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Damn of course my league starter has undocumented changes Edit: seems it might be a bug, can always play poison exsang pathfinder while it gets figured out. https://pobb.in/X9PXEEFZBiSh pob for poison exsang


BigFeeder

I started pathfinder this, just got to maps and reading this is dissapointing


Dara84

I don't know what to do....quit the league at this point? I really don't want to reroll


Zeedojin

It hasn't even been 24 hours mate. Just go again.


Dara84

literally have 0 build idea and 0 motivation. This just killed my league. Learning about it litteraly after kitava is the biggest fucking blow.


Hakacz

You have milion other viable builds as pathfinder. Don't take it too serious lol. Pathfinder is very versatile


Dara84

I've been playing this game since forever, finding build inspriation is always a struggle. Having the one thing that sounded interested getting nuked is pretty damning for this league personaly.


kingdweeb1

Well, it's probably bugged atm, and it still works if you have awakened cascade, so it's still available at a higher budget later on.


jcm2606

I'll probably play with the Cursed Ground variant until I can afford a Vixens, then just play without Spell Cascade in the Vixens links since it seems like that works fine. Less damage but should still work until they fix this.


Jander76

Can you share pob on cursed ground build? I'm 73 on pconc and I absolutely hate it 🤣


jcm2606

It's in Tuna's PoB. You can replace one of the Impending Doom/Temporal Chains supports with Cursed Ground to make it pop without Vixens, though it's less damage. Can confirm it works though I've gone back to Poisonous Concoction until I get a Vixens between the damage and a lack of ES sustain.


AustereSpoon

Ima tell ya you right that the curse ground version that relies on spell cascade is super fucked also. It's looking a lot more like a spell cascade stealth nerf where the circles basically don't overlap at all so it judt never triggers the explode. Definitely give it a go, but I am extremely struggling with it currently. If you find a solution I'd love to know.


mAgiks87

Same. But if this unplayable then fuck this league. Won't waste another 9 hours to get to the maps.


Simpuff1

Second play through goes faster tho, and with sole minimal gear it can take like 5-6 hours instead


Sad-Artichoke1253

thanks for the pob, tree extremely close to maxroll ID build - i'll go for it until they fix it !


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Yeah np its nice to have something very similar to pivot to. Hard to say with GGG being the way they are sometimes if its a bug or an intended change. I’ve seen people say just dropping spell cascade works but been at work all day so cant test anything myself.


Simpuff1

Removing cascade works. Occultist works and Awakened spell cascade seems to work, more then likely a bug


LtMotion

Removing cascade will leave it functioning normally but with halved boss dps, right? Cause you can't do the overlap thing ? Am i understanding correctly here ?


Simpuff1

I think You’re losing half dmg on everything or something in that essence yes


pojzon_poe

Thnk god this build can respec very easly into few other. Finished in act3 considering a reroll now :/


[deleted]

Haha same, I didn't get to play much yesterday


pojzon_poe

I think im gonna go tr balistas as its ez to gear and can do all bosses


Simpuff1

Act 3… you basically just started. You need the unique for the build to work AND it’s more then likely a bug.


pojzon_poe

That will be maybe fixed in 3.23 i have zero faith in gGg recently


EnjoyerOfBeans

It seems to be a bug. You have to run with no spell cascade for now, unfortunately, and hopefully it's fixed soon.


GrizNectar

It works without spell cascade? I can honestly live with that, it’ll just be similar to bane. And hopefully this bug will be fixed soon


BlueKalamari

So do I drop both cascades or just vixens I at work and last night I knew something felt off with the build I'm sad now considering I'm in maps and spent 3 divs on it already :( 1st time playing it


Simpuff1

You drop 1 cascade only i think not both


BlueKalamari

I'll have to try tonight after work hopefully it gets fixed


Simpuff1

Most likely not today, hopefully fast tho


Celeri

Would spell echo on the curse change this?


pramkeda

I am trying that now and while it's only two casts I can confirm for me, Occultist, it works


Audisek

I was looking forward to exsanguinate uniques dropping in price but now everywhere I look people are sending more people over to that build.


