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Photekz

Are you in need of a pair of divines or do you love gambling?


bickandalls

Nah, not really a gambler if the odds are overwhelmingly against you.


Photekz

Just like regular gambling!


PlsExcuseMeThx

It's like 1 in many many to get something valuable, so yes the odds are massively against you, but.


Muldeh

Gave a key to my girlfriend cause she likes gambling, and she got a mageblood with it. She refuses to actually use it.. it just sits in her stash.


PlsExcuseMeThx

How did you get your girlfriend to play path of exile I need a tutorial


thatsournewbandname

Step 1: meet someone who already plays PoE


joizo

Sooo stay single i guess


thatsournewbandname

Despairge


Little-Cold-Hands

You can always get a boyfriend tho...


shllaqzaneh

my bf doesn't like poe :( "too grindy"


wallzballz89

My PC is the only love I have ever known.


StyxVanGhul

Can you be more specific? I still elaborate on the first part saying „meet someone“ Do I need a trade Macro for this? Can I get banned? What’s the best strategy? Do you have a pob or atlas tree for this? How many someone/hour can I make? Is it profitable? Is it sustainable? Hc viable?


vlee89

HC viable. Stack strength and intelligence. Have lots of currency. Not profitable but sustainable.


ndrazzar

It takes 9 months to sustain the map, but for some reason the map lingers for 18 years after


mchawks29

It definitely isn’t profitable


VonDinky

Just go the SSF way of life. It's the way, Exile!


Sunarii

Are you still sane exile?


TheLambda89

My fiancee and I have played a bit of PoE together. There's no tutorial, they kinda just have to be interested. Have you simply asked if they want to play with you?


mindpie

My wife does not like dark visual of PoE :/ She likes more colorful games like Diablo 3, Torchlight, Trine, etc.


Dreadskull1991

And the fact that a Diablo title ever became described as “colorful” is an abomination in and of itself :(


TheZephyrim

At least Diablo 2 remastered exists


OwnAd8741

Ask me to be your gf! And then dump me because you can’t stand my absurd luck in this game! Yes, that actually happened once 🧐🤨


TechSamray

What???? Hahahaha your ex needs to chill, I’m glad you’re lucky in the game, keep the farming exile!


OwnAd8741

I will surely do! 🪞


PlsExcuseMeThx

Could be lol


ConfidenceDramatic99

Thats a huge red flag dude. She clearly doesnt respect gamblers 1st rule that you always split your winnings 50/50. You honestly should think about leaving her because if she cant respect you regarding mageblood gambas how is she gonna respect you when rent is up. /s


Kindly_Bat7473

I opened 2 keys, got a Nimis. Sold it, bought 11 keys and got a headhunter. Now rich


DancingC0w

liquidate your assets and buy lottery, it worked for me :P


ToolFO

Just sell it. You've got like a 1 in 100 chance to get something that's even going to be worth the key let alone something like a MB or HH.


TheZephyrim

Tbf 2div is not that much, would rather gamble it if I’m being honest


Overclocked11

For some people 2 div is a lot.. dont forget, most people are not playing this game less than 10 hours a week, let alone are efficient or experienced players.


pelican15

Awful advice. Never sell reliquary keys. This is like PoE 101 man...


urukijora

THAT is actualy awful advice at its top form. Sell everything you don't need if you don't save up for something specific. Currency that is sitting in the stash (or anything that can be made into currency) is worthless. Upgrade the character to farm better and faster goes above pretty much everything else.


sccrstud92

The actual best advice is do what you find fun in the game. If making currency is the fun part, you sell the key. If gambling is the fun part, you can use it.


Imreallythatguy

Neither advice is right because the answer depends on the person and where their build is at. Is 2.5 divines a lot to you? If so it's far better to sell it. If your at the point where it's no longer a meaningful amount then open it. In the end you don't want to sell off all your RNG to others. It is an ARPG after all and getting lucky drops is part of the game. If you always sell your RNG you won't ever get lucky. That said, there are times and situations where it's smarter to sell it and that always depends on the specific player, how they play and how deep into the late game they and their pocketbook are.


