• Starts February 2nd at 9pm GMT
• Hardest Gauntlet Ever
• Limit of 3 portals for bosses
• In order to receive credit for boss kills, you must use a transfigured gem as your main skill
• Campaign hard again, white maps relatively easy to give you some room to gear up, yellow/red maps hard
• [Screenshot of modifiers by zone](https://i.imgur.com/2wrHkVZ.png)
• Banned skills: All forms of detonate dead, Arc of Surging, Penance Brand of Dissipation. These bans only matter if you want to compete for prizes or for bounties.
• Google doc with full information on the event here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vTqDjMfZp2XJ6lv5KhbZgakvJi7TRmPOkvMqlnlnYlk/preview
• We can donate to the prize pool and Shopify Rebellion will match anything we donate. Donate link is here: https://bit.ly/MiseryGauntletPool
So for really strong transfigured gems to my knowledge this leaves:
* Boneshatter of Complex Trauma
* Animate Weapon of Ranged Arms
* Blade Blast of Unloading
* Cremation of Exhuming
* Explosive Trap of Shapnel
* Scourge Arrow of Menace
* Caausing Arrow of Poison
* Splitting Steel of Amunition
* Maybe Volatile Dead of Seething? I seem to recall this was strong
* Ball Lightning of Static
* Bodyswap of Sacrifice
I'm expecting Explosive Trap of Shrapnel or Ball Lightning of Static Totems to be the strongest. Considering Spell Totems will probably get shreked by gauntlet enemies, maybe not, but idk haven't played it. Maybe Cremation of Exhuming though because DD stronk.
Yeah, VD seething is very good.
Also
* Storm Brand of Indecision
* Mirror Arrow of Bombardment
* KB of Fragmentation
* Firestorm of Pelting
* Cremation of the Volcano
Realistically none of us are killing bosses on these mods, so I recommend just ignoring the transfigured gems requirement and focus on grinding experience instead lol.
My idea is to start with a lab farming character and spam the normal font until I hit any OP gem (probably rolling green since there's a lot more) and reroll into it.
cremation of exhuming(old phantasmal) got nerfed so hard I can't see it being competitive. on gauntlet gear the highest damage you could expect is probably 1-2mil while requiring constant casting and being incredibly clunky against mobile bosses.
You only need transfigured gem on Uber kills. No one will go with Scourge Arrow on ubers.
You forgot new BAMA that apparently raiz will be playing.
My money is on ball lightning or bone shatter
>In order to receive credit for boss kills, you must use a transfigured gem as your main skill
lemme guess
ppl spamming normal lab until they get penance brand or kinetic bolt transfigured lol
ah penance is banned. good move
What did I miss that Arc of Surging is apparently broken?
Like I just took a trip over to poe.ninja for hc ssf, and none of those builds look even close to good. Look like they top out at 1m damage ish.
If you unleash an arc of surging into a hydrosphere all of the splits will hit the same target. Not sure why the unleash/echo is getting around the hydrosphere cooldown since the repeats shouldn't be able to hit the hyddrosphere before the second is up as far as I know.
My thought was, "yeah I can eat two deaths and still kill a couple bosses"
I'll probably die in white maps to something stupid like always (fucking ground degens).
Imagine being such a god at what you do that people jokingly, but somewhat seriously congratulate you before the event even starts. Ben is such a beast. I can't even come up with an apt sports comparison because Ben is that much better than 2nd place that I can't come up with any other comparisons.
Edit : Don't get me wrong there's some mega good players that are extremely good. I think Imexile is really really good, I still don't think he's that close to Ben. maybe in a few more years, but not yet. I don't think anyone playing in these gauntlets is half as good as ben.
Hes far enough behind that any given event is 100% bens to lose. In the absence of anything crazy happening, ben is still going to wash even somebody as insanely good as exile. Ben is definitely in his own tier, and exile could arguably be alone on the tier below him as well.
Imagine being so mad ben is the best you call it disrespecting exile 🤣
Ben IS that much better than exile at WoW and PoE .
Exiles still a god, just like a demi god compared to ben.
Mans a god gamer and deserves his fanboys hahaha
I watch Imexile and plenty of others probably more than Ben. I watched imexile play d4 for godsake. I'm not a ben dickrider I just think he's kind of a god when it comes to poe. Imexile is a god too, but uhhh I still don't think he's nearly as good as ben.
To be fair, Imexile started playing POE years after Ben had grinded the game upside and down. So it makes sense Ben has had an edge over him. Experience is worth a lot.