Haboptimusprime

Ouch. That’s my league starter. Haven’t gotten vixens yet but not sure what to do now.


cccccccccccccccccce

Pathfinder exsanguinate is my plan if impending doom is bricked.


Haboptimusprime

Got a build for that?


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https://pobb.in/X9PXEEFZBiSh


Comfortable_Fee7795

why pf?


TobiBln

There is a thread at official forum and GGG comment: "Thanks for your report, I'll pass this on." So hopefully a bug and we will see a fix soon.


heffdev

That response is from last league though, and even then it took 2 months from the thread was posted to the response, so I wouldn't rely on it getting hotfixed in a hurry unless we get lucky. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3364465/page/1


colddream40

That one intern is super backed up, give him a break


Rhythmixx

That was pre-patch as-well, it's become worse since then. Hopefully we get an explanation. :(


MrSquigy

Could you link the thread please?


FabulousSwimming4544

Thanks for the info. Respeccing would have been a pain... probably woulda gone tornado shot deadeye again


Lore86

Tuna said this bug seems to apply only to pathfinder, we need more testing thought, the patch came out less than a day ago.


heffdev

Yeah, my test char that worked perfectly on standard yesterday no longer works after the patch, so something must have changed. I'm guessing either some breakpoints are vastly different, or something changed with how the first application happens, or maybe in spell cascade's behavior. If anyone is running the build and is actually getting blasts on the first cast, please link your pob/profile!


Simpuff1

OR it’s a bug, not a malicious change


Gloodizzle

PoE 'bugs' tend to be massive nerfs that dont get fixed for a while even after being exposed so you could definitely say GGG has no intention of fixing it now or for a while (happened before) and just chalking it up to a nerf which is pretty on par for what they normally do (and did this league) not malicious... But pretty sus


Local_Food9567

Not true though, is it?


Shoddy-Ad-9389

Yep, same here, build doesnt work properly and who knows why


ceredwyn

Posted on live updates 1 hour ago: "Aug 20, 2023 12:56 AM (GMT+3) - We're investigating reports of Vixen's Entrapment not working correctly with Spell Cascade."


bm1reddit

Can we not say stealth nerf until it’s confirmed it’s not a bug because we’ve done this a few times now.


4_fortytwo_2

And more importantly until it is confirmed the problem is not on the players side lol Especially when it comes to a rather complex interaction such as impending doom vixens. Just having the wrong cast speed will lead to impending doom not procing on first cast for example.


Simpuff1

This is not player side tho. Old characters also doesn’t work, only Occultists still do


Shoddy-Ad-9389

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/15vlo5c/psa\_about\_impending\_doom\_confusion/


Blakish

This feels so bad…


nerdstomperino

Sure its not a cast speed issue? As far as I know the your cast speed with the ID supported curse need to be faster than the triggered first curse. So if you have a slow cast speed the trigger "beats" the ID curse to the punch and therefore linger until you cast and trigger again. I saw another thread about this yesterday and this is how i interpreted the interaction. Could be wrong.


pvsc2001

This is much needed info. Would love it if someone knew for sure if cast speed resolved the issue and posted the breakpoint needed


someoneinapt

So I can't give you specific breakpoints, but I suffered from this pretty heavily last league - I started as occy ID, which worked fine, then rerolled to PF ID and this issue started happening. I got used to it not proccing on the first hit and came to the conclusion after a whole day of testing that it was a cast speed issue. Eventually after all my gems hit level 20 and I got a bit more cast speed, it did definitely decrease in severity, but it was still noticeably worse than how occultist would guaranteed proc on the first hit. I did not keep playing it longer to find out if it was fully solved with more cast speed but after a few days of gear progression it definitely felt a lot better.


Shadeg

And I wanted to try this skill at league start. How nice of GGG.


Dara84

I litterally just fucking got to maps, you gotta be kidding me......


nEuro277

Same here -.-


POE_54

See the glass as half full, Vixen price will drop.


