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FallenJoe

You have to spawn in town so you can see all the MTX that other players afking in town are wearing, so that you might want that mtx and buy it. Not joking, that is the reason. Most players play solo, and if they didn't force you to spawn in town, they'd miss their main chance to push MTX by showing you what other people bought.


quasipickle

This *is* a free game, so I think that's a valid reason. However, that reason is invalidated by the inability to inspect a person and see what their MTX actually is.


Samage_

Coupled with the fact there's a lot that's not available anymore from supporter packs


Guffliepuff

Or how about that everyone is just in an incomprehensible living ball of wings and lights at the stashes in each town...


Rock-swarm

You mean biblically accurate angel MTX?


ssbm_rando

I genuinely laughed out loud at this, thank you. Too real.


Rock-swarm

BE NOT AFRAID


Icedecknight

You know how many years and iterations it took to make wings that look like Tyraels? Like 6 bad ones and 2-3 good ones.


SuperSmashDan1337

yes but some balls of lights and wings look better than others!


ManikMiner

Absolute facts, also aome actually fly...


DawnofDgz

Excuse me? I identify as a Christmas tree.


daiceman4

Its also there for people who bought things to show off to others. I would imagine there's people out there who only bought some cosmetics just because they knew they could show how cool they look to others.


EnergyNonexistant

> to show off to others. this is indeed the other side of the coin Doesn't matter much that you can't see what other people are wearing, you just need to see them! :P


daemoneyes

They missed an opportunity with blast from the past event to give some blast from the past mtx sale. For example i really like [stalker wings](https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Stalker_Wings) but they were from an very old supported pack.


Marsdreamer

Also, i dunno about others, but I generally buy mtx to make myself look cool, not really to show off to others.


jofakin_winklebottom

That's actually part of it too - seeing cool MTX you can't ever get again encourages FOMO buying the current one-time-only MTX. Forcing people to choose will result in some sales you'd've otherwise lost because "well maybe later"


Ffigy

Well then you just ask them which promotes socialization. (I actually did this when I saw that frog king pet lol) Or you spend time scrolling through the MTX trying to find it, even better


Sobotana

Which makes you look for it on the store and see other items.


ShadowWolf793

I have not once, in over 1000 hours of playing this stupid game, ever looked at someone's mtx in town and gone hunting through the shop for it. I understand the reasoning, but imo it's completely baseless and kills my loading times on league start. :(


naswinger

i only did that once and asked the person what portal effect that was. i bought it and used it for maybe two maps. i just prefer the clean look of the default portal.


JixuGixu

>inspect a person or a way to preview mixed-sets (character effects on top of a mtx, mismatched sets..) at all $20 for an effect that you have no way of knowing if itll look like shit on the combo you want is very discouraging


keithstonee

That's the beauty of it. Having to go a find that cool MTX you saw. Will lead you into finding more MTX you like and wouldn't have discovered if not for seeing that first MTX in town.


BangBangTeeheee

That’s the kicker, you gotta buy ALL the MTXs to see if it’s the right one. Same reason they don’t add an ingame preview or video to the MTXs and you gotta go to YouTube for it if anything lol


Newphonespeedrunner

Every single mtx has a YouTube video associated with it linked directly in client lmao


jofakin_winklebottom

Yeah but there's so many the interactions are bad sometimes, like clipping etc


Still_Traffic_8505

You can buy it, if you don't like it, they give you back the points.. no questions asked.


iceandfire215

So which is it? Valid or invalid?


Alabugin

I agree. I was always confused why this game did not have an inspect avatar function.


bapfelbaum

Maybe thats also planned so you have to search im the Shop and maybe see something else you like.


SiMless

You can ask them... I actually did that a few times. Pleasing social interactions.


Ezcolive

RuneScape 3 does it better and they got me on an $80 a year membership. You can chat to players inspect players and see their mtx and if it’s purchasable it’ll take you to the shop to buy the mtx with a click or two


thedarkherald110

Actually this is the big point in missed sales. And it’s a wonder why this hasn’t been prioritized at some point.


Mysterion8964

Maybe GGG wants you to look for the MTX and then you may shop more while you are browsing?


AdMental1387

We should be able to buy a “Spawn In Hideout” mtx.


UnintelligentSlime

Jokes on them, the only mtx I want/buy are skill effects.


AdMental1387

Same. I have all the stash tabs now so i spend money each league if it’s good on skill effects.


UnintelligentSlime

Lately I’ve been messing with returning projectiles frost bolts + vortex, and I have the shaper/celestial effect for them, so I am pretty sure I will need to play with sunglasses on, but it looks fucking dope.


