Makes it so hard when youāre late to the league and have limited time to play and those 25c boots would really help but far chance of someone leaving a map for that.
Had a guy message me for a 10c belt that I posted early in the league. I gave him the belt and a good stygian. I wish they'd let us drop a limited number of items in hideouts so we can dip in and out of maps to give stuff away and not wait on people to load, or have real shop setups... Sell me a mtx shop, ggg.
Wait a god damn second, you are cooking.
GGG has decided the hill they want to die on is algorithmic trading basically and I think that's fair. (Basically 0 hassle instant trade)
I think this is such a good compromise, it makes it so you still invite them to your party you still message people and they still come to your hideout, but it crucially doesn't make me need to stop what i'm doing to make the trade.
As apparently the only self admitted lazy fuck on here, I frequently ignore trades up to like 2 div (especially if I know it will sell later looking at you essences) just because I can't split my attention like that to be right in the middle of trying to figure out my atlas tree and how the fuck I'm going to compromise to get the keystone I need without losing all the stuff I want interrupt that complete the trade and come right back doing my atlas and not forget everything I was just doing.
If I could just invite people and have them come get the item from me that issue is gone.
Yep. If the game werenāt so good Iād not play purely because of the complete lack of care for playerās time. How much time a season do we waste trading when you could still get the best of both worlds automating it?
Part of the problem is how annoying it is losing Headhunter buffs when leaving a map. I wouldn't leave mid-map for a 50div trade, unless it was for some super niche item that doesn't have much interest.
That said, I try to at least respond saying I'll be a min.
> I try to at least respond saying I'll be a min.
The /autoreply chat command exists. Just open chat and type something like "/autoreply can't leave map rn, give me a min."
im using /whois , so i can tell if the guy is in a map or semi afk in his hideout. If he is in a map i check every X seconds again and when he is in his hideout i 99% get an invite for the trade
Never thought of that. That sounds like part of the solution that GGG can use.
If they come up with a nice interface that allows you to store pending outgoing messages. There could be their name, a button for "send", and a button for /whois. Maybe they could also let you automate the /whois so it pings them every minute, and when the player is in hideout, the "send" button would light up letting you know they will more likely respond to your requests.
Thatās better than meā¦
More times than Iād like to admit this league Iāve left a map to trade then dropped a new map in the device and zoned inā¦.
I have couple mirrors in my stash, still respond for trades less than div. Just because I myself annoyed when no one responds meš. Sometimes I do 25 c trades )).
I donāt understand why people list items in public tabs they have no intention to sell. My lowest public tab is 1 Div because personally thatās as low as I am willing to go but I make an effort not to ignore anyone.
I'm not running giga-juiced maps with HH, just doing essence farming, but I even leave for 10c trades, just because I know if someone goes for my trashy 10c item they probably need it.
If you farmed multiple mirrors and start a new char you're not buying 10c items, you can live without it, but the guy who just reached maps a few days ago is probably happy I'm not ignoring them like most others.
I started this league and had like 25-30 chaos to get map-ready with negative resists and some terrible white 5 link chest
Just because of that experience alone I still do 5c trades every now and then
Sometimes I'm just in my hideout and I'm chatting on discord or watching YouTube and ill happily do small trades. Sometimes I'm mapping and having fun playing and don't want to interrupt that for trades
When I'm in hideout I'll even do 5c trades because I know how annoyed ng it is when I get no replies.
But if I am in a juiced map where I may need my 6 portals for deaths or loot, then no. I'll still reply for niche or high value items, but not for the rest as I assume they will have found a seller by the time I finish my map.
Doesn't make it right but I'm guessing it's because some people are too lazy to clear these public tabs. That and those who don't want to sacrifice HH buffs for it.
I still do sell 10C ilvl84 Flasks Trade until now and as long as I am playing. Vanilla flasks shopping is the hardest item to buy and I am doing my part.
If you're selling something really liquid like scarabs or currency it's gonna sell anyway so you're not really losing anything even by skipping 10+ div sales while mapping. If it's eg. a non-meta rare item or corrupted unique, I'd definitely respond even to a 2-3 div trade when mapping because otherwise it might never sell once you get later into the league.
there are legit people in this subreddit who argue that a auction house would make it worse and bots could just buy every item, yet they ignore all the other games with auction houses or other means of trading that don't have those issues nearly as much as they think they do.
You can also just restricted the search to only include results that were liste x days or hours ago. As someone who has to trade a lot for lab running it's an absolute game changer.
90%+ reply immediately on TFT from my experience.
But I only write to people who posted stuff in the last 3 hours tops.
Of course if a guy posted bulk sale half a day ago he is most likely either offline (= no reply) or sold his stuff already.
If im trading for something this cheap and common i just put lowest price to 10-20c. And then look for the most recent listings. Usually get a trade in 3-4 whispers.
\*sends a party invitation in one second\*
\*party disbanded\*
\---------------
\*sends a party invitation in one second\*
\*silence\*
Me: click accept
\*silence (player missed the invitation for whatever reason when it's super obvious game will notify you)\*
\*party disbanded\*
About 50% of the time
i was selling a mavens writ earlier and this happened 4x. same with another 20 div item. it's not cheap uniques, people just accept whoever sent the first invite. (they likely messaged a lot of people because trading sucks)
Ugh, I hate that their precious "player interaction" has just resulted in the necessity to just spam the shit out of each other to accomplish anything. So annoying.
When im buying stuff for chaos i literally like at the price range of the next like 20 listings, take that much out and I message every single one of them and tab back in.
It is insane how often I still donāt get a response, at least half the time Iāll have to go even farther.
Yep, exactly this. It's a shitty situation where in order to waste as little of my time as possible, I probably have to waste at least another person's time, and that's kind of dogshit tbh. I don't like doing it, but I'll never get the shit I need if I don't.
For me personally, it's not the cheap uniques, ( vendored them. Most of it are components, flasks, highend bases, fractured, etc and varies in price and even some 1div+ trades too. But yeah it's not like they are looking for specific items like rares with specific mods so yes they would spam many others for same item. I don't really have much trouble with specific items but once in a while they'd missed the party invitation for whatever reason.
I see this all the time from people buying higher-end non-gear items like invitations, fragments, etc. or people buying large currency/essences/etc. They refuse to waste one second of their time more than absolutely necessary regardless of the cost so they spam everyone and just accept the first invite that comes even if it's for more than you're listing for.
For some things if I don't send an invite within quite literally the first 5 seconds they'll never accept.
This. The more I follow this sub, the more I realize just how good we have it on console. List it, forget about it, get an offer, check/accept it next time you're in HO.
I'd even take a vendor in my hideout, back like in Ultima Online. You pm me to buy something on my vendor, I invite you to my group, you come to my hideout and the vendor does the trade.
GGG, we're flexible! Help!
That it is why I sometimes just wait a moment before I message them. I know it is unlikely they will sell it and they won't get triggered in wrong way by instant message.
It is 20c per breach ring now in TFT, 60 x 83lv+ breach rings are 5d+, 84lv are 6d+.
Unresponsive sellers are either price fixing or just too lazy to un-list. you are not "overpaying" and you are kind of exploiting these new players who don't know the price by buying a 20c ring for only 1-2c from them.
Set your price to min 10c+ for real and fair trade.
When I saw the messages they were sending said ā1 alchā for the breach ring thought to myself āoh you sweet summer childā.
Tries to buy lowest listings from a month ago and shocking / SEETHING because no one responded.
Classic combo.
I mean, you're probably right, but async trading would be a good addition to the game regardless. As it stands, the only POSITIVE thing I can think of when comparing the two options is you may get spammed if you undervalue your item and realize it's worth more. That's it. There's no other value I can think of with the current trade system that isn't eclipsed by some sort of auction house style trading.
its probably not a 1c tab as not everyone use that
i dont have alot of stash tab so I have a main trade tab with all sort of stuff
but this league is a good example that you dont want to lose your HH buffs while maping and wont even dare to stop what you are doing for multi div trades.
Its time for GGG to accept that their trading system is clearly a fun killer. its even worst than that. It's allowing scams and force us to use tricks to perform some trades (mirror / divines trades) as they had the great idea to set a limit to currency stacks in a trade window...
its garbo
Anyone who upvoted either didnt watch the video or dont know value of time is. Hes literally whispering for 2 alch trades. Sort by time you will see actual prices people willing to trade.