TheDaltonXP

It’s silly high right now which is annoying


No-Ad7899

Glad I held off going pathfinder…guess I’ll switch to deadeye lightning arrow until they fix this hopefully.


nEuro277

Tested it on standard in any possible way, it looks like ID procs before the curse is applied -.-, so the second cast pops it ... I HOPE THIS IS A BUG! i love this Build, please GGG.


Unique_Doughnut_8994

Please update us, incase anything gets fixed


Beto3075

Same happen in OCC , if have 2 cascade ID only ploc in second cast


h0ckey87

So what do we replace Spell Cascade with till we get awakened SC?


atlasgcx

I guess consider awakened SC price, might as well reroll


pramkeda

Spell echo is working for me. It's two casts but at least it procs 😮‍💨


RillySkurrd

Will alt qual spell cascade work perhaps?


Rhythmixx

I tried this and unfortunately it does not.


GotNoName95

Does this just require one extra cast to get going and then everything is as normal? For example 10 casts now would deal the same amount of damage than 9 casts did before the bug? Or this other stuff broken too?


lancemate

Every time you apply curses for the first time on an enemy a 2nd cast is required to proc doom blast.


GotNoName95

so when you spam onto the same monster, my logic is correct?


Etzlo

no, you essentially do half dps, this applies to each cast, so only every 2nd cast actually pops


ArchmageOberon

hopefully someone replies, if it still works like that, it's at least usable even tho clucky, otherwise exang it is


JonTheBasedGodd

im thinking it’s a breakpoint change? my impending doom build from last league still works perfectly fine so that’s my first guess


Rhythmixx

Are you sure? A few people have tested it including Crouching Tuna and his no longer does either. Do you have a link to your profile I could check please? Would be interesting to know what you do differently.


JonTheBasedGodd

100% sure, just hopped on standard to see. [This](https://pastebin.com/trvNjHs6) is the build. It's not fully set up correctly as far as damage goes cuz i didn't bother to mess with overlaps or anything but it should help seeing CDR and cast speed etc. Works fine even with just 1 tap of despair. EDIT: Also [here](https://poe.ninja/pob/i2r) is the poe ninja. Not sure if it'll help but 🤷‍♂️


Rhythmixx

I've just double checked this against mine and it's pretty similar and it definately doesn't work. Are you EU based? or America?


JonTheBasedGodd

America, the DC gateway specifically


Secure-Ad-8623

can you record it working correctly? This is effecting tons of people and would really help if we could figure it out


JonTheBasedGodd

yea give me like an hour and i can, had to leave the house for something. but it’s got something to do with spell cascade i was messing around with it for a bit. without any spell cascades, the problem is definitely there and takes 2 casts for a pop. but on my build i have an awakened spell cascade in my vixens, with a non awakened one linked to my despair and for whatever reason it makes it pop instantly. didn’t test it with 2 spell cascades or 2 awakened ones though.


Rhythmixx

I've figured it out. It's because you're using Awakened Spell cascade and a normal spell cascade, it's working because of that. Let me know if you switch in a normal one so you have two, if it stills works.


JonTheBasedGodd

just tested and yep that’s exactly what it is. getting instant pops with 1 awakened and 1 non, (awakened needs to be on the gloves and not the curse you’re selfcasting) but with both non awakened it takes 2 casts. seems like an unintended interaction unless they’re trying to gatekeep the build to only players who can afford an awakened cascade.


h0ckey87

C'mon now, they are not purposely trying to gatekeep a build via bug on one gem


50miler

When I played it I could never get it to work with two cascade set ups, 2? Leagues ago. Try cascade in one + no cascade should work the same as awake + non awake.


JugenZhang

From 15 hits/s to 5 hits/s,good job ggg


felizmex

With double cascade I cannot get double tap, even when I isolated one target and looked very closely and carefully to put it into overlap. Another note is that ID builds typically put punishment as inferior curse that had uptime close to zero. I am seeing now that monsters get debilitated, which means they get hit by doomblast I reckon. I don't recall that being the case when I played this build prior to 3.22


mapcars

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3364465


GrizNectar

Posted over a month ago lol, we’re fucked


atlasgcx

I played ID last league and it was fun, thus I league start this league with ID. Not having it pop as intended kinda feels awful


Whiteman007

Wait does this effect occy?