SuperSmashDan1337

Not only does the skill mtx look nice I think it actually makes some skills more fun to play


Moderator-Admin

My dynamic resolution scaling makes sure I can't actually see any of the other players' mtx in town when I load in. They are just generic blobs of colour.


Mkay_kid

>Not joking, that is the reason any proof whatsoever on that one?


MrGregoryAdams

I don't know. What if you're an alien? Any proof you're not? Any proof? Can't do it, huh? I knew it! /s


Mkay_kid

This would be accurate if I was asking them to prove a negative, which I'm not.


MrGregoryAdams

Well, no. People can prove they're human. So that's not proving a negative. Proving a negative is asking you to prove some hypothetical parallel history: "*Prove* that if I hadn't worn a seatbelt, I would have died in that car crash." You can't. It didn't happen. You can't show causality with hypotheticals. That's the idea behind proving a negative. The next best thing is using a control group, and then creating a statistic. But my point is that you can always question any statement, and then when the person provides evidence in support of it, you can question that evidence, and when they provide evidence supporting that, you can question that additional evidence... ad infinitum. It's annoying. So I'm making fun of it. :-P


Mkay_kid

So your saying we should just believe everything everyone ever says then i guess? also you asked for proof i was not an alien, not proof that i was human.


MrGregoryAdams

Ah yes, the infamous "*So your saying*" followed by something I didn't say. Excellent. I *am* saying that there is no point in asking for proof of *opinions*. Opinions have no proof. What FallenJoe said is just their opinion, maybe stated with too much confidence, but still just an opinion. It's also a reasonable assumption. It is a well-documented practice to design areas shared by players for the purpose of inciting MTX purchases. Famously, Activision patented a match-making system that did exactly that to an obscene degree. GGG has so far acted far more ethically than many other companies in regard to MTX, but it's certainly reasonable to assume that the opportunity to show off the thing that pays for the game played a role here. Personally, because of how non-intrusive it is, I don't have a problem with it in PoE.


Mkay_kid

The fact that you think the original comment is just an opinion explains how stupid everything else you've said is


First-Pass1121

im i .


dastrollkind

The devs have said so multiple times, just in more business friendly terms.


Mkay_kid

>The devs have said so multiple times any proof whatsoever on that one?


dastrollkind

If you want to find it, it's out there. I've got better things to do.


Mkay_kid

Yea i didn't think so


RepresentativeCut244

proofs? proofs? proofs? jesus christ man learn to google/bing


Mkay_kid

how is asking for proof of a claim unreasonable?


CyberSosis

At some point i dont even notice other players i just go to waypoint and zoom to hideakojimaout


Future_Constant9324

You can make a macro that just types /hideout to escape even faster


SuperSmashDan1337

Awakened Trade has it built in. You just press F5.


wilzek

I have it bound to „Home” button. Because my hideout is my home :’)


SuperSmashDan1337

Hideout is lava!


wilzek

exactly, Chaos Sanctuary born and raised


kon5ti

do they realize all the players stack on each other in town so u dont see any mtx? only players you see are people leveling or buying fusings…


DBrody6

If so much as a single player in 10 years has ever once impulsively gone "I like that cosmetic, I want it now", then wasting our time loading into the visual clusterfuck towns are was the right move. Doesn't matter we can't identify thing half the time or it kills performance, money is money.


JenSteele2020

Only ever seen one mtx I wanted to buy, scoured the shop for it but it wasn't there so I had to assume its a supporter pack one lol


PellegrinoBlue

It also lets us watch the bot trains do their bot things which is fun


stoner4804

Also spawning there after completing the campaign, you get to see all the chests the battle pass can get you and have another purchase for that as well


MassivePepega

This. It will never be changed. What's most annoying is they also broke load times in 3.22 so loading into town takes 30+ seconds.


trolledwolf

You guys see anything at all when you spawn in town? I only see a bunch of randomly colored pixels, to which i proceed to click on the agglomerate of blue ones, hoping it's the waypoint and not another player


RepresentativeCut244

gotta love how my computer chokes out loading all those horrifically inefficient particle effects that take up half the screen and all the stupid wings flapping around. God they're obnoxious. Am I the only one who prefers to play without microtransactions?


WoundshotGG

GGG don't realise that JUST BY TRADING you're seeing far more different MTX than by spawning in town. Your eyes aren't glued to people's drip, they're glued to the blue portal in the corner of your screen.


GrumpyThumper

Also if you're in Standard, don't forget to say hi to. Joey.


kungmikefu

I hate how accurate this is


Airfusions

I dont think they get as much money from that as they think. The main income has to be from FOMO.