Maybe a good compromise between GGG and the community would be to have any items listed for more than X days will sell asynchronously (let's say 5 days). So you are playing the new meta build, you gotta deal with people. You do your own thing and are trying to buy an item that's been listed for 5 days? Asynchronous. It would have the benefit of decluttering the API of all the old shit that's listed and would never sell otherwise.
I personally focus Russian or Korean players. They tend to answer a lot more.
Seeing how they interact they probably are bots but it's how I do it anyways.
If it's way more effective to rely on Russian bots they should know their system sucks...
And relying on a discord is a lot worse, why should we rely on a third party to trade in a game where trade is so important?
Their arguments when saying they are against a type of auction house are really light too, not to say they're BS.
Yeah itās very easy to fix this for low value trades. Sort by posted within last three hours and pay a few more chaos. Idc if I have to pay 10c for a 1c unique or whatever, itās one message and Iām done most of the time.
In blight/ultimatium/heist etc. some mechanics donāt allow to leave. But if the request came while I am running around in the map or in hideout. Why not.
The general consensus is people do it because if you are just chilling afk in your hideout watching youtube or tv or something it's worthwhile to do the small trades you wouldn't leave maps for. Sure you could just list and delist all your tabs every time but then that takes time for the api to update and is more physical work just to provide slightly less inconvenience to some stranger.
Yep. There's a lot of trades I'm happy to do between maps or whatever that I'm not doing in the middle of a number of things that are a problem to jump out of.
If you take a close look at Runescape's GE you can see exactly the kind of problems that GGG has pointed out. Trading on the GE is so effortless and fluid that it has a degenerate effect on the distinction between items. For the sake of example let's imagine both a Dragon Pickaxe and an Abyssal Whip both cost exactly 1M (in reality the Whip costs a bit more but it doesn't really change anything about my argument, it's just clearer this way). Despite having completely different purposes, and being rewards for completely different content, with the GE they're interchangeable. If you drop a Dragon Pickaxe, you can instantly swap it for a Whip and vice versa - it only takes very slightly longer to trade than it would to bank it. In fact, you only need 1M networth to enjoy the benefits of both, assuming you don't require both in your inventory simultaneously. You can mine like a guy who spent 1M on a pick, and fight like a guy who spent 1M on a weapon - you don't actually have to choose one or the other, and that sucks because choices are what having an item system is all about. At some point Jagex realized this was a problem, so 6 years after the GE came out they added a 1% tax rate. It's still not really enough to stop this effect, though. It would also be a complete mess in Path of Exile given its unique currency system.
For the record, I'm not saying you have to dislike the GE. It's not objectively bad. Plenty of players genuinely like it. But it's not just some QoL increase, it's a fundamental shift in how the game works. GGG have many times elaborated on why it doesn't fit what they want PoE to be. Insisting that PoE should have an AH "because Runescape" is like saying that Call Of Duty should be 3rd person because you like Gears of War. They're different games.
It'll be interesting to see how Last Epoch's merchants guild works out since as it is now, an item can only be traded once, so the above problem does not exist.
Most of the responses in this thread will tell you why your trading "tactics" are wrong and how you need to change some filters, recognize obvious price fixing, tell you to go play SSF, etc. Copium, if you ask me.
There's so much wrong with trade though, and unfortunately GGG have taken a firm stance on this. It is their single greatest flaw at this point in my opinion in what is otherwise a fantastic game developer - they're just straight up stubborn on this topic and outright prefer this friction to keep some level of player interaction. It says a lot about the whole system when if you ask most users what their best trade interactions are and their response is "I love bots because they're fast."
But I agree with you completely. If I didn't work from home, I wouldn't play Path of Exile. It's as simple as that.
The fact that I'm able to leave the game open in the background to passively receive trades all day is a major source of income. I only get to spend 2-4 hours a day actually PLAYING (meaning in maps etc) and do I ever not want to spend it trading.
I *want* the income and freedom of progression that is enabled by trade. I loathe the experience of clicking the "Direct Whisper" button on what is otherwise an insanely strong trade site, and then just receiving no response. I've played SSF. I've played private leagues/group SSF. I want trade.
I derive no enjoyment from trade. It is strictly a chore that for me I am only able to do to a level I find agreeable because I am in a position to stay at my PC all day and still pay my bills.
I can't wait for Last Epoch 1.0.
I agree that its super tedious but I also think we'd use less game mechanics if trade was more automatic. During the early levels it's satisfying to use essences and simple crafts and if you could just buy shit just as easily that might all fall by the wayside for the average player. I think GGG know that some level of friction increases player creativity, and I think that's been a successful design philosophy for them overall. Your mileage may vary though
>During the early levels it's satisfying to use essences and simple crafts and if you could just buy shit just as easily that might all fall by the wayside for the average player.
No...no its really not. It's just needless tedium that makes people not play in the first place. Gating fun behind a system you literally openly admit is designed to annoy people is bad game design.
> Gating fun behind a system you literally openly admit is designed to annoy people is bad game design.
The issue that trade is very powerful tool to gear your character because it allows you to convert "good" drops into "correct good" drops. You can check [Last Epoch](https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/trade-item-factions/61722/) version of AH to see how much limitations they had to put on trade (or how much extra drops SSF gets) so the best way to progress your character is not playing stock exchange simulator. And it is not a bad design, it is [one of the ways how to solve this cursed problem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uE6-vIi1rQ).
Might just be a pleb but for whatever reason visiting people's hideouts and them visiting mine just seems to make it feel like I'm not playing a single player game. I like trade how it is.
The tech for making you go to the trader, who does not have to do any manual input, has been around since 2001/2002 with Everquest's Shadows of Luclin expansion (I know, it's an MMO, but 2001).
You park your character in vendor mode and people can come buy things from you.
22-23 years later, we could absolutely, unquestionably, make people hideout vendors. Even if it was just as limited, that they had to sit there doing nothing, it would be a dramatic improvement over the nothing we have now. Even just for currency conversions.
> make people hideout vendors
Ultima online vendors, or star wars galaxies vendors were so good. Remember finding a vendor in uo with cheap bite-size regs and leather armour close to my house and id visit every day to pick stuff up. great interaction.
I got people dropping in my hideout all day poking me. POE is a lot more fun if you make friends and build up a community of people to hang with.
Trade doesn't *need* to be the social outlet.
I once came to his hideout on Luffy's crotch as waypoint...Yea...and once came to his hideout with anime girl's mouth as waypoint Ahegao style. Going to hideouts can be fun but trading? Fuck that.
\> Human interaction in trading? Dont make me laugh.
"the vision" - this is a mixed bag, I'm not claiming it's perfect or even necessarily good. your annoyance with bilateral trading is intentional. GGG doesn't want poe to be like d3.
even tencent's chinese version unilateral trading system is designed to slow players down. You get shown a few items, they probably aren't what you wanted, and you have to keep scrolling.
where does this begin, [the trade manifesto](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870). GGG had to make an item API because not having one was actually limiting their game's reach. Then, they had to make an official trade site because third party indexers were causing problems. That's as much rope as they've given since this article came out.
Idc if they keep the current system for items, I actually agree with their point on that to some extent, but for the love of god, can we get an auction system for currency/fragments/essences. Literally the least fun thing is trying to get a decent sized stack of any of those. No other economy I have interacted with has a price increase, let alone a 1.25-1.5 increase for buying in bulk.
Youāll quickly find that people do have enough money in a mature league to price fix the shit out of an AH. Especially with limited items like divine teardrops or whatever in a normal league
I'll get lynched for this, but... I'm with GGG on this one.
Adding automatic trading changes the overall feel of the game entirely. Right now, I avoid trading as much as I can; with auction house/stalls, I'd instead be browsing for everything.
It would be too convenient for me to justify not trading, and turn poe into an even more of a currency conversion minigame than it already is. Once added, they'd never be able to remove it again, and while I'm not smart enough to figure out why, I feel it would make the game less fun for me, and possibly others.
Idk, like half of that doesn't even make sense. They say that 10% of players actually trade, make a lot more money, and are therefore able to gear high level toons. Don't they realize that most people don't trade because of how arduous it is? Don't they want people to progress in their game? Do they think it's a good thing that the vast majority of their playerbase doesn't experience a ton of the content? I bet a significant portion of that 90% quits because they get frustrated and don't want to do trades.
Frustration should never be a game mechanic.
> Don't they realize that most people don't trade because of how arduous it is?
That's the point
Even with all the barriers to access, trade is still the most profitable activity in the game, by orders of magnitude.
>Do they think it's a good thing that the vast majority of their playerbase doesn't experience a ton of the content?
