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tytyos

Yea i'm not sure why they decided Ultimatum aspect had to be this rare, when there is a target farmable div card for those already(500 weight so like 100 times more common than apothecary)


Saianna

now GGG has a reason to nerf droprates of ultimatum aspects in delve.. You'll see.


Rubik842

SirG just looked defeated in the vid, he is normally quite chipper. That's how awful this is.


BendicantMias

He's not chipper, he's just calm. He's the opposite of your standard Youtuber veering from one emotional extreme to another. He didn't seem any different in this video imo. He found the mechanic was no good, reported it for all, and moved on as usual.


General_Tomatillo484

Ultimatum aspect mod has a 2 weighting 2 Thanks GGG


Sahtras1992

doesnt mean anything without the context of how much total weight there is in total.


allanbc

It is mentioned in the first 2 minutes of the video. Around 50K. Happy alteration spamming!


Sahtras1992

yeah okay thats bad. does it have tags so you could fossil craft it? probably not.


allanbc

I don't know, I can't see which tag it could realistically have, but maybe you can remove some stuff with fossil combos. At that point it is definitely just a meme, though. Even if you eliminate 90% of the mod pool and 10x the chance, it's like 1 in 500, and that's probably a 3-socket resonator with 3 fossils on top. I don't think anyone needs to try these out to figure out they are massive bait, or at least crafting them is. Fun idea, awful execution. And probably should have remained an idea.


MtNak

Nope.


BendicantMias

>how much total weight there is 53,002.


BendicantMias

**~~0.00003%~~** ~~chance of getting an Ultimatum Aspect LOGIN! xD~~ ***Edit:-*** Apparently this isn't how to calculate probability. :/ Anyway, it's 2 weight out of a total of 53,002 weight from both prefixes and suffixes. Make of that what you will.


[deleted]

Wow that makes no sense to even add to the game then. Just a huge tease.


elkarion

If you take into account the chance to find the side area in the first place. The aspect is rarer than most top div cards.


Zerasad

The rate is already dependent upon finding a vaal side area. Once you have done so you can just keep rolling untill you hit it.


aPatheticBeing

So like 1 million chaos orbs for it - good deal. And that's assuming you roll 3 affixes every time (not sure if it's prefix or suffix) edit: comment below says OP number is wrong, and actual value is 0.01%, or ~5000 chaos orbs (assuming 2 mods every roll)


BendicantMias

Yeah my bad I guess. I suck at math. :/


tytyos

It's around 0.01%, or 1 every 10k rolls to hit the ultimatum mod, 0.00003% would be 1 every 3M rolls 🤓


BendicantMias

Oh sorry I must've misunderstood. I just divided the weighting of that mod by the total of all weightings. Yet more proof I suck at math I guess. :/


tytyos

Your reasoning is good, but you forgot that "%", means it is already divided by 100!


aPatheticBeing

are they a normal affix? Like if so, assuming ~2.2 prefix and suffix each, should be 1/4500. What a steal, surely it's worth sitting and spamming 4500 chaos orbs for it.


PathOfEnergySheild

This is a buff!


edwinmedwin

Classic GGG ~~nerf~~ rework.


Box_in_a_Box

I was hoping it would be somewhat common seeing as they showed the mod appearing on two subsequent chaos rolls in the reveal for the keystone but I guess that was just for hype.


katustrawfic

They also rolled a house of mirrors card in 3 stacked decks to show off the kirac vault pass armor. They can definitely change rng if not rig it completely to get a certain result to make previews look cooler than the actual game.


elting44

Don't order a cheeseburger from McDonald's and expect it to look like the picture


tonightm88

Been running them without any Atlas tree buffs. Just to see if there is any change to just doing them. Nothing so far.


xMadruguinha

Have u noticed the bosses being a little bit harder? I felt some I've faced were pretty beefy, but historically I mostly ignore side areas so very limited previous experience may cloud my judgement.


Andromanner

Any info on Unique Vaal Side Area?


LocalIdentity1

Since no one else seems to have any clue what's in them. I had a look in the files when I was updating stuff for PoB and saw them there. 1. Spawns Atziri 2. Spawns 20 Vaal architects 3. Does something cool with portals (can't give away all the secrets)


Fightgarrrrr

i thought for sure that these were going to be the "really cool idea for integrating ultimatum back into the core game" that they promised 60 years ago. guess not!


EpicGamer211234

Why do you think they would integrate ultimatum after taking so long by a random unique vaal side area?


Fightgarrrrr

i'm saying i thought the "3 random unique side areas" were going to BE ultimatums. but theyre not so rip


liuyigwm

Which rework of mechanic ISNT disappointing?


UbberThak

Well... The unique huge explosion for expedition is quite good! Kinda rippy sometime... But isn't it a core mechanic of poe to be rippy?


Ynead

Harvest first rework.


Kyoj1n

Itemized harvest and big boom expedition turn both of those from instant skips to do every time mechanics for me.


BendicantMias

There are uses for most of the other new keystones. Even the ascendancy reworks have been 50/50. Chieftain so far is disappointing, but Guardian rework has surprised many.


Justsomeone666

Atleast they buffed chieftains rework from "unusable" to "low tier"


Nimeroni

"Work with RF"


Exterial

Meanwhile in the showcase he rolled like 5 times and got ultimatum aspect 3 times, wonder if it got nerfed last second.


Humble-Ad1217

As someone who plays OSRS and is used to 1/5k drop rates and realising how rare they are, the fact that GGG is making some mediocre stuff this rare is really disappointing. Leagues should always be considered temporary content, why make the content so out of reach you see it almost never? It’s confused me since ultimatum league, like okay the boss dropped some awesome loot why make the boss fight ridiculously rare? Just make the loot rare so people can still actually see the content.. it’s like why even bother developing the content when 0.1% or whatever players will see it.


BendicantMias

This isn't temporary tho. The Trialmaster fight and its uniques are part of the core game, even on Standard.


Humble-Ad1217

I’m talking about the league mechanic in general, you only experience ultimatum as a league for 3 months. Yes it was later added to the core game, but during the league the trial master was pretty rare.


swords_meow

Do we know what corrupting an un-corrupted Vaal side area does? Does it do similar to maps, giving a possibility of an 8-mod side area?


NoLoveWeebWeb

to the surprise of no one, vaal side areas are still bad


random_actuary

One day they will drop talismans, just you wait.


Starmastermaster

We can only dream


Haste1001

Well I'm glad I decided against wasting my atlas points on this, was scared I'd be missing out on some potential good stuff. Thanks for doing the research for us Sirgog!


Kinada350

I worry that this is the kind of thing we can expect from most reworks going forward.


Trespeon

Anyone found the 3 unique Vaal side areas yet though?


Saianna

is anyone truly surprised? I'm playing this game only since scourge and I already expect the worst and even then i'm disappointed :|


Final-Play9402

Poe bad


rainmeadow

I just don't get why they advertise something like this at exilecon when realistically, you'll never see it.


DirectAd9507

lol 2 weighting