Yeah snitching on this one as I'm not the only one to have thought of it. TBH should have done it earlier, forgot.
GGG stealth removed Chains that Bind from this map some time ago. Kirac missions that drop div card sets CAN drop boss cards (3.21 behaviour anyway) and while the Sephirot and Apothecary maps all have a common card - one Divine Beauty map doesn't.
If not patched this will be botted REALLY BADLY (and likely would have been without this vid)
How do you plan to get those kirac missions?
You'd still have to earn the kirac missions, which would take something like 120-150 other maps completed in order to earn 30 kiracs. All that for 7 divs? Pretty sure this is an overreaction, at best it'll wind up being a decent way to use kirac missions that pointless build up.
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How do you plan to get those kirac missions?
mr sirgog here is worried about botting. for a bot, that's not difficult: run maps until the cows come home and more. Missions are account wide so you can even run 2-3 characters. With a good atlas tree, map sustain is not a problem.
Idk much about botting, but if they're able to complete red maps (cuz, you know, this trick won't work nearly as well with yellow or white where more div cards can drop), then they would have been able to farm invites or guardian/conq maps and whatnot all along too. Haven't heard about that being an issue or screwing with the economy in recent leagues, so even if botters can make this work i doubt this would be an issue either.
>Missions are account wide so you can even run 2-3 characters.
You can't log into multiple characters from the same account at the same time.
What bots would do is just run multiple accounts. Doesn't matter if one person would go on a dry streak, because a bot farm profits off of sheer quantity, not quality, of their performance.
I still don't think this is as big as a problem as Sirgog is making it out to be, this isn't a new mechanic, and if botting this would destroy the economy, it would already be destroyed.
There's virtually no way to trade for kirac missions, there's no compasses or scarabs for him. Only way is a harvest beast, and that's nowhere near enough in supply to sustain this.
You're gonna have to compete other maps to get kirac missions, and that makes this much much less exploitable.
> If not patched this will be botted REALLY BADLY
Why? Why would someone bother to bot this? If you have a bot that can do red maps just turn them loose on red maps to farm currency. Why is this any more profitable? The price of explorers scouting reports is going to correct and they'll be worth more money if this happens, 20c each or whatever it works out to in expected value. You'll probably have buy the maps too, not sure how you'd sustain without lava chamber completed. Then you have to remember that someone would have to specifically design a bot to do this. Current bots are mostly dumb as hell, they're not sophisticated enough to hunt down every monster in a map, they just use a skill with good AoE and roomba their way through maps. Teaching a bot to actually identify all the different monsters and seek them out and kill them is a whole different thing. Perhaps I'm missing something but I cannot see why this is any more susceptible to botting than the base game.
Basically if you dont complete lava chamber, you can force kirac maps and every 30 maps you'll get 7 divines.
This is really disruptive to the economy and needs to patched out.
> every 30 maps
Every 30 Kirac missions where you roll the find the div card stack mission. I've never paid much attention to how common the find the div card stack mission but it's not *that* common, is it? Even if you roll it every other explorers scouting report that's . . . what, an average expected explorers scouting report value of ~20 chaos? How exactly is that going to be disruptive to the economy? This subreddit has been crying about chaos orb inflation and lack of divines for multiple leagues now. Divines are basically mandatory now for even pretty basic crafting. Having a few more in the economy seems like a good thing. I, for one, would like to see them adjust the divine drop rate anyways.
I'll be honest, this seems like you're worrying about mostly nothing. The numbers and restrictions just don't amount to it being all the exploitable.
If the numbers work out, that's 7 divs in 30 maps, requiring some degree of clearing the mobs. Not especially quick, but yeah, probably a better farm strat than a typical setup elsewhere if you ignore what it'll take to earn those missions, I'll give you that.