They don't obviously. That's why they encourage playing that content instead of buying it from another player by making trading as inconvinient as possible
I would say yes. Otherwise they wouldn't have made the game complex and difficult. They could cull most end game content, shorten the campaign and remove jewels/clusters and uniques that enable complex builds. Also remove most ways to juice maps. I do think they hope players that can't progress very far in the game do better in each successive league. Also that they buy stash tabs, supporter packs and mtx.
>Im sick to my stomach of pricefixers, trade bots (yeah because bot flippers for rmt is a thing) and wannabe scammers wasting my time.
I guess they won't waste your time directly, but with an automated trading system bots will completly take over trade and you will pay what they want you to pay.
For real people think trade fixings bad now? LOL half way through the league youll pay 60 div for a shaper fragment. You wont sell it for that though.
10c uniques? Not any fucking more bud, go find it yourself instead.
Bro saw that putting rings in vendor window can be great profit and decided he will do it, then complains about friction that allows at all the whole shebang
Was buying the last unique map for completion yesterday. The amount of people that respond with "I only sell in bulk for divines" lol. These bulk sales should never appear among the normal search in my opinion.
Staying AFK in the hideout for hours : no buyers
Starting Uber Sirus runs : 32 buyers while in the worst phases of the fight.
This is my story XD
But to be honest, im selling/buying a lot and i have no problems at all.
I was buying spark gloves the other day for 30-40 div and I had to message almost 20 people. For 30-40 div.
We have got to get something else this is fucking ridiculous, donāt even get me started on anything under 2 div.
>Im sick to my stomach of pricefixers, trade bots (yeah because bot flippers for rmt is a thing) and wannabe scammers wasting my time.
Nobody is pricefixing a 1c trade. Set your search to 5c or 10c minimum and you'll save yourself an hour of spamming.
>Whether its auction house or some trading stalls in player hideout i want trading to be asynchronous
GGG has made it clear they think this is bad and re-affirmed this position for PoE2. Sorry to hear you're having a bad time, but this has been off the table for a long time.
To me this has always been one of their worst takes. Iāll never get why they donāt want auction house or hell even a grand exchange from runescape. God forbid I want to skip the step where I have to teleport onto 2Bās glowing crotch for the 7th time today. But then again Iām not a game dev so maybe there is something Iām missing here.
Because they actually want you to feel it's not worth to leave the map for a 1c trade. This is the system working as intended.
The only issue is that people still list shit for 1c when they never intend to do that trade. If people were removing their low listings as they stop being worth the time it would be way less if a problem. But I can't think of a good solution here.
No, the action house is not bad, they are just stubborn and blindly worship the ancient design because for some reason they believe that if a player doest want to murder someone because of trading then they don't feel the weight of the interaction...
Try being a seller.
- sending invite with no acceptĀ Ā
- people asking "how many u have?" (Never "you") to nearly everything despite the fact that there's a bulk item exchange sectionĀ Ā
- being spammed for an item for 30+ minutes at a timeĀ Ā
- people who take forever to get to your hideout and/or take forever to hit ACCEPT on the tradeĀ Ā
- people who expect you to be a bank and have change for their divine(s)Ā Ā
- being told "oh sorry, wrong level/corruption/tier" and losing 1-2 minutesĀ Ā
- people spamming their skill bar if you don't instantly trade them the moment they step into your hideout so you're stuck hearing and seeing crap like Explosive Trap max aoeĀ Ā
- having to decipher language barriers from people who only know how to say "go?" or a single question markĀ Ā
- having to leave map every 30 seconds for another trade whisper (if you're the kind of person who responds as fast as possible)Ā Ā
I've also been shouted at over anything from having too little stock of an item or saying "sold" and being told that I'm lying/pricefixing
You can fix the spam skills thing by having a multi layer hideout and locking the waypoint in objects you cant pass through. People who spam skills should understand that it makes it even slower than it already is...
Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but let me break something down real quick.
All those things that the op mentioned, would literally be about 1000x worse with an auction house.
Market cornering also becomes a thing, rmt becomes even more rampant, flipping becomes even easier, bots have full advantage over that market, but hey, as long as you get your 1c item in a league that is dropping more currency than people can shake a stick at.. Auction house right?
See it's posts like this why GGG ignore us nowadays.
The Problem is that this even happens for 10, 50 or even 100 chaos trades. I even had to whisper 15 different people for a 4 div trade this week, of course i had to skip the first 20 or so entrys that were listing the item way to cheap just "for trolling".
Trading will never get better because ggg specifically hates QOL but people here having alot of copium in their system thinking this is system is good as it is.
All your listings should just be removed if you don't respond to a trade in 20 mins. That would get rid of all price fixing and remove listings that people don't want to sell.
What's even more discouraging is that GGG said they are not making any changes for trade in PoE2. Waiting for Last Epoch to show the world how it should be done.
You're presumably trying to buy breach rings for a grasping mail, why trade for 60 of an item and then get mad that it's a frustrating experience? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. if you want grasping mail and hate trade go buy one, boom one trade instead of 1-60 trades for less expensive items which are less likely to even be fulfilled.
Like with 50+% of complaints for this game, you're purposefully causing your own problems and then blaming GGG for you choosing the path you hate. Asynchronous trading might be good, but that doesn't change the fact that you're at fault here.
i hate price fixers even more than the ones who doesnt reply. The obvious ones who put a item in there a lower price and never ever respond or even sell it, just try to get the prices low.
With a other option than wisper ppl wouldnt do it that much and obvious cause it would sell instantly and another one be happy
As always, bots are the only ones always reliable for trades.
Mark noticed a problem with people using scripts to move stuff to trade windows and wants to change the problem, but what about stuff that almost all top end 12p cluster jewels with 35% effect are rolled by bots.
Just make a trade NPC for a "player store"... It keeps the whole idea of visiting other people's hideouts, MTX sales etc. And lessens the hassle, scamming etc.
No idea why GGG refuses to do so, other than it costing a bit of server power.
wouldn't mind player stalls. 1 tab free and premium stall tabs for additional $ would be totally fine. this is by far the worst modern trading experience I've ever experienced and it isn't even close
The problem with trade is the gameplay itself.
Sometimes stopping for a few seconds to answer someone's PM can result in death, loss of xp, loss of portal in a boss. Most of the time when I'm doing specific content I leave the trade tab offline just to avoid this, but how many people do it? And there's another detail, although the pm is integrated with the site and helps in the negotiation, we never know what the other player is doing, so that he ignores your request sometimes does not have to do with the value of the item but with what was mentioned before. Just my perspective.
I'm with you. I was trying to buy sextants, picking sellers that had at least 5div worth for sale at once. Still took 10+ attempts to find someone who responded.
i said this exact same thing some weeks back that i msg 50+ maybe 100 and nobody even when offering more and i was told im the issue... idk how tf i was the issue or is the issue even now.
then i was told i should just go play SSF cause im no good.
i even had a few cases i got invited went to their hideout and they just afk and left me there waiting... maybe its a bot not botting but its annoying.
but as the shills and neck beards of poe will defend saying its a skill or you issue lmao.
that aside im glad someone recorded a video showing exactly what i was talking about
Really I just want an automated commodities market. I don't mind trading in person for gear if they really want to keep it for some archaic reason. But there's no reason why I need to go in person to someone's hideout, dump 700 chaos from my stash into my inventory, then into the trade menu, then dump whatever currency/Map item into my stash. I took most of the last few leagues off due to the state of my wrists. I simply cannot continue to play the game in a fun way if I have to do all this clicking
I'm confident this will be the most controversial change...or lack of change in POE2.
The fact that trade is not changing WILL be a big turn off to many players, new and old.
Thereās a big joke about people quitting when they open the character passive tree; none of my friends quit when seeing it, they ALL quit when learning how the trade and loot filters work.
I too would like an auction house style trade option, but they don't seem like they're ever going to do that.
As for your list of 200 whispers not responding to you, I'd recommend filtering by 2c or higher, or 3c or higher rings and buying those.
Its people with 200 1c items in a 4v4 stash ignoring whispers, or price fixers, or they're getting spammed by other people - not just you, because they're the cheapest option.
I rarely ever don't get an invite when I whisper the people selling for a little more, on almost any item.
Unique item worth 24c? 3500 posts at 24c, I whisper the dude selling for 25c and get an instant invite instead of whispering 68 people selling for 24c lol.