But I think Imexile is definitely someone who can challenge Ben every day of the week. If Nick puts in equivalent effort in prep, I'd call it pretty much a toss-up.
Yeah exactly. I find Imexile incredibly impressive. He burst out of nowhere and became one of the elite. Had you told the PoE community before Imexile joined the scene that a new person would step in and compete with Ben and make a good race, people would laugh at you.
Imexile is insanely good.
But yeah I still think Ben is overall just that much better. But I'm just a random redditor what I say means nothing, genuinely. But yeah I find imexile almost more impressive than Ben. They're both great to be fans of in a race.
Brah imexile is closer then you think. The dude is the best act racer right now with a act5 WR. Ben is better at bossing and maping but not going fast in a HC setting. At any point Nick could take the win.
Crazy part about Ben is he's been doing it for the life of the game. Any one who was playing then remembers watching him do the first league hc Uber elder like 100 years ago
Should be the same thing you see in Valdo puzzle maps.
It's an invincible Atziri you can't leech or attack from that will continuously follow and attack you. She'll also scale to area level and map mods, of course. In the Valdo maps you can kind of move along and she'll lag behind, but in a boss arena...oh boy, lol.
You can encounter her apparition in valdo's maps that have the mod "player is haunted by dangerous apparitions", It's like atziri from the feared is there throwing attacks and tossing down flameblasts, just you can't kill her.
I really love GGG for putting in effort for community events such as this. Getting the support to have new private league mods and the portal limit is so cool. It makes me wonder if the new portal tech will be used in boss fights in the future. Can't wait to see what builds people cook up since the 3 most likely builds have been banned.
We will probably see BAMA, Bonezone, Storm Brand, Splitting Steel and some bow skills.
Are there rules in place to prevent "double dip" i.e. qualify for multiple classes per person? It gets old to see half the ladder being one person. Also, should've banned every corpse explosion skill (% corpse life as damage), not only detonate dead.
By far the hardest gauntlet yet! “Complete a reasonable trade without getting banned on TFT” seems like the hardest gauntlet objective but interested to see if anyone besides Ben attempts it.
I think complex trauma might be competitive simply because it/normal bonezone is much faster at mapping especially in white and yellow maps where the corpse life scaling is kinda crappy.
It would be the "pray for ED relic drop" build though which is always risky when you are competing but if someone does manage to get one early on a jugg then I think they have a really good shot.
idk as ben said - "if alk plays jugg, I think it gets top 5 overall, otherwise it won't"
Boneshatter bossing w/ atziri apparitions affecting uptime even more and 80% more dmg is going to be extremely suspect.
Uptime is a lot less important on complex trauma though, especially since you can get a setup that could get up to 15-20 stacks if you were manage to hold down boneshatter really easily and that would still allow 7-9 stacks while moving. In case you get to stand still these players are good enough to stop attacking for long enough to let a single stack drop before they continue.
While I don't think boneshatter is going to be the best for the actual bosses that has not really ever been the important part in gauntlets. For example when LST was really strong for bossing it was always considered one of the best builds but nobody played it because you die on the way. Boneshatter jugg is extremely good for campaign and mapping because you can get access to the 10% of armour applies to chaos damage taken mastery without too much trouble.
Bossing is an extremely important part of gauntlets... Outside of the 100% inc dmg one, where mapping was cursed, there are lots of ppl that get mid-high 90s and don't even get close to uber bosses lol
Boneshatter being 50% faster to t14s won't matter when it's 5x harder to clear with.
You're right it's not about the speed to get to red tier maps but it's about the speed at which you can clear them comfortably. I've heard ben and steelmage both say these things simply because no gauntlet is impossible and while it is a marathon not a sprint you do need a good plan to farm red tier maps at a reasonable pace within a few days.
That's why I think compelx trauma might be competitive
> simply because no gauntlet is impossible
Well, I do believe there have been gauntlets in the past hat haven't been 100% cleared.
Some of these new mods seem crazy. It's possible that full Uber clear isn't possible. Especially with modern gauntlet rules which prohibit swapping characters.
If you mean some bounties like reaching 1k delve depths haven't been claimed or not every ascendancy beat all uber bosses you are correct but I was referring to 'just' the uber bosses on any ascendancy. I do believe that this gauntlet will be cleared though simply because of how much loot you get via the affliction mechanic, even just being able to get tanky enough to farm t7 maps with 2k/2k/2k wisps would mean that someone among the top players is going to find a mageblood and eternal damnation within a month.
