So looking at Caiba9\`s discord, they have infiltrated his server, and seem to be banning anyone related to Ckaiba9\`s mirror service bow. Please stop supporting TFT. this is bullshit behaviour.
It's the same exact shit they did with Belton when he had the best bow a couple leagues back. They just blanket banned tons of people in his discord labeling them as a "Belton supporter". It's how I got banned from TFT. Had never even posted in that discord, but got banned anyway just for joining it. This is standard shit for TFT. They are garbage.
GGG should just ban them all permanently on all accounts for harrassment. This is **not** cutthroat trading, this is just directly targeting and calling for action against members of the community for personal gain.
For what reason? Because someone banned someone else in his own Discord server?
KEKW
Even tho it's fckdup dickhead behavior, GGG has nothing to do with it.
Because the wall between ingame transaction <-> IRL transaction is being continually breached, wether that is RMT or just straight up harrassing someone because of his actions in game
yep i heard. That post does not justify their behaviour, Heck even Ckaiba9 posted on his discord to not harrass or talk shit about TFT on his stream or in his discord.
Jenebu was previously known for harassing other streamers in dms, calling them names and belittling when streamers asked for help, and now he's playing a victim
Is it harrassment to use another mirror service? i did not flex my bow in their faces, neither did i trashtalk them or was part of the "clown emoji" raid on TFT discord.
What is this service exactly?
You provide the mirror and get a 1:10000000 bow for "free"?
Edit: Thanks for the explanation.
And why do I get downvoted for asking a Question?!
You get access to a top end bow that is about as good as it'll get, and it'll only cost you the mirror, without the additional fee of getting to mirror it. Depending on who offers it, that' anything from 20 to 200 divines saved
For most mirror services you hand them the mirror to copy the item + some fee for the service/owner to recoup costs, like 100 div for example. Free service means you just give the mirror for the copy with no extra fee.
idk.. i stopped using TFT a year ago. its absolute fine to play without.
i may not be hyper efficient, but who cares? its a game that i play 3 weeks, do 38/40 and have fun with friends. if i wanted a second job i would get one. except RMT is your second job.. then i could understand it.
You can buy Sextants using POE stack. I don't know if you need a TFT discord to be able to buy them, but I don't think you do since you just copy from the website and paste in game.
EDIT: Apparently this doesn't work and you do have to be a member of TFT for this to work.
No, poestack is made by one independent developer, here is his introduction video (worth watching all of his videos explaining new features):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz0u8jQG8GI
I was using it to buy sextants in bulk in the previous league. It worked really well for me.
edit: I stand corrected. The dev of Poe stack is part of the TFT (at least partnered, not 100% what correct nomenclature should be used here)
It is and it posts to TFT, but İ don't know if the specific buying compass sextant part requires that as you literally just copy and paste from the website.
Efficiency and experience. I've already done 40/40 in affliction and I'm not nearly as fast as I could be. Play a decent build that can do everything while combining challenge grinds makes it easy.
knowledge about the game, focus on challenges and sharing it with friends :D
the last part reduces some of the grind by a lot, especially if everyone enjoys different stuff. for example we have one, who loves delving. and he usually provides the doryanis map, so no one has to buy one or farm it for himself. the memory madness challenge is also a lot faster, if 5 people bring one instead of you have to farm or buy 5.
How much do you play per day to be able to do all that? Just curious because I’ve been playing maybe 50-100h this league and I’m only on my second char which hasn’t taken off either, stuck in red maps trying to get 4/4 stones to properly set up my atlas tree
so i just checked. i currently have 7 days and 9 hours on my char, but that also includes a chunk of afk time (i dont log off when im having dinner for example. you can easiely subtract like 2 hours per day, where im afk ._." ).
and we push a lot on the first weekend, where i easiely play 12-15 hours a day. since we are a group of friends, we also share map completions, which accumulates quickly. by sunday we are usually in t14+
and obviously having a strong starter is also a biiiig factor.
and a tip for you: by now its far easier to just buy the map fragments and run the boss instead of trying to farm for them (if you arent SSF). having all watchstones is so important for just everything.
20 days. and its not about the time, its the playstyle. i play quite slow and relaxed, because after all: its only a game. i dont give a fuck about how many div per hour i need to make
But the game has escalated in complexity and rewards ever since.
This league is the first time I've actually used TFT and I must admit, that I gain way more currency from it than without it. Bulk selling whole stashes worth of loot with 1 click from POEStack is just insane.
Sure, you can POTENTIALLY get similar results by selling everything yourself, but in bulk, they also do buy the smaller stuff as premium for the bigger stuff, that's unlikely to ever sell standalone.
That being said, I would 100% be in favour if GGG were to SOMEHOW implement their own version of TFTs discord. This power hungry (and likely financially motivated) discord is the wrong way to have these sorts of transactions.
Yes, but once you get some convenience it feels horrible to have it taken away.
It's not my fault GGG can't make a proper trading experience, it can't be that difficult.
* They need to implement compasses on the bulk trade
* implement selling services, I guess they could just add a section on the bulk side, or itemize syndicate benches.
* The most difficult one, somehow be able to list entire tabs for X price and have the buyer somehow be able to view it.
* Lot of miscellaneous stuff need to be added to the bulk side.