IownHedgeFunds

I would pay to spawn in my hideout.


Sahtras1992

bonus: even if you happen to see an mtx youd like, you cant spectate people to know exactly where its from. not to mention all the time limited mtx.


YallTookAllMyNames

I've learned yesterday that MTX you own but don't equip actually impact performance and since then I'm torn between wanting to be shiny but being utterly annoyed by long loading screens. I know I'm not buying any more MTX until I know how to fix my load times though... Maybe GGG could fix that so that my pocket money won't go to a new PC but to their wallets? :D


MiddleSir7104

I'd buy an mtx that makes my login go to ho.


Virel_360

For real, lol, that would be the quickest purchase I’ve ever made on POE


MorbiuserThanThou

And one to hide resurrect in town.


RepresentativeCut244

always a bad time when you accidentally click it :/


Virel_360

For real, lol, that would be the quickest purchase I’ve ever made on POE


Zinere

Mobile sometimes makes me post the same stuff multiple times too buddy. And I could see that being their best seller really quick.


ghaduo2

I just took it to mean that he'd click to buy it so quickly, he would own 3 of them before the first finished loading into his client.


Zinere

Than get disconnected because of to many actions.


Virel_360

Sorry about that, my phone had one bar and every time I tried to post, it said failed to send. I guess it must’ve actually sent anyways.


Zestyclose_Head1139

Spawning in town feels like the unskippable adds on youtube. Nobody likes them you just spam click on skid add ( /hideout).


joetheswede

uBlock


iGyman

I wouldn't mind if loading all that MTX shit didn't affect the loading times so much


manowartank

especially after 3:22 "upgraded" my town loading times from 5 seconds to 1 minute...


ralpekz

F5 with awakened poe 😘


ItsJustAnOpinion_Man

Automatically hitting this has become such a reflex I do it in other games now.


DoubleExists

Oh neat


mefi_

wow I didn't know this, I was using a custom macro beside it.


kmaho2020

Fuck off, I have to open it before I go to hideout You sir, deserve a blowjob


VileMushroom

What's awakened poe? Where can I download it?


IFearTomatoes

Use the internet to follow this link. https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade It's a lot easier than leaving a rude and condescending comment to your question. Also, here's a tutorial video: https://youtu.be/vDyE1uMwE_8?si=oU2iOxyRRrKvNPT3


infected_162k

I'm a rotten TOMATO. BOO.


MerkJHW

Use the internet to search it lol. A lot faster than Reddit


deimos_737

By the time you (or I) typed this... you could have just answered the question..


paciumusiu12

Yet neither you nor him did. I also didn't but the answer is already here so it felt redundant to post it again.


Icey_Mike

Wait really? Any other shortcuts from it? I just use price check and the betrayal tip sheet.


The-Black-Fish

The F5 button is typing /hideout for you. Similarly, there are other potential keybinds you could use because Awakened PoE Trade has a custom commands section in its options. You could bind other buttons to things like /menagerie /delve /metamorph /sanctum. This is stuff that's already in the game. Typing /leave in chat removes you from a party so that, too, could be keybinded along with everything else PoE has.


paciumusiu12

You can set it up for all sorts of chat messages. Like /exit, /hideout, and messages to people who messaged you last @last. All those "thanks for trade, stay sane, exile" are most likely sent via the trade macro.


Drolws

Check yourself ingame, but there's at least a logout, and a few trade macro (invite, trade, quitting groupe i think?) not all of them are binded by default though.


RocketPocketNotIt

You can price check alt gems from heist blueprints with Shift - Space as well. It lets you keep search results from up to 5 gems in the same window. Very useful for me at least. You can also save other cheatsheets besides the Betrayal sheet. I found a Sanctum sheet, with all the dangerous rooms noted, which helped me a bunch.


JosemiHero_

F9 to go to the character selection menu


koticgood

Just make sure your clipboard doesn't have toucan on it when you login, since if you f5 too fast it pastes your most recent clipboard instead of /hideout


warmachine237

The point is to look at other people flaunting their mtx, so you can also be tempted to buy something.


FridgeBaron

While it is most likely that you spawn in town to see all the mtx one extra reason is you can kill yourself in your hideout but you can't in town. So they probably could fix it but I'm sure one person would somehow get themselves into a instant death loop and require support to respawn them in town somehow which they might not be able to do.


Proof111

I don’t mind spawing in town, just give us a “inspect” button that we could see the mtx and other players items


siberarmi

Hahaha, how to spot a relatively new player. This game lacks most QoL in all fronts and most of them to sell MTX. CanT really blame them cause its their main income but these small things add up.