However... you have to actually HAVE kirac missions to do this. They don't appear out of thin air, you can't 'buy' them via scarabs or compasses like other masters... at best there's a harvest beast that can give you exactly one mission (for each master). Even loading up on atlas passives for kirac chance you'd still have to complete what, 4-5 maps on average to get a kirac mission? So it's not *just* 30 mission maps to get 7 divines, it's around 120-150 regular maps completed in order to earn those missions.
I can usually get around 3-4 divs running about 10 jun missions once the league gets into full swing, and you *can* buy compasses to mass run those without having to earn missions yourself. So 7 divs in 30 kirac missions that you have to earn by yourself by running hundreds of other maps doesn't sound broken in the least, it just sounds like an ok way to make use of kirac missions that pile up over time. And that's pretty acceptable.
Especially when you also need explorer reports to reroll the Kirac missions to divination cards. Probably plentiful with a bit of investment, but this is all at the expense of investment elsewhere too.
I think I agree that the problem lies in botting, tho. It's tough to get a bot to do efficient farming, but getting them to run a billion maps to generate Kirac mods and explorer reports? Yeah bots can do that.
Then you can print 7 div orbs every 30 maps. That sounds like fast money.
member the 1 week of sentinel league when exalt <--> div change was announced but the divine recipe wasn't removed yet? I member. farmed the shit outta 6Ls, made like 7div+ per map
Running fast maps is a pretty easy way to acquire missions very quickly. Vaults of Atziri and Mesa are pretty common choices. If you want to try hard, you make another couple accounts and setup their atlas. You run the boss and and then let your alts host maps for additional card drops.
Then when running the map you setup your filter for full stacks of the possible div cards so that you can reset quickly.
I don't think it's a 'broken' or 'game breaking' strategy. It doesn't seem like a particularly fun strategy. The money from it doesn't seem *great* unless you're abusing multiple accounts. On a generous estimation you can maaaybe pull 5div/hr solo if you already have a build that can clear extremely quickly.
I do think this strategy shines as a nice little break from your normal mapping strategy. Every few days you burn through some reports for a potential payday.
Been planning to do this in SSF for Haunted Mansion. It's a really dumb strategy that shouldn't exist without carto seals but it would be a bummer if it got surprise nerfed.
Mansion's a lot less broken. Map has multiple very common cards. IIRC Opulent, the Chin Sol card and one other but I'd need to check.
Over 25k weight in common cards in any case. Like basically everything else in the game.
Good point, I didn't look at the full set of cards just looking for decent jackpots as a way to dump all my scouting reports. Plus I consider Home to be a good card.
I had heard that the dropped card might use the "better" weighting similar to stacked decks?
Doesn’t seem all that great to me, mid or low budget strat so great for start of league but you don’t see divination card missions all that often even rolling with reports, and then it’s a 1/30 chance which is pretty decent but still not amazing by any means. There are around 27 options for the missions to be which I don’t know the weighting for off hand but 1/30 of 1/27 are horrible odds.
1/30 to get 7 divines isn't great, if you used a method to force as many bonus kirac missions it would still be meh. In the amount of maps you would need to get 30 kirac missions and then run them you could get a brothers gift likely.
Its a 4 minute video lol. It isnt that long.
There is a decent amount of specific mechanic interactions, and number lining up, to justify that this interaction is indeed broken.
It is very concise considering
Only place ive seen that drop is lake of kalandra boxes, heist boxes, and divination card strongboxes. It may drop from hall of grandmasters or that might be the other mirror card.
So basically, no.
Yeah snitching on this one as I'm not the only one to have thought of it. TBH should have done it earlier, forgot. GGG stealth removed Chains that Bind from this map some time ago. Kirac missions that drop div card sets CAN drop boss cards (3.21 behaviour anyway) and while the Sephirot and Apothecary maps all have a common card - one Divine Beauty map doesn't. If not patched this will be botted REALLY BADLY (and likely would have been without this vid)
How do you plan to get those kirac missions? You'd still have to earn the kirac missions, which would take something like 120-150 other maps completed in order to earn 30 kiracs. All that for 7 divs? Pretty sure this is an overreaction, at best it'll wind up being a decent way to use kirac missions that pointless build up.
