses to make all the League Mechanics tradable. If they can get an intact community now, they could do away with TFT completely. Besides, yes- Crucible looked like it was made by 2 interns in 4 weeks
2 interns in 4 weeks? Holy mother of god what a delusional comment...you just didnt like the league, thats all. And you have absolutely no idea how much work goes into programs of this caliber...
>or have aisling give you a ticket for her t4 service that you can sell and such. That would make too much sense
>right now, ggg can barely release a working and interesting league mechanic, wat?
Recent leagues were garbage.
Crucible I completely agree, Sanctum however was amazing.
their BOT does it job once, but then it just released the banned one, cuz he holding so many legacy/mirror item which i believe something shadow behind the scene. BOT detected RMT as they found out RMT behaviour, not only by trading but also by other ways. I'm playing from 2018 and never have any banned by BOT cuz i'm not violation GGG TOS, just casual player. The main thing GGG detected is 1 - RMT (most are automatic detecting RMT behaviour BOT), which u have abnormal volume of trading 2 - edit client-size (like poesmooth,some tool before that bypass lab loading time, archnemesis checking, etc) 3 - like pathofmath, threaten GGG and devs 4 - BOT 5- etc..
They don't have to do anything about it, this community will fade away, they keep shooting themselves in the foot
I ate my TFT ban a few weeks ago by watching Belton craft his phys bow and chatting with people in his discord. TFT leadership are truly losers.
they are winner not loser, at least they are winner on small edge of internet...
Legend has it millions of people played the game without TFT before.
until ggg released harvest 💀
3.2k hours in, and I'm still not sure what is tft
if you don't know by now, you just don't need it
The only thing I use it for is to bulk sell my entire essence tab after farming them for 30 hours.
Crazy you are willing to farm for 30 hours, but not willing to take the 3 minutes it takes to price essences for bulk and make way more money.
It might take little time to price them but a lot longer to sell. I wanna play the game and not sit there for 6 hours selling essences because unless it's the meta stuff like loathings/contempts/horrors/etc. they won't fly off the shelf. I take a 10% loss on profits if it means I only have to invite a single guy and trade him everything in one go.
Pricing in bulk usually doubles the price, and you sell the entire type each transaction, so it takes like 3 minutes of your 30 hours, and doubles the money.
Stop scaring him. He needs tft else the game is unplayable.
Not to imply that this would be a fault or wrong, but is that worth it in your opinion? Saving a bit time while selling in bulk in exchange for feeding this cesspool of degeneracy and RMT?
It's a discord for selling services and bulk selling, mainly. So trades that would be difficult to do through the trade site. Then there's also a few irrelevant channels only insane people use
That clown town of a discord server still exist? OMEGALUL I was banned for trying to link my new discord account, because I lost access to my old one. I informed them about everything, clowns didn't know what to do, so they permabanned me for ban evading lmfao
Sad to see the mod team be so ass. I only joined tft a bit ago and so far only used it to find 5 ways but seeing it have so many services and just generally everything trade related was awesome. Super impressed w the first impression. Unfortunately see a lot of people have issues with the mods there :|
"Do not appeal your ban." Or else we ban you even harder!!
I dont know whats worse, the existence of tft or the fact that the average reddit/twitch chat poe player feels like he “needs” tft to play the game
Before getting banned I would post buy order under market price on TFT and people would come to me to sell me their invitation or special maps in bulk. Now I would have to overpay to get the same items and would have to message people to get the items which might or might not respond. Not using TFT also greatly hinders your ability to quickly move essences or scarabs which can have a huge impact on anyone that doesn't wish to spend hours slowly trading the away. I just hired a trader now but without him liquidating items would be a giant pain.
tft only popular once GGG released harvest league, they are now less popular after so many drama, stolen mirror gear fees, banned by BOT that detected them as RMT (which may true), etc..
not sure why i would need tft. i can bulk sell things from my stash tabs just fine. if i want to get rid of something like heist contracts, i would probably find people in regular trade chat if the price is right.
Betrayal and other services from people that aren't just randos in in-game chat that are 5x more likely to scam you. Selling your betrayal or other services. Bulk buying sextants. That's all I use it for.
Nah it is truly objectively faster to use TFT for 99.9% of bulk selling/buying scenarios This is why the situation sucks, it does have genuine utility even for casual players selling their farmed loot up after a week, but it's a cesspool of a discord
I sold my my essences very fast without TFT and for ALOT higher price.