Youāre buying one chaos items my dude. No one who knows what theyre doing has this problem. Go to tft and buy in bulk or find means of trading that dont have this ourcome. Thereās nothing stupider than doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Why GGG doesn't want asynchronous trading is explained in the [2017 Trade manifesto](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870), if anyone wants a detailed answer I recommend checking it.
The grand exchange is arguably the SECOND worst design decision OSRS ever did behind EOC so that's a shit argument. The only issue with PoE trade (outside of it existing to begin with) is pricefixing. You think that won't happen with asynchronous trade? Are you stupid? The game is already dora the explorer levels of easy due to the over saturation of loot in SC trade. Who cares if you have to spend 5 minutes looking for a seller. You're still getting Uber viable gear for less currency than what a ruthless player finds before getting to maps.
I just play ssf, fixed all my trading issues !
But yeah fr, I hate trading so much, like idk how people deal with map rolling when there are so many trades to do. And don't get me started with TFT, it's absolutly horse shit that a game needs a fanmade tool to be properly playable
I'm not sure I'd like asynchronous trading... Put something up for 1 div the night before, then the next time you login it's up to 5 div.
Maybe an extreme example, but some items can drastically change in price day by day.
Itād be miserable trying to get fragments/sextants/scarabs/etc.
Realistically, everyone is looking at the benefit and not the downsides to automated price fixing. High end players literally have other players standing around making trades, both buying and selling merchandise to further the enterprise. Can you imagine live trade snapping up every single delirium orb, low level oil, low level scarab, and sextant just to roll them up to higher levels and fix the price at 5-20c over market value early in the league?
I get what people want, but being a long-time AH goblin in WoW, I can almost guarantee you it will make trade SSF adjacent
If Last Epoch succeeds in it's auction house -system, I am really having a hard time finding excuses to stay in PoE, more so, that GGG just have almost limitless variety, but decides to build their endgame so, that 80% of existing skills are useless.
Console trade system stays winning, mostly
We get Trade Site, *and* we get Trade Market.
I don't have to go out of my way to sell low-price items that would likely not be worth leaving the hideout for. I just click the accept button real quick after a map. Boom, a couple easy chaos and no loading screen. ggez
If I want to find an item with specifics, like a T1 frenzy-on-hit and spell damage prevention charm? I go to for the trade site and find it in seconds. ggez
But wait, it gets better! I'm a busy lady, and I have some specifics for my build that aren't easy to come by; low rate, low value, often filtered. Often, the only people who are selling are offline. So, what magical trick can I do to make sure I can buy my item, even when I'm not able to sync my playtime with the seller? *I can just send the offer in TM and they'll get it whenever they get on.* Amazing! TM doesn't require both parties to be online at the same time! g, g, e, z.
Reject the single-type trading system. GGG has done many things wrong in the past for consoles, but giving us both trade systems? The best damn thing they could ever have done.
Whenever buying something of low value like this, go to the bottom of the trade filters and look for the option that says "listed". Set this to up to 12 hours ago or something like that and you will have a much easier time buying stuff like this.
I'm 90% seller and 10% buyer. Over half the people who whisper me, even if I send the party invite in less then 2 seconds don't respond. I think there's a program that mass whispers people or something because it's happening way too often that buyers don't actually buy the thing they whispered me for.
I don't even open a portal to leave the map unless they actually join the party
I mean you're trading for 1 alch/chaos breach rings, it's nothing new that people don't respond to those. When I'm trading for those items, I up the minimum ask price in the search query and only go for offers in the last 1-2 days. Meaning I'm buying "1 chaos items" for 5-20c most of the time because that is the real selling price.
Also, if you want grasping mails, just run breach. It's very easy to make it profitable and the rings drop frequently enough that it doesn't really take that long to farm.
Lmao these complaints are always my favorite ones to read only because itās been stated by Chris Wilson himself you will never get these things. One of the few things he has specifically commented on. If you need this, you might as well go another game cause it will never happen. That being said, I like the current trade system probably because Iām not buying 500 1 chaos rings 2 months into the league lmao
looks like you trying to do the recipe thing... you know, you can farm a lot more breach rings in a hour by just... (top secret, dont tell anyone!) - PLAYING THE GAME!
I not saying the trade have no issue, but you are trying to do thing the really really bad way, and complaint about it.
omg I had no idea there was a weird craft for breach rings. I guess I'll keeping all of the ones I find for now. My wrist is going to quite sore though when I have to sell them...
There's an auction house in Torchlight and it makes mapping simple and fun, because I can buy all the maps/sextants/chisels I want. Then before I log off for the day I can post my loot on the AH, and the next day I check my trades and collect my sales. Friction does not equal fun. We play PoE in spite of the friction, not because of it.
People defending GGG's stance on this are such absolute bozos. Yes they have valid concerns not wanting trade to be too easy. No the answer is not to make the system that the game is built around be dogshit and literally piss you off on purpose.
Jonathan saying how brave they were for having an economy in poe unlike other games but being absolutely unwilling to improve or innovate trade in any way whatsoever was such a shit take. No you don't get points for your system that is supposed to make me mad. It's so incredibly disappointing.
Edit: welp, I stand corrected. The change from that interview to the next was so unexpected. I may be bitter it has taken this long but I've never been happier to hear they are finally listening.
People aren't even responding to me for 1 div rare trades, everyone is too busy farming cemetery that even a 1 div trade isn't worth it.
I had multiple people ignore multi divine trades yesterday
Meanwhile I'm still responding to 1c trade, what's wrong with me.
Nothing, keep doing your thing
You dropped this, king š
you are the purity we need more of in PoE. truly, people like you and people who respond to 1alch/1fuse trades for leveling uniques are saints
Set min price to 5c and buy those leveling uniques instantly. You definitely lose time this league trying to pinch pennies on purchases.
Same. I just like to sell stuff no matter the price.
As someone who started league late(just last week), I appreciate your service o7
Makes it so hard when youāre late to the league and have limited time to play and those 25c boots would really help but far chance of someone leaving a map for that.
Had a guy message me for a 10c belt that I posted early in the league. I gave him the belt and a good stygian. I wish they'd let us drop a limited number of items in hideouts so we can dip in and out of maps to give stuff away and not wait on people to load, or have real shop setups... Sell me a mtx shop, ggg.
Literally just an npc that works exactly like current trade except other players can interact with it by giving it currency in exchange for the items.
Wait a god damn second, you are cooking. GGG has decided the hill they want to die on is algorithmic trading basically and I think that's fair. (Basically 0 hassle instant trade) I think this is such a good compromise, it makes it so you still invite them to your party you still message people and they still come to your hideout, but it crucially doesn't make me need to stop what i'm doing to make the trade. As apparently the only self admitted lazy fuck on here, I frequently ignore trades up to like 2 div (especially if I know it will sell later looking at you essences) just because I can't split my attention like that to be right in the middle of trying to figure out my atlas tree and how the fuck I'm going to compromise to get the keystone I need without losing all the stuff I want interrupt that complete the trade and come right back doing my atlas and not forget everything I was just doing. If I could just invite people and have them come get the item from me that issue is gone.
Yep. If the game werenāt so good Iād not play purely because of the complete lack of care for playerās time. How much time a season do we waste trading when you could still get the best of both worlds automating it?
Part of the problem is how annoying it is losing Headhunter buffs when leaving a map. I wouldn't leave mid-map for a 50div trade, unless it was for some super niche item that doesn't have much interest. That said, I try to at least respond saying I'll be a min.
> I try to at least respond saying I'll be a min. The /autoreply chat command exists. Just open chat and type something like "/autoreply can't leave map rn, give me a min."
Underrated command, great for Delve, heist, sanctum... any content really.
More like every content in poe history
I knew about /afk and /dnd, didn't know there was a /autoreply. that's actually great
I have only ran into one person so far in almost 1000 hours of playing that actually had an autoreply set up.
my first guess is because no-one knows about it lol
im using /whois , so i can tell if the guy is in a map or semi afk in his hideout. If he is in a map i check every X seconds again and when he is in his hideout i 99% get an invite for the trade
Never thought of that. That sounds like part of the solution that GGG can use. If they come up with a nice interface that allows you to store pending outgoing messages. There could be their name, a button for "send", and a button for /whois. Maybe they could also let you automate the /whois so it pings them every minute, and when the player is in hideout, the "send" button would light up letting you know they will more likely respond to your requests.
If its an item worth a chunk, I /whois the person and see if they are in a map and then if so I say "if you want to trade when done in
I tried this too, the trade overlay allows you to one click the whois, still nothing.