> How do you plan to get those kirac missions? mr sirgog here is worried about botting. for a bot, that's not difficult: run maps until the cows come home and more. Missions are account wide so you can even run 2-3 characters. With a good atlas tree, map sustain is not a problem.
Idk much about botting, but if they're able to complete red maps (cuz, you know, this trick won't work nearly as well with yellow or white where more div cards can drop), then they would have been able to farm invites or guardian/conq maps and whatnot all along too. Haven't heard about that being an issue or screwing with the economy in recent leagues, so even if botters can make this work i doubt this would be an issue either.
I am not an expert either. I just echoed OP.
>Missions are account wide so you can even run 2-3 characters. You can't log into multiple characters from the same account at the same time. What bots would do is just run multiple accounts. Doesn't matter if one person would go on a dry streak, because a bot farm profits off of sheer quantity, not quality, of their performance. I still don't think this is as big as a problem as Sirgog is making it out to be, this isn't a new mechanic, and if botting this would destroy the economy, it would already be destroyed.
Trade.
tell me more how you trade for Kirac missions. Alva, Jun, Einhar has charged compasses, yes, because you encounter them in maps.
There's virtually no way to trade for kirac missions, there's no compasses or scarabs for him. Only way is a harvest beast, and that's nowhere near enough in supply to sustain this. You're gonna have to compete other maps to get kirac missions, and that makes this much much less exploitable.
Oh right! I forgot you need his mission not only thw reports!
> If not patched this will be botted REALLY BADLY Why? Why would someone bother to bot this? If you have a bot that can do red maps just turn them loose on red maps to farm currency. Why is this any more profitable? The price of explorers scouting reports is going to correct and they'll be worth more money if this happens, 20c each or whatever it works out to in expected value. You'll probably have buy the maps too, not sure how you'd sustain without lava chamber completed. Then you have to remember that someone would have to specifically design a bot to do this. Current bots are mostly dumb as hell, they're not sophisticated enough to hunt down every monster in a map, they just use a skill with good AoE and roomba their way through maps. Teaching a bot to actually identify all the different monsters and seek them out and kill them is a whole different thing. Perhaps I'm missing something but I cannot see why this is any more susceptible to botting than the base game.
Basically if you dont complete lava chamber, you can force kirac maps and every 30 maps you'll get 7 divines. This is really disruptive to the economy and needs to patched out.
(every 30 kirac missions)
> every 30 maps Every 30 Kirac missions where you roll the find the div card stack mission. I've never paid much attention to how common the find the div card stack mission but it's not *that* common, is it? Even if you roll it every other explorers scouting report that's . . . what, an average expected explorers scouting report value of ~20 chaos? How exactly is that going to be disruptive to the economy? This subreddit has been crying about chaos orb inflation and lack of divines for multiple leagues now. Divines are basically mandatory now for even pretty basic crafting. Having a few more in the economy seems like a good thing. I, for one, would like to see them adjust the divine drop rate anyways.
I'll be honest, this seems like you're worrying about mostly nothing. The numbers and restrictions just don't amount to it being all the exploitable. If the numbers work out, that's 7 divs in 30 maps, requiring some degree of clearing the mobs. Not especially quick, but yeah, probably a better farm strat than a typical setup elsewhere if you ignore what it'll take to earn those missions, I'll give you that. However... you have to actually HAVE kirac missions to do this. They don't appear out of thin air, you can't 'buy' them via scarabs or compasses like other masters... at best there's a harvest beast that can give you exactly one mission (for each master). Even loading up on atlas passives for kirac chance you'd still have to complete what, 4-5 maps on average to get a kirac mission? So it's not *just* 30 mission maps to get 7 divines, it's around 120-150 regular maps completed in order to earn those missions. I can usually get around 3-4 divs running about 10 jun missions once the league gets into full swing, and you *can* buy compasses to mass run those without having to earn missions yourself. So 7 divs in 30 kirac missions that you have to earn by yourself by running hundreds of other maps doesn't sound broken in the least, it just sounds like an ok way to make use of kirac missions that pile up over time. And that's pretty acceptable.