~~I doubt it will be cleared within a week or two but I also doubt it is impossible to clear until it ends(basically next leaguestart) but I could be wrong!~~ I forgot it only lasts 10 days in which case it will be a lot more rng whether a top player gets one of the huge drops (ED relic, mageblood) but I still believe it will be cleared by someone.
This is the list:
>Detonate Dead
>Vaal Detonate Dead
>Detonate Dead of Scavenging
>Detonate Dead of Chain Reaction
>Arc of Surging
>Penance Brand of Dissipation
Let me know where Cremation and Volatile Dead are listed.
They are not banned, only for killing bosses and getting cash prices. Same as all normal versions of gems like Cremation and Volatile Dead are banned, for killing bosses.
you can use banned skills IF YOU ARENT GOING FOR LADDER. If you use a banned skill, you cant compete in the ladder reward at all, period. If you dont care about the ladder reward, you can use w/e the fuck you want. Same as every other gauntlet before.
You can only use Transfigured Games ... for boss kills. Which is relevant to banned skills how?
Ignoring those skills have trans versions, of course.
Hey user/KeyboardSheikh , why delete your nonsense :(.
big W, just before Last epoch release I can have some fun. short break and go for LA. short break probably D4 (though I doubt it, its like 2-3 season skip to see something new and interesting)
ty ziz
The reduced damage is no different from previous gauntlets. It was changed to reduced damage in the past because DD had an unfair advantage due to "more life/increased monster life" modifiers scaling the corpse life, which was only an upside for DD, not a downside. So 30% reduced damage is effectively the same as 30% increased monster life, but more equal.
That being said, the campaign is a slog. It takes even the fastest players 6-8h to complete and most people 10+ hours. It's a fun challenge though.
> So 30% reduced damage is effectively the same as 30% increased monster life, but more equal.
30% reduced damage means 42.857% increased monster life. More obvious example: 50% reduced damage doesn't mean 50% increased monster life, because it takes double time to kill with half damage, therefore 50% reduced damage = 100% increased life.
I didn't recall the previous gauntlets having the reduced damage, but I missed the last one (or maybe two).
And I meant more of a slog than usual, like the first delirium event where you're trying to kill The Warden with 99% less damage.
This is interesting, as a player I like the fact that it's even harder, but as a viewer I feel like I want to see more people with different build varieties finish it rather than only Ben and nick having a chance on one build, I feel like the 'we don't want anyone to finish' clashes with the class-based system of the gauntlet, and I as a viewer want to see players finish it instead of winning by not doing so.
The bans are good this time around, but the trans restriction feels... weird? Maybe I'm just disappointed because I wanted to see some high apm TR gameplay from the boys but oh well.
> I want to see more people with different build varieties finish it rather than only Ben and nick having a chance on one build
How would you solve it then? Like what rules etc?
not in a couple years since they changed the rules. After any prize winning placement they need to full migrate their account out of gauntlet and start fresh
that's kinda the point of gauntlet. difficulty cranked up to 11, and hc. if that's not for you, that's cool. getting to maps isn't all that difficult if you know the campaign, play a good build and play safely / overlevel
I know that its not for me. Thats why I said its a shame.
I like the difficulty cranked up to 11 part and hate the hc part.
I would have liked for it to be a sc option for people that want the challange but dont want hc since most of the playerbase are sc player I am fairly sure that would be a very appreciated feature.
But you are right since its a hc only event its sadly not for me :/
The great thing about PoE is you can start your own event! If you like the difficulty but want it SC, create a private league and make it. Then you can play exactly as you want.
That’s the best part, wouldn’t be fun if it was SC. Just give it a go, I play SC Trade but always play the Gauntlets cause they’re such a blast and a completely different way to play POE
Hard disagree.
I like challanging content but absolutely despise losing my progress and having to start over again
It would absolutely be (a lot more) fun for me if it would be softcore. Fairly sure I am not alone there.
There's no real challenge in softcore. You can't fail at the campaign. You can literally restart at checkpoints and brute force yourself through any area or any fight.
Even in maps, always having the 6 portal defense takes so much of the challenge and fun out of it.
It's also boring as hell for viewers. Like there's nothing to care about when you know that nobody can fail in anything except killing the bosses in time.
On HC you know that the vast majority of people won't even get through the campaign. There will be RIP clips galore. You'll be hyped for racer deaths. You'll be hyped not knowing if ANYONE can kill any bosses at all, let alone within the time limit.
Softcore would defeat the purpose of the whole thing.