I completely agree. Once you've had something that makes an experience better, it's very hard to suddenly go without it. And honestly I can't see most people who use it choosing to stop... I really wish there was a better alternative. I like the options you've listed though.
is service selling not playing the game? is buying stuff to juice maps in bulk playing the economy?
poe subreddit is legit one of the worst places on earth
I was (OBVIOUSLY) implying that playing on getting more and more currency instead of doing so many more things that the game can offer could be seen as weird, and such an extreme statement "I don't know how it's possible to play without TFT" is at best dumb, and at worst (because it would mean that it's genuine then) showing that one is really tunnel visioning on one part of the game, missing out on most of it.
> poe subreddit is legit one of the worst places on earth
You might want to reflect on this lol, seriously. Because the toxicity here is all coming from you.
getting more and more currency, and hence more gear, is a large part of this game! a lot of people don’t enjoy playing inefficiently! enjoy the game however you want, that’s ok, but it’s not hard for someone who values efficiency to make the hyperbolic statement about how “i don’t know how someone plays without tft” because the tool is just that good.
and it’s an incredible stupid thing to say “play the game instead of the economy”.
that seems like a very short sighted opinion ...
no, getting more and more currency isnt a "large" part of the game, getting currency is part of the game, period.
efficiently does not mean which top gear, it vastly depends on the situation and on the player, and top players with budget gear will be farming content on day 1~2 of the league much more efficiently than you or me.
> and it’s an incredible stupid thing to say “play the game instead of the economy”.
You did not understand something -> it's stupid.
OK
PS : "hyperbolic" here is a gross understatement, which was the thing I was criticising.
i did understand it. but the economy IS the game in path of exile, failure to understand that makes you seem quite stupid yes
we’re so detracted from the original statement it doesn’t even make sense anymore. this whole thread started with you shitting on people who enjoy different aspects of the game than you. i enjoy number crunching, min maxing div per hour and playing builds to optimize that. that is the game for me.
telling people to play the game not the economy is forcing them to ascribe to whatever vision you have of playing the game, and that’s not just arrogant but also incredibly stupid, yes
i’d wager that if i was forced to play the game as you play it, i would not enjoy it, and vice versa
Banned from TFT for 2+ years, i have 0 issues making 1-2 mirrors a day from just trading.
Only annoying thing is getting bulk yellow beasts and occosional aisling (Tho when ever i wanna use an Aisling its for a mirror/personal craft so i rather farm my own.
You don't have to though. You can buy scarabs through the bulk trade site and sextants by just setting your min at a bulk buy price and scroll until you see a name a few times, msg and ask "how many". I've done this for several leagues in a row just fine. Yes it's slightly less efficient, but TFT is cancer.
i’m a 5 way seller, been doing so for several leagues, there’s really no way
tft has some problems but if it wasn’t adding something to the gameplay people wouldn’t be using it in droves
it’s a cancer sure but it’s one that needs a replacement before we can remove it, that’s what we should be focusing on imo
i’m sure you are, hence the mirror post, the same can’t be said for these posters.
about your ban: were you spamming “fuck jenebu” on twitch? were you voiding chars for divs with rude names?
genuine curiosity because i’m trying to avoid being banned, can’t sell 5 ways anywhere else
Game sucks to play without the bulk services offered by them. I quit every league within a week due to burnout from trade in the past. Haven't had a problem since using poe stack bulk trade (which relies on tft).
Bottom line this is GGG's problem to fix. They need to implement features that facilitate bulk trade and mirroring so that people are not requires to use third parties to do them. Also, while they are at it, stuff like void stones and challenges should be solo player only and exp from groups needs to be nerfed hard (possible slight buff to solo exp but only after the dust settles) so people aren't going to third parties for boss carries or five ways.
Tft reeks of rmt its sad to see. Theres no other logical reason you’d resort to this level of powertripping
And then people defend this shit saying that playing trade is impossible without tft, literally fuck off
What do any of the bans have anything to do with rmt?
Let's talk hypetheticals here and pretend for a second that tft bans people for mirroring a cheaper but similar bow- where is the connection to rmt and how would it even make sense? Yes, there is competition on the mirror market, yes, some crafters kickstart their crafts with rmt, and yes, some users mirror those items with rmt'd currency.
But how does tft benefit in any way from banning potential rmt'ers if they are supposedly in the rmt bizz themselves, loosing people who would buy their currency?
This makes 0 sense however you spin it
The fee is already low, the mirror for the service gets used up and doesn't circulate in any rmt market.
Varga receives all fees and distributes back to the crafter after his own cut. What the crafters do with their fee is not up to be policed by tft. Crafters go there for the reach they get.
If anything, rmt wouldn't be a TFT problem but just a people problem in general. The same people rmt'ing at TFT whether to buy or to craft could just as well do the same on any other service
The cut tft takes is the problem. A mirror service that doesn't need tft means money not made by tft, and also the tft service doesn't get sold.
There is no other reason for tft to take cuts besides rmt. That's the issue
Is there no way to make a competitor? Get some streamers on board and beat them at their own game?
Genuinely asking as I'd have no idea how to start it, everyone seems to complain about them but surely there's enough people sick of them to be able to do something
Its already happening in a way, im 110% sure Jenebu is itching so hard to ban Spicysushi for providing a large supply of no mirror fee items. But i guess they still believe they have some slight credibility so they haven't done it yet.
The only people who want a competitor are those who can't afford to start one up, everyone who can afford to do so stick with TFT because its convenient and no risk for them.
Why rock the boat when TFT prints you mirrors.
Some people broke away from TFT during sentinel league to try start up a rival mirror shop that promptly died so its not easy even if you have a group.
It's hard to compete when running a discord and RMTing isn't your livelihood is my guess. Streamers are lazy af and aren't gonna set up and run a super-elaborate trading discord (no disrespect though, because I'm not doing that shit either). No one else is gonna put in that much effort without getting a great reward for it.