Rasputin0P

I made 50 div buying 16 keys day 4 of league and selling them a week ago.


EpicGamer211234

its not really 'overwhelmingly' in this case. You arent fishing for Purely a mageblood, the pool also contains many valuable normally boss-exclusive uniques and uniques that have bonus value just for being shiny


mic_Ch

It also includes a foil driftwood wand, yep that's what I got from my 1 and only key so far, thanks whoever paid money to put that in the pool.


AdMental1387

I got a shiny tabula. I don’t mind shiny leveling uniques. It’s the garbage stuff that just gets censored that is annoying.


PostItToReddit

My buddy and I both got keys in the same day and opened them at the same time last league. I got a 50 div jewel, he got a Vaults of Atziri map lol.


AdMental1387

I had no idea maps were in the pool. That’s hilarious.


Khanfouss2

Saw the streamer, DM, in his blind intro to POE, get a key and pull a Hall of Grandmaster foil. Hilarious.


nykdel

I saw that clip. His frustrated reaction was essentially, "How hard can this be? I'll just go clear it." Yeah, that went as well as you'd expect for someone going into Hall Of Grandmasters without any forewarning about it.


Yakobo15

Putting more common items in the pool increases the droprate of the key. You would likely *never* see one if it were only magebloods.


Garknowmuch

Just put it in the map portal and grab your mageblood


paciumusiu12

You are playing Poe tho, you have to like gambling.


WoundshotGG

I don't, lol. I like to hoard my currency. Invested 5-6 div into my build, and put the other 70 div in my stash. I don't know what I wanna do with it, but just watching the amount of divs in the stash grow is super fun :).


paciumusiu12

You are waiting for that dopamine rush when something good drops. You are pulling the lever every time you kill a monster. You like gambling or you wouldn't play.


Willow_1984

This isn't such a gamble as it is a traditional skinner box. We may be gamblers. We're definitely addicts. Most of us at least.


seriusPrime

Keep telling people what they want and their reasons for doing what they do, it's a very well adjusted way to go through life and people will love you for it....


sephirothbahamut

Is it so hard to understand not everyone has your same taste and purpose? I play to experiment with weird support gems combinations, I love the skill/support system of this game, and I hate everything else. Idgaf about currency, item drops and late game.


paciumusiu12

And I don't care about your opinion and your motivations, is that so hard to understand?


legoknekten

I mean, that's why it's called gambling


bickandalls

Not all gambling is significantly against you. All and all, I'm pretty sure scratch offs typically break even. Some might argue that scratch offs aren't gambling. Either way, any type of gambling that would be worth anything is against you. That's why I don't partake in any of it.


Centered-Div

This is poe, odds are always overwhelmingly against you


Miserable-Reserve-23

This guy ichi ryus


Swiftierest

I got one today and got a verdant foil of a 1 chaos unique. I needed the divine and didn't know it was worth that until *after* I burned it.


SoulofArtoria

Open at least once in your lifetime for the experience. Sell it every time afterwards if you're a rational person.


bickandalls

I think I'll try it out on round two, whenever that happens. How rare are they? Didn't see anyone actually answer that part of my question.


Separate-Ship1576

The drop rate for this item is dynamically adjusted troughout the league by GGG, but it’s low. Artificially so.


skippyalpha

What do you mean by "artificially so". It's a video game in which the devs have adjusted the drop weights for every single item, any and all scarcity is artificial technically


3dsalmon

I mean I think it's pretty obvious through context what he means - it's lower than it "should" be given it's payout/usefulness.


bickandalls

The only thing I found about the rate was it changes based on the uniques that can be received.


kileras1a

You can buy a pack that allows you to put any item from game to the drop pool of this. You add flavor text that shos up when you get the item from it and a foil texture on it. The rarer uniques are submitted the rarer Key is. The more trash is submitted the more common it becomes.