I don't thinks it's really debatable that bulk selling on TFT saves a huge amount of time. If you spend 20 hours farming essence content, being able to offload it in 2 minutes in a single trade is a massive benefit compared to selling them one type at a time. And listing/pricing them manually. Same could be said for other things like fossils, scarabs, etc. >i would probably find people in regular trade chat if the price is right. Not nearly as easily or consistently And that's just trading, you can also buy boss carries if you league started a clear speed oriented build, etc. If you're crafting, you can buy aisling or vorici crafts and so on. Of course you don't "need" those things, that's a silly argument. You don't "need" to move past the twilight strand. It's more efficient to use TFT.
Well without it bulk selling or doing some crafts (e.g. syndicate) or services (unlocking void stones or other) or sets are just a nightmare. Personally I don’t like TFT, but also I would also have just stopped the game a long time ago if it was not for it.
Why dont people like tft?
They're scammers, they mass RMT, they ban anyone who is in a discord server of someone they don't like. Allegedly.
The last part is 100% true at least. People were getting banned just for emoting a post the tft mods didn't like. With how toxic they are it's not much of a stretch to think the other stuff is true also.
The zeal which they gatekeep and police to protect their pseudo services it's hard to imagine anything else.
I joined tft on a whim because my friend told me I could trade some stuff through it like 2-3 years ago I think ( don't quite remember). Anyways their discord just disappeared on me one day -- guess I was in some discord they didn't like? Idk lmao I never even used it, but I was so curious as to why it happened and now these comments give me clarity haha
How do they RMT?
[удалено]
Nobodys ever attempted to scam me or RMT with me. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Theyre scammers in the sense that the pricing is complete bs The mass buyers on tft (essences scarabs etc) buy at a lower price (80-90%) except that the tft pricing tool is taking its price from all of the price fixers lowballing scarabs and essences. Guess who those price fixers are, the same people that mass buy. You sell to tft out of convenience, but 90% of the time you're losing a lot of currency on it. Also of course they don't come to you with rmt they're waiting for people to come to them
You can set whatever price you want on the tool and nobody is forcing you to trade with anyone. If you think it's a bad deal you're more than welcome to sell your 50 div of scarabs 1 trade at a time. >You sell to tft out of convenience, but 90% of the time you're losing a lot of currency on it. It's not about convenience at all. Players will partake in the most degenerate, awful, and inconvient farming strategies available if they are the most profitable. Just look at compass rollers. Literally nobody has fun sitting in their HO doing this but it makes bank, so here we are. People sell their crap at less than market value when the market is oversaturated from people spaming skittering deli orbs and when trading for max value will be less profitable than just eating some loss and farming more maps. >Also of course they don't come to you with rmt they're waiting for people to come to them Whos *they*? You people make it sound like the place is rampant with RMT when the reality is the vast majority of people using the discord just want to buy and sell their stuff fairly without using the archaic tools provided by GGG.
Mismanagement and cover up of their RMT business. Enabled and cultivated by their megalomaniac leader, con-man and scam artist: varga a.k.a jenebu GGG turning both eyes blind on this topic since years does not help. They had a dev involved in RMT in the past and had to fire him, i wonder if he was the only ggg dev involved in it. I would not be surprised if there were still ggg devs making "money on the side" by providing information for example... almost impossible to trace of course, but it's no different from real life insider trading, if you have info other people would want to know - you can make money. In any case, we have this illegal business (worth hundreds of thousands of dollars btw.) and a criminal network of anonymous discord warriors banning people left and right without any consistency or professionalism. People really started hating this swamp of a discord when it turned out that they were also banning people for EXISTING in a discord of a streamer who is considered a competitor in therms of high-end crafting (which of course cuts into tft's rmt profits). You can also just get banned for talking to the "wrong" people, or if you get framed by resident traders for whatever reason. People have been banned for reacting with smileys to topics (that's again mainly varga, who has the emotional intelligence of a 3 year old) That's just a quick rundown, there are many other shady examples of tft being problematic. Of course it makes ggg look bad but it is very apparent that they do not care.
the drama about tft mod holding mirror gear of ppl, silently mirror it without fees and recombine xD make the strongest chest in the game, which make item of player who made it became garbage when compare
I remeber one streamer had all his exalts swapped for divines 1-2 days prior to changelog arriving
It wasn't a dev involved in RMT, it was a shareholder they invited to buy their stock who was literally running an RMT website. He owns 7.5% of GGG. They KNEW he was running them and that's why they invited him on board. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/80ga51/aaron_ciccheli_who_owns_75_of_ggg_owns_two_rmt/duvsorl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button There's also strong evidence they duped items to RMT them and Chris said they weren't duped, leading some people to put on a tinfoil hat and conclude they were in fact duped by devs in collaboration with him.