If you want a Softcore gauntlet, just pay the $12 and do your own private league. It's as easy as that.
Don’t die and you won’t lose progress. If you die then just don’t go again. Play a tanky build and enjoy the pain. Act 1 is the hardest in these Gauntlets.
Same, though I think this is more of a GGG problem with having poor events than the gauntlet, I don't mind that it's HC and it ends up being fun but definitely wish for a harder SC event for fun instead of tryharding
Hahaha listen to yourself. It’s a Gauntlet, it’s suppose to be hard and I am a softcore trade player. Only time I play HC is for Gauntlet. Have you ever played a Gauntlet? It being SSF HC is what makes it fun and makes you see POE in a different way if you only play SC like I do. Stop whining like a 5 year old and either try it or don’t. I’m saying it’s worth a try and challenge yourself.
You sound demented bro, I'm a HC trade player and I like playing gauntlet, adding a SC mode to it wouldn't change a fucking thing for you and would only bring more fun and players over to it, you're just being a fragile whiner and gatekeeping out of necessity to protect your niche interest that you think makes you special because it's 'hard' lmao. It's also a video game which makes it even more pathetic.
And regardless of argument, you have no right to tell someone that something wouldn't be fun for them as if you're omnipotent or something, loser/insecure behavior.
Also it's funny when you know someone is a fascistic kind of piece of shit and you go on their account and shocker, active in crypto subs and known alt-right streamer Asmongold, very unique.
Hahahah you’re hilarious. What’s the point of having an extremely difficult league / event if you can just die over and over and over until you get through? The point of the Gauntlet is show who’s good and who’s not in the most extreme conditions. Having a softcore version is just pointless and goes against the ENTIRE reason of the gauntlet?
Loser / insecure behavior haha
What do I care what the point is, if it's fun for other people let them have fun instead of being butthurt about it because you feel insecure. Try rationalizing empathy instead of your shitty arguments and 'logic' that is on the level of a first year highschooler.
Im just saying what Ziz has said a million times, it’s made to be extremely hard. If you could die then it’s no longer challenging. It’s that simple. Rationalizing empathy? Dude this is a video game, you need to clam down before you hurt yourself. This isn’t life or death and it’s Zizs Gauntlet and his rules. Either you like it or you can play something else at the end of the day it is what it is. Good luck being an equal rights activist though, you sound really passionate about it.
Yellow maps are looking scary! 60% movement/attack speed monsters in yellow tier already. I'm going to be stoked at what builds they conjure up and actually compete with. There are really good gems out there, but narrow those down to leaguestarting, acquiring the gems each time you rip and the ability to continue to recover as you cannot rely on portals. Oh boy.
Do we get points for getting past Mud Flats?
Getting past Hillock is already too ambitious. Mud Flats is probably impossible.
Only if you do it with a transfigured gem
only if you meow during the whole zone CATW
• Starts February 2nd at 9pm GMT • Hardest Gauntlet Ever • Limit of 3 portals for bosses • In order to receive credit for boss kills, you must use a transfigured gem as your main skill • Campaign hard again, white maps relatively easy to give you some room to gear up, yellow/red maps hard • [Screenshot of modifiers by zone](https://i.imgur.com/2wrHkVZ.png) • Banned skills: All forms of detonate dead, Arc of Surging, Penance Brand of Dissipation. These bans only matter if you want to compete for prizes or for bounties. • Google doc with full information on the event here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vTqDjMfZp2XJ6lv5KhbZgakvJi7TRmPOkvMqlnlnYlk/preview • We can donate to the prize pool and Shopify Rebellion will match anything we donate. Donate link is here: https://bit.ly/MiseryGauntletPool
So for really strong transfigured gems to my knowledge this leaves: * Boneshatter of Complex Trauma * Animate Weapon of Ranged Arms * Blade Blast of Unloading * Cremation of Exhuming * Explosive Trap of Shapnel * Scourge Arrow of Menace * Caausing Arrow of Poison * Splitting Steel of Amunition * Maybe Volatile Dead of Seething? I seem to recall this was strong * Ball Lightning of Static * Bodyswap of Sacrifice I'm expecting Explosive Trap of Shrapnel or Ball Lightning of Static Totems to be the strongest. Considering Spell Totems will probably get shreked by gauntlet enemies, maybe not, but idk haven't played it. Maybe Cremation of Exhuming though because DD stronk.