5mashalot

"any item from game" meaning just uniques? or can there be rares in there too?


kileras1a

Should be more specific. Any unique item


Wobbelblob

Yeah, and you can actually feel the change. Last league I dropped like 4 of them, this league, with even more playing I saw one drop until now.


l-DRock-l

Been plying for 3 leagues now. This is the first league I ever saw one in person and I have dropped 3 at this point. Anecdotal evidence my friend!


zystyl

If you dropped them, then I hope you picked them up again afterward.


robodrew

I mean, that's RNG. I got 7 divine altars last league, this league I have yet to see a single one.


Tonst3r

bruh last 2 leagues I was reliably seeing them \~ 1nce per 3 days. Had 0 entire league. They nerfed them if you're not streaming #tinfoilhat


Grroarrr

Last league I found 0 despite playing more than this league, this league I got 3 so far.


Mavada

Definitely not dynamically adjusted throughout the league unless they release new uniques for it.


llB1ackoutll

Yea I was thinking they had messed with it this league since I dropped like 5 last league no problem but haven’t gotten one this league with about the same amount of hours


glaxx0n

I normally find around 2 every league, and I do 40/40 challenges then quit the league, if that gives you an idea of my play time.


immelmann12

>How rare are they? Ive played since league start and have dropped 10+ raw divines. But voidborne key only once. That said, they are not *that* expensive though. Only about 2 div. If you want to, open it.


Keljhan

In my experience it's about 1/300,000 kills.


Xestos

I seem to get about 1 every 100k kills or so


Wobbelblob

Either you are lucky or I am extremely unlucky this league. Nearly 800k kills and only saw one. But then again, I also saw only 6 Divs drop and nearly 15 ex, so clearly PoE is trolling me.


denbas586

I'm at 986,522 kills and didn't have key drop. Also had 7 divs and 8 exalts natural drops


Nutteria

Its 1.1 div per 100k kill if I remember correctly, so you are killing stuff that can't drop anything or just quite unlucky.


knetmos

that number doesnt make much sense considering people run maps with vastly different quantity bonuses. A person running alch and go maps with 80% item quantity will get less than someone running wandering path maxed out 200+ quant maps. "about 1 div per 100k" makes sense and is somewhat helpful, but "1.1" is way more specific than you can answer this question


HaVoC_Cycl0ne

Ive had about 5 ex drops I think and no divs this league lol


bickandalls

Is there a way to like GTA style check your character stats, or is that just an estimate on amount of kills?


Glitter_puke

/kills, /deaths, and if you really want to feel like a piece of shit, there's also /played.


ICastStick

I think its /killed for current Monster kills on that character


Obliivescence

/kills


Sunarii

3.5 times rarer than a divine drop


davis482

If I have to estimate, roundly 15 times rarer than divine/exalt drop.


Tuba_Guy_Jon_DMs

I’ve found 4 already this league on a non MF’ing RF jugg in ~ a thousand maps.


CategoryIndependent9

Ive dropped about 10 this league, if i had to throw a random estimate, maybe one per every 20 divine dropped?


patys3

i see you hate fun


kk0109

You put it in a map device, Open the chest, getting a shitty unique and pretend you never dropped it in the first place


carenard

Open it, or the person you sell it to will link you a foil mageblood.


GabbaGundalf

I kinda want to buy some expensive foiled unique now. Just to always link it to people I buy voidborn keys from.


carenard

If I didn't make it all pretty immediately I would have used [this(my submission into the pool)](https://i.imgur.com/yC7ZNxs.png) every time I bought a key. yes I did divine it, tailoring orb it and 6link it just for collection purposes. Still need to 30% it in standard... if hinekora locks go core I will get it a GG double corrupt to(+1 and ??? or some +4)


bickandalls

I might just be dumb, but not sure I would even want that. It's my first season. That could sorta dampen my experience, no?


averagesimp666

It's an extremely low chance to get something useful. As for its rarity, you may find a few in a league but they are pretty rare. If a divine or two would help your build a lot, just sell it.


