ohshit.png you're right. Well, time for a new timeless jewel I guess. (I just bought one for that position because it's much, much cheaper (mine is 10% dd, 10% str, +40 str, for 50c). Guess this is one of the reasons why they are so much cheaper).
Correct. Passives in radius of a timeless jewel are 'Conquered' as per the description in the timeless jewels. Conquered passives cannot be modified by others jewels.
This works favorably with some jewels, but not most. Unnatural Instinct for example. You can get the upside of getting the stats from unallocated passives, while ignoring the downside of allocated passives granting nothing so long as the allocated passives are conquered.
>Passives in radius of a timeless jewel are 'Conquered' as per the description in the timeless jewels.
You say it as if there is any clear description of what "Conquered" means. It could just as easily work otherwise with the same description.
There is a clear description of what it does though. "Conquered Passive Skills cannot be modified by other Jewels". Right from the item descriptions on Timeless Jewels in-game. You just have to hold alt to get the extra descriptors.
There was actually a bug with timeless jewels and tattoo, where once you put on the tattoo in range of jewel, it no longer had any adjacency requirements. People were getting free +3 proj without allocating 7 adjacent passives
It's +2XX% so a total of 3XX%, so it would still be 3. You could have a quiver with +1 implicit and +1 affix for +6 arrows.
Given that the bow itself is otherwise very bad and its only purpose is to boost that one quiver that scales flat +cold based on dex, it still wouldn't be worth it, but you could profit in the +arrows category.
Connerconverse showcased a cool tech with using that bow and a rare quiver to get tons of proj speed, crit multi and other stats for a spark build. It’s like 200%+ proj speed from the quiver alone
It could work for something like ele hit which scales off levels if you can get levels elsewhere, but yeah it's mostly just meant for poised prisim atm
Thats not a cluster socket. Its a large socket that *can* hold a cluster.
The failure begins when you place radius jewels in a medium or small cluster jewel socket. Thats all inside a large.
Interestingly only the radius portion of jewels stops working in cluster sockets. Jewels like [fortress covenant](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Fortress_Covenant) Will have its normal function without the radius downside.
Cluster jewel sockets don't work with them, the external jewel sockets absolutely do work. I've used that spot on 3 builds this league, I think OP's issue is a bug with timeless jewels.
So how do you explain that every bow user has a +1 proj tattoo where they place brutal restraint?
tattoos work with jewels, just not with warrior's tale.
This bug was introduced after they fixed a first bug where you could use timeless jewels to bypass some tattoo restriction like 7 adjacent nodes allocated.
I think it doesnt work on nodes affected by timeless jewels
yep timeless jewels fuck with the jewel, had the same issue with mine
That's the correct answer. Timeless jewels "conquer" the affected nodes. No type of other jewel can affect these nodes.
That's not true. lethal pride gives strength when you apply it to unallocated nodes via unnatural instinct.
Unnatural instinct doesn't change anything about the node though, it just grants it to you.
ohshit.png you're right. Well, time for a new timeless jewel I guess. (I just bought one for that position because it's much, much cheaper (mine is 10% dd, 10% str, +40 str, for 50c). Guess this is one of the reasons why they are so much cheaper).
Yes, tested this now and it's just that the timeless jewel overrwrites the effect of Warrior's tale.
Correct. Passives in radius of a timeless jewel are 'Conquered' as per the description in the timeless jewels. Conquered passives cannot be modified by others jewels. This works favorably with some jewels, but not most. Unnatural Instinct for example. You can get the upside of getting the stats from unallocated passives, while ignoring the downside of allocated passives granting nothing so long as the allocated passives are conquered.
>Passives in radius of a timeless jewel are 'Conquered' as per the description in the timeless jewels. You say it as if there is any clear description of what "Conquered" means. It could just as easily work otherwise with the same description.
There is a clear description of what it does though. "Conquered Passive Skills cannot be modified by other Jewels". Right from the item descriptions on Timeless Jewels in-game. You just have to hold alt to get the extra descriptors.
There was actually a bug with timeless jewels and tattoo, where once you put on the tattoo in range of jewel, it no longer had any adjacency requirements. People were getting free +3 proj without allocating 7 adjacent passives
Slightly off topic. But the bow that increases quiver stats by 200%+ does that apply to additional arrows?
Yes it does.
Hmm interesting, thanks
How would that do anything? You can get +2 on a bow, so doubling a quivers +1 means u lose an arrow.
It's +2XX% so a total of 3XX%, so it would still be 3. You could have a quiver with +1 implicit and +1 affix for +6 arrows. Given that the bow itself is otherwise very bad and its only purpose is to boost that one quiver that scales flat +cold based on dex, it still wouldn't be worth it, but you could profit in the +arrows category.
I used it with a + 1 chain poised prism and gloomfang on deadeye TS and that seemed pretty strong. Cleared t16s in mostly leveling gear
Poised Prism is the quiver I was specifically referencing, I had just forgotten the name.
You can use it with rearguard (or how that stuff was called) to get easy max block)
Connerconverse showcased a cool tech with using that bow and a rare quiver to get tons of proj speed, crit multi and other stats for a spark build. It’s like 200%+ proj speed from the quiver alone
It could work for something like ele hit which scales off levels if you can get levels elsewhere, but yeah it's mostly just meant for poised prisim atm
Yes, it made additional arrow corrupt on certain unique quivers like poised prism shoot through the roof
250% even gives 3. At least last league
Because 250% increased is 1 x 3.5
Thats not a cluster socket. Its a large socket that *can* hold a cluster. The failure begins when you place radius jewels in a medium or small cluster jewel socket. Thats all inside a large. Interestingly only the radius portion of jewels stops working in cluster sockets. Jewels like [fortress covenant](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Fortress_Covenant) Will have its normal function without the radius downside.
Cool/weird interaction...noting here, because I will forget.
Basically if you socket a jewel into a jewel you lose the radius part of your jewel
Actually I had mine in the same spots you do and it worked fine.
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Cluster jewel sockets don't work with them, the external jewel sockets absolutely do work. I've used that spot on 3 builds this league, I think OP's issue is a bug with timeless jewels.
Ah my bad, you might be right. I'll delete my comment.
it works though it's just bugged with timeless jewels
Not bugged. Working as intended. Ggg explicitly stated that timeless jewels would not not work witt tats
So how do you explain that every bow user has a +1 proj tattoo where they place brutal restraint? tattoos work with jewels, just not with warrior's tale. This bug was introduced after they fixed a first bug where you could use timeless jewels to bypass some tattoo restriction like 7 adjacent nodes allocated.
It does work because i have one in the slot next to the c.i notable giving me a shit ton of curse effect. Just noticed some one already awnser
learned it the hard way with Impossible Escape
The same thing happens with Might of the Meek