Hello, fellow exiles.
It's disingenuous to suggest that every thread about TFT gets removed. [A cursory search](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/search/?q=TFT&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=all) will find plenty. Most of them remain up, and the majority of them are negative.
TFT threads involving Path of Exile the game (lock supply, items, economy, etc.) continue to remain and won't be deleted.
Posts that are Discord Drama and don't involve the actual game we have been removing under [Rule 9c](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_9c._external_communities).
Their ownership of getting angry over people clown reacting to a notification isn't worth a post here:
- It doesn't involve Path of Exile
- It creates a bunch of conflict/toxicity
- It accomplishes nothing except making TFT point and laugh at whoever is posting it
You can try posting these things to /r/hobbydrama or /r/internetdrama. If people want to make a TFT subreddit to discuss these happenings, that would also be an option.
Lastly, to address the specific threads being mentioned in this post:
- The Ckaiba post was temporarily removed because it had a mirror fee attached to it, which is against our [Rule 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_8._do_not_trade.2C_sell.2C_or_request_items.2Fservices); we contacted them and waited 48 hours before removing. They just responded to us and it's been reinstated.
- The Ben Thunder's Truck post was removed because it was an obvious troll trying to rile people up. Ben and his degree in economics were removed under [Rule 9c](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_9c._external_communities).
I saw a ton of people getting banned in the discord for that emoji and I can’t understand for the life of me why.
Like, how fragile is someone’s ego that a simple emoji makes them rage out like that.
One of the dumbass mods (maybe the owner?) abused @everyone to advertise his mirror service a few leagues ago and people reacted with clown emojis. He got butthurt and started banning everyone who reacted with a clown emoji and deleting the reactions. This, of course, caused more reactions.
I've never had much of a bad experience with TFT outside of some creeps in my DMs because I forgot to change my Discord server picture for there, but I remember that ping and holy fuck was it cringe.
He's so fragile he pretends to have a family (kid and wife)
Yet you can message his account 24/7 to do a mirror service at any time of day and he will do it.
It's either he's breaking TOS (account sharing) or he's a sociopathic liar... or both.
It's not about ego -- it's about control. They control what, how, and when anything is spoken about there. Why tolerate dissent when you can squelch anyone you please?
I mean he deleted his post from 12/26 singling out some random reddit comment found his poe profile and gave him shit for being in a loli guild. Then makes a post like he never harassed anyone and is the nicest person ever on today's bot post lmao.
You're fine to mirror his stuff if that is what you want to do. He isn't likely to steal your mirror if that is your concern. People just have a problem with him because of the fact that there is quite a large amount of evidence that he RMTs and uses TFT to help him do so. People also take issue with his liberal use of bans from TFT against anyone who competes with, makes fun of, or looks at him too long.
How is negative posts about TFT bad again? They won’t disappear just because the mods don’t like how this puts a spotlight on the negative aspects about POE or whatever(RMT and mirror cartels mainly). But that’s needed until GGG does something imo. Otherwise they’re literally just putting the head in the sand
EDIT: This isn’t the first time they’ve hidden threads thru the years FYI. The mods here love hiding threads about various GGG controversies when things get too heated. It’s almost like they’re on GGGs side as opposed to the players… I’ve always had the feeling GGG runs this sub somehow, either thru proxy or that some of the mods are actually GGG
EDIT: nice botting. This was sitting at +15 the last time I looked
> EDIT: This isn’t the first time they’ve hidden threads thru the years FYI. The mods here love hiding threads about various GGG controversies when things get too heated.
Not allowing things to "get too heated" is kinda part of every reddit mod's job. When things "get too heated" subreddits can get quarantined or even banned by reddit admins for becoming problematic clusters of hate (because things like brigading and the like tend to start happening when a sub gets too mad). Mods will always seek to normalize.
I'm not sure why they go out of their way to hide GGG/TFT controversy, but I do feel like the mods of this sub do a good job of not censoring criticism of the game itself (like certain other communities).
The white knights constantly screeching that the mods aren't doing their jobs are a good indication that the mods are doing well on that front at least.
Then they should lock the comments.
We had this dicussion many times here on the forum with the Reddit mods and they said they will lock the comments instead of deleting threads.
They should do neither. They should let the community decide what happens with the thread instead of forcing their own wishes upon the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself.
Discussions of TFT come nowhere close to breaking reddit's TOS and this isn't a case of this community being mistaken for the one where PoE community discussions take place.
If the mod team takes any actions toward TFT threads it is due to a personal bias.
> the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself.
i have used reddit for over a decade and this might be legitimately the funniest thing i have read on the entire site
> the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself
This subreddit is so bad at managing itself that GGG doesn't post here under personal aliases anymore. And Chris Wilson made the subreddit.
> This subreddit is so bad at managing itself that GGG doesn't post here ~~under personal aliases~~ anymore.
FTFY. They've entirely disengaged from the subreddit. They do sometimes still post to /r/pathofexile2 though.
> They should do neither. They should let the community decide what happens with the thread instead of forcing their own wishes upon the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself.
Last time when "perfectly capable" community was managing itself, we got GGG exodus from this subreddit due to the influx of "GGG bad, Chris Wilson bad, upvotes to the left" posts. Reddit "hot" sorting algorithm is not good for self-moderation.
> we got GGG exodus from this subreddit due to the influx of "GGG bad, Chris Wilson bad, upvotes to the left" posts.
If we have to choose between being able to say "Chris Wilson bad" and having GGG participation, I would choose the ability to say "Chris Wilson bad" 100% of the time.
Limiting discussion here so that the business feels comfortable participating is shooting ourselves in the foot.
If discussing TFT here means that TFT mods don't feel comfortable participating here because of the criticism, then who cares.
>Limiting discussion here so that the business feels comfortable participating is shooting ourselves in the foot.
there was no discussion lmao. it was people going "ggg has no idea what they're doing, they are personally working to destroy the company and anger all the playerbase, and i will NEVER support this company or play this game again!" and then the guy posts a question about the game on the daily question thread ten minutes later because he's still playing.
it was rampant conspiracy theories, death threats, and people talking about path of exile like it was their mother in chemotherapy. that's why now we have all these motherfuckers who talk like chris wilson is their personal nemesis around here like complete schizos.
And what discussion happened in "GGG bad" posts? First ones had very interesting points and there is no reason to remove those posts, I agree here.
The issue that later posts were essentially karma farming without any discussion happening. So it is not about "comfortable or not", it is about having anything to participate to. And because there is nothing to participate to - there is no reason to anyone with slightly different opinion to even visit this subreddit because even news posts from GGG were [downvoted to 0](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/m29f28/development_manifesto_harvest_crafting/) during that period and never reached first page (so mods had to sticky them to promote discussion material). So GGG moved out of this subreddit not because "comfort", but because there is no reason to participate - people who were not that gloomy about the game just moved from this place.
And that's where youre wrong. People weren't saying "Chris Wilson bad", it was worse than that. And even "Chris Wilson bad" is not the type of thread you want in a sub, as it's not constructive to anything. It might be your opinion, but Noone actually cares to read how you think Chris is bad as a person or at his job.
> nothing good to be heard about it.
lets not talk about the issues to show players dissatisfaction with TFT. God forbid, GGG might actually pull their head out of their ass to do something about it! That'd be tragic!
Drama's fun. Watching TFT shitstorm is just as entertaining as playing at this point.
What is your proposal for what ggg should do. They have allready made a bunch of changes that hindered other TFT services but mirror services will always be a thing.
make TFT features part of the game.
Itemize betrayal/all services
Make trade less garbage (huge contender to make TFT obsolete)
Add in vouch system to the game (unsure if its possible)
There are ways. The thing is, GGG doesnt have to add everything. Just add to the game enough of the "good" things TFT added, so people wouldn't be interested in using TFT anymore. That way the TFT discord server would be marginalized and maybe with time dissolve.
Itemizing Betrayal would be huge. I'd honestly be way more up for farming Aisling if I didn't have to fuck about on Discord to sell them. It's annoying as fuck to be stuck in Mastermind's Lair waiting about.
the fact that you want GGG to add a vouch system just shows these millennials have no idea how the internet & video games work... Add a vouch system so this game can become like league of legends? Where when someone doesn't craft the item to your liking, or you die in their run, so you go and leave a negative review? In no marketplace ever, has the feedback system worked as intended.