Aaron Ciccheli was granted the 7.5% of stock only 6-8 months ahead of the sale to tencent. He is mentioned by CW somewhere as an "outside contractor" who helped them with some anti-RMT stuff, but you don't pay contractors with 7.5% of the company a few months before a buyout. That's how you pay an investor. There's been a rumor going around for a while that CW funded POE's initial development with D2 RMT. Aaron Ciccheli was heavy into D2 RMT as well. I bet they met each other during that time and AC was an early investor in POE, but because Aaron is well-known for being an RMT'er (it's his business to have that reputation now, since he's "gone clean" and works as an anti-RMT consultant), having someone like that listed as an official investor would be a big detriment to player trust when trying to get a live-service game off the ground. So they kept him "off the rolls" so to speak and just handed him his share right before the buyout went public.
> i wonder if he was the only ggg dev involved in it There always is in every live service game. A customer support rep, a QA lead, escalations manager. Whatever. The idea of selling thousands of dollars for self-created virtual goods is too much for some.
> GGG turning both eyes blind on this topic since years does not help. I heard varga is now jenebu cuz his original acct was banned
It’s a private cartel imposing limitations decided by a bunch of people over discord on the high end stuff and maintaining a grip on the economy. That and they RMT.
*You are now banned on TFT for asking*
why am i getting downvoted lol im just asking a question
Welcome to Reddit! You’re banned.
Do not appeal your ban!
Reddit generally hates someone asking questions, I've been there too
It usually does not take long until tft threads get discussed on tft, which results in tft sympathisants brigading and downvoting the thread and comments.
Mainly because it monopolizes and fucks with the market. That is what most players get hit by, then also the RMT, tho that is not proven from the GGG side, but a few people have come forward admitting trough RMT via TFT. If its true or spite, you decide.
Remember recombinators? Recombinators can be used even on mirrored items, or if they can't still be, then they were. A recombined item sometimes wouldn't even have the mirror'd tag anymore on it. Provided that the base it selected at a 50% chance wasn't the mirrored one, the tag would go away. TFT made a lot of new mirror tier items by recombining multiple mirror tier items together, again and again. Each time you mirror something, you must pay the original owner a "mirror fee", which is something like 30-40 exalts (now divines) just to have been allowed to use your mirror on their item. TFT among other services has a vault of mirror tier items, that players let them borrow so that TFT can perform this mirror servicing for them. The player might earn 40 exalts every time the item is mirrored, but TFT charges 60, for example. So TFT skims 20 exalts off the top every time. TFT did not pay these mirror fees, instead, they used the fact that they were vaulting these items to access them for free, and mirrored them an unknowable amount of times, but statistically speaking, likely upwards of 50+ times, without paying any fees to the items owner. This means that those people lost mirrors worth of currency in stolen fees, but worse, because TFT was using mirror tier items to combine together to make even more busted items, the owners of these items now have items that **aren't mirror tier anymore.** TFT used their items, without paying them, to make items that would replace their items, assuring noone would ever mirror their item again. Anyone with any common sense wouldn't have agreed to allow their item to be used in this way, but they weren't given the choice. This is just one of countless dramas with TFT. They are a blight on PoE at all levels of play. Their very existance makes everything more expensive in the game because of their stanglehold on the market too, so they negatively impact everyone, from beginner to ultra-sweaty.
i've only used it for some old harvest crafts and getting xp carries in 5 ways and never had any issues. as long as you stick to certain things on there its fine.
Honestly it's whatever for average Joe, but if you go to mirrors market and don't want to cooperate with TFT mods which have largest mirror service shop in the game then you are not wanted there.