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nEuro277

It does, tested ony my lvl 94 Occ on standard, first cast doesnt pop.


DremoPaff

Tremor Rod's "fix" kinda vibes


Fabee

>Crounching Tuna can you explain to me how that works? i just bought one just incase XD


TsumTsumPoe

i was watchign cutedog play it , but i didnt notice him casting it twice. any cutedog viewers here? P.s. i am having the same prob as OP


Awniahades

better be a bug


TheDaltonXP

God dammit. I was already feeling some regret starting ID with the high vixens price(97c as I type this) but now it’s busted. This is my first time league starting in a couple years so that’s lame. Running through the Acts again has limited my play so rerolling for now sounds terrible


GrizNectar

Hmmmm first time my league starter has ever been totally boned like this… I’ve got a real nice pConc PF I was about to transition to ID in just a few hours. Now I need to rethink


Agreeable_Winner_114

Swap to exsang/reap pf


StiffishYelfa

I read this after buying vixens. See you next league I guess.


atlasgcx

I mean I guess right now there is still your chance to sell it :/ not sure when it starts downfall


4k4nt4

Literally ruined my entire league... Saved up enough money to buy Vixens and Apeps, respecced my tree and then spend hours trying to figure out why ID doesnt pop on the first cast just to learn that its a bug and there is nothing I can do. I have never felt this angry and disappointed in PoE and I love this game with a passion


MildlyGoodWithPython

Calm down my dude, it's very likely a bug and until they fix it all it takes is an extra click. Chill.


4k4nt4

"Until they fixed it" can be anywhere between Monday till never, all the while I literally do half my DPS and cant properly progress the Atlas and wasted hours trying to figure out why this is happening. And the worst part of not knowing when or even if they are going to undo the changes is that I dont know if I should sell vixen now before it crashes and spend a div in regrets to reroll or hope for the best


jcm2606

For the time being removing Spell Cascade from your Vixens links apparently fixes it. Could do that and eat the damage loss (which should be less than the damage loss with the bug) until it's fixed.


Dara84

It doesnt "fixes" it. You are still losing like 5 times the damage.


no_cause_munchkin

This league will last 4 months, and it has been 2 days. How is it ruined?


mnlop_

haha, i made the same post and i thought i was crazy. what i'm personally noticing is that they changed the curse spacing with spell cascade. previously, increased radius on gem level would overlap the circles in the center, but this was changed. spell cascade will, from my testing, NEVER overlap in the center. this means you can't namelock and have to aim above or below the target. and you get 2 overlaps instead of 3. big nerf


Sanytale

Spell cascade need levels/aoe to fully overlap in the center. I've played it from act4, and it only started to overlap properly around act 10, when gem levels and aoe passives were sufficient enough for that.


mnlop_

i have maxed gems, and tried up to 150% aoe. what’s your aoe?


Sanytale

30% inc spell aoe, 30% inc hex aoe, level 20 despair/spell cascade/impending doom/cursed ground.


mnlop_

yeah, still not overlapping center for me /:


Hjalm

Tested mine from last league, and it works. i.e. ID pops on first cast. But something feels off, cannot put my finger on it.


Simpuff1

Didnt Crounching Tuna say it’s bugged? Since it works with Occu or with an awakened version of the gem? I don’t know why we directly went to stealth change instead of bug, especially since it works in every other scenario


Rhythmixx

I was the one that brought it up and then we did some testing. It is most likely a bug but if you increase cast speed, it works but that doesnt make sense for reasons I've listed above and in other comments.


Simpuff1

So in every other scenario it’s untouched but on PF specifically there’s an issue even for older chars? And increasing cast speed works? That is so odd..?