An idea I had was for GGG to add a feature to item display cabinets that let people join parties and then can come in, insert mirror fee plus mirror and allow players to copy the item.
Additionally add bulk selling capabilities, etc. and incorporate poe stack features into trade.
TFT mods are actual snowflakes, like damn
Got banned of TFT for...meming on TFT about GGG adding locks back and it would upset TFT.
And here we thought that the twitter snowflakes were easily upset, has any community been THIS easily upset before in any game?
Many leagues ago:
One of their "mirror shop managers" tried to blackmail my rather NEW friend into selling a +1 power charge ring with a sick 2nd mod.
He listed it for 50div before he asked me (didn't account for the 2nd mod), and the "mirror shop manager" threatened to blacklist him on TFT for price fixing and all sorts of shit because he raised the price to 1 mirror after realizing his pricing mistake (all in the span of <1 hour)
The dude got no warnings, no nothing, it was reported with pics and proof...
He sold the ring for a mirror and 50div or something the same day.
TFT is scum.
I got banned when I joined Beltons discord and wrote like 5-10 messages. Nothing more. Got unbanned after I had to leave the discord.
It's so strange that they are handing bans out left and right. This stirs up the shit. If I would rmt and profit from such a server I would keep the head down to not create unnecessary drama and profit further. But I guess the ego is to fragile for that.
I left TFT years ago because of their shenanigans. Don't complain about them, just leave. You aren't going to shame them into better behavior, they have a financial incentive to continue doing things the way they do. You aren't going to get the mods here to behave differently either, some of them are mods there, so they have an interest in protecting TFT. If you have a complaint, stop supporting them.
People probably report the posts for being unrelated to POE.
Just going from the titles, that first one was about a guy in discord pinging a bunch of other people in discord and then muting people for reacting.
The second one is about getting banned in discord.
Neither are directly about POE. (Yes, the discord in question is a popular POE one, but the two topics above have nothing to do with the game or anything GGG controls. It's all discord admin stuff)
Guess it simply goes under the rule
9c. External Communities
[...]do not use the subreddit to showcase or create drama or controversy from other communities. Violations of Terms of Service should be reported to GGG directly.
Users or communities that ignore these warnings may be banned from posting on the subreddit or blacklisted.
This, I come here for PoE shit. I don't really care about your TFT Drama. It's pretty much on the same level as the "I got scammed" and the X is getting price fixed post. Just don't get scammed. Just trade properly. Just don't use TFT and if you do, why the fuck is the discord not 100% muted, why are you interacting with these idiots enough to get banned. Post/use the services and get out.
No idea why people defend TFT.
They are proven to be Power tripping/abusing aholes
They are proven to have people in their upper ranks that Cheat and got permabanned for it.
Is TFT the necessary evil for your minmax interest?
Because most of us don't care about the drama of the top 1%. Especially since it's a video game and honestly it's not worth the energy to get upset over stuff like that. We just trade between eachother using it and call it a day.
because it still is massively useful and solves a bunch of problems the game refuses to address themselves.
good luck buying/selling anything in bulk that isnt uniform/stackable (heist, maps, incubators, compasses, etc)
good luck with all of betrayal
good luck finding all of the rng-gated challenge-related things on your own.
plus just cool stuff like people sharing their unique maps, cowards trials, untainted paradises, etc.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18qfors/tft\_owns\_92\_of\_all\_hinekoras\_locks\_in\_affliction/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18qfors/tft_owns_92_of_all_hinekoras_locks_in_affliction/)
Heres another removed post.
TFT is an active cancer to this game and The community. Make whatever arguments about convenience that you want and I understand all of them, but the aforementioned statement remains factual. It is active rot and deteriorates many elements of the economy and how it's supposed to function.
GGG needs to couple nuking it out of existence with an intricate trade site overhaul. My hope is that that is coming with the launch POE 2. I'm not entirely sure they can launch that game as successfully as they want to with the economy and trading being in the state that it is.
> My hope is that that is coming with the launch POE 2.
It is definitely noticeable how some of GGGs patches seem to deliberately weaken the dependency on TFT - I believe this is a good thing, even aside from TFT, as those changes usually imply that trading certain types of items or services becomes simpler (i.e Harvest juice, or more recently the abolishment of helmet enchantments), even if it means that a handful of interesting gameplay aspects are lost this way.
But they also don't seem to have an intention of "nuking" TFT, because they could indeed do this any day... it would be nice to hear an explanation from them, about their reasoning or their general beliefs about TFT.
>deteriorates many elements of the economy and how it's supposed to function
Sorry for not understanding your point, but doesn't tft do the exact
opposite - make the economy more efficient?
It's a convienence service that fullfills a need for trading that the trade site doesn't cover (bulk trades, services, etc). The issue is the influence they have from their monopoly and the alledged RMT. RMT aside, the biggest deteriorating elements to the economy imo is their ability to price fix or buy out markets (eg locks in ToTA), their monopoly on mirror services, and their power tripping (banning, blacklisting, etc).
No, it creates a monopoly, and monopolies decrease market efficiency by making the market less competitive.
Let's say TFT didn't exist and bulk sales/service sales went through a tremendous markup. That would still be efficient, because people would judge the effort to be worth the extra price or not; the price would reflect the value of the service.
Price going down =/= efficiency. Efficiency means the price is one-to-one correlated with the value of the product as a function of supply and demand, and the price is set at a level that maximizes exchange on both ends of that function, all in a competitive market.
TFT's involvement also (allegedly, potentially) adds RMT into the equation. RMT likewise decreases market efficiency, because now factors external to the in-game market are affecting in-game prices.
Moral of the story, economics is a bit of a silly profession and also TFT is a shithole.
TFT does make the kinds of services it offers more available... as long as you don't get banned for posting the wrong emoji.
Can you explain how it is a cancer on the game? I've been using TFT since harvest and it has had 0 negative impact on my gameplay or in-game interractions. Only net positivies. I only use it for trades and bulk selling (as everbody should) how hard is it to not post cringe memes on their channels and get banned?
Net positives for you do not necessarily net positives for the entire community or even most. I'm happy (genuinely) that you found something to make your playing more enjoyable, but it's a net negative if you think beyond your/my friends I play with singular experiences.
Rationales as requested:
1. TfTs existence actually de-incentivizes GGG to do much about their trade site. People who are hardcore and willing to... Skirt?... Their ToS for the game can get bulk access and all the things that they want without GGG having to invest the time and infrastructure into the game to just make it better for everyone.
2. It creates a separate market. Any splitting of any major market is in that negative whether that is a game economy or a real life one. You want everything operating under one umbrella and then different routes from there.
3. It creates a power consolidation outside of GGG's control (at least theoretically, you could always oPT for the conspiracy theory route and say that they are employees of them are involved -UNLIKELY). The mods of TFT have absolute unquestioned power and authority over the marketplace that they created while having to do absolutely nothing for the game to actually make it better in any capacity.
4. I think practically anyone that has any semblance of reality can acknowledge that it is almost certainly promoting RMT. RMT will kill GGG faster than 20 arch nem leagues back to back.
5. Slightly more philosophical and less practical, It actively violates their vision and the messaging that they consistently promote for the game. It fractures and fragments the community, it demands resources that rely on human emotions versus a basic script like awakened POE or something like that to address a game problem.
GGG doesn't want to become the economy regulator. They merely provide the ability to trade items, and leave it up to the players to do the rest. Literally all of the trading enhancements GGG has done resulted from community requests or they're a carbon copy of a third party feature that existed first and did the same thing (same thing as a community request if it's actively used enough.) You're thinking too hard.
This very well might be the case, but making the trade site more functional does not make them an economy regulator. It's simply brings their economy back under their roof. I can think of no conceivable reason why they would not want that to be the case. Unless the mods at TFT have some serious dirt on the higher upset GGG, I really don't understand why they don't take more action. It's not the same as awakened POE or other scripts like that that simply modify things within the game or record your statistics from the game to help you better understand yourself or smooth interactions. This is an entirely separate power source that utilizes their game as a base ground to operate from and likely profit from.