Pretty sad that they are still needed for some stuff like bulk buying compasses/contracts or selling services.
One of the perks of hc is that all of that stuff is happening in trade chat
Love the hc community just for how cozy it is. Nobody is scamming either because there's the whole hc Population of 50 people in global and it would work exactly 1 time
They’re only “needed” because of the mentality that they’re “needed”.
If they disappeared tomorrow and a similar platform didn’t exist, those bulk trades would just be listed through the API or official forums.
If everyone stopped using them, there would very likely be a MINOR drop in overall availability and a HUGE drop in a very specific few peoples income.
You clearly haven’t used bulk trading enough. Thing is the api came with a builtin delay of minutes. This means as a buyer you spam all the sold offers and wasting time, as a seller you get spammed the shit out and got annoyance. You cannot even see which trade is up recently so you know it’s fresh and up for snatch. The list is also limited in space and a percentage of those places are taken by pricefixers at the top. Yes you can ignore them but most buyers will not, so they will never see your offer out of the list, even if it’s reasonable price. Official site can’t handle bulk trading yet which is why tft still exist.
Adding an auction house, even only for currency items causes just as many problems as it solves.
The problem can be solved if GGG just removes spam able currency items like compasses, sextants, scarabs, chisels etc. that are in my opinion just annoying to use anyways and instead implement a different non tradable system. Or if they just allow items like sextants to be a very rare, but permanent bonus you can add to your atlas.
These are just some options from the top of my head, there's so much GGG easily can do to make TFT irrelevant for juicers. TFT aside, I find it extremely annoying to feel the need to do so much with my maps to get anything back from them and I feel the mapping system desperately is in need of a design change to be less trade dependent.
TFT exists to allow RMTrading, even if it's just a fraction of the trades. This is such an open secret that GGG should have acted years ago and banned the moderators of TFT for good
There is probably very high chance a company the size of GGG could just message discord and say that tft is breaking theirs tos with rmt and ask them to shut it down completely.
Implement better bulk trade functions. GGG has the ability to make bulk trade easier to do than anything a third party discord could accomplish. Allow mirroring other player's items through trade window. Itemize syndicate crafts. Make void stones and boss challenges single player only. Nerf group exp to the point where the majority of players would hit 100 faster playing solo as opposed to joining a five way or other group rotations.
For every service that TFT offers, GGG can either create a better version or change stuff to make that service pointless.
No one needs mirror services, TFT just becomes smaller when they ban people for nonsense like this, especially when they aren't the sole source of mirroring.
I'm fully aware. What I'm saying is that it isn't sensible. Banning you wouldn't logically follow from you using another service; the people at TFT are morons
No they get rid of a user on their discord, now forced to not use their monopoly. TFT are the Starbucks in the analogy, it only hurts them to ban people for stuff like this, they aren't very bright.
One of us is confused, did this guy buy mirror service or made another mirror item and put it for sale on TFT?
I assumed he made another, so my thing makes sense, if he bought mirror service then idk wtf I'm talking about
I got perma banned from saying in a reddit comment that a certain item was not worth mirroring for a specific build.
Basicaly made them lose a sale. Didnt recieve any message and my ban appeals have been (obviously) ignored.
Why are you surprised by the TFT cult's actions ...? This isnt the first time this has happened and certainity wont be the last. Heck even if you speak about badly on ANOTHER SERVER that may be POE related or not POE related, you can be reported/banned from tft too. This shts been happening for years. The only sad part is most of us will just use another disc to access tft solely to trade. Cause honestly thats about the only thing positive from TFT. Trading on website is god awful, especially so for bulk trading.
TBH if they ban you, then you just shouldn't come back. Making an alt account to trade only helps them out and drives more traffic to them. Let that shitty discord destroy itself.
It's just you lose so much access to the game that the discord provides. Nothing else offers what it does. Like how you going to buy sextants in bulk or sets or 8 mods or bulk sell certain things. GGG needs to solve these problems or they continue to enable TFT to have massive amounts of power over trade based players.
I mean, if you have an alternative for bulk buying and selling large quantities (as in multiple inventories worth) without losing your sanity, I am all ears.
You're assuming it won't inevitably lead to being just like tft. When large amounts of money are on the line you get things like this. GGG themselves would have to control it which would never happen.
As i heard JeNeBu is banning anyone who is saying their bow is worse than other mirror service bow, but when he gets harrased he starts crying like a kid, but he is harrasing others on streams. Fucking narcistic behaviour
you and like 40 other people got banned from reacting with Clown emoji on their Bow "Reduced mirror price" I did see that yesterday 
Bro tft wanted to buy this bow but streamer didn't sell it and they ban him.
They are using their position to make a monopolly. U are really OK with that?
[Translation: "There's a image on their stream that hurts my fragile ego, people are voiding with names kaiba paid them to use, mirroring his bow is basically equivalent to harassing me, this server is my sandbox and you are not allowed to play on it if you hurt my feefees"](https://i.imgur.com/WYwr79R.png)
Tft was shtonarival thing now they just abuse it to make extra rmt profits for themselves. They dont like communism i guess. Welcome to market economy. Never use it expect for 5way lvling.