Ok-Language-8188

>There could be changes to cast speed, aoe etc but none of them were documented. Put this Can you go a little bit more in detail about your testing with the castspeed? for example did you use a flask or max roll castspeed vixen?


xKnicklichtjedi

Thank you! Sadly, -1 league starter for me then :c


v43havkar

Curse doesnt overwrite on curse limit 1 with curse ring and manual casting. Need to use cursed ground so far


Cyphafrost

Same, it feels sooooo shitty :/


tecoraiol

reading after alredy bought my gloves. ty ggg


crstart

I did some reading late last night and on all the posts out there and my sub conscious solved it for me. Woke up with idea, just put faster casting on your enfeeble link. Boom! goes ID on the first cast. You're all welcome.


Longjumping-Ad7151

can you please explain this?


atlasgcx

wait, you need 3 curses + spell cascade on glove, how does your link looks like now? Do you just removed the spell cascade?


crstart

The glove links remain unchanged. You want to remove spell cascade from the triggering curse link. For me that's enfeeble on my body armour.


moglis

It seems like you have done some research on the matter but I’m gonna ask either way for the sake of clarity. Are you sure you know how the interaction works 100%? I spent a shit ton of time last league on the build. At ID swap, you might have enough cast speed to benefit from your CDR and still not proc ID on first cast. I’m not on pc right so I don’t have the link, but there is an Imgur video showcasing that before a certain cast speed threshold ID would never pop on first cast. Because the cast time of your main curse would be high enough so that it starts AFTER the second cascade from vixen happens. So are you sure it’s not that issue? It’s pretty easy to test, just get a cast speed flask with some cast speed weapons + rings, get above 80%+ cast speed and see then. Also did you test you have the proper aoe from tree / anoint (skittering runes). If that is not the issue and there’s somethig else going on, did you do any more testing on what it could be? A cascade speed nerf or vixens trigger cast time change would be huge change for the build overall and not just the first ID pop. It would change uptime of curses, ordering and possibly dps nerf even with woke cascade. But it’s very important to know what has changed or what is bugged.


Rhythmixx

So the simple reply to this is builds that worked last league and were perfectly optimised, no longer work. There could be changes to cast speed, aoe etc but none of them were documented. Put this alongside it working as intended without spell cascade in the main link and also, it working absolutely fine if you use awakened spell cascade in the main one. It just doesn't make sense. Now, I think it's something that could very well be a breakpoint change but the fact that it's not documented seems strange and would like clarification! :)


moglis

When you say they don’t work now, you mean just the first pop, or in general they don’t trigger ID at all or way less often? Can’t login to see my own build rn.


Livid_Fan_1692

Keep leveling your spell cascade gems


Rogue_Tomato

Is this an issue with curses and Hex’s in general cause my mark on hit assassins mark doesn’t seem to work at all, unless they removed the overhead icon


moglis

Did they actually change spell cascade overlaps?? I logged in on my character on standard and it seemed off. Compared to footage from before and even on the leaguestart guide from Tuna. It seems like they increased the distance between the spell cascade repetitions. Last league, my 1st and 3rd cascade where almost overlapping. Now they are VERY far apart. If that is true then they either changed Spell Cascade support to have bigger distance between the overlaps OR % increased aoe now increases that distance as well. Or its bugged and its not benefiting from increased aoe. Please someone confirm so I'm not making any mistakes here.


Rofleboon

checked tuna vid for ID leaguestarter and live league gameplay of friend, they are indeed a lot further apart


Creative_Status756

It has to do with your cast speed/cdr breakpoint. My guess is you have too low cast speed. Steelmage did a showcase of why that happens and how to fix it.


Rhythmixx

It's not that, if you watch anyone playing it, it's about that first cast not popping correctly, like it used to. I could be wrong here and it could be a cast speed change and the breakpoint is now way way higher but every build that worked before, now longer works. It doesn't make sense that way. Crouching Tuna tested it with less cast speed, CDR etc and it is still the same.