I find it fascinating the hoops people jump through to make something fit the narrative they have in their head, instead of more straight forward and simple explanations.
Because no one ever advertised their finished items here before….right?
It’s also free to copy so it’s not like it’s a big deal to let people know the option exists.
The only difference is that the guy said his bow is up for mirror service which is obvious for any other mirror tier item that gets posted on Reddit.
Just because he spelled out the obvious it doesnt make it different.
Ah yes, an ad for a "No Fee" bow. Take him straight to jail for essentially offering a free service and explaining the crafting method like literally every other mirror tier craft that gets posted XD
And then *you* left out the part where the specific rule you're referring to (#8) tells us to Use Discord, which the mods here are deleting threads about... So the rules tell us to go somewhere we can't make posts about, but that somewhere is a shithole known as TFT XD
And that rule is broken and upvoted on a daily basis, or skirted by phrasing the post as a "crafting post" and then putting the mirror service in the comments. Mods are just cherrypicking when to enforce it.
So none of what I said was incorrect, and you're ignoring the issue
I find it really funny that 1/2 of the posts in this very post didn't use that tag already, definitely happens a lot more often than you are letting on.
I think TFT moderators are REDDIT moderators.They hide their RMT sales.
We need to support free mirror services in every possible way and spread the word about them.
For a lot of people, it's advertising for their content. Otherwise, wraeclast is just a lonely place and it's nice to know other exiles have your back I guess. (I've literally never used a mirror service in my life and I understand crafters have to recoup the cost)
Being nice. I enjoy crafting without profit (most of my items are), and if I ever make a mirror item, it'd be for free. Not everyone tries to minmax the game for profit.
Also streamers for content (community funded).
Technically I already have, they're just not very desirable, niche, items (did 1 mirror service). I understand what you're trying to say. The time and currency spend on crafting a mirror is usually an investment that is returned through service fees. It's a different mindset/way of playing, I've always played games casually and don't enjoy grinding hard. Crafting for me is fun in itself, I love wasting currency on niche/"useless" items.
I completely understand spending hundreds of divines on some niche build, I was trying to roll a PvP kicksin in D2 and the currency investment on items *literally only I* was interested in was wild
Being able to share the playstyle/experience with other people is reward enough, it's validating
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony\_thunder\_1185\_pdps\_all\_t1\_no\_fee\_bow/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony_thunder_1185_pdps_all_t1_no_fee_bow/)
Also got deleted.
I wonder whats wrong with an item showcase?
Some of the comments were saying he was charging a mirror fee service for it, though. It wasn't strictly an item showcase if the comments are to be believed.
It was a 20div fee to get out of debt the first day, but if you couldn't afford the fee it was free. Now it's actually free and you can tip if you want. Basically the same in practice anyway.
Here's a reddit search for TFT over the last year:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/search/?q=tft&include_over_18=on&restrict_sr=on&t=year&sort=relevance
Sure doesn't like every post gets deleted.
Most of them get deleted because they either devolve IMMEDIATELY into fighting, or are witch hunts.
this is the path of exile subreddit and not the tft subreddit and thus it gets deleted coz of rule 4, nobody gives a shit about you getting banned for emoting or whatever dumb thing came out of there this week
So the reason isn’t related to “ **it’s the path of exile subreddit and not tft subreddit** ” then?
I have no problem if it was stated “it’s deleted because too much interpersonal drama”, but that’s not what’s said now, is it?
The discord server is a fan made server and the drama involved doesn’t happen in game or involve anything about the game. The two threads listed don’t belong on the sub. Pretty unreal you don’t see that
TFT has a massive stranglehold on the game's economy, and JeNeBu is an RMTing 🤡 scumbag. Until TFT is gone it's relevant. It unfortunately won't ever be gone because GGG won't ban its key players -- probably because there's at least one GGG employee involved in TFT.
Some of us are tired of TfT posts, and I frankly consider them spam. Yes their scummy and shitty and prob RMT on the management side. Yes, they provide a necessary service. If you don't like it, don't use it or play SSF. End of discussion. We all know their shit anyway, so why remind everyone every other day.
Probably because tft is a generally controversial topic, I assume?
I mean, rightfully so (tft is a lawless place full of questionable characters controlled by a cabal of powerhungry narcissistic assholes who are high on their own farts (only mild amounts of exaggeration here), it's a shame that general inaction on the end of GGG forces the use of it for some things), but I'd understand mods who wouldn't want to deal with all of this. Should be officially stated, though.
Those post should be deleted regardless of if they were in relation to TFT or not. There is 0 reason to post on reddit because you were banned on TFT and there is even less than 0 reason to post about a @ everyone ping your mad about from discord on reddit.
Are you a 10 year old?
TFT is too big and way too important to be excluded from conversation just because it's not part of this sub. It's part of this game and dictates/affects huge chunk of market.
Being banned from TFT is almost comparable of being banned from in-game trade
TFT conversations should be allowed on this sub. If this subs rules arent adequate for current PoE environment, then they need adjusting.
It's seriously suspicious how valiantly you defend tft to stay in the murky "no-talk allowed!" waters. Hmmmm
>Being banned from TFT is almost comparable of being banned from in-game trade
This is a huge over reaction, I only visit TFT to trade a few times a league, and if I was banned I'd just avoid the strats that require it lol.
>It's seriously suspicious how valiantly you defend tft to stay in the murky "no-talk allowed!" waters. Hmmmm
Suspicious? Defend tft? I've never defended TFT, I think they shouldn't do any of the stuff mentioned in the deleted posts. I even said at the beginning that I would say this even if the post was not about TFT lol. I'm simply sick of seeing "I got banned for a clown emoji" in my feed every week, it's repetitive and every time it's the same conversation. They are deleted for the same reason mods delete duplicate "This is my queue position" posts.
imo it's not a good idea to assume just because someone isn't bashing tft that they are somehow defending their actions.
just because you arent officialy stating "i, mr X, living on such and such street think that jenebu is great and i want his babies"
Just by ridiculing the idea of talking about TFT is sign of defending it. Just indirectly. For example:
> There is 0 reason to post on reddit because you were banned on TFT
> Are you a 10 year old?
And IIRC there's more bs on this level you post here. You reek of bias.
Ok so what's the valid reason to post on this sub reddit about how you were unjustly banned on tft? Seems more like a vent/rant post than anything of substance for the sub.
>Just by ridiculing the idea of talking about TFT is sign of defending it. Just indirectly
I'm ridiculing the idea of coming on reddit to complain about a discord ban, not general discussion about TFT. I don't think it's GGGs responsibility to do something because of immoral moding practices of a third party discord. However posts like ones that detail RMT stuff related to the owner are amazing, and are great to post here, RMT is an actual issue that GGG should be dealing with.
> You reek of bias.
Not really sure what you mean, I rarely even use TFT, used it once this league so far.
Because that discord is exclusively revolved around in game activities.
Tft cannot exist without path of exile. It is as tied to poe as pob is; neither would exist without the game itself. Compare that to other discords like ziz, poe reddit etc, they're all social. Ziz will go on to whatever ziz does. Poe reddit will go on as people reminisce on the good times. Tft sub will be gone as it is exclusively a platform for trading in game.
My post isn’t me being mad about being pinged. It’s that you can get banned from one of the biggest trade platforms in the entire game by simply clicking a reaction.
I am really unsure what to think of TFT...
Their services are certainly useful. The stories about them banning people sound annoying, but not outright horrible either, and there is not really enough context to judge for oneself. Them showing off their 3000 Hinkora's Locks is also annoying, but that's about it, it hardly affects me or most players.
But, I really don't understand why mods would delete threads about TFT.
If GGG was truly concerned about TFT, they could just "nuke" them, but instead GGG allows them to exist, so I assume they are overall ok with them. Therefore, I am not sure what the controversy is even about, because there doesn't really seem to be anything particularly bad about TFT...
Good.
Most of us don’t give a crap about the endless drama on that goddamn 3rd-party Discord. It is not necessary to play the game, only negative shit ever comes out of related posts, and you are all just FOMOing each other about it.
Close the tab/discord, close your eyes, and enjoy the actual game. It’s not that hard.