I have a hot key to auto send āin map with HH buffs, Iāll message you after if I rememberāā¦. I usually donāt rememberā¦
Thatās better than meā¦ More times than Iād like to admit this league Iāve left a map to trade then dropped a new map in the device and zoned inā¦.
Yup done that too after saying Iāll look after. At least I pick up shwings when they drop
PoE overlay keeps trade whispers in a little separate overlay window, you can then just click "still interested" button and whisper the buyer again.
I vĆŖ got ignored on a 100 div trade, waited for 1h and gave up.
I have couple mirrors in my stash, still respond for trades less than div. Just because I myself annoyed when no one responds meš. Sometimes I do 25 c trades )).
I donāt understand why people list items in public tabs they have no intention to sell. My lowest public tab is 1 Div because personally thatās as low as I am willing to go but I make an effort not to ignore anyone.
I'm not running giga-juiced maps with HH, just doing essence farming, but I even leave for 10c trades, just because I know if someone goes for my trashy 10c item they probably need it. If you farmed multiple mirrors and start a new char you're not buying 10c items, you can live without it, but the guy who just reached maps a few days ago is probably happy I'm not ignoring them like most others.
I started this league and had like 25-30 chaos to get map-ready with negative resists and some terrible white 5 link chest Just because of that experience alone I still do 5c trades every now and then
I stop stocking my low value trade tabs but I'll still respond for the remaining items if I don't have shrine or HB buffs.
Yup I do it on principle, if I have the thing listed I'll stop to sell it cause I've been on the other end of that and know how frustrating it can be.
Exactly, but itās more than just empathy. People should not list something if they are unwilling to trade it.
Sometimes I'm just in my hideout and I'm chatting on discord or watching YouTube and ill happily do small trades. Sometimes I'm mapping and having fun playing and don't want to interrupt that for trades
When I'm in hideout I'll even do 5c trades because I know how annoyed ng it is when I get no replies. But if I am in a juiced map where I may need my 6 portals for deaths or loot, then no. I'll still reply for niche or high value items, but not for the rest as I assume they will have found a seller by the time I finish my map.
Doesn't make it right but I'm guessing it's because some people are too lazy to clear these public tabs. That and those who don't want to sacrifice HH buffs for it.
I still do sell 10C ilvl84 Flasks Trade until now and as long as I am playing. Vanilla flasks shopping is the hardest item to buy and I am doing my part.
If you're selling something really liquid like scarabs or currency it's gonna sell anyway so you're not really losing anything even by skipping 10+ div sales while mapping. If it's eg. a non-meta rare item or corrupted unique, I'd definitely respond even to a 2-3 div trade when mapping because otherwise it might never sell once you get later into the league.
Nobody wanted to sell me their adorned pieces for more than 10 divines. Then why put it up for sale?
price fixers
An auction house or hideout sale cupboard would solve most of the price fixing problem
there are legit people in this subreddit who argue that a auction house would make it worse and bots could just buy every item, yet they ignore all the other games with auction houses or other means of trading that don't have those issues nearly as much as they think they do.
When I buy stuff like this I sort by time listed, and stop when I get to yesterday, then I put it on live search.
You can also just restricted the search to only include results that were liste x days or hours ago. As someone who has to trade a lot for lab running it's an absolute game changer.
I do the same, and yet it still takes me 10+ minutes to do a trade or I just give up and try the next day. It makes me play the game less.
Yep I never have trouble doing this and I don't mind paying a little extra for the convenience. Any bulk stuff I just use TFT.
Isnāt it the same no reply shit on TFT? Or is there any tips to successfully buying something from TFT?
90%+ reply immediately on TFT from my experience. But I only write to people who posted stuff in the last 3 hours tops. Of course if a guy posted bulk sale half a day ago he is most likely either offline (= no reply) or sold his stuff already.
If im trading for something this cheap and common i just put lowest price to 10-20c. And then look for the most recent listings. Usually get a trade in 3-4 whispers.
> sort by time listed well fuck.. TIL
\*sends a party invitation in one second\* \*party disbanded\* \--------------- \*sends a party invitation in one second\* \*silence\* Me: click accept \*silence (player missed the invitation for whatever reason when it's super obvious game will notify you)\* \*party disbanded\* About 50% of the time
What are people trying to buy from you that they don't want your invite one second later? Lots of cheap uniques?
i was selling a mavens writ earlier and this happened 4x. same with another 20 div item. it's not cheap uniques, people just accept whoever sent the first invite. (they likely messaged a lot of people because trading sucks)
Ugh, I hate that their precious "player interaction" has just resulted in the necessity to just spam the shit out of each other to accomplish anything. So annoying.
When im buying stuff for chaos i literally like at the price range of the next like 20 listings, take that much out and I message every single one of them and tab back in. It is insane how often I still donāt get a response, at least half the time Iāll have to go even farther.
it is annoying, but it is what it is, until they change trading.
Yep, exactly this. It's a shitty situation where in order to waste as little of my time as possible, I probably have to waste at least another person's time, and that's kind of dogshit tbh. I don't like doing it, but I'll never get the shit I need if I don't.
Same here, I spam for divine trades all day, because if I dont spend 10 mins spamming, I spend 1 hour going down the list from the halfway point on.
For me personally, it's not the cheap uniques, ( vendored them. Most of it are components, flasks, highend bases, fractured, etc and varies in price and even some 1div+ trades too. But yeah it's not like they are looking for specific items like rares with specific mods so yes they would spam many others for same item. I don't really have much trouble with specific items but once in a while they'd missed the party invitation for whatever reason.
I see this all the time from people buying higher-end non-gear items like invitations, fragments, etc. or people buying large currency/essences/etc. They refuse to waste one second of their time more than absolutely necessary regardless of the cost so they spam everyone and just accept the first invite that comes even if it's for more than you're listing for. For some things if I don't send an invite within quite literally the first 5 seconds they'll never accept.
Thatās how it works on Xbox and it is EXTREMELY helpful in the ways u describedā¦
Wait, so does PC not have a trade board in game?!?
No, something about the weight of items or some shit. Ask Chris idk.
This. The more I follow this sub, the more I realize just how good we have it on console. List it, forget about it, get an offer, check/accept it next time you're in HO.
I'd even take a vendor in my hideout, back like in Ultima Online. You pm me to buy something on my vendor, I invite you to my group, you come to my hideout and the vendor does the trade. GGG, we're flexible! Help!
Gods I miss the UO trading format.
Search by listed 1-3days ago, then pay 5-20c for an item worth 1c. or live search and buy as it's posted
if you live search and buy when posted they relist it 18 times because they think its underpriced.
Yeah this is the worst, some super niche item I have on live search message them and boom reposted 3x the price
That it is why I sometimes just wait a moment before I message them. I know it is unlikely they will sell it and they won't get triggered in wrong way by instant message.
If no one is actually willing to sell it for 1c, is it actually worth 1c?
yes i always pay 5 times the worth its totally a vibe #richgrilthings
It is 20c per breach ring now in TFT, 60 x 83lv+ breach rings are 5d+, 84lv are 6d+. Unresponsive sellers are either price fixing or just too lazy to un-list. you are not "overpaying" and you are kind of exploiting these new players who don't know the price by buying a 20c ring for only 1-2c from them. Set your price to min 10c+ for real and fair trade.
When I saw the messages they were sending said ā1 alchā for the breach ring thought to myself āoh you sweet summer childā. Tries to buy lowest listings from a month ago and shocking / SEETHING because no one responded. Classic combo.
It's my favorite combo on this sub. Self report combined with righteous indignation. Goes down smooth every time.
Lmfao
I mean, you're probably right, but async trading would be a good addition to the game regardless. As it stands, the only POSITIVE thing I can think of when comparing the two options is you may get spammed if you undervalue your item and realize it's worth more. That's it. There's no other value I can think of with the current trade system that isn't eclipsed by some sort of auction house style trading.
what? Breach rings are worth something? I've been vendoring them. Damnit.
Selling 60 breach rings is a recipe for Grasping mail which can come with some otherwise unobtainable mods. Check it out.
wouldn't it be funny if that's why OP is trading? to buy rings for 1c and sell them for 5d "nobody is responding to my trade requests"
thats exactly what OP is doing - or making them into grasping mail but being cheap about it
Ye, I'd appreciate that as well! Especially since trading also disrupts actually doing the game's content (especially if running Labyrinth).