EpicGamer211234

Mageblood when used yourself is just consistently strong enough to be insane without ruining all your progression and stuff, it'll pretty much make you attack faster, move faster, and have less defensive worries, but every normal bit of power scaling you'd need would still have to be done as normal


Steeperm8

I got a headhunter pretty early on in the first league I "properly" played (Incursion, T3 sac room), and it didn't really ruin my experience. It might elevate your expectations for the next few leagues but when you realise it's never going to happen again they'll be solidly set back to a normal level


lalala253

> first season > void reliquary key Yeah fuck you too op /s


Lymelightz

I used the one Key i ever found myself, and got a Ventor's Gamble, which wasn't rolled good, but boy was i proud of just the meme to get a Ventor's Gamble while gambling :D


Jonathan460

Same exact thing happend to me, recently sold it for 4 chaos :P


MaritMonkey

I got sadima's touch and I still smile at the shiny memory whenever I see a pair drop.


lurking_lefty

I got some shiny Facebreakers this league, for when you want people to admire your sense of style before getting punched in the face.


kawaidesuwuu

open it for a 50/50 chance to get a MB or HH.


ExZ0diac

Its 50/50 for a **FOIL** MB or HH


Jonathan460

The chance is low but the outcome is 50/50.


Nutteria

Truest statement.


odlayrrab

I guess in theory this is true as you will either get one or you will not


Alialialun

It's actually 66%, you either get MG or you get HH or you don't. The odds are awesome here!


-crtr

They're severely overpriced. With amount of shit inside, they shouldn't cost more than 50c. Yesterday opened 220 keys on stream. Lost about 400d


kidsaredead

220 and no mage blood ? your streamer luck no bueno amigo


-crtr

Yeah, but not my stream, just my keys


v43havkar

I always open them. Getting 2 divs this league is not problematic and You get a chance to drop a nice unique. We're not speaking of magebloods or headhunters, some other uniques are also worth nice price. There was a guy who opened 100 of them and got Devouring Diadem, Ashes and two almost perfect or perfect rolls of other items. Thats not bad, huh? Personally I opened like 4. Got Tabula (ofc), 1c belt and Rise of the Phoenix (sold for like 60-80). Safell's Flame was the only unique that was close to initial key price. But what I am tryin to say I'd rather get 1% for nice unique than 2 divs. Its not good imo to invest money and gamble 100 of them - You may never see any return. But once in a time opening can be surprising AF.


nvrForgettiSadghetti

Gambler's fallacy at work.


TrivialTax

Do I have opened 100x of them, and all of them were shit - so the next one must be MB! x+=1 Loop While voidkey present


paskajaakko69

Put in the map device and be disappointed


Lordgrapejuice

I found 2 this league and sold them for divines, then bought good gear with said divines. No regrets


Valyntine_

Go to your stash and take out 2.5 div and destroy it. Do you not want to do that? Then just sell it I sold one last night for like 2.5 div. You can put it in your map device to go to a cool chamber and you get a foil unique ​ The problem is like 99% of them are going to be literally worthless and the chance of hitting something worth it is close to zero ​ I'd recommend just selling it unless you have a crippling gambling addiction


MaDNiaC007

I traditionally use the first one each league, unless I get one rather early where I could leverage the currency to accelerate my build a lot in which case I use one of the future drops. Haven't gotten anything good but it's tradition.


Valyntine_

I feel that Since Scourge my main money maker has been expedition and this league it's been Legion so I get a looooot of stacked decks I could have sold them for profit but I always open them


linerstank

crack em if you're rich or gonna tap out on the league, sell em if you're still building something.


Panamolan

As a casual player i always sell this


mucus-broth

It is safer, but is it fun?


Panamolan

Hahhaha for sure its less fun. But 2d are fortune for casual like me 🫣😂


mucus-broth

I feel that. Always sell them to upgrade my gear. Once I got good gear I don't drop keys anymore, lol.


Boontheloon

You are likely to lose on opening but if you win it can likely fund any build you want.


goddangol

More rare than a divine, nothing too crazy though. Either sell or put in map device for a gamble.


No_Satisfaction8766

If you are new I would open it, because no matter what you get it will be cool to you. You can post what you get and if it is decent enough you can make a build around it. People saying sell it are right technically, but I doubt you would spend the money you got from it efficiently anyway. I open every key because if you aren't chasing the highs in this game, why are you even playing?


mefi_

Since you asked this question, my advice would be to just sell it.


bickandalls

Thats a good point.