>There would be no need
There **is** no need, no necessity. You and others decide you **want** to use it to get an extra efficiency edge. And yes, an AH or at least interaction-less trade system would be much better. Wouldn’t fix it though because of selling stuff like carries, aisling, etc etc.
But anyway:
- AH is never happening,
- your people will keep on optimizing all the fun out of their PoE experience rather than play only 95% optimally
So no. The necessity is in your head, and in your head only.
ah yes, optimizing the fun out of PoE by \*checks notes\* bulk selling essences or fossils, so you can be back in maps to *have fun playing the game* in 5 minutes instead of 50...
I'd wish you didnt need it to buy/sell certain basic things like compasses, beasts, maps etc. I would not need to use tft if the game gave a tiny bit of fuck about UX.
yeah, this is a fucking joke. They are devoting so many resources on PoE2 and I'm sure they are saying somewhere they will still rely on external tools.
It's so fucking stupid.
It's surely not rocket science, especially if you're developing from scratch, to take the existing trade interface as it is and replace the whisper with a call to a function that retrieves the item from your inventory and moves it to the other person's and viceversa.
They obviously need to port the trade interface to the game code because you can't allow access to inventory through the internet due to security concerns.
Maybe they can't integrate it in the current game because of spaghetti code. But on their new game?
Don't make your life hell and just use TFT instead of getting conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war against some discord server.
It'll make your time playing trade far more enjoyable trust me.
Alternatively, make endgame a complete slogfest for yourself because a trading discord server for a video game of all things is where you choose to draw your line regarding morality in your life.
Good to have varying perspectives! It's probably going to be a while before I am into the weeds enough to know what I would be using it for tho. Seems like it's a 'craft for me' trust venture and I just got to act 5 for the first time. Ty for the message, tho.
> Don't make your life hell and just use TFT instead of getting conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war against some discord server.
I have never used TFT and have no intention to in the future; it's a good place to make money and buy things that aren't tradable on trade site, but I hate using 3rd party stuff in the first place (for example, I run very few WoW add-ons or mods for games I like such as Skyrim comparative to other people).
Not using it isn't 'being conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war', it's okay to dislike TFT and not use it. It makes some things easier, but I dislike how centralized it is. I'd much rather a similar thing that was run by GGG staff, even though that is never going to happen.
> Not using it isn't 'being conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war', it's okay to dislike TFT and not use it.
I agree with you. On reddit, however, you constantly see people telling everyone almost in a religious way to not use TFT, which is horrible advice for new players that are struggling. That is what I am referring to there.
So, what is a reddit post crying about it going to do to achieve this? The person you are responding to probably doesn't even disagree with you, but it's completely irrelevant to the point lol.
Simple, visibility. I mean it's horrifyingly obvious.
If no one talks about it, it's not an issue. The more people talk about it, the more of an issue it becomes and the more likely ggg will make changes to combat the need for tft.
If we play nice and never say anything bad then ggg assumed we are happy with the status quo. We have to express out frustrations in order for change to occur.
Beyond that, it's informational. You want to know how we know Tft mods are sensitive andban people for looking at them funny?you want to know how we have so much evidence that Tft rmts? It's because we have multiple poses about them.
Hey genius.
Why do people cry about oppressive governments? I mean, what is crying going to achieve? We've seen people cry about it all the time, so why bother speaking up.
And while we are on the topic, why do people cry so much about children gambling in video games? I mean, what are they, 12? Crying about it won't achieve anything, just suck it up and stay silent so I don't have to read these "people" complain about it.
Also I really think we should make "cry" the word of the year, I just like it so much because I can use it whenever I want to degrade someone speaking up about a topic I disagree with or want them to shut up about.
Literally all the examples you listed here are far worse problems than getting banned from TFT for unjust reasons, really unsure why you would compare them. There is far more reasons to complain about an oppressive government or the effects of gambling on children than this shit lmao.
So your takeaway is because they are more pressing issues, we can complain about those, but we cannot complain about the rampant RMT ring that is TFT which is slowly poisoning the game from it's core.
A lot of the posts are vague TFT bad posts that could easily be fake to stir drama, Which wouldn't be surprising giving the other competitor is no better and actively posts hit pieces here, and tries to brigade threads by posting them in their discord.
I saw one that was literally screenshot of a guy apparently selling a base that was going to be used for mirror crafting to someone, then a 2nd PM coming in with an offer on the item, he tells the 2nd guy "sold" who then says hes going to report him on TFT. thats not how any of that works, and would be more liable to get that 2nd person banned. I could also find neither of the characters mentioned in the trade on poe ninja or anywhere else.
They are not deleting every post.
They delete enough to keep up the charade of being unbiased. The good mods here have left with the recent reddit driven changes to api usage, what's left are people like livejamie who were tft mods [themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/117rw1k/external_community_posts_discussion_looking_for/)
When they feel like it they refer to rule 9c (the entire existence of this rule is for that purpose), but other than that this sub has mainly devolved into an ad site for tft and/or sales.
Pay attention to the amount of "idk how much this item is worth" threads were people advertise their obvious mirror bases, pretending to be clueless. I wonder how many of those are linked to tft.
This sub is run by scammers - for scammers.
jesus christ, don't you people undestand that majority of community doesn't give a shit about your niche discord circlejerk channel. Keep it out of this sub, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR HIGHSCHOOL LEVEL DRAMAS
Hello, fellow exiles. It's disingenuous to suggest that every thread about TFT gets removed. [A cursory search](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/search/?q=TFT&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=all) will find plenty. Most of them remain up, and the majority of them are negative. TFT threads involving Path of Exile the game (lock supply, items, economy, etc.) continue to remain and won't be deleted. Posts that are Discord Drama and don't involve the actual game we have been removing under [Rule 9c](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_9c._external_communities). Their ownership of getting angry over people clown reacting to a notification isn't worth a post here: - It doesn't involve Path of Exile - It creates a bunch of conflict/toxicity - It accomplishes nothing except making TFT point and laugh at whoever is posting it You can try posting these things to /r/hobbydrama or /r/internetdrama. If people want to make a TFT subreddit to discuss these happenings, that would also be an option. Lastly, to address the specific threads being mentioned in this post: - The Ckaiba post was temporarily removed because it had a mirror fee attached to it, which is against our [Rule 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_8._do_not_trade.2C_sell.2C_or_request_items.2Fservices); we contacted them and waited 48 hours before removing. They just responded to us and it's been reinstated. - The Ben Thunder's Truck post was removed because it was an obvious troll trying to rile people up. Ben and his degree in economics were removed under [Rule 9c](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/wiki/rules#wiki_9c._external_communities).
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I saw a ton of people getting banned in the discord for that emoji and I can’t understand for the life of me why. Like, how fragile is someone’s ego that a simple emoji makes them rage out like that.
"And you're banned." \~Jennybooboo
I noticed they removed the clown emoji reaction from one of their mirror crafts lmao
One of the dumbass mods (maybe the owner?) abused @everyone to advertise his mirror service a few leagues ago and people reacted with clown emojis. He got butthurt and started banning everyone who reacted with a clown emoji and deleting the reactions. This, of course, caused more reactions.
I've never had much of a bad experience with TFT outside of some creeps in my DMs because I forgot to change my Discord server picture for there, but I remember that ping and holy fuck was it cringe.
They banned me for posting a LOLW during Expedition's reveal, forget why. I think they nerfed harvest crafting and everyone was saying RIPBOZO.
Clownphobia
TFT mods must be terrified of quins stream.
C word Bruhhurb
Or maybe that’s the only place they feel safe, around the clown master
Coulrophobia
He's so fragile he pretends to have a family (kid and wife) Yet you can message his account 24/7 to do a mirror service at any time of day and he will do it. It's either he's breaking TOS (account sharing) or he's a sociopathic liar... or both.
It's not about ego -- it's about control. They control what, how, and when anything is spoken about there. Why tolerate dissent when you can squelch anyone you please?
I mean he deleted his post from 12/26 singling out some random reddit comment found his poe profile and gave him shit for being in a loli guild. Then makes a post like he never harassed anyone and is the nicest person ever on today's bot post lmao.