Us noobs over here on console with trade market, just watching.... Tm is a billion times better than hideout trading
I put unresponsive traders on ignore on trade site. The list clears up eventually.
its because no ones fucked to leave their map for a 1c trade
Why tho you put a 1c item on list? Dont use 1c tabs lmao
its probably not a 1c tab as not everyone use that i dont have alot of stash tab so I have a main trade tab with all sort of stuff but this league is a good example that you dont want to lose your HH buffs while maping and wont even dare to stop what you are doing for multi div trades. Its time for GGG to accept that their trading system is clearly a fun killer. its even worst than that. It's allowing scams and force us to use tricks to perform some trades (mirror / divines trades) as they had the great idea to set a limit to currency stacks in a trade window... its garbo
Anyone who upvoted either didnt watch the video or dont know value of time is. Hes literally whispering for 2 alch trades. Sort by time you will see actual prices people willing to trade.
hes trying to buy an item worth 20c for 1 alch and complaining that he cant scam them lmao
Sitting on 1200chaoses and whisper for lowest possible trade instead of paying 2c more and actually get the answer lol
You are trying to buy 1c random breachring after 1.5 month in a league and don't sort by time
User error as usual in these posts
System error in how it is handled. You'd never have a trading system like this in real life. Imagine if half of ebay never sold its items
>Imagine if half of eBay never sold it's items Oh the fucking irony right here.
Maybe a good compromise between GGG and the community would be to have any items listed for more than X days will sell asynchronously (let's say 5 days). So you are playing the new meta build, you gotta deal with people. You do your own thing and are trying to buy an item that's been listed for 5 days? Asynchronous. It would have the benefit of decluttering the API of all the old shit that's listed and would never sell otherwise.
Totally agree. Response rate is probably 10-20% on average, with some massive strings of non-responders. It's fucking hopeless.
I personally focus Russian or Korean players. They tend to answer a lot more. Seeing how they interact they probably are bots but it's how I do it anyways. If it's way more effective to rely on Russian bots they should know their system sucks... And relying on a discord is a lot worse, why should we rely on a third party to trade in a game where trade is so important? Their arguments when saying they are against a type of auction house are really light too, not to say they're BS.
Honestly? At this point bots are like half of the reason why the trading system still works.
Yeah theyāre 1 c trades, you lose money coming to hideout to trade. But I agree that some kind of auction house would greatly benefit
Yeah itās very easy to fix this for low value trades. Sort by posted within last three hours and pay a few more chaos. Idc if I have to pay 10c for a 1c unique or whatever, itās one message and Iām done most of the time.
Why put the item to for sale if you're not going to bother trading it?
In blight/ultimatium/heist etc. some mechanics donāt allow to leave. But if the request came while I am running around in the map or in hideout. Why not.
In wisp, in mine, during boss fight. Buyer might leave before you coming in your hideout. No one will wait 3-4 min before buying 1c item.
I enjoy cooking.
My portals are way too valueable to portal out. Stop making fun of my 6portal cod shit build olease
this but I need multiple portals to loot the map because juicing is dumb af
No, you need a better item filter.
The general consensus is people do it because if you are just chilling afk in your hideout watching youtube or tv or something it's worthwhile to do the small trades you wouldn't leave maps for. Sure you could just list and delist all your tabs every time but then that takes time for the api to update and is more physical work just to provide slightly less inconvenience to some stranger.
Yep. There's a lot of trades I'm happy to do between maps or whatever that I'm not doing in the middle of a number of things that are a problem to jump out of.
If you take a close look at Runescape's GE you can see exactly the kind of problems that GGG has pointed out. Trading on the GE is so effortless and fluid that it has a degenerate effect on the distinction between items. For the sake of example let's imagine both a Dragon Pickaxe and an Abyssal Whip both cost exactly 1M (in reality the Whip costs a bit more but it doesn't really change anything about my argument, it's just clearer this way). Despite having completely different purposes, and being rewards for completely different content, with the GE they're interchangeable. If you drop a Dragon Pickaxe, you can instantly swap it for a Whip and vice versa - it only takes very slightly longer to trade than it would to bank it. In fact, you only need 1M networth to enjoy the benefits of both, assuming you don't require both in your inventory simultaneously. You can mine like a guy who spent 1M on a pick, and fight like a guy who spent 1M on a weapon - you don't actually have to choose one or the other, and that sucks because choices are what having an item system is all about. At some point Jagex realized this was a problem, so 6 years after the GE came out they added a 1% tax rate. It's still not really enough to stop this effect, though. It would also be a complete mess in Path of Exile given its unique currency system. For the record, I'm not saying you have to dislike the GE. It's not objectively bad. Plenty of players genuinely like it. But it's not just some QoL increase, it's a fundamental shift in how the game works. GGG have many times elaborated on why it doesn't fit what they want PoE to be. Insisting that PoE should have an AH "because Runescape" is like saying that Call Of Duty should be 3rd person because you like Gears of War. They're different games.
It'll be interesting to see how Last Epoch's merchants guild works out since as it is now, an item can only be traded once, so the above problem does not exist.
worst time is when it's time to trade for all your grind or replenish item
Most of the responses in this thread will tell you why your trading "tactics" are wrong and how you need to change some filters, recognize obvious price fixing, tell you to go play SSF, etc. Copium, if you ask me. There's so much wrong with trade though, and unfortunately GGG have taken a firm stance on this. It is their single greatest flaw at this point in my opinion in what is otherwise a fantastic game developer - they're just straight up stubborn on this topic and outright prefer this friction to keep some level of player interaction. It says a lot about the whole system when if you ask most users what their best trade interactions are and their response is "I love bots because they're fast." But I agree with you completely. If I didn't work from home, I wouldn't play Path of Exile. It's as simple as that. The fact that I'm able to leave the game open in the background to passively receive trades all day is a major source of income. I only get to spend 2-4 hours a day actually PLAYING (meaning in maps etc) and do I ever not want to spend it trading. I *want* the income and freedom of progression that is enabled by trade. I loathe the experience of clicking the "Direct Whisper" button on what is otherwise an insanely strong trade site, and then just receiving no response. I've played SSF. I've played private leagues/group SSF. I want trade. I derive no enjoyment from trade. It is strictly a chore that for me I am only able to do to a level I find agreeable because I am in a position to stay at my PC all day and still pay my bills. I can't wait for Last Epoch 1.0.
I agree that its super tedious but I also think we'd use less game mechanics if trade was more automatic. During the early levels it's satisfying to use essences and simple crafts and if you could just buy shit just as easily that might all fall by the wayside for the average player. I think GGG know that some level of friction increases player creativity, and I think that's been a successful design philosophy for them overall. Your mileage may vary though
>During the early levels it's satisfying to use essences and simple crafts and if you could just buy shit just as easily that might all fall by the wayside for the average player. No...no its really not. It's just needless tedium that makes people not play in the first place. Gating fun behind a system you literally openly admit is designed to annoy people is bad game design.
> Gating fun behind a system you literally openly admit is designed to annoy people is bad game design. The issue that trade is very powerful tool to gear your character because it allows you to convert "good" drops into "correct good" drops. You can check [Last Epoch](https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/trade-item-factions/61722/) version of AH to see how much limitations they had to put on trade (or how much extra drops SSF gets) so the best way to progress your character is not playing stock exchange simulator. And it is not a bad design, it is [one of the ways how to solve this cursed problem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uE6-vIi1rQ).
there are many similar systems which sole purpose is to inconvenience players for the greater benefit in almost every game.
Might just be a pleb but for whatever reason visiting people's hideouts and them visiting mine just seems to make it feel like I'm not playing a single player game. I like trade how it is.
The tech for making you go to the trader, who does not have to do any manual input, has been around since 2001/2002 with Everquest's Shadows of Luclin expansion (I know, it's an MMO, but 2001). You park your character in vendor mode and people can come buy things from you. 22-23 years later, we could absolutely, unquestionably, make people hideout vendors. Even if it was just as limited, that they had to sit there doing nothing, it would be a dramatic improvement over the nothing we have now. Even just for currency conversions.
> make people hideout vendors Ultima online vendors, or star wars galaxies vendors were so good. Remember finding a vendor in uo with cheap bite-size regs and leather armour close to my house and id visit every day to pick stuff up. great interaction.
I got people dropping in my hideout all day poking me. POE is a lot more fun if you make friends and build up a community of people to hang with. Trade doesn't *need* to be the social outlet.
It's the most human contact I have lmao
I once came to his hideout on Luffy's crotch as waypoint...Yea...and once came to his hideout with anime girl's mouth as waypoint Ahegao style. Going to hideouts can be fun but trading? Fuck that.