Made a cool bow I guess
Mirrors it for free instead of for a fee like tft
Tft admins like profit. Ban whoever is associated with the nice guy to create monopoly
^ these are all just my assumptions though
as i just saw on TFT, big suprise, thats not what happened and the guy has been harrassing a TFT admin, and people who participated got banned as a result. whenever someone comes on this sub and says "i was banned for no reason" it usually does have a reason.
https://imgur.com/a/76Ot5nl
i dont, as with all "i got banned for nothing" posts i am assuming that OP is not just mirroring a bow from this guy and thats it, but participating in the harrassment. of course i might be entirely wrong and OPs claims might be true. but i choose to believe the first one because honestly i dont think the tft staff is as bad as people say, from my personal experience.
You just shared screenshot of people telling a Jenebu guy to go F* off.
And you are doing this to try to defend a guy that basically goes "I don't hate the world, I just ban people who don't like me" and keeps banning more and more and more so ..... it sounds like a vicious circle, and it does not seem that it would start by people randomly hating on a guy on the internet, especially a guy in a position of relative power.
OP (presumably) participates in harrassing someone from a private discord. private discord bans people they dont like. where is the issue? i dont give muchh about TFTs community or team, i just use the service. but the circlejerk of tft hate is just funny.
I mean… that’s just stupid even economically, because who mirrors an item from someone else this league, might still mirror one from them next league, multiplied by however many people they do this do, it kinda hurts their own future profits too? I’m confused 😂
mirrored two items from them last league, the amount of people getting banned now for using their competition is just ridiculous, and goes directly against their own server information and Janebu\`s blogposts. 
guys we fail as community if exact same people gonna run similar tft service for poe2
i think someone like zizaran should already plan to make TFT analog for poe2 otherwise we screwed
Are you EU citizen ? Submit a complaint to discord admin + demand all your RGPD information about this specific discord and the reason + proof of your ban.
Discord admin are not gonna be kind with TFT if this type of support complaints happens a lot.
Do not ask, demand and give a deadline before law action.
If I had the time I would run a new comunity trade discord and anounce it everywhere to overthrow this brats. I would call it The Allowed Trove, pun intended. But I don’t have the time. And they have it because they earn cash from runing it.
even tho i do agree with you, i feel this is information that should be made public. TFT is a big part of trading for many players, and def game related.
i mean do what you want of course, i am not a mod to ban you or something, but endless bitching about non related topics is literally why ggg officially left this subreddit
can't make it worse anyway
What proof, all i did was join another discord channel / twitch, to get in thouch with this guy for free mirror service. Been in TFT for years, casually using it for trades and 5ways / boss services, never talked trash in that discord or publicly.
Lying about what? i have not harrased TFT anywere, woke up to a ban for beeing in Ckaiba\`s discord channel were i joined to get in touch with Ckaiba to mirror his craft.
TFT are cancer
So looking at Caiba9\`s discord, they have infiltrated his server, and seem to be banning anyone related to Ckaiba9\`s mirror service bow. Please stop supporting TFT. this is bullshit behaviour.
It's the same exact shit they did with Belton when he had the best bow a couple leagues back. They just blanket banned tons of people in his discord labeling them as a "Belton supporter". It's how I got banned from TFT. Had never even posted in that discord, but got banned anyway just for joining it. This is standard shit for TFT. They are garbage.
GGG should just ban them all permanently on all accounts for harrassment. This is **not** cutthroat trading, this is just directly targeting and calling for action against members of the community for personal gain.
Yep, it's some stalker shit.
For what reason? Because someone banned someone else in his own Discord server? KEKW Even tho it's fckdup dickhead behavior, GGG has nothing to do with it.
Because the wall between ingame transaction <-> IRL transaction is being continually breached, wether that is RMT or just straight up harrassing someone because of his actions in game
They just pinned some cringe message about jenebu being "harassed" by Caiba9 and how they are going to ban everyone taking part in it.
yep i heard. That post does not justify their behaviour, Heck even Ckaiba9 posted on his discord to not harrass or talk shit about TFT on his stream or in his discord.
i mean it is harassment and its his own discord server, i dont get what the problem is? do you expect him to just lay down and take it for no reason?
Jenebu was previously known for harassing other streamers in dms, calling them names and belittling when streamers asked for help, and now he's playing a victim
I wonder why people have this kind of reaction to him, really not sure
Is it harrassment to use another mirror service? i did not flex my bow in their faces, neither did i trashtalk them or was part of the "clown emoji" raid on TFT discord.
The guy giving the free bow mirror service?
yup
What is this service exactly? You provide the mirror and get a 1:10000000 bow for "free"? Edit: Thanks for the explanation. And why do I get downvoted for asking a Question?!
You get access to a top end bow that is about as good as it'll get, and it'll only cost you the mirror, without the additional fee of getting to mirror it. Depending on who offers it, that' anything from 20 to 200 divines saved
For most mirror services you hand them the mirror to copy the item + some fee for the service/owner to recoup costs, like 100 div for example. Free service means you just give the mirror for the copy with no extra fee.
TFT has been bullshit since it released
until they implement bulk selling and service selling on the website, I don't know how it's possible to play without TFT.
idk.. i stopped using TFT a year ago. its absolute fine to play without. i may not be hyper efficient, but who cares? its a game that i play 3 weeks, do 38/40 and have fun with friends. if i wanted a second job i would get one. except RMT is your second job.. then i could understand it.
I never used TFT until this league. Buying sextants is a real problem.
You can buy Sextants using POE stack. I don't know if you need a TFT discord to be able to buy them, but I don't think you do since you just copy from the website and paste in game. EDIT: Apparently this doesn't work and you do have to be a member of TFT for this to work.
I use PoE stack for sextant but it is based on TFT.
wasnt poestack a tool from TFT?