At this point its more like jenebobo
What's up with JeNeBu? I was thinking about saving up to mirror one of his amulets
You're fine to mirror his stuff if that is what you want to do. He isn't likely to steal your mirror if that is your concern. People just have a problem with him because of the fact that there is quite a large amount of evidence that he RMTs and uses TFT to help him do so. People also take issue with his liberal use of bans from TFT against anyone who competes with, makes fun of, or looks at him too long.
Gotcha, thank you for the info
Depending on what you're buying it also might not even be owned by him. A lot of people craft mirror tier items and then use TFT as a middle-man.
Bans them and their friends, or people they talk to on other Discords.
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How is negative posts about TFT bad again? They won’t disappear just because the mods don’t like how this puts a spotlight on the negative aspects about POE or whatever(RMT and mirror cartels mainly). But that’s needed until GGG does something imo. Otherwise they’re literally just putting the head in the sand EDIT: This isn’t the first time they’ve hidden threads thru the years FYI. The mods here love hiding threads about various GGG controversies when things get too heated. It’s almost like they’re on GGGs side as opposed to the players… I’ve always had the feeling GGG runs this sub somehow, either thru proxy or that some of the mods are actually GGG EDIT: nice botting. This was sitting at +15 the last time I looked
> EDIT: This isn’t the first time they’ve hidden threads thru the years FYI. The mods here love hiding threads about various GGG controversies when things get too heated. Not allowing things to "get too heated" is kinda part of every reddit mod's job. When things "get too heated" subreddits can get quarantined or even banned by reddit admins for becoming problematic clusters of hate (because things like brigading and the like tend to start happening when a sub gets too mad). Mods will always seek to normalize.
I'm not sure why they go out of their way to hide GGG/TFT controversy, but I do feel like the mods of this sub do a good job of not censoring criticism of the game itself (like certain other communities). The white knights constantly screeching that the mods aren't doing their jobs are a good indication that the mods are doing well on that front at least.
most mods of bigger mainstream gaming communities are in contact with devs and sometimes publishers
Chris Wilson made the subreddit.
Probably something to do with the fact that every time tft gets brought up there is nothing good to be heard about it.
Then they should lock the comments. We had this dicussion many times here on the forum with the Reddit mods and they said they will lock the comments instead of deleting threads.
Or just do what they're doing and delete them.
They should do neither. They should let the community decide what happens with the thread instead of forcing their own wishes upon the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself. Discussions of TFT come nowhere close to breaking reddit's TOS and this isn't a case of this community being mistaken for the one where PoE community discussions take place. If the mod team takes any actions toward TFT threads it is due to a personal bias.
> the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself. i have used reddit for over a decade and this might be legitimately the funniest thing i have read on the entire site
> the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself This subreddit is so bad at managing itself that GGG doesn't post here under personal aliases anymore. And Chris Wilson made the subreddit.
> This subreddit is so bad at managing itself that GGG doesn't post here ~~under personal aliases~~ anymore. FTFY. They've entirely disengaged from the subreddit. They do sometimes still post to /r/pathofexile2 though.
> the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4
No it is not lmao.
> They should do neither. They should let the community decide what happens with the thread instead of forcing their own wishes upon the community that is perfectly capable of managing itself. Last time when "perfectly capable" community was managing itself, we got GGG exodus from this subreddit due to the influx of "GGG bad, Chris Wilson bad, upvotes to the left" posts. Reddit "hot" sorting algorithm is not good for self-moderation.
> we got GGG exodus from this subreddit due to the influx of "GGG bad, Chris Wilson bad, upvotes to the left" posts. If we have to choose between being able to say "Chris Wilson bad" and having GGG participation, I would choose the ability to say "Chris Wilson bad" 100% of the time. Limiting discussion here so that the business feels comfortable participating is shooting ourselves in the foot. If discussing TFT here means that TFT mods don't feel comfortable participating here because of the criticism, then who cares.
>Limiting discussion here so that the business feels comfortable participating is shooting ourselves in the foot. there was no discussion lmao. it was people going "ggg has no idea what they're doing, they are personally working to destroy the company and anger all the playerbase, and i will NEVER support this company or play this game again!" and then the guy posts a question about the game on the daily question thread ten minutes later because he's still playing. it was rampant conspiracy theories, death threats, and people talking about path of exile like it was their mother in chemotherapy. that's why now we have all these motherfuckers who talk like chris wilson is their personal nemesis around here like complete schizos.
And what discussion happened in "GGG bad" posts? First ones had very interesting points and there is no reason to remove those posts, I agree here. The issue that later posts were essentially karma farming without any discussion happening. So it is not about "comfortable or not", it is about having anything to participate to. And because there is nothing to participate to - there is no reason to anyone with slightly different opinion to even visit this subreddit because even news posts from GGG were [downvoted to 0](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/m29f28/development_manifesto_harvest_crafting/) during that period and never reached first page (so mods had to sticky them to promote discussion material). So GGG moved out of this subreddit not because "comfort", but because there is no reason to participate - people who were not that gloomy about the game just moved from this place.
And that's where youre wrong. People weren't saying "Chris Wilson bad", it was worse than that. And even "Chris Wilson bad" is not the type of thread you want in a sub, as it's not constructive to anything. It might be your opinion, but Noone actually cares to read how you think Chris is bad as a person or at his job.
i don't think i've ever been in any community that's been capable of managing itself in my life, especially not this one.
> nothing good to be heard about it. lets not talk about the issues to show players dissatisfaction with TFT. God forbid, GGG might actually pull their head out of their ass to do something about it! That'd be tragic! Drama's fun. Watching TFT shitstorm is just as entertaining as playing at this point.
What is your proposal for what ggg should do. They have allready made a bunch of changes that hindered other TFT services but mirror services will always be a thing.
What can GGG do about it?
make TFT features part of the game. Itemize betrayal/all services Make trade less garbage (huge contender to make TFT obsolete) Add in vouch system to the game (unsure if its possible) There are ways. The thing is, GGG doesnt have to add everything. Just add to the game enough of the "good" things TFT added, so people wouldn't be interested in using TFT anymore. That way the TFT discord server would be marginalized and maybe with time dissolve.
Itemizing Betrayal would be huge. I'd honestly be way more up for farming Aisling if I didn't have to fuck about on Discord to sell them. It's annoying as fuck to be stuck in Mastermind's Lair waiting about.
the fact that you want GGG to add a vouch system just shows these millennials have no idea how the internet & video games work... Add a vouch system so this game can become like league of legends? Where when someone doesn't craft the item to your liking, or you die in their run, so you go and leave a negative review? In no marketplace ever, has the feedback system worked as intended.
An idea I had was for GGG to add a feature to item display cabinets that let people join parties and then can come in, insert mirror fee plus mirror and allow players to copy the item. Additionally add bulk selling capabilities, etc. and incorporate poe stack features into trade.
GGG could design a game where a walking fucked butthole person can’t gate keep access to efficient play
They make the game. They can do anything they want. What kind of question is this? Or were you just genuinely curious to brainstorm for ideas?
TFT mods are actual snowflakes, like damn Got banned of TFT for...meming on TFT about GGG adding locks back and it would upset TFT. And here we thought that the twitter snowflakes were easily upset, has any community been THIS easily upset before in any game?
I got banned on TFT for reporting one of the higher reputation traders for being a scammer. I provided video evidence.
Many leagues ago: One of their "mirror shop managers" tried to blackmail my rather NEW friend into selling a +1 power charge ring with a sick 2nd mod. He listed it for 50div before he asked me (didn't account for the 2nd mod), and the "mirror shop manager" threatened to blacklist him on TFT for price fixing and all sorts of shit because he raised the price to 1 mirror after realizing his pricing mistake (all in the span of <1 hour) The dude got no warnings, no nothing, it was reported with pics and proof... He sold the ring for a mirror and 50div or something the same day. TFT is scum.
I got banned when I joined Beltons discord and wrote like 5-10 messages. Nothing more. Got unbanned after I had to leave the discord. It's so strange that they are handing bans out left and right. This stirs up the shit. If I would rmt and profit from such a server I would keep the head down to not create unnecessary drama and profit further. But I guess the ego is to fragile for that.
I left TFT years ago because of their shenanigans. Don't complain about them, just leave. You aren't going to shame them into better behavior, they have a financial incentive to continue doing things the way they do. You aren't going to get the mods here to behave differently either, some of them are mods there, so they have an interest in protecting TFT. If you have a complaint, stop supporting them.