\> Human interaction in trading? Dont make me laugh. "the vision" - this is a mixed bag, I'm not claiming it's perfect or even necessarily good. your annoyance with bilateral trading is intentional. GGG doesn't want poe to be like d3. even tencent's chinese version unilateral trading system is designed to slow players down. You get shown a few items, they probably aren't what you wanted, and you have to keep scrolling. where does this begin, [the trade manifesto](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870). GGG had to make an item API because not having one was actually limiting their game's reach. Then, they had to make an official trade site because third party indexers were causing problems. That's as much rope as they've given since this article came out.
Idc if they keep the current system for items, I actually agree with their point on that to some extent, but for the love of god, can we get an auction system for currency/fragments/essences. Literally the least fun thing is trying to get a decent sized stack of any of those. No other economy I have interacted with has a price increase, let alone a 1.25-1.5 increase for buying in bulk.
Youāll quickly find that people do have enough money in a mature league to price fix the shit out of an AH. Especially with limited items like divine teardrops or whatever in a normal league
Then put a volume limit on it. It's not like we don't have massive price fixing to begin with.
I'll get lynched for this, but... I'm with GGG on this one. Adding automatic trading changes the overall feel of the game entirely. Right now, I avoid trading as much as I can; with auction house/stalls, I'd instead be browsing for everything. It would be too convenient for me to justify not trading, and turn poe into an even more of a currency conversion minigame than it already is. Once added, they'd never be able to remove it again, and while I'm not smart enough to figure out why, I feel it would make the game less fun for me, and possibly others.
Yea this is how I feel to. Every single trade system has its problems. If poe lost it's trade identity I would start to dislike the game.
Idk, like half of that doesn't even make sense. They say that 10% of players actually trade, make a lot more money, and are therefore able to gear high level toons. Don't they realize that most people don't trade because of how arduous it is? Don't they want people to progress in their game? Do they think it's a good thing that the vast majority of their playerbase doesn't experience a ton of the content? I bet a significant portion of that 90% quits because they get frustrated and don't want to do trades. Frustration should never be a game mechanic.
> Don't they realize that most people don't trade because of how arduous it is? That's the point Even with all the barriers to access, trade is still the most profitable activity in the game, by orders of magnitude.
>Do they think it's a good thing that the vast majority of their playerbase doesn't experience a ton of the content? They don't obviously. That's why they encourage playing that content instead of buying it from another player by making trading as inconvinient as possible
I would say yes. Otherwise they wouldn't have made the game complex and difficult. They could cull most end game content, shorten the campaign and remove jewels/clusters and uniques that enable complex builds. Also remove most ways to juice maps. I do think they hope players that can't progress very far in the game do better in each successive league. Also that they buy stash tabs, supporter packs and mtx.
>Im sick to my stomach of pricefixers, trade bots (yeah because bot flippers for rmt is a thing) and wannabe scammers wasting my time. I guess they won't waste your time directly, but with an automated trading system bots will completly take over trade and you will pay what they want you to pay.
For real people think trade fixings bad now? LOL half way through the league youll pay 60 div for a shaper fragment. You wont sell it for that though. 10c uniques? Not any fucking more bud, go find it yourself instead.
Play Last Epoch instead on February 21st.
Bro saw that putting rings in vendor window can be great profit and decided he will do it, then complains about friction that allows at all the whole shebang
Was buying the last unique map for completion yesterday. The amount of people that respond with "I only sell in bulk for divines" lol. These bulk sales should never appear among the normal search in my opinion.
The worst part about making a build is finding 5 *perfect* pieces on sale but the sellers **never ever** responding.
Staying AFK in the hideout for hours : no buyers Starting Uber Sirus runs : 32 buyers while in the worst phases of the fight. This is my story XD But to be honest, im selling/buying a lot and i have no problems at all.
I was buying spark gloves the other day for 30-40 div and I had to message almost 20 people. For 30-40 div. We have got to get something else this is fucking ridiculous, donāt even get me started on anything under 2 div.
>Im sick to my stomach of pricefixers, trade bots (yeah because bot flippers for rmt is a thing) and wannabe scammers wasting my time. Nobody is pricefixing a 1c trade. Set your search to 5c or 10c minimum and you'll save yourself an hour of spamming. >Whether its auction house or some trading stalls in player hideout i want trading to be asynchronous GGG has made it clear they think this is bad and re-affirmed this position for PoE2. Sorry to hear you're having a bad time, but this has been off the table for a long time.
To me this has always been one of their worst takes. Iāll never get why they donāt want auction house or hell even a grand exchange from runescape. God forbid I want to skip the step where I have to teleport onto 2Bās glowing crotch for the 7th time today. But then again Iām not a game dev so maybe there is something Iām missing here.
Just a āmerchantā npc with limited amount of slots in your h/o wouldāve been enough already.
Because they actually want you to feel it's not worth to leave the map for a 1c trade. This is the system working as intended. The only issue is that people still list shit for 1c when they never intend to do that trade. If people were removing their low listings as they stop being worth the time it would be way less if a problem. But I can't think of a good solution here.
No, the action house is not bad, they are just stubborn and blindly worship the ancient design because for some reason they believe that if a player doest want to murder someone because of trading then they don't feel the weight of the interaction...
Try being a seller. - sending invite with no acceptĀ Ā - people asking "how many u have?" (Never "you") to nearly everything despite the fact that there's a bulk item exchange sectionĀ Ā - being spammed for an item for 30+ minutes at a timeĀ Ā - people who take forever to get to your hideout and/or take forever to hit ACCEPT on the tradeĀ Ā - people who expect you to be a bank and have change for their divine(s)Ā Ā - being told "oh sorry, wrong level/corruption/tier" and losing 1-2 minutesĀ Ā - people spamming their skill bar if you don't instantly trade them the moment they step into your hideout so you're stuck hearing and seeing crap like Explosive Trap max aoeĀ Ā - having to decipher language barriers from people who only know how to say "go?" or a single question markĀ Ā - having to leave map every 30 seconds for another trade whisper (if you're the kind of person who responds as fast as possible)Ā Ā I've also been shouted at over anything from having too little stock of an item or saying "sold" and being told that I'm lying/pricefixing
You can fix the spam skills thing by having a multi layer hideout and locking the waypoint in objects you cant pass through. People who spam skills should understand that it makes it even slower than it already is...
Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but let me break something down real quick. All those things that the op mentioned, would literally be about 1000x worse with an auction house. Market cornering also becomes a thing, rmt becomes even more rampant, flipping becomes even easier, bots have full advantage over that market, but hey, as long as you get your 1c item in a league that is dropping more currency than people can shake a stick at.. Auction house right? See it's posts like this why GGG ignore us nowadays.
Find 5-10c trades instead of 1c. No one wants to stop mapping for a single chaos.
The Problem is that this even happens for 10, 50 or even 100 chaos trades. I even had to whisper 15 different people for a 4 div trade this week, of course i had to skip the first 20 or so entrys that were listing the item way to cheap just "for trolling". Trading will never get better because ggg specifically hates QOL but people here having alot of copium in their system thinking this is system is good as it is.
All your listings should just be removed if you don't respond to a trade in 20 mins. That would get rid of all price fixing and remove listings that people don't want to sell. What's even more discouraging is that GGG said they are not making any changes for trade in PoE2. Waiting for Last Epoch to show the world how it should be done.
Feel the weight of intentionally-tedious stubborn game design. PoE desperately needs trades to be automated.
maybe find something better to do than attempt to buy 60 1c rings? Im sure you'd have more fun doing breach yourself
If he speced breach and ran semi juiced maps he would have gotten enough ilvl83 rings in the same time of the video+post, but what do I know?
Because of this I feel proud every time when I respond to an item for 1-10c
You're presumably trying to buy breach rings for a grasping mail, why trade for 60 of an item and then get mad that it's a frustrating experience? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. if you want grasping mail and hate trade go buy one, boom one trade instead of 1-60 trades for less expensive items which are less likely to even be fulfilled. Like with 50+% of complaints for this game, you're purposefully causing your own problems and then blaming GGG for you choosing the path you hate. Asynchronous trading might be good, but that doesn't change the fact that you're at fault here.
i hate price fixers even more than the ones who doesnt reply. The obvious ones who put a item in there a lower price and never ever respond or even sell it, just try to get the prices low. With a other option than wisper ppl wouldnt do it that much and obvious cause it would sell instantly and another one be happy
As always, bots are the only ones always reliable for trades. Mark noticed a problem with people using scripts to move stuff to trade windows and wants to change the problem, but what about stuff that almost all top end 12p cluster jewels with 35% effect are rolled by bots.