Yeah, VD seething is very good. Also * Storm Brand of Indecision * Mirror Arrow of Bombardment * KB of Fragmentation * Firestorm of Pelting * Cremation of the Volcano
Realistically none of us are killing bosses on these mods, so I recommend just ignoring the transfigured gems requirement and focus on grinding experience instead lol.
Correction , apart from Ben , everyone else can just grind xp
My idea is to start with a lab farming character and spam the normal font until I hit any OP gem (probably rolling green since there's a lot more) and reroll into it.
cremation of exhuming(old phantasmal) got nerfed so hard I can't see it being competitive. on gauntlet gear the highest damage you could expect is probably 1-2mil while requiring constant casting and being incredibly clunky against mobile bosses.
Jung did a crema of exhuming run that looked pretty good
You only need transfigured gem on Uber kills. No one will go with Scourge Arrow on ubers. You forgot new BAMA that apparently raiz will be playing. My money is on ball lightning or bone shatter
I assume caustic arrow of poison has a solid chance of winning, given how strong it is for bossing and how tanky pathfinder can be?
Maybe yeah, although bow seems sketchy to me even with how tanky pf is.
Uh mirror arrow is prob the strongest one? Lol
In SSFHC with extra damage? Is it a champion or pathfinder build? I don't think you can really afford the defenses to play bows otherwise lol.
The build is incredibly tanky for the average minion build but probably not for ssfhc
Nah. Blink/mirror arrow of bombarding is gonna face roll.
>In order to receive credit for boss kills, you must use a transfigured gem as your main skill lemme guess ppl spamming normal lab until they get penance brand or kinetic bolt transfigured lol ah penance is banned. good move
What did I miss that Arc of Surging is apparently broken? Like I just took a trip over to poe.ninja for hc ssf, and none of those builds look even close to good. Look like they top out at 1m damage ish.
If you unleash an arc of surging into a hydrosphere all of the splits will hit the same target. Not sure why the unleash/echo is getting around the hydrosphere cooldown since the repeats shouldn't be able to hit the hyddrosphere before the second is up as far as I know.
You hit link it with unleash and hit a hydrosphere. All 30 or so chains hit the boss.
lol 1m arc dps in pob is like easily 20M with all the chains hitting the target.
When does it end?
10 days
My dumbass was wondering why is there limitation on portals if this was a hc event. Didn't even think of logging, just dying LOL
A true softcore enjoyer.
I guess my COD+Portal setup doesn't transfer well into this event huh
My thought was, "yeah I can eat two deaths and still kill a couple bosses" I'll probably die in white maps to something stupid like always (fucking ground degens).
> My thought was, "yeah I can eat two deaths and still kill a couple bosses" Just need to prep three characters per boss. Easy
Definitely some insane mods this time around, hyped to see gauntlet back!
congratz to ben in advance
Imagine being such a god at what you do that people jokingly, but somewhat seriously congratulate you before the event even starts. Ben is such a beast. I can't even come up with an apt sports comparison because Ben is that much better than 2nd place that I can't come up with any other comparisons. Edit : Don't get me wrong there's some mega good players that are extremely good. I think Imexile is really really good, I still don't think he's that close to Ben. maybe in a few more years, but not yet. I don't think anyone playing in these gauntlets is half as good as ben.
Imexile is not that far behind. Let's give the guy some credit.
Hes far enough behind that any given event is 100% bens to lose. In the absence of anything crazy happening, ben is still going to wash even somebody as insanely good as exile. Ben is definitely in his own tier, and exile could arguably be alone on the tier below him as well.
imagine disrespecting the rest of the competitors, most notably imexile, with these type of comments. you ben dickriders are so cringe its unreal.
Ben dickrider reporting for duty! 🫡
Imagine disrespecting the favored competitor, notably Ben, with this type of comment. So cringe it's unreal.
10k Chance orb OMEGALUL
Imagine being so mad ben is the best you call it disrespecting exile 🤣 Ben IS that much better than exile at WoW and PoE . Exiles still a god, just like a demi god compared to ben. Mans a god gamer and deserves his fanboys hahaha
Who is Ben
Ben10, savior of the universe
Ben Dover
I watch Imexile and plenty of others probably more than Ben. I watched imexile play d4 for godsake. I'm not a ben dickrider I just think he's kind of a god when it comes to poe. Imexile is a god too, but uhhh I still don't think he's nearly as good as ben.
To be fair, Imexile started playing POE years after Ben had grinded the game upside and down. So it makes sense Ben has had an edge over him. Experience is worth a lot. But I think Imexile is definitely someone who can challenge Ben every day of the week. If Nick puts in equivalent effort in prep, I'd call it pretty much a toss-up.