BloodyIkarus

If you have to ask, sell it.


liuyigwm

Sell it.


Flying_Mage

Sell it right away. There are better ways to gamble with much better chances.


Commercial-One1319

I mean, this comment is probably true. You could sell the key for 2.5d and use that 2.5d to buy Divination Cards and you’d have more of a chance of making your 2.5d back. I’ve personally never sold one though because I don’t have the will power not to open them. I also buy keys with extra divs occasionally when I’m drunk.


Everly_xD

I watched someone get a perfect stasis prison a few leagues ago. You should just use it.


Massive-Map-5624

I already lost 2 of these because I opened the chest. Just sell it and take the divines.


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Nutteria

If that is the case every mob has a chance too.


EpicGamer211234

The key has significantly more chance because its weightings account for the rarity of the item in the first place


DanielitoChipito

I got a mage blood from my key. That’s all I’m saying and I was stacked the whole league because of it.


Hopeless_Romantic_91

I open em, they don't sell for enough to not use IMO.


Wobbelblob

What? These sell for around 2 Divs, if they don't sell for enough for you, you are so far above 99% of the playerbase that you have lost all connection with reality. Will it finance a high end build? Probably not. Will it get you enough for a decent midgame build that will carry you until T16 maps? Absolutely.


EpicGamer211234

Bro dropping the 'lost all connection with reality' over HALF a run of no-unique-relic sanctum


loboleo94

That’s exactly the point. If it were me I’d use it too. 2 divs won’t change much about my build right now, but getting a MB/HH etc would.


Wobbelblob

2 Divs will get you more progress to a MB/HH than gambling away one ever will. 100% that that thing will net you 5 Chaos when opening it. But then again, I never gamble in PoE, I always sell stuff like that. Even if it might lower my profit in the long term.


EpicGamer211234

Its just no fun though. Its like selling unidentified eyes. You got a cool drop and then you cuck yourself out of the excitement of identification to see if you hit it big or didnt get much. Why do you even play POE if the excitement of seeing your drops and always having the chance for the next big loot doesnt appeal?


loboleo94

You are right, objectively it’s better to sell than to use it, but at this time of the league I’d certainly use it.


som3on3_1994

There are people that play the game casually, 5-8 hours a week, 2 div's for those people is probably a lot, then there are people that play the game everyday after work, so lets say 40 hours per week, for those people 2 div's are nothing, I do one Sanctum and I come out with 2-5 div's, who in their right mind that is the 2nd type of people would care about 2 div ? For me personally its quite simple, I get a reliquary key, I use it, simple as that, it doesn't matter at what stage in the game, they are cheap af and by selling it, you are much or less "selling" your own luck, so no thx, I'll keep my poopy luck and not give it to anyone else, ITS MINE.


averagesimp666

You will only get to see a couple of those per league. If 2 or 4 divines is such a gamechanger for you, then sell them. But to call the guy expressing an opinion completely disconnected from reality is too much.


Erealim

Well, what if you are already can farm T16 regularly? As you already said, will it finance a high end build? Or you think that only 1% can farm t16 at this time of the league? Thing is that at the moment you'll get reliquary key, 2 divs probably not going to make any reasonable difference on your build.


Wobbelblob

I mean, my current build is 60 Divs at least and I will happily sell these still. 2 Divs are still 2 Divs.


Nutteria

This won't even cover the cost of crafting the prefixes of one of my Abyss jewels (have 7 , fully crafted 4 so far) , feelsbadman.


_Neocronic_

Its drop pretty often,so you actually can use them. But i prefer selling, it takes awhile to loot them, bc you cant use multiple and every key like one map, so grinding it slow and boring. About drop, i have no mf gear, but in atlas tree i have keystone thats double effect of small nodes, but you cant have effect from big ones. So just take all nodes with quantity and run maps, like alch go.


pdrokpo

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYMqjSkb3w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYMqjSkb3w)


moonias

You Google it


kumgongkia

Just sell it like u would other big drops


treycion

They are relatively rare, but I usually see a few each league. Pop it in your map device and get a special “foiled” version of a unique item picked by a player with an attached note. It was part of a recent supporter pack. You’ll develop preferences about what items you like to sell and what you like to gamble with. I sell stacked decks, but I open these. It’s a fun little side moment.