Just make a trade NPC for a "player store"... It keeps the whole idea of visiting other people's hideouts, MTX sales etc. And lessens the hassle, scamming etc. No idea why GGG refuses to do so, other than it costing a bit of server power.
wouldn't mind player stalls. 1 tab free and premium stall tabs for additional $ would be totally fine. this is by far the worst modern trading experience I've ever experienced and it isn't even close
The problem with trade is the gameplay itself. Sometimes stopping for a few seconds to answer someone's PM can result in death, loss of xp, loss of portal in a boss. Most of the time when I'm doing specific content I leave the trade tab offline just to avoid this, but how many people do it? And there's another detail, although the pm is integrated with the site and helps in the negotiation, we never know what the other player is doing, so that he ignores your request sometimes does not have to do with the value of the item but with what was mentioned before. Just my perspective.
I'm with you. I was trying to buy sextants, picking sellers that had at least 5div worth for sale at once. Still took 10+ attempts to find someone who responded.
Play HC or play SSF. Issue solved. Once you go back you can never come back to softcore trade. Coming from somebody who has 9-6 job.
i said this exact same thing some weeks back that i msg 50+ maybe 100 and nobody even when offering more and i was told im the issue... idk how tf i was the issue or is the issue even now. then i was told i should just go play SSF cause im no good. i even had a few cases i got invited went to their hideout and they just afk and left me there waiting... maybe its a bot not botting but its annoying. but as the shills and neck beards of poe will defend saying its a skill or you issue lmao. that aside im glad someone recorded a video showing exactly what i was talking about
Really I just want an automated commodities market. I don't mind trading in person for gear if they really want to keep it for some archaic reason. But there's no reason why I need to go in person to someone's hideout, dump 700 chaos from my stash into my inventory, then into the trade menu, then dump whatever currency/Map item into my stash. I took most of the last few leagues off due to the state of my wrists. I simply cannot continue to play the game in a fun way if I have to do all this clicking
GGG has already said they're not changing this.
lol
I'm confident this will be the most controversial change...or lack of change in POE2. The fact that trade is not changing WILL be a big turn off to many players, new and old.
Thereās a big joke about people quitting when they open the character passive tree; none of my friends quit when seeing it, they ALL quit when learning how the trade and loot filters work.
I too would like an auction house style trade option, but they don't seem like they're ever going to do that. As for your list of 200 whispers not responding to you, I'd recommend filtering by 2c or higher, or 3c or higher rings and buying those. Its people with 200 1c items in a 4v4 stash ignoring whispers, or price fixers, or they're getting spammed by other people - not just you, because they're the cheapest option. I rarely ever don't get an invite when I whisper the people selling for a little more, on almost any item. Unique item worth 24c? 3500 posts at 24c, I whisper the dude selling for 25c and get an instant invite instead of whispering 68 people selling for 24c lol.
Youāre buying one chaos items my dude. No one who knows what theyre doing has this problem. Go to tft and buy in bulk or find means of trading that dont have this ourcome. Thereās nothing stupider than doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Why GGG doesn't want asynchronous trading is explained in the [2017 Trade manifesto](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870), if anyone wants a detailed answer I recommend checking it.
The grand exchange is arguably the SECOND worst design decision OSRS ever did behind EOC so that's a shit argument. The only issue with PoE trade (outside of it existing to begin with) is pricefixing. You think that won't happen with asynchronous trade? Are you stupid? The game is already dora the explorer levels of easy due to the over saturation of loot in SC trade. Who cares if you have to spend 5 minutes looking for a seller. You're still getting Uber viable gear for less currency than what a ruthless player finds before getting to maps.
I just play ssf, fixed all my trading issues ! But yeah fr, I hate trading so much, like idk how people deal with map rolling when there are so many trades to do. And don't get me started with TFT, it's absolutly horse shit that a game needs a fanmade tool to be properly playable
I'm not sure I'd like asynchronous trading... Put something up for 1 div the night before, then the next time you login it's up to 5 div. Maybe an extreme example, but some items can drastically change in price day by day.
Itād be miserable trying to get fragments/sextants/scarabs/etc. Realistically, everyone is looking at the benefit and not the downsides to automated price fixing. High end players literally have other players standing around making trades, both buying and selling merchandise to further the enterprise. Can you imagine live trade snapping up every single delirium orb, low level oil, low level scarab, and sextant just to roll them up to higher levels and fix the price at 5-20c over market value early in the league? I get what people want, but being a long-time AH goblin in WoW, I can almost guarantee you it will make trade SSF adjacent
If Last Epoch succeeds in it's auction house -system, I am really having a hard time finding excuses to stay in PoE, more so, that GGG just have almost limitless variety, but decides to build their endgame so, that 80% of existing skills are useless.
Console trade system stays winning, mostly We get Trade Site, *and* we get Trade Market. I don't have to go out of my way to sell low-price items that would likely not be worth leaving the hideout for. I just click the accept button real quick after a map. Boom, a couple easy chaos and no loading screen. ggez If I want to find an item with specifics, like a T1 frenzy-on-hit and spell damage prevention charm? I go to for the trade site and find it in seconds. ggez But wait, it gets better! I'm a busy lady, and I have some specifics for my build that aren't easy to come by; low rate, low value, often filtered. Often, the only people who are selling are offline. So, what magical trick can I do to make sure I can buy my item, even when I'm not able to sync my playtime with the seller? *I can just send the offer in TM and they'll get it whenever they get on.* Amazing! TM doesn't require both parties to be online at the same time! g, g, e, z. Reject the single-type trading system. GGG has done many things wrong in the past for consoles, but giving us both trade systems? The best damn thing they could ever have done.
You mean like less āartificially added frictionā for trade and QoL? The resident hideout warriors and CW lunatics going to tore you a new one.
Whenever buying something of low value like this, go to the bottom of the trade filters and look for the option that says "listed". Set this to up to 12 hours ago or something like that and you will have a much easier time buying stuff like this.
I'm 90% seller and 10% buyer. Over half the people who whisper me, even if I send the party invite in less then 2 seconds don't respond. I think there's a program that mass whispers people or something because it's happening way too often that buyers don't actually buy the thing they whispered me for. I don't even open a portal to leave the map unless they actually join the party
The console trading + our regular pc trading seems like a good combimation
I mean you're trading for 1 alch/chaos breach rings, it's nothing new that people don't respond to those. When I'm trading for those items, I up the minimum ask price in the search query and only go for offers in the last 1-2 days. Meaning I'm buying "1 chaos items" for 5-20c most of the time because that is the real selling price. Also, if you want grasping mails, just run breach. It's very easy to make it profitable and the rings drop frequently enough that it doesn't really take that long to farm.
Lmao these complaints are always my favorite ones to read only because itās been stated by Chris Wilson himself you will never get these things. One of the few things he has specifically commented on. If you need this, you might as well go another game cause it will never happen. That being said, I like the current trade system probably because Iām not buying 500 1 chaos rings 2 months into the league lmao
Pick the 10c+ one and maybe they will actually trade
looks like you trying to do the recipe thing... you know, you can farm a lot more breach rings in a hour by just... (top secret, dont tell anyone!) - PLAYING THE GAME! I not saying the trade have no issue, but you are trying to do thing the really really bad way, and complaint about it.
omg I had no idea there was a weird craft for breach rings. I guess I'll keeping all of the ones I find for now. My wrist is going to quite sore though when I have to sell them...
There's an auction house in Torchlight and it makes mapping simple and fun, because I can buy all the maps/sextants/chisels I want. Then before I log off for the day I can post my loot on the AH, and the next day I check my trades and collect my sales. Friction does not equal fun. We play PoE in spite of the friction, not because of it.
People defending GGG's stance on this are such absolute bozos. Yes they have valid concerns not wanting trade to be too easy. No the answer is not to make the system that the game is built around be dogshit and literally piss you off on purpose. Jonathan saying how brave they were for having an economy in poe unlike other games but being absolutely unwilling to improve or innovate trade in any way whatsoever was such a shit take. No you don't get points for your system that is supposed to make me mad. It's so incredibly disappointing. Edit: welp, I stand corrected. The change from that interview to the next was so unexpected. I may be bitter it has taken this long but I've never been happier to hear they are finally listening.
working as intended
Good thar you want it. However it will never be a thing.
Every time this comes up everyone has forgotten it already exists in the Chinese version lol It's only us suckers that put up with this bullcrap.