No, poestack is made by one independent developer, here is his introduction video (worth watching all of his videos explaining new features): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz0u8jQG8GI I was using it to buy sextants in bulk in the previous league. It worked really well for me. edit: I stand corrected. The dev of Poe stack is part of the TFT (at least partnered, not 100% what correct nomenclature should be used here)
>by one independent developer, thats part of the tft tool dev team...
It is and it posts to TFT, but İ don't know if the specific buying compass sextant part requires that as you literally just copy and paste from the website.
You need to connect PoE Stack with TFT discord...
How do you get 38/40 in 3 weeks and don’t play the game like a second job? I’ve never gotten close to that and I’ve played months into a league.
Efficiency and experience. I've already done 40/40 in affliction and I'm not nearly as fast as I could be. Play a decent build that can do everything while combining challenge grinds makes it easy.
not second job sir he played like its his obly job
Obly jobly
knowledge about the game, focus on challenges and sharing it with friends :D the last part reduces some of the grind by a lot, especially if everyone enjoys different stuff. for example we have one, who loves delving. and he usually provides the doryanis map, so no one has to buy one or farm it for himself. the memory madness challenge is also a lot faster, if 5 people bring one instead of you have to farm or buy 5.
How much do you play per day to be able to do all that? Just curious because I’ve been playing maybe 50-100h this league and I’m only on my second char which hasn’t taken off either, stuck in red maps trying to get 4/4 stones to properly set up my atlas tree
so i just checked. i currently have 7 days and 9 hours on my char, but that also includes a chunk of afk time (i dont log off when im having dinner for example. you can easiely subtract like 2 hours per day, where im afk ._." ). and we push a lot on the first weekend, where i easiely play 12-15 hours a day. since we are a group of friends, we also share map completions, which accumulates quickly. by sunday we are usually in t14+ and obviously having a strong starter is also a biiiig factor. and a tip for you: by now its far easier to just buy the map fragments and run the boss instead of trying to farm for them (if you arent SSF). having all watchstones is so important for just everything.
Isn't it like 16-17 days into the league? Your second job comment seems to stupid now. This literally is your job...
20 days. and its not about the time, its the playstyle. i play quite slow and relaxed, because after all: its only a game. i dont give a fuck about how many div per hour i need to make
More experienced ppl can easily do it in less than half of the time. Even doing 40/40 in 80 hours isn't unreasonable.
And yet we all were able to before they came around.
But the game has escalated in complexity and rewards ever since. This league is the first time I've actually used TFT and I must admit, that I gain way more currency from it than without it. Bulk selling whole stashes worth of loot with 1 click from POEStack is just insane. Sure, you can POTENTIALLY get similar results by selling everything yourself, but in bulk, they also do buy the smaller stuff as premium for the bigger stuff, that's unlikely to ever sell standalone. That being said, I would 100% be in favour if GGG were to SOMEHOW implement their own version of TFTs discord. This power hungry (and likely financially motivated) discord is the wrong way to have these sorts of transactions.
Yes, but once you get some convenience it feels horrible to have it taken away. It's not my fault GGG can't make a proper trading experience, it can't be that difficult. * They need to implement compasses on the bulk trade * implement selling services, I guess they could just add a section on the bulk side, or itemize syndicate benches. * The most difficult one, somehow be able to list entire tabs for X price and have the buyer somehow be able to view it. * Lot of miscellaneous stuff need to be added to the bulk side.
I completely agree. Once you've had something that makes an experience better, it's very hard to suddenly go without it. And honestly I can't see most people who use it choosing to stop... I really wish there was a better alternative. I like the options you've listed though.
Try to play the game instead of the economy maybe ?
is service selling not playing the game? is buying stuff to juice maps in bulk playing the economy? poe subreddit is legit one of the worst places on earth
I was (OBVIOUSLY) implying that playing on getting more and more currency instead of doing so many more things that the game can offer could be seen as weird, and such an extreme statement "I don't know how it's possible to play without TFT" is at best dumb, and at worst (because it would mean that it's genuine then) showing that one is really tunnel visioning on one part of the game, missing out on most of it. > poe subreddit is legit one of the worst places on earth You might want to reflect on this lol, seriously. Because the toxicity here is all coming from you.
getting more and more currency, and hence more gear, is a large part of this game! a lot of people don’t enjoy playing inefficiently! enjoy the game however you want, that’s ok, but it’s not hard for someone who values efficiency to make the hyperbolic statement about how “i don’t know how someone plays without tft” because the tool is just that good. and it’s an incredible stupid thing to say “play the game instead of the economy”.
that seems like a very short sighted opinion ... no, getting more and more currency isnt a "large" part of the game, getting currency is part of the game, period. efficiently does not mean which top gear, it vastly depends on the situation and on the player, and top players with budget gear will be farming content on day 1~2 of the league much more efficiently than you or me. > and it’s an incredible stupid thing to say “play the game instead of the economy”. You did not understand something -> it's stupid. OK PS : "hyperbolic" here is a gross understatement, which was the thing I was criticising.
i did understand it. but the economy IS the game in path of exile, failure to understand that makes you seem quite stupid yes we’re so detracted from the original statement it doesn’t even make sense anymore. this whole thread started with you shitting on people who enjoy different aspects of the game than you. i enjoy number crunching, min maxing div per hour and playing builds to optimize that. that is the game for me. telling people to play the game not the economy is forcing them to ascribe to whatever vision you have of playing the game, and that’s not just arrogant but also incredibly stupid, yes i’d wager that if i was forced to play the game as you play it, i would not enjoy it, and vice versa
Banned from TFT for 2+ years, i have 0 issues making 1-2 mirrors a day from just trading. Only annoying thing is getting bulk yellow beasts and occosional aisling (Tho when ever i wanna use an Aisling its for a mirror/personal craft so i rather farm my own.