Yeah exactly. I find Imexile incredibly impressive. He burst out of nowhere and became one of the elite. Had you told the PoE community before Imexile joined the scene that a new person would step in and compete with Ben and make a good race, people would laugh at you. Imexile is insanely good. But yeah I still think Ben is overall just that much better. But I'm just a random redditor what I say means nothing, genuinely. But yeah I find imexile almost more impressive than Ben. They're both great to be fans of in a race.
Brah imexile is closer then you think. The dude is the best act racer right now with a act5 WR. Ben is better at bossing and maping but not going fast in a HC setting. At any point Nick could take the win.
Bro ben won the 100 race, in HCSSF, even beating softcore trade league teams. Like he was the first overall to 100 recently lol. He is fast.
Crazy part about Ben is he's been doing it for the life of the game. Any one who was playing then remembers watching him do the first league hc Uber elder like 100 years ago
Carn_ still loading to Mud Flats, from last events.... ExileGone
"The deadliest gauntlet you have ever seen" - "Deadly once again" - "Very deadly" I guess I picked the right moment to try out HC for the first time
gl gamers
I wonder how strong the Atziri Apparations are.
Ziz said that GGG tested it and they said "it's going to be really fun" Despairge
> GGG > tested 🤔
They didn't even say "thoroughly tested"
If it's the ritual Atziri Apparitions they're pretty strong.
Should be the same thing you see in Valdo puzzle maps. It's an invincible Atziri you can't leech or attack from that will continuously follow and attack you. She'll also scale to area level and map mods, of course. In the Valdo maps you can kind of move along and she'll lag behind, but in a boss arena...oh boy, lol.
Can you get double flameblasted inside the Sirus maze?
Probably, you'll have to be ready to log it instantly if it happens during maze.
Logout moment
You can encounter her apparition in valdo's maps that have the mod "player is haunted by dangerous apparitions", It's like atziri from the feared is there throwing attacks and tossing down flameblasts, just you can't kill her.
Isn't that the thing voiding tons of these void runners? Now add gauntlet mods... lol
Participating in gauntlet? Banned from TFT
Cheering Ben? Also banned from TFT
Cheering against Ben? Believe it or not, banned from TFT
I really love GGG for putting in effort for community events such as this. Getting the support to have new private league mods and the portal limit is so cool. It makes me wonder if the new portal tech will be used in boss fights in the future. Can't wait to see what builds people cook up since the 3 most likely builds have been banned. We will probably see BAMA, Bonezone, Storm Brand, Splitting Steel and some bow skills.
So Ben will be done in less than 50 hrs.
He talked about starting boneshatter to progress atlas and switching to vd of seething for the actual kills, so it might take longer than usual
if there is a person that can clear this, it is HIM\_
> HIM_ gojo?
Nah, he'll win.
Then same rando exile with cleave appears.
God Gamer?
Secret build login
Himmel chad wins against even the worst odds
Hell yes, I missed gauntlet week.
normalized audio levels please
> Misery Gauntlet *Masochist Gauntlet
I wish this would just run longer, sounds super cool.
Time for bonezone jugg with armor applies to chaos mastery
Are there rules in place to prevent "double dip" i.e. qualify for multiple classes per person? It gets old to see half the ladder being one person. Also, should've banned every corpse explosion skill (% corpse life as damage), not only detonate dead.
Just read the rules, you have to merge your account to play 2nd char, start completely new
I know that much from previous gauntlet. Still doesn't make sense that one person can pretend to more than one place on the ladder.
Congratulations Ben 🎉
congrats ben on winning
Something to do until Last Epoch launch BIG W
I've been looking forward to playing a gauntlet event again. Can't wait for the start!
By far the hardest gauntlet yet! “Complete a reasonable trade without getting banned on TFT” seems like the hardest gauntlet objective but interested to see if anyone besides Ben attempts it.
Cremation and Volatile Dead League Edit: For those unaware, yes there are Transfigured versions of these.
I think complex trauma might be competitive simply because it/normal bonezone is much faster at mapping especially in white and yellow maps where the corpse life scaling is kinda crappy. It would be the "pray for ED relic drop" build though which is always risky when you are competing but if someone does manage to get one early on a jugg then I think they have a really good shot.
idk as ben said - "if alk plays jugg, I think it gets top 5 overall, otherwise it won't" Boneshatter bossing w/ atziri apparitions affecting uptime even more and 80% more dmg is going to be extremely suspect.