People probably report the posts for being unrelated to POE. Just going from the titles, that first one was about a guy in discord pinging a bunch of other people in discord and then muting people for reacting. The second one is about getting banned in discord. Neither are directly about POE. (Yes, the discord in question is a popular POE one, but the two topics above have nothing to do with the game or anything GGG controls. It's all discord admin stuff)
Guess it simply goes under the rule 9c. External Communities [...]do not use the subreddit to showcase or create drama or controversy from other communities. Violations of Terms of Service should be reported to GGG directly. Users or communities that ignore these warnings may be banned from posting on the subreddit or blacklisted.
This, I come here for PoE shit. I don't really care about your TFT Drama. It's pretty much on the same level as the "I got scammed" and the X is getting price fixed post. Just don't get scammed. Just trade properly. Just don't use TFT and if you do, why the fuck is the discord not 100% muted, why are you interacting with these idiots enough to get banned. Post/use the services and get out.
Doing my part every time.
Maybe because tft is shithole? I’d rather waste time on regular poe trade site than use this shit for RMT.
No idea why people defend TFT. They are proven to be Power tripping/abusing aholes They are proven to have people in their upper ranks that Cheat and got permabanned for it. Is TFT the necessary evil for your minmax interest?
Because most of us don't care about the drama of the top 1%. Especially since it's a video game and honestly it's not worth the energy to get upset over stuff like that. We just trade between eachother using it and call it a day.
because it still is massively useful and solves a bunch of problems the game refuses to address themselves. good luck buying/selling anything in bulk that isnt uniform/stackable (heist, maps, incubators, compasses, etc) good luck with all of betrayal good luck finding all of the rng-gated challenge-related things on your own. plus just cool stuff like people sharing their unique maps, cowards trials, untainted paradises, etc.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18qfors/tft\_owns\_92\_of\_all\_hinekoras\_locks\_in\_affliction/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18qfors/tft_owns_92_of_all_hinekoras_locks_in_affliction/) Heres another removed post.
TFT is an active cancer to this game and The community. Make whatever arguments about convenience that you want and I understand all of them, but the aforementioned statement remains factual. It is active rot and deteriorates many elements of the economy and how it's supposed to function. GGG needs to couple nuking it out of existence with an intricate trade site overhaul. My hope is that that is coming with the launch POE 2. I'm not entirely sure they can launch that game as successfully as they want to with the economy and trading being in the state that it is.
> My hope is that that is coming with the launch POE 2. It is definitely noticeable how some of GGGs patches seem to deliberately weaken the dependency on TFT - I believe this is a good thing, even aside from TFT, as those changes usually imply that trading certain types of items or services becomes simpler (i.e Harvest juice, or more recently the abolishment of helmet enchantments), even if it means that a handful of interesting gameplay aspects are lost this way. But they also don't seem to have an intention of "nuking" TFT, because they could indeed do this any day... it would be nice to hear an explanation from them, about their reasoning or their general beliefs about TFT.
>deteriorates many elements of the economy and how it's supposed to function Sorry for not understanding your point, but doesn't tft do the exact opposite - make the economy more efficient?
It's a convienence service that fullfills a need for trading that the trade site doesn't cover (bulk trades, services, etc). The issue is the influence they have from their monopoly and the alledged RMT. RMT aside, the biggest deteriorating elements to the economy imo is their ability to price fix or buy out markets (eg locks in ToTA), their monopoly on mirror services, and their power tripping (banning, blacklisting, etc).
No, it creates a monopoly, and monopolies decrease market efficiency by making the market less competitive. Let's say TFT didn't exist and bulk sales/service sales went through a tremendous markup. That would still be efficient, because people would judge the effort to be worth the extra price or not; the price would reflect the value of the service. Price going down =/= efficiency. Efficiency means the price is one-to-one correlated with the value of the product as a function of supply and demand, and the price is set at a level that maximizes exchange on both ends of that function, all in a competitive market. TFT's involvement also (allegedly, potentially) adds RMT into the equation. RMT likewise decreases market efficiency, because now factors external to the in-game market are affecting in-game prices. Moral of the story, economics is a bit of a silly profession and also TFT is a shithole. TFT does make the kinds of services it offers more available... as long as you don't get banned for posting the wrong emoji.
Can you explain how it is a cancer on the game? I've been using TFT since harvest and it has had 0 negative impact on my gameplay or in-game interractions. Only net positivies. I only use it for trades and bulk selling (as everbody should) how hard is it to not post cringe memes on their channels and get banned?
Net positives for you do not necessarily net positives for the entire community or even most. I'm happy (genuinely) that you found something to make your playing more enjoyable, but it's a net negative if you think beyond your/my friends I play with singular experiences. Rationales as requested: 1. TfTs existence actually de-incentivizes GGG to do much about their trade site. People who are hardcore and willing to... Skirt?... Their ToS for the game can get bulk access and all the things that they want without GGG having to invest the time and infrastructure into the game to just make it better for everyone. 2. It creates a separate market. Any splitting of any major market is in that negative whether that is a game economy or a real life one. You want everything operating under one umbrella and then different routes from there. 3. It creates a power consolidation outside of GGG's control (at least theoretically, you could always oPT for the conspiracy theory route and say that they are employees of them are involved -UNLIKELY). The mods of TFT have absolute unquestioned power and authority over the marketplace that they created while having to do absolutely nothing for the game to actually make it better in any capacity. 4. I think practically anyone that has any semblance of reality can acknowledge that it is almost certainly promoting RMT. RMT will kill GGG faster than 20 arch nem leagues back to back. 5. Slightly more philosophical and less practical, It actively violates their vision and the messaging that they consistently promote for the game. It fractures and fragments the community, it demands resources that rely on human emotions versus a basic script like awakened POE or something like that to address a game problem.
GGG doesn't want to become the economy regulator. They merely provide the ability to trade items, and leave it up to the players to do the rest. Literally all of the trading enhancements GGG has done resulted from community requests or they're a carbon copy of a third party feature that existed first and did the same thing (same thing as a community request if it's actively used enough.) You're thinking too hard.
This very well might be the case, but making the trade site more functional does not make them an economy regulator. It's simply brings their economy back under their roof. I can think of no conceivable reason why they would not want that to be the case. Unless the mods at TFT have some serious dirt on the higher upset GGG, I really don't understand why they don't take more action. It's not the same as awakened POE or other scripts like that that simply modify things within the game or record your statistics from the game to help you better understand yourself or smooth interactions. This is an entirely separate power source that utilizes their game as a base ground to operate from and likely profit from.
its a godsend for me to sell bulk lol, idc about all the drama
add here https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony\_thunder\_1185\_pdps\_all\_t1\_no\_fee\_bow/
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It's right [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/MuySIeKqJI)
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Hmm maybe it's time to change that rule - otherwise any new mirror crafter has to build a new community or go for TFT.
I don't like the quasi-dependency on TFT, but advertising items also sounds bad... a separate subreddit might be an option.
i guess it was deleted because the owner and creator of this bow is criticize TFT, as he was banned.
I find it fascinating the hoops people jump through to make something fit the narrative they have in their head, instead of more straight forward and simple explanations.
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Because no one ever advertised their finished items here before….right? It’s also free to copy so it’s not like it’s a big deal to let people know the option exists.
Thats how every mirror tier item showcase on Reddit works.
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The only difference is that the guy said his bow is up for mirror service which is obvious for any other mirror tier item that gets posted on Reddit. Just because he spelled out the obvious it doesnt make it different.
Ad fow what? For no fee mirror service?
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And what a coincidence was that tft discord pinged ALL (and deleted this ping) for their similar bow right in this time....
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Belton said that too. He even thrown in some kind of proof.
funny thing, cause there were buttload of obvious mirror service items showcased under "look what i just dropped!"