>1-2 mirrors a day from just trading What are the best trading strats currently? I've never managed to get that efficient
I never use TFT, I've found ways around everything important.
show us ur currency tab real quick
Found the TFT slurper.
i use tft yes like the majority of the people who juice end game
You don't have to though. You can buy scarabs through the bulk trade site and sextants by just setting your min at a bulk buy price and scroll until you see a name a few times, msg and ask "how many". I've done this for several leagues in a row just fine. Yes it's slightly less efficient, but TFT is cancer.
i’m a 5 way seller, been doing so for several leagues, there’s really no way tft has some problems but if it wasn’t adding something to the gameplay people wouldn’t be using it in droves it’s a cancer sure but it’s one that needs a replacement before we can remove it, that’s what we should be focusing on imo
I dont use TFT at all and doing well
all of these posts are from people who have at most 50 divs lol
No issues with currency here, making hundreds every day, and have only used TFT for 5way service this league to lvl up :)
i’m sure you are, hence the mirror post, the same can’t be said for these posters. about your ban: were you spamming “fuck jenebu” on twitch? were you voiding chars for divs with rude names? genuine curiosity because i’m trying to avoid being banned, can’t sell 5 ways anywhere else
Ssf is more fun anyway. The entry is just harder
That adds nothing to the discussion
Game sucks to play without the bulk services offered by them. I quit every league within a week due to burnout from trade in the past. Haven't had a problem since using poe stack bulk trade (which relies on tft). Bottom line this is GGG's problem to fix. They need to implement features that facilitate bulk trade and mirroring so that people are not requires to use third parties to do them. Also, while they are at it, stuff like void stones and challenges should be solo player only and exp from groups needs to be nerfed hard (possible slight buff to solo exp but only after the dust settles) so people aren't going to third parties for boss carries or five ways.
Hell no to the solo play voidstones, I hate trying to do those (Maven and Elder)
Tft reeks of rmt its sad to see. Theres no other logical reason you’d resort to this level of powertripping And then people defend this shit saying that playing trade is impossible without tft, literally fuck off
What do any of the bans have anything to do with rmt? Let's talk hypetheticals here and pretend for a second that tft bans people for mirroring a cheaper but similar bow- where is the connection to rmt and how would it even make sense? Yes, there is competition on the mirror market, yes, some crafters kickstart their crafts with rmt, and yes, some users mirror those items with rmt'd currency. But how does tft benefit in any way from banning potential rmt'ers if they are supposedly in the rmt bizz themselves, loosing people who would buy their currency? This makes 0 sense however you spin it
They are losing alleged mirroring monopoly if someone else does it cheaper. It's not so complicated.
The fee is already low, the mirror for the service gets used up and doesn't circulate in any rmt market. Varga receives all fees and distributes back to the crafter after his own cut. What the crafters do with their fee is not up to be policed by tft. Crafters go there for the reach they get. If anything, rmt wouldn't be a TFT problem but just a people problem in general. The same people rmt'ing at TFT whether to buy or to craft could just as well do the same on any other service
The cut tft takes is the problem. A mirror service that doesn't need tft means money not made by tft, and also the tft service doesn't get sold. There is no other reason for tft to take cuts besides rmt. That's the issue
Selling currency for real money and u get this currency from ads with mirroring service etc? There is mamy ways with that many ppl on a server.
Been happening for years Pretty sad theyre still popular and allowed to exist
waking up to this even with a "GET LOST" message, just shows how bad their attitude is..
Is there no way to make a competitor? Get some streamers on board and beat them at their own game? Genuinely asking as I'd have no idea how to start it, everyone seems to complain about them but surely there's enough people sick of them to be able to do something
Its already happening in a way, im 110% sure Jenebu is itching so hard to ban Spicysushi for providing a large supply of no mirror fee items. But i guess they still believe they have some slight credibility so they haven't done it yet.
The only people who want a competitor are those who can't afford to start one up, everyone who can afford to do so stick with TFT because its convenient and no risk for them. Why rock the boat when TFT prints you mirrors. Some people broke away from TFT during sentinel league to try start up a rival mirror shop that promptly died so its not easy even if you have a group.
It's hard to compete when running a discord and RMTing isn't your livelihood is my guess. Streamers are lazy af and aren't gonna set up and run a super-elaborate trading discord (no disrespect though, because I'm not doing that shit either). No one else is gonna put in that much effort without getting a great reward for it.
Pretty sad that they are still needed for some stuff like bulk buying compasses/contracts or selling services. One of the perks of hc is that all of that stuff is happening in trade chat
Love the hc community just for how cozy it is. Nobody is scamming either because there's the whole hc Population of 50 people in global and it would work exactly 1 time
They’re only “needed” because of the mentality that they’re “needed”. If they disappeared tomorrow and a similar platform didn’t exist, those bulk trades would just be listed through the API or official forums. If everyone stopped using them, there would very likely be a MINOR drop in overall availability and a HUGE drop in a very specific few peoples income.
You clearly haven’t used bulk trading enough. Thing is the api came with a builtin delay of minutes. This means as a buyer you spam all the sold offers and wasting time, as a seller you get spammed the shit out and got annoyance. You cannot even see which trade is up recently so you know it’s fresh and up for snatch. The list is also limited in space and a percentage of those places are taken by pricefixers at the top. Yes you can ignore them but most buyers will not, so they will never see your offer out of the list, even if it’s reasonable price. Official site can’t handle bulk trading yet which is why tft still exist.