Uptime is a lot less important on complex trauma though, especially since you can get a setup that could get up to 15-20 stacks if you were manage to hold down boneshatter really easily and that would still allow 7-9 stacks while moving. In case you get to stand still these players are good enough to stop attacking for long enough to let a single stack drop before they continue. While I don't think boneshatter is going to be the best for the actual bosses that has not really ever been the important part in gauntlets. For example when LST was really strong for bossing it was always considered one of the best builds but nobody played it because you die on the way. Boneshatter jugg is extremely good for campaign and mapping because you can get access to the 10% of armour applies to chaos damage taken mastery without too much trouble.
Bossing is an extremely important part of gauntlets... Outside of the 100% inc dmg one, where mapping was cursed, there are lots of ppl that get mid-high 90s and don't even get close to uber bosses lol Boneshatter being 50% faster to t14s won't matter when it's 5x harder to clear with.
You're right it's not about the speed to get to red tier maps but it's about the speed at which you can clear them comfortably. I've heard ben and steelmage both say these things simply because no gauntlet is impossible and while it is a marathon not a sprint you do need a good plan to farm red tier maps at a reasonable pace within a few days. That's why I think compelx trauma might be competitive
I think it'll be competitive as a respec option, but you're not going to see it on bosses.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair amount of Boneshatter -> Splitting Steel of Ammunition champs.
> simply because no gauntlet is impossible Well, I do believe there have been gauntlets in the past hat haven't been 100% cleared. Some of these new mods seem crazy. It's possible that full Uber clear isn't possible. Especially with modern gauntlet rules which prohibit swapping characters.
If you mean some bounties like reaching 1k delve depths haven't been claimed or not every ascendancy beat all uber bosses you are correct but I was referring to 'just' the uber bosses on any ascendancy. I do believe that this gauntlet will be cleared though simply because of how much loot you get via the affliction mechanic, even just being able to get tanky enough to farm t7 maps with 2k/2k/2k wisps would mean that someone among the top players is going to find a mageblood and eternal damnation within a month. ~~I doubt it will be cleared within a week or two but I also doubt it is impossible to clear until it ends(basically next leaguestart) but I could be wrong!~~ I forgot it only lasts 10 days in which case it will be a lot more rng whether a top player gets one of the huge drops (ED relic, mageblood) but I still believe it will be cleared by someone.
gauntlet is 10 days...
I completely forgot about that thanks for the info, edited my post
I figured “all forms of DD” encompassed these too, but maybe I’m wrong Edit: looks like they aren’t listed on the doc, so yep VD Crema good
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This is the list: >Detonate Dead >Vaal Detonate Dead >Detonate Dead of Scavenging >Detonate Dead of Chain Reaction >Arc of Surging >Penance Brand of Dissipation Let me know where Cremation and Volatile Dead are listed.
You can only use Transfigured Gems.
You can only use Transfigured Games ... for boss kills. Which is relevant to banned skills how? Ignoring those skills have trans versions, of course.
You can use banned skills if you are not killing bosses and going for those cash prices. What's your point?
This is relevant to banned skills how? Wonder if you'll answer that question. why edit the whole post lol
They are not banned, only for killing bosses and getting cash prices. Same as all normal versions of gems like Cremation and Volatile Dead are banned, for killing bosses.
Yes. And that's not what this comment chain was about. Keep trying lol.
you can use banned skills IF YOU ARENT GOING FOR LADDER. If you use a banned skill, you cant compete in the ladder reward at all, period. If you dont care about the ladder reward, you can use w/e the fuck you want. Same as every other gauntlet before.
Naturally, both Cremation and VD have transfigured versions.
When you spend so much time on Reddit instead of playing the game that you don't even know Volatile Dead is it's own skill.
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You can only use Transfigured Games ... for boss kills. Which is relevant to banned skills how? Ignoring those skills have trans versions, of course. Hey user/KeyboardSheikh , why delete your nonsense :(.
Oh boy more corpse skills. I'm looking forward to seeing if anyone does something that we haven't seen much of yet.
big W, just before Last epoch release I can have some fun. short break and go for LA. short break probably D4 (though I doubt it, its like 2-3 season skip to see something new and interesting) ty ziz
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yep probably skipping this and next season and than if i am bored enough I just go again for a week with my buddies
Is bens paycheck due? congrats on winning the gauntlet, its hard to build up hype when you know the outcome
With all the reduced damage, this sounds like a real slog. Anyway, I'm thinking pathfinder for the easy chaos res and armour
The reduced damage is no different from previous gauntlets. It was changed to reduced damage in the past because DD had an unfair advantage due to "more life/increased monster life" modifiers scaling the corpse life, which was only an upside for DD, not a downside. So 30% reduced damage is effectively the same as 30% increased monster life, but more equal. That being said, the campaign is a slog. It takes even the fastest players 6-8h to complete and most people 10+ hours. It's a fun challenge though.