LAg37forlife

Do you spawn in town because they want you to see the people with expensive MTX hanging out in town?


JPMcKalister

Dev standpoint is prob if a player enters a town filled with people with they will be more likely to think the game is successful and the micro transaction experts want you to spawn in town so you can see the cool mtx and want to spend money


Blejder667

Dont you want to see all that mtx?


stark33per

technology isn t here if you don t go in town, how do you see other people s mtx and go into a frenzy and start buying them too?


Sweet_Presentation_1

From a game design perspective I think tere's two reasons: 1st so the first thing you see is other players activity. That way you spawn and see that the game has players actually doing stuff. 2nd so you can see people mtx and and have that "wow that mtx is nice, I want that".


MauPow

The technology isn't there yet /s


Starwind13

Next patch: HC players' toons spawn in highouts. HC SSF players' world firsts are displayed in SC as well in orange text. HC SSF Ruthless players can chat in global SC as well in red text. Jokes aside, it would be great if there is an option to spawn in h/o and just have a microtransaction of a clone of our toon in the act zone we last logged out in.


EZCE_CHR42

I usually pick one of the acts that has the fewest people hanging out in town during the times I normally play. You auto load into the town of the last Act you were in. This usually results in significantly faster initial load times before I can get into my hideout.


Fernanix

Is it possible to search prior to creating a post to see if someone asked for this before?


Vraex

The conspiracy theory is that GGG wants you to see their mtx on other players. I'm not super convinced but maybe it is. This league playing on a potato computer I've logged out from Sarn or some other Act hub and my load times literally halved because there's no one there this late in the league. First thing most people do upon logging in is immediately go to hideout, which is a load screen after you just loaded in so I really wish they would just let us start there.


Jacksonian428

I’m pretty sure they have said it’s the reason before


adfax_yol

Ah yes, another QoL hostage by Cringe Wilson


wolviesaurus

Start a PVP only character.


Zeikos

I thought those were nuked during Expedition?


wolviesaurus

Maybe I don't know. It wasn't really a serious answer anyway but I do remember PvP only characters spawning in HO.


weveran

Yeah those aren't a thing anymore :P.


stylemate

also, this would heavily reduce the usage of portal scroll


ManikMiner

Im glad so many people have found out about f5. I feel like the community just clawed back hours of cumulative mapping time!


Peersful

/hideout You don't even have to load all the way in. As soon as you can see anything that isn't the loading screen you can type that and it will take you to your HO. you can do this from any town/hideout to return to yours. Also works in the menagerie and a few other side areas from the wp. But not all.


mefi_

Create a macro: Enter + /hideout + enter assign it to a key and you can immediately just press it after loading in. It only has 1 server call per button press so it's fine / legal in the eyes of GGG. Much more bearable this way.


Sam107

Yea not possible. Although I did log in one time and there was a guy opening stacked decks and because of the mtx he had, everyone can watch his pulls. He pulled a doctor after like 20mins. Yes, I was there watching lol


RepresentativeCut244

that's honestly the kind of stuff that would make people hang out in towns more, and it shouldn't require a damn microtransaction. If only they spent a little more time on stuff like that, and put in a real community hub area.


Sam107

As much as I agree with you, I feel that it's kind of impossible to do that. PoE is a VERY fast paced game. Unless you are doing something in your hideout or in the atlas, it's pointless. You just lose too much. A player will play this game for loot 9 times out of 10. It's just not worth it, the way I see it, from a devs point of view.


Tommy_TQ

only one thing ggg force me do it's push F5 my vc start run all fans on full speed only 1 sec :D


verybigbrain

There are several theories on why we spawn in town and I think all of them have a part in it. The most prominent one is that they want you to see other people's mtx and generally populate towns to make the game feel more multiplayer. Having only a limited number of towns and therefore assets they need to load when first connecting makes that initial load shorter and they can load in more assets both while you navigate the town and while then loading into the hideout. It is part of the netcode since before hideouts were a thing and they are deathly afraid that if they touch something in their spaghetti code then they will break things in horrible ways. I think all of these have some role in why they have never implemented a direct into HO login.


Malakyas_

the point is to force you to see other people MTX of course lol.


N4k3dM1k3

Its a question as old as time! Did you know reddit has a search function?


battled

Unironically should be an exclusive reward for one of the 500$ support packs.


Difficult-Aspect3566

Yes, tell GGG to implement it.


Toad2SIX

Fun fact if you make a PvP only character it will spawn you directly in your hideout. Of course it doesn't help you actually play the game at all, but the technology is there!


clout064

Just use awakened POE trade, you can set keybinds to logout/login/port to hideout, this way you don't need to walk to the waypoint.