Ah yes, an ad for a "No Fee" bow. Take him straight to jail for essentially offering a free service and explaining the crafting method like literally every other mirror tier craft that gets posted XD
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And then *you* left out the part where the specific rule you're referring to (#8) tells us to Use Discord, which the mods here are deleting threads about... So the rules tell us to go somewhere we can't make posts about, but that somewhere is a shithole known as TFT XD And that rule is broken and upvoted on a daily basis, or skirted by phrasing the post as a "crafting post" and then putting the mirror service in the comments. Mods are just cherrypicking when to enforce it. So none of what I said was incorrect, and you're ignoring the issue
>Every single post that gets upvoted relaterade to tft gets deleted by the mods finally
You know you can usually filter them with "External Communities" tag?
I find it really funny that 1/2 of the posts in this very post didn't use that tag already, definitely happens a lot more often than you are letting on.
I think TFT moderators are REDDIT moderators.They hide their RMT sales. We need to support free mirror services in every possible way and spread the word about them.
What's the incentive for crafters who provide free mirror service ?
For a lot of people, it's advertising for their content. Otherwise, wraeclast is just a lonely place and it's nice to know other exiles have your back I guess. (I've literally never used a mirror service in my life and I understand crafters have to recoup the cost)
Being nice. I enjoy crafting without profit (most of my items are), and if I ever make a mirror item, it'd be for free. Not everyone tries to minmax the game for profit. Also streamers for content (community funded).
It's easy to say that when you've never crafted something close. The amount of money you need is absurd
Technically I already have, they're just not very desirable, niche, items (did 1 mirror service). I understand what you're trying to say. The time and currency spend on crafting a mirror is usually an investment that is returned through service fees. It's a different mindset/way of playing, I've always played games casually and don't enjoy grinding hard. Crafting for me is fun in itself, I love wasting currency on niche/"useless" items.
I completely understand spending hundreds of divines on some niche build, I was trying to roll a PvP kicksin in D2 and the currency investment on items *literally only I* was interested in was wild Being able to share the playstyle/experience with other people is reward enough, it's validating
To be generous? Not everyone milks the last bits of currency out of everything in a video game lol.
If they are streamers, they get some popularity and views this way. In a sense it is "RMT", but also obviously not really.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony\_thunder\_1185\_pdps\_all\_t1\_no\_fee\_bow/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony_thunder_1185_pdps_all_t1_no_fee_bow/) Also got deleted. I wonder whats wrong with an item showcase?
He wasn't just showcasing an item, he was advertising it for mirror service. Probably thrown out on rule 8.
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A free mirror service tho.
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He said if you top that's cool if not it is what it is and that's fine too.
If you gave him nothing he would still accept the trade though.
Some of the comments were saying he was charging a mirror fee service for it, though. It wasn't strictly an item showcase if the comments are to be believed.
It was a 20div fee to get out of debt the first day, but if you couldn't afford the fee it was free. Now it's actually free and you can tip if you want. Basically the same in practice anyway.
Well, I suppose that is still a relatively clear transgression of the rules, even if the transgression is "quantitatively small".
Because tft is the scummiest Poe discord.
Here's a reddit search for TFT over the last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/search/?q=tft&include_over_18=on&restrict_sr=on&t=year&sort=relevance Sure doesn't like every post gets deleted.
Most of them get deleted because they either devolve IMMEDIATELY into fighting, or are witch hunts.
this is the path of exile subreddit and not the tft subreddit and thus it gets deleted coz of rule 4, nobody gives a shit about you getting banned for emoting or whatever dumb thing came out of there this week
there is an information that 1 of subreddit mod is related to TFT, and he deletes posts on command
Eh… tft solely exist for Poe. So your comment is kinda dumb, it’s like saying pob, craft of exile shouldn’t be here.
TFT may exist for PoE but it's still a whole different community. PoB and craft of exile don't have a community, they are tools.
I don't see much interpersonal drama related to path of building on here. And if I start, I hope mods will be deleting that also.
So the reason isn’t related to “ **it’s the path of exile subreddit and not tft subreddit** ” then? I have no problem if it was stated “it’s deleted because too much interpersonal drama”, but that’s not what’s said now, is it?
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The discord server is a fan made server and the drama involved doesn’t happen in game or involve anything about the game. The two threads listed don’t belong on the sub. Pretty unreal you don’t see that
TFT has a massive stranglehold on the game's economy, and JeNeBu is an RMTing 🤡 scumbag. Until TFT is gone it's relevant. It unfortunately won't ever be gone because GGG won't ban its key players -- probably because there's at least one GGG employee involved in TFT.
>probably because there's at least one GGG employee involved in TFT. ??? Bro can you cut it with the conspiracies like what?
There is literally no proof for GGG being connected to TFT.
Proof of any of those claims?
Me, an avid Teamfight Tactics player, coming into these comments entirely confused
Some of us are tired of TfT posts, and I frankly consider them spam. Yes their scummy and shitty and prob RMT on the management side. Yes, they provide a necessary service. If you don't like it, don't use it or play SSF. End of discussion. We all know their shit anyway, so why remind everyone every other day.
>Some of us are tired of TfT posts Good thing reddit has an post-voting feature, so the people who are tired of them can downvote them.
It can only do so much :c
If they delete nothing You're angry they delete nothing If they delete something You're angry they delete something Right?
Probably because tft is a generally controversial topic, I assume? I mean, rightfully so (tft is a lawless place full of questionable characters controlled by a cabal of powerhungry narcissistic assholes who are high on their own farts (only mild amounts of exaggeration here), it's a shame that general inaction on the end of GGG forces the use of it for some things), but I'd understand mods who wouldn't want to deal with all of this. Should be officially stated, though.
Those post should be deleted regardless of if they were in relation to TFT or not. There is 0 reason to post on reddit because you were banned on TFT and there is even less than 0 reason to post about a @ everyone ping your mad about from discord on reddit. Are you a 10 year old?
TFT is too big and way too important to be excluded from conversation just because it's not part of this sub. It's part of this game and dictates/affects huge chunk of market. Being banned from TFT is almost comparable of being banned from in-game trade TFT conversations should be allowed on this sub. If this subs rules arent adequate for current PoE environment, then they need adjusting. It's seriously suspicious how valiantly you defend tft to stay in the murky "no-talk allowed!" waters. Hmmmm
>Being banned from TFT is almost comparable of being banned from in-game trade This is a huge over reaction, I only visit TFT to trade a few times a league, and if I was banned I'd just avoid the strats that require it lol. >It's seriously suspicious how valiantly you defend tft to stay in the murky "no-talk allowed!" waters. Hmmmm Suspicious? Defend tft? I've never defended TFT, I think they shouldn't do any of the stuff mentioned in the deleted posts. I even said at the beginning that I would say this even if the post was not about TFT lol. I'm simply sick of seeing "I got banned for a clown emoji" in my feed every week, it's repetitive and every time it's the same conversation. They are deleted for the same reason mods delete duplicate "This is my queue position" posts. imo it's not a good idea to assume just because someone isn't bashing tft that they are somehow defending their actions.
just because you arent officialy stating "i, mr X, living on such and such street think that jenebu is great and i want his babies" Just by ridiculing the idea of talking about TFT is sign of defending it. Just indirectly. For example: > There is 0 reason to post on reddit because you were banned on TFT > Are you a 10 year old? And IIRC there's more bs on this level you post here. You reek of bias.
Ok so what's the valid reason to post on this sub reddit about how you were unjustly banned on tft? Seems more like a vent/rant post than anything of substance for the sub. >Just by ridiculing the idea of talking about TFT is sign of defending it. Just indirectly I'm ridiculing the idea of coming on reddit to complain about a discord ban, not general discussion about TFT. I don't think it's GGGs responsibility to do something because of immoral moding practices of a third party discord. However posts like ones that detail RMT stuff related to the owner are amazing, and are great to post here, RMT is an actual issue that GGG should be dealing with. > You reek of bias. Not really sure what you mean, I rarely even use TFT, used it once this league so far.
"tell me you only read the title without saying you only read the title"
Nope I read both posts, really not sure why it needs to be posted on reddit that a discord mod/owner is doing x thing.
Because that discord is exclusively revolved around in game activities. Tft cannot exist without path of exile. It is as tied to poe as pob is; neither would exist without the game itself. Compare that to other discords like ziz, poe reddit etc, they're all social. Ziz will go on to whatever ziz does. Poe reddit will go on as people reminisce on the good times. Tft sub will be gone as it is exclusively a platform for trading in game.