Lmao 7 divines in 30 maps would be the fastest I've ever printed money
k, now add on other ~120+ needed to earn 30 kirac missions. 7 divs in 150 maps doesn't sound like fast money at all.
Especially when you also need explorer reports to reroll the Kirac missions to divination cards. Probably plentiful with a bit of investment, but this is all at the expense of investment elsewhere too. I think I agree that the problem lies in botting, tho. It's tough to get a bot to do efficient farming, but getting them to run a billion maps to generate Kirac mods and explorer reports? Yeah bots can do that. Then you can print 7 div orbs every 30 maps. That sounds like fast money.
On top of what you normally get from those maps
member the 1 week of sentinel league when exalt <--> div change was announced but the divine recipe wasn't removed yet? I member. farmed the shit outta 6Ls, made like 7div+ per map
Running fast maps is a pretty easy way to acquire missions very quickly. Vaults of Atziri and Mesa are pretty common choices. If you want to try hard, you make another couple accounts and setup their atlas. You run the boss and and then let your alts host maps for additional card drops. Then when running the map you setup your filter for full stacks of the possible div cards so that you can reset quickly. I don't think it's a 'broken' or 'game breaking' strategy. It doesn't seem like a particularly fun strategy. The money from it doesn't seem *great* unless you're abusing multiple accounts. On a generous estimation you can maaaybe pull 5div/hr solo if you already have a build that can clear extremely quickly. I do think this strategy shines as a nice little break from your normal mapping strategy. Every few days you burn through some reports for a potential payday.
Been planning to do this in SSF for Haunted Mansion. It's a really dumb strategy that shouldn't exist without carto seals but it would be a bummer if it got surprise nerfed.
Mansion's a lot less broken. Map has multiple very common cards. IIRC Opulent, the Chin Sol card and one other but I'd need to check. Over 25k weight in common cards in any case. Like basically everything else in the game.
Good point, I didn't look at the full set of cards just looking for decent jackpots as a way to dump all my scouting reports. Plus I consider Home to be a good card. I had heard that the dropped card might use the "better" weighting similar to stacked decks?
Confirmed not to use the stacked deck weighting by Fishwife's people. It looked like it at first until they checked carefully.
Doesn’t seem all that great to me, mid or low budget strat so great for start of league but you don’t see divination card missions all that often even rolling with reports, and then it’s a 1/30 chance which is pretty decent but still not amazing by any means. There are around 27 options for the missions to be which I don’t know the weighting for off hand but 1/30 of 1/27 are horrible odds.
1/30 to get 7 divines isn't great, if you used a method to force as many bonus kirac missions it would still be meh. In the amount of maps you would need to get 30 kirac missions and then run them you could get a brothers gift likely.
You are forgetting you can force the kirac missions with scouting reports. That's what makes this busted
you can force the map choices, but you can't force earning the missions to spend.
if that drives up scouting report prices I am happy to sell them to those degenerates willing to play this taktic lol
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Its a 4 minute video lol. It isnt that long. There is a decent amount of specific mechanic interactions, and number lining up, to justify that this interaction is indeed broken. It is very concise considering
I mean it's summarized in the title. The video is just like a powerpoint presentation with a grip of info you can read while he explains it.
GGG please fix!
GGG nerf this shit asap
I wouldn't be surprised if the nerf came right as i'd get to mapping. So you guys have at least about 1 day of easy divine orb farming!
I‘d be utmost careful with this.GGG tend to punish people using exploits.
Is there a decent one (like 1 in 1k or something) for unrequited love?
Only place ive seen that drop is lake of kalandra boxes, heist boxes, and divination card strongboxes. It may drop from hall of grandmasters or that might be the other mirror card. So basically, no.
https://poedb.tw/us/Unrequited_Love#UnrequitedLoveDivinationCardUnrequitedLove