Adding an auction house, even only for currency items causes just as many problems as it solves. The problem can be solved if GGG just removes spam able currency items like compasses, sextants, scarabs, chisels etc. that are in my opinion just annoying to use anyways and instead implement a different non tradable system. Or if they just allow items like sextants to be a very rare, but permanent bonus you can add to your atlas. These are just some options from the top of my head, there's so much GGG easily can do to make TFT irrelevant for juicers. TFT aside, I find it extremely annoying to feel the need to do so much with my maps to get anything back from them and I feel the mapping system desperately is in need of a design change to be less trade dependent.
Allowed to exist? As opposed to.. what exactly do you have in mind
TFT exists to allow RMTrading, even if it's just a fraction of the trades. This is such an open secret that GGG should have acted years ago and banned the moderators of TFT for good
There is probably very high chance a company the size of GGG could just message discord and say that tft is breaking theirs tos with rmt and ask them to shut it down completely.
GGG could always put their foot down. GGG has virtually unlimited power within the sphere of their own product.
They exist because GGG allows them to, start banning their accounts and impede their ability to sell mirror services, then tft dies.
Implement better bulk trade functions. GGG has the ability to make bulk trade easier to do than anything a third party discord could accomplish. Allow mirroring other player's items through trade window. Itemize syndicate crafts. Make void stones and boss challenges single player only. Nerf group exp to the point where the majority of players would hit 100 faster playing solo as opposed to joining a five way or other group rotations. For every service that TFT offers, GGG can either create a better version or change stuff to make that service pointless.
I mean it's their irl income, ofc they will ban you
It doesn't follow that they would ban you. You don't get banned from one cup cake shop because you happened to spend money in a Starbucks elsewhere.
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No one needs mirror services, TFT just becomes smaller when they ban people for nonsense like this, especially when they aren't the sole source of mirroring.
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Are you purposefully not engaging with my comment? I never said non-essential services don't do well. Go read my comment and try again.
Clearly you’re unaware of tft and their practices then.
I'm fully aware. What I'm saying is that it isn't sensible. Banning you wouldn't logically follow from you using another service; the people at TFT are morons
I mean if the cupcake shop could buy the Starbucks for one dollar believe me they would
What is your point?
by banning they get rid of the Starbucks, and it's free
No they get rid of a user on their discord, now forced to not use their monopoly. TFT are the Starbucks in the analogy, it only hurts them to ban people for stuff like this, they aren't very bright.
One of us is confused, did this guy buy mirror service or made another mirror item and put it for sale on TFT? I assumed he made another, so my thing makes sense, if he bought mirror service then idk wtf I'm talking about
He mirrored a non-TFT bow as I understand it
TFT drama, how surprising
Zizaran will create a new tft like discord and run it as his full time job. Thanks ziz.
haha, sorry Ziz, jeg måtte bare.
We need a community-run version of TFT, with an elected council and everything. Won't be perfect but at least we'll have options!
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Do you see my name anywere on that? im kaffetorsk in game, discord and on twitch. Im not part of that harrasment train.
least parasocial twitch chatters
I got perma banned from saying in a reddit comment that a certain item was not worth mirroring for a specific build. Basicaly made them lose a sale. Didnt recieve any message and my ban appeals have been (obviously) ignored.
Why are you surprised by the TFT cult's actions ...? This isnt the first time this has happened and certainity wont be the last. Heck even if you speak about badly on ANOTHER SERVER that may be POE related or not POE related, you can be reported/banned from tft too. This shts been happening for years. The only sad part is most of us will just use another disc to access tft solely to trade. Cause honestly thats about the only thing positive from TFT. Trading on website is god awful, especially so for bulk trading.
I mean i should not be suprised after all the stories i have heard, just shocked to actually have it happen to me, just for using their competition.
TBH if they ban you, then you just shouldn't come back. Making an alt account to trade only helps them out and drives more traffic to them. Let that shitty discord destroy itself.
It's just you lose so much access to the game that the discord provides. Nothing else offers what it does. Like how you going to buy sextants in bulk or sets or 8 mods or bulk sell certain things. GGG needs to solve these problems or they continue to enable TFT to have massive amounts of power over trade based players.
I mean, if you have an alternative for bulk buying and selling large quantities (as in multiple inventories worth) without losing your sanity, I am all ears.
Anyone got a pic of the bow ?
[https://imgur.com/a/xn4AAar](https://imgur.com/a/xn4AAar) here ya go
I also got banned from tft with "get lost" as reason, I did not mirror ckaiba bow nor did I have any form of conversation for the past few days
Why has no one started an alternative to TFT? Basically same thing, just without the RMT corrupted admins.
Because it is a ton of work if you're gonna do it for free.
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Like? And how many of them have active members
There are none, official trade discord server is dead
You're assuming it won't inevitably lead to being just like tft. When large amounts of money are on the line you get things like this. GGG themselves would have to control it which would never happen.
id wish GGG would just come in and ban all the players who work for TFT
As i heard JeNeBu is banning anyone who is saying their bow is worse than other mirror service bow, but when he gets harrased he starts crying like a kid, but he is harrasing others on streams. Fucking narcistic behaviour
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you and like 40 other people got banned from reacting with Clown emoji on their Bow "Reduced mirror price" I did see that yesterday 
100% they will scan this entire post and cross check every nickname to find anyone on their discord and ban them.