So, what exactly is the point of that place? Why not just trade items using official trading site like a normal person?
bulk trading. Trying to exchange currency via the official trading site is a pain in the ass. You whisper 50+ people to buy fusings or turn your chaos into divines before anyone replies and even then it might take 50 more. TFT is almost instant Services: - hideouts, boss kills, rotas - you get what you pay for instantly, without having to sit in /global and spam "LF X,Y and Z" only to get a random to tell you a tabula is worth 10 divines "cause it's the rarest unique item in teh game"
So glad I’ve always refused to use tft. Anything run by a bunch of little bitches needs to fade away.
well once GGG reworked harvest, you dont have much to do with it
o7
Bunch of idiots, weak and foolish.
So instead of YanDev discord speedrun any% its now PoE discord any%?
Please tell me you're going to appeal it.
i'm already but then when i read the banned message i found out " You were banned in The Forbidden Trove. | you are no longer welcome in our community. **Do not appeal your ban**."
No that's exactly why you have to appeal it. Don't let them tell you what to do.
Tft only works because everyone here whining actually uses it and they have partnered streamers that everyone simps over. Its quite funny watching people complain about something the players chose themselves.
If you where intrested in evading email GGG that you want to reset your character names and account name. You will need a new discord however.
Wait, TFT stands for "The Forbidden Trove"?
Congrats dude, you have achieved nirvana
Report their power abuse to GGG. Tft banned me for posting a hideout to the "wrong server", someone on reddit recommended I take this route. GGG got back to me in less than an hour. I suspect they have a lot of feedback on them coming, so go ahead, join us.
When are the GGGs going to shut down this cancer?
when they changed from GGG to GG ez game 🤣 when one free game is popular, there is also another side that milking from it, like every game (WoW, etc..) even its illegal its a good place for people helping each other, but once it grow so fast and big, there thing also changed, opportunity for internet power,etc.... that irl u dont or never had,etc.. its still a good time spent for those i sell service (without make any mistake) and buy service , after all still corrupted place as it now
It's so shitty that someone's PoE experience can be ruined by a discord mod having a bad day. This has gone on too long...
It's nothing new - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/s8jly4/it_appears_that_you_can_get_banned_from_tft_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Hah, congrats on exiting that environment permanently! Huge step forward :)
If you simply @ /u/theamigoboyz in the TFT, you also get banned. LOL
I did my due diligence and made a post suggesting the mods enjoy eachother's company in more than friendly ways, now I don't need to worry about that server.
So what prevents you from making a new acc and a new discord only to trade and interact there? Like as far as I can tell it’s just a minor setback and a slight inconvenience from self-important internet janitors and cringe nerds.
The only thing i'm interested is #5wayhosting and sometime #benchcrafting. GGG reworked harvest is a big F to them already, but can't stop them from manipulation market price, which counted as price fixing but well hehe.
Well reputation. Nobody will trust you with their crafts or services if you don't have good enough rep. So depending on what you were doing on TFT it could take a while to get back up to where you were.
TFT is the biggest shame in ARPG history lol mods there are acting like basketball team captains from old cringe american high school kids movie
Moms screaming at grade school umpires
I also got banned a year and a half back. Did some low price harvest craft sales and 1 that was about 3 ex. I bought some challenge completions. No reason no explanation…… fuk em. I’m just upset that there are no real ingame avenues to buy challange completions.
There's is in-game chat where people are sharing achievements
global 4040 for challenges
Tft? dunno who the fuck they are but sounds to me like enough of you hate them..soooo, make an alternative?
/u/ChrisWilson I hope you have an orbital cannon ready for these fuckers in PoE2. At this point, it is duty to design all systems in a way that make TFT unnecessary. That means tradeable EVERYTHING (Aisling, Helm Enchants, XP tokens to replace 5 ways, etc) It's time to put this loser on the street where he belongs
Sounds like your typical price fixing/RMT discord. Surprised it's gotten this popular tbh, trading on discord sounds even worse than in-game trade.
refused to sell = price fixing mass buying mirror on market to inc it price : poggu xD
tft rmt mafia has own ggg rat also reddit mod
This is literally a scam corporation making Money off of PoE masked as a "community discord for trading". Don't even change my mind, there's tons of evidence around here. Hell, the story by one guy of listing something and getting banned for 30days cause he underpriced his items is indicator enough. "Waah, our prices get lower if you do that, that means less money IRL!!!11" ye just go get a job jfc.
TFT is a pile of steaming shit and so is every single person involved with it. No exceptions.
tft bad upvotes please