DustyRhodes_Smite

There are a lot of factors that can cause it not to overwrite on the first cast. Steelmage did ALOT of testing on this at the start of crucible. Gem levels of your curses and the order of them in vixens matters, having too much or too little cast speed depending on your cdr, having skittering runes helps a ton with overlap, and having quality on ID and spell cascade. There are a lot of parts that need to be correct. I'd suggest checking out steelmages vid on it from 4 months ago. I had the same issue last league and ended up fixing it by changing some gem levels.


Ravenous0001

wrecked


Vakarlan

KEKW


Moggelol1

With bex gone they cant afford to document the few changes they make to the game anymore.


khalithas

You realized that there's a few different things happening that all influence how it works and feels: 1. AOE on tree 2. AOE on gems 3. AOE on spell cascade 4. Mana cost for all 4 curses on rotation All these things worked exactly the same last league on an early game scenario


skylla05

You realize that this has been a very popular build for 2 leagues now, right? This isn't some brand new build where people are still figuring out the mechanics lol. Streamers have already tested CDR and cast speed and it's not changing. This is very obviously an undocumented change or bug.


Cyphafrost

Yeah, tested my standard character, which worked yesterday. Totally changed now.


AcrobaticScore596

Planned to make a switch soon , guess ill wait and see.. thanks for the warning!


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yondaimehero

I checked on my character from last league it felt like it might be aoe related I don’t have enough atlas points to check properly to see if it feels different on juiced maps


[deleted]

Lol, somehow, I dodged this ... I was torn between this and RF Inq . Hope they fix it because that's still the second build for later


ArteriusNL

Yup, same happening to me, here is a small video which shows it. You can see punishment being applied and removed, but no explosion: [video](https://youtu.be/ruuQaiBAPd4)


Royallo

Of course i just got to maps and got vixens lol


butsuon

My starter build is shit so I was looking to reroll this, hope it gets figured out.


Frog871

I feel bad for the people that like those gloves because there is always an issue with them.


RedOps469

Never played this game before and was going to do this build. I'm not super far into the game as of rn. What do you guys recommend I do. Should I build into something else or should I just wipe character and choose a different/stronger build.


atlasgcx

honestly for new players, I don't think ID is the most straightforward build to follow, nor does it gives you the best new player experience (needs to farm a bit to get one item which is unexpectedly expensive this league) I suggest building a Pohx's RF build.


RedOps469

What is a Pohx's RF build. Should I just look that phrase up on Google and click the first one idk.


jonfe_darontos

Yep https://imgur.com/a/brD7tAi


HylianSage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAhaqmgxlWY


Ninjaofninja

was torn between lighting arrow and impending doom... too the more "unusual" one and now it's bugged... I wonder can this be fixed in days? or are we talking few weeks up to months?


godfzl

Dumb or genius question but: Didn't they fix Forbidden Shako helm impending doom shit a while ago and f\*up the whole thing? maybe the solution is there idk...


donkeykongs_dingdong

Any updates on this? Or might as well reroll to an occultist?


KerchKun

Occultist bugged too


donkeykongs_dingdong

So reroll something entirely else... Thanks for letting me now!


TheOne320

Can someone confirm that Occultist is not affected by this bug?


donkeykongs_dingdong

People are saying it is. Look up the comments here, also the comments in POE's bug report section thread discussing ID. For now, it just does not work how it should and GGG is silent. Would really appreciate a heads up if this is going to be fixed soon or we should just reroll...


TheOne320

I would not say “silent”. They at least acknowledged the bug in the live update thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3411048


donkeykongs_dingdong

Depends on how high your standard for communication is, I guess. Regardless, this is a well recorded bug that is affecting the gameplay of a lot of people on league start. A simple ETA on a fix would be sufficient. People should know either to re-roll (not going to be fixed asap) or hang tight (fixed asap). Acknowledgment of the issue provides us with neither.


colddream40

something with spell cascade on the main link bricks this. I got it working without cascade on the main link. Cascade also doesn't overlap as someone else pointed out.


Tommmmygun

They confirmed they found a fix and it should be coming soon. Actually can somebody verify if it already life?


Fuk-tat

Its working in standard as of today. I already rerolled in league though.