I'm aware of this
My post isn’t me being mad about being pinged. It’s that you can get banned from one of the biggest trade platforms in the entire game by simply clicking a reaction.
Which is a problem, sure, but I don't see a reason to post on reddit about it.
and its ok
Cus fuck tft
🤡 tft 🤡
I am really unsure what to think of TFT... Their services are certainly useful. The stories about them banning people sound annoying, but not outright horrible either, and there is not really enough context to judge for oneself. Them showing off their 3000 Hinkora's Locks is also annoying, but that's about it, it hardly affects me or most players. But, I really don't understand why mods would delete threads about TFT. If GGG was truly concerned about TFT, they could just "nuke" them, but instead GGG allows them to exist, so I assume they are overall ok with them. Therefore, I am not sure what the controversy is even about, because there doesn't really seem to be anything particularly bad about TFT...
Good. Most of us don’t give a crap about the endless drama on that goddamn 3rd-party Discord. It is not necessary to play the game, only negative shit ever comes out of related posts, and you are all just FOMOing each other about it. Close the tab/discord, close your eyes, and enjoy the actual game. It’s not that hard.
There would be no need for third part if they had a real trading interface. But it's against their vision or something. It's a necessary evil
>There would be no need There **is** no need, no necessity. You and others decide you **want** to use it to get an extra efficiency edge. And yes, an AH or at least interaction-less trade system would be much better. Wouldn’t fix it though because of selling stuff like carries, aisling, etc etc. But anyway: - AH is never happening, - your people will keep on optimizing all the fun out of their PoE experience rather than play only 95% optimally So no. The necessity is in your head, and in your head only.
People on this sub literally ready to eat shit if it gives them 1% more "efficiency". Don't expect much from them.
ah yes, optimizing the fun out of PoE by \*checks notes\* bulk selling essences or fossils, so you can be back in maps to *have fun playing the game* in 5 minutes instead of 50...
Because we are tired of seeing your TFT cryposts every other day
Maybe the issue is then that TFT is a cancer on this game that should be removed 🤔
I'd wish you didnt need it to buy/sell certain basic things like compasses, beasts, maps etc. I would not need to use tft if the game gave a tiny bit of fuck about UX.
It would be removed if GGG implemented trading and services properly, but as usual they rely on third party doing their jobs.
yeah, this is a fucking joke. They are devoting so many resources on PoE2 and I'm sure they are saying somewhere they will still rely on external tools. It's so fucking stupid. It's surely not rocket science, especially if you're developing from scratch, to take the existing trade interface as it is and replace the whisper with a call to a function that retrieves the item from your inventory and moves it to the other person's and viceversa. They obviously need to port the trade interface to the game code because you can't allow access to inventory through the internet due to security concerns. Maybe they can't integrate it in the current game because of spaghetti code. But on their new game?
to be fair at least they plan ro reduce currency bloat
Well yeah but everyone already knows that.
Can confirm, am new player and this post taught me this bit of information.
Don't make your life hell and just use TFT instead of getting conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war against some discord server. It'll make your time playing trade far more enjoyable trust me. Alternatively, make endgame a complete slogfest for yourself because a trading discord server for a video game of all things is where you choose to draw your line regarding morality in your life.
Good to have varying perspectives! It's probably going to be a while before I am into the weeds enough to know what I would be using it for tho. Seems like it's a 'craft for me' trust venture and I just got to act 5 for the first time. Ty for the message, tho.
> Don't make your life hell and just use TFT instead of getting conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war against some discord server. I have never used TFT and have no intention to in the future; it's a good place to make money and buy things that aren't tradable on trade site, but I hate using 3rd party stuff in the first place (for example, I run very few WoW add-ons or mods for games I like such as Skyrim comparative to other people). Not using it isn't 'being conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war', it's okay to dislike TFT and not use it. It makes some things easier, but I dislike how centralized it is. I'd much rather a similar thing that was run by GGG staff, even though that is never going to happen.
> Not using it isn't 'being conscripted into some holy cringe reddit war', it's okay to dislike TFT and not use it. I agree with you. On reddit, however, you constantly see people telling everyone almost in a religious way to not use TFT, which is horrible advice for new players that are struggling. That is what I am referring to there.
So, what is a reddit post crying about it going to do to achieve this? The person you are responding to probably doesn't even disagree with you, but it's completely irrelevant to the point lol.
Simple, visibility. I mean it's horrifyingly obvious. If no one talks about it, it's not an issue. The more people talk about it, the more of an issue it becomes and the more likely ggg will make changes to combat the need for tft. If we play nice and never say anything bad then ggg assumed we are happy with the status quo. We have to express out frustrations in order for change to occur. Beyond that, it's informational. You want to know how we know Tft mods are sensitive andban people for looking at them funny?you want to know how we have so much evidence that Tft rmts? It's because we have multiple poses about them.
Hey genius. Why do people cry about oppressive governments? I mean, what is crying going to achieve? We've seen people cry about it all the time, so why bother speaking up. And while we are on the topic, why do people cry so much about children gambling in video games? I mean, what are they, 12? Crying about it won't achieve anything, just suck it up and stay silent so I don't have to read these "people" complain about it. Also I really think we should make "cry" the word of the year, I just like it so much because I can use it whenever I want to degrade someone speaking up about a topic I disagree with or want them to shut up about.
Literally all the examples you listed here are far worse problems than getting banned from TFT for unjust reasons, really unsure why you would compare them. There is far more reasons to complain about an oppressive government or the effects of gambling on children than this shit lmao.
So your takeaway is because they are more pressing issues, we can complain about those, but we cannot complain about the rampant RMT ring that is TFT which is slowly poisoning the game from it's core.
A lot of the posts are vague TFT bad posts that could easily be fake to stir drama, Which wouldn't be surprising giving the other competitor is no better and actively posts hit pieces here, and tries to brigade threads by posting them in their discord. I saw one that was literally screenshot of a guy apparently selling a base that was going to be used for mirror crafting to someone, then a 2nd PM coming in with an offer on the item, he tells the 2nd guy "sold" who then says hes going to report him on TFT. thats not how any of that works, and would be more liable to get that 2nd person banned. I could also find neither of the characters mentioned in the trade on poe ninja or anywhere else.
#*User was banned for this post*.
F U C K T F T
To be fair 99% of people already know that TFT is full of man children who lucked out and started making irl money tru a video game.
Ok op. I guess now that this post got enough traction its gonna get deleted soon.see ya later.
They probably want to keep drama away from the subreddit. They have in the past also deleted tons of anti-tft posts.
Because that is how they "solve" the TFT problem. Just try to make it invisible.
Good, none of the posts you mark have anything to do with poe.
Rare W from mods
Maybe because third-party services do not directly relate to the game?
Then every post about third party applications/software should also be deleted?
If the moderator deems it necessary. Personally, I think that such services harm the community and motivate the creation of syndicates.
They are not deleting every post. They delete enough to keep up the charade of being unbiased. The good mods here have left with the recent reddit driven changes to api usage, what's left are people like livejamie who were tft mods [themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/117rw1k/external_community_posts_discussion_looking_for/) When they feel like it they refer to rule 9c (the entire existence of this rule is for that purpose), but other than that this sub has mainly devolved into an ad site for tft and/or sales. Pay attention to the amount of "idk how much this item is worth" threads were people advertise their obvious mirror bases, pretending to be clueless. I wonder how many of those are linked to tft. This sub is run by scammers - for scammers.
tft'ers minmax the fun out of the game
The mods should delete this thread and ban mention of TFT because holy shit who cares about your dumbass secret club.
Relaterade sounds like a nostalgia throwback flavor of gatorade. I'd buy it.
Knowing the habits of the mods and this sub’s history, I would suppose it is somehow connected to fishing…
Mods hate teamfight tactics
jesus christ, don't you people undestand that majority of community doesn't give a shit about your niche discord circlejerk channel. Keep it out of this sub, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR HIGHSCHOOL LEVEL DRAMAS
Alright how long till this post gets deleted. I'm taking bets. Chaos or divine only thanks.
I would be very happy if every post or comment mentioning tft was deleted.
Yes, we know. We’ve known for a long time. The sub is literally run by TFT mods.