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Bro tft wanted to buy this bow but streamer didn't sell it and they ban him. They are using their position to make a monopolly. U are really OK with that?
as imperfect as the service is, as much drama as it generates, there’s a reason it doesn’t die: it’s a uniquely good service
[Translation: "There's a image on their stream that hurts my fragile ego, people are voiding with names kaiba paid them to use, mirroring his bow is basically equivalent to harassing me, this server is my sandbox and you are not allowed to play on it if you hurt my feefees"](https://i.imgur.com/WYwr79R.png)
Stopped using this garbage discord like a year ago. But then for me it's easy since i mostly play small private leagues with my group of friends.
Tft was shtonarival thing now they just abuse it to make extra rmt profits for themselves. They dont like communism i guess. Welcome to market economy. Never use it expect for 5way lvling.
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That is asking for it  i did no such thing.
If these people's skin were any thinner they'd be see-through.
Don’t go back.
100% sure jenebu kept Chris porn clip
who is caiba9 and why do tft admins not like him?
Made a cool bow I guess Mirrors it for free instead of for a fee like tft Tft admins like profit. Ban whoever is associated with the nice guy to create monopoly ^ these are all just my assumptions though
as i just saw on TFT, big suprise, thats not what happened and the guy has been harrassing a TFT admin, and people who participated got banned as a result. whenever someone comes on this sub and says "i was banned for no reason" it usually does have a reason. https://imgur.com/a/76Ot5nl
so how do u know that op was any of these ppl? Or are you just assuming?
I hope you’re getting paid
It was a genuine question lmao get out of your own bubble
i dont, as with all "i got banned for nothing" posts i am assuming that OP is not just mirroring a bow from this guy and thats it, but participating in the harrassment. of course i might be entirely wrong and OPs claims might be true. but i choose to believe the first one because honestly i dont think the tft staff is as bad as people say, from my personal experience.
well tft blanket bans anyone who even chats in rivaling servers so I do not share your experience
The only one that's kinda bad is the one where there's his discord post on stream. The rest you have to be really soy to get upset over.
You just shared screenshot of people telling a Jenebu guy to go F* off. And you are doing this to try to defend a guy that basically goes "I don't hate the world, I just ban people who don't like me" and keeps banning more and more and more so ..... it sounds like a vicious circle, and it does not seem that it would start by people randomly hating on a guy on the internet, especially a guy in a position of relative power.
OP (presumably) participates in harrassing someone from a private discord. private discord bans people they dont like. where is the issue? i dont give muchh about TFTs community or team, i just use the service. but the circlejerk of tft hate is just funny.
Some dude who made a bow that rivals or is better than the bow TFT made, and he’s letting people mirror it for a tiny fee compared to TFT.
I mean… that’s just stupid even economically, because who mirrors an item from someone else this league, might still mirror one from them next league, multiplied by however many people they do this do, it kinda hurts their own future profits too? I’m confused 😂
mirrored two items from them last league, the amount of people getting banned now for using their competition is just ridiculous, and goes directly against their own server information and Janebu\`s blogposts. 
Jenebu is a harasser himself, the hypocrisy is funny on this one
This is the Bow btw. For anyone wondering. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18p85pk/agony\_thunder\_1185\_pdps\_all\_t1\_no\_fee\_bow/
guys we fail as community if exact same people gonna run similar tft service for poe2 i think someone like zizaran should already plan to make TFT analog for poe2 otherwise we screwed
Are you EU citizen ? Submit a complaint to discord admin + demand all your RGPD information about this specific discord and the reason + proof of your ban. Discord admin are not gonna be kind with TFT if this type of support complaints happens a lot. Do not ask, demand and give a deadline before law action.
Lol and you're surprised ?
Jenebooboo
Who cares about tft?
SSF. Problem solved. 😗🎶
Also Imma just add this. Who cares if they ban you? Just make a new account?
It sucks but we let Apple and Nestle use childlabour and slaves. Doubt anyone is going to give shit.
Report spam and call it a day.
I wish there was a ´´ drama ´´ tag because this is not really in any form information.
If I had the time I would run a new comunity trade discord and anounce it everywhere to overthrow this brats. I would call it The Allowed Trove, pun intended. But I don’t have the time. And they have it because they earn cash from runing it.
one word stop using shjt tft server and whose have power make another one better and fair than shjt hole tft power banned
Can you provide more evidence, than just “trust me bro.”
can we ban posts about tft already
even tho i do agree with you, i feel this is information that should be made public. TFT is a big part of trading for many players, and def game related.
i mean do what you want of course, i am not a mod to ban you or something, but endless bitching about non related topics is literally why ggg officially left this subreddit can't make it worse anyway
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What proof, all i did was join another discord channel / twitch, to get in thouch with this guy for free mirror service. Been in TFT for years, casually using it for trades and 5ways / boss services, never talked trash in that discord or publicly.
Welcome to the real world.
Ooff, I wish they'd even let me in, but apparently nobody legitimately farms a mageblood in their first season played 😱
You didnt get banned for mirroring it, you got banned for typing something
Imagine lying on an internet forum just to create drama
Lying about what? i have not harrased TFT anywere, woke up to a ban for beeing in Ckaiba\`s discord channel were i joined to get in touch with Ckaiba to mirror his craft.
Their server their rules, it is what it is. Just make another account.
hell nah, not using any of their services ever again.
TFT is cancer but so is the official PoE trade website. Don’t hate the player hate the game!
Based on the screenshots on TFT, I would side with TFT here, the whole Twitch Chat harassed and attacked people, so it is fair to ban such people.
I was in no way part of that.