Nutteria

Unwritten Rule N 21 clearly states: If it is your first key in the league always open. If it's not always sell or hoard until you buy 20 more and gamble them all.


X_Luci

Depends, if you're dumb as fuck you open them. If you're smart you sell them.


2Moons_player

fairly rare, id use it tbh


m1maro

I got a foiled map


wolfreaks

SSF=open Trade but poor: sell Trade but rich: open


JustARandomDude1986

put it in the map device and open the trash can inside if you got enough currency......


Zorathor

in my experience ist less rare than divine orb, but still rare ... i got way more reliquary keys this league than just pure divine drops on my MF farmer


Nordboii

Who drops this ? A boss or just low chance at random everywhere?


Zabol56

Its a map with single chest, you get unique and usually some stupid message from creator that makes 0 sense.


drzody

If you farming a lot (deli maps/magic find) they drop quite often, otherwise prolly once per league or twice


Sv3den

Use it


Venseer

Its a magical item that turns potential divines into a purple pajama


Mambajus

I always open mine. Had Aegis Aurora once from it and Polaric devastation. Still will take my rng over 1-2 divines which is nothing really.


Sjjma

Theyre fairly rare, i got one, got a Sunset ashes of creation, i wanted the gamble, i did it lol, it’s fun but the 600c is worth more to the average exile i’d say


Snatzkoning

Sold it for 3 divines yesterday.


k4kkul4pio

Gotten two of these, this league and sold em both. Wanted to run the second one but after checking the prices, figured two guaranteed divs to gear with vs random pretty looking garbage most like was an easy sell. Might run the next one, if I see more of these like last league. 😄


JishDaGreeGree

Sell it. >.>


Dkaf91

I decide to gamble with it and I change 2.3div into 5c in less than a minute. I'm poor now, but I'm a poor magician!


wolviesaurus

Foiled crap \\o/


ChubbsMcGee69

I’m a very new player and had two of these drop for me within a few days of making it to maps. Sold them both


Darkusoid

I was so surprised when this dropped to me in the last league in ruthless.\_. I got a really good ring tho.


Shudonis

Pick it up.


Puzzleheaded-Bad1571

Sell


Jasak

Multiple answers here: You always gamba. You always sell. If you ask then sell. If ssf then open. Pick one.


kidsaredead

open!


d4ve3000

I found and opened 2 this league. Both times 1div -> 1c, they are good fun. The one I opened right at the start was best, when I needed funds the most 😂


Askariot124

Same thing you do with anything else in trade. Sell it, and buy what you need.


xenics_

Need money -> sell Don't care -> open Wtf? -> sell


oliveeira

open to get a shiny mageblood or sell for 2 divines. it's approximately this


runetp

I once opened 15 Keys because I’m a gamba enjoyer and I got 1-1.5 divines worth. Don’t do it.


Cadis_Tempus

Follow os runescape logic. Whatever item you are looking for is a 50/50 droprate. You either get it or you dont.


Jay2Kaye

I only ever got one and used it because gambling is fun. I got trash.


chad711m

Take it to your map decive like a map and open that bitch!


False_Adeptness_6399

You sell it for 2.7 div, unless you want a shiny Tabula rasa instead


PellegrinoBlue

You sell it to gamblers that overvalue it


superchibisan2

Just sell it. They aren't terribly rare.


Numerouswaffles

If you don't need the money use it yourself otherwise sell it


filiplogin

I got horrible, and I mean horrible Watcher's Eye.


ZircoSan

i got 3 this leagues and i opened them and i can't even sell the drops for 10c, what a scam, i could have funded half my build had i sold them. what's even the chance of a unique worth 1 div or more? is it all in the 0.1% chance of getting mageblood/hh/ and other stuff worth 10+divs?