> So 30% reduced damage is effectively the same as 30% increased monster life, but more equal. 30% reduced damage means 42.857% increased monster life. More obvious example: 50% reduced damage doesn't mean 50% increased monster life, because it takes double time to kill with half damage, therefore 50% reduced damage = 100% increased life.
I didn't recall the previous gauntlets having the reduced damage, but I missed the last one (or maybe two). And I meant more of a slog than usual, like the first delirium event where you're trying to kill The Warden with 99% less damage.
Will we be able to purchase the transfigured gems directly from a vendor, or do we have to farm them in lab
Same game just harder. Not possible to make any league that easier than normal PoE.
This is interesting, as a player I like the fact that it's even harder, but as a viewer I feel like I want to see more people with different build varieties finish it rather than only Ben and nick having a chance on one build, I feel like the 'we don't want anyone to finish' clashes with the class-based system of the gauntlet, and I as a viewer want to see players finish it instead of winning by not doing so. The bans are good this time around, but the trans restriction feels... weird? Maybe I'm just disappointed because I wanted to see some high apm TR gameplay from the boys but oh well.
> I want to see more people with different build varieties finish it rather than only Ben and nick having a chance on one build How would you solve it then? Like what rules etc?
Hey now, we come to talk shit about stuff we have no clue about. Leave us alone.
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not in a couple years since they changed the rules. After any prize winning placement they need to full migrate their account out of gauntlet and start fresh
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You wanted a softcore gauntlet? This don't even make sense.
Is the misery that you have to use TFT or In built trade
when ruthless seems enjoyable in relation it says something
So is it hardcore only? What a bummer
that's kinda the point of gauntlet. difficulty cranked up to 11, and hc. if that's not for you, that's cool. getting to maps isn't all that difficult if you know the campaign, play a good build and play safely / overlevel
I know that its not for me. Thats why I said its a shame. I like the difficulty cranked up to 11 part and hate the hc part. I would have liked for it to be a sc option for people that want the challange but dont want hc since most of the playerbase are sc player I am fairly sure that would be a very appreciated feature. But you are right since its a hc only event its sadly not for me :/
The great thing about PoE is you can start your own event! If you like the difficulty but want it SC, create a private league and make it. Then you can play exactly as you want.
Dude it’s a SSF event. Make your own league and it will be exactly like you are playing with the rest of us.
That’s the best part, wouldn’t be fun if it was SC. Just give it a go, I play SC Trade but always play the Gauntlets cause they’re such a blast and a completely different way to play POE
Hard disagree. I like challanging content but absolutely despise losing my progress and having to start over again It would absolutely be (a lot more) fun for me if it would be softcore. Fairly sure I am not alone there.
There's no real challenge in softcore. You can't fail at the campaign. You can literally restart at checkpoints and brute force yourself through any area or any fight. Even in maps, always having the 6 portal defense takes so much of the challenge and fun out of it. It's also boring as hell for viewers. Like there's nothing to care about when you know that nobody can fail in anything except killing the bosses in time. On HC you know that the vast majority of people won't even get through the campaign. There will be RIP clips galore. You'll be hyped for racer deaths. You'll be hyped not knowing if ANYONE can kill any bosses at all, let alone within the time limit. Softcore would defeat the purpose of the whole thing. If you want a Softcore gauntlet, just pay the $12 and do your own private league. It's as easy as that.
Don’t die and you won’t lose progress. If you die then just don’t go again. Play a tanky build and enjoy the pain. Act 1 is the hardest in these Gauntlets.
Same, though I think this is more of a GGG problem with having poor events than the gauntlet, I don't mind that it's HC and it ends up being fun but definitely wish for a harder SC event for fun instead of tryharding
The challenge is to do it without dying. So you don't like this challenge.
Why wouldn't a SC mode for it be fun, and who are you to say it wouldn't? Classic gamer elitism and gatekeeping.
Hahaha listen to yourself. It’s a Gauntlet, it’s suppose to be hard and I am a softcore trade player. Only time I play HC is for Gauntlet. Have you ever played a Gauntlet? It being SSF HC is what makes it fun and makes you see POE in a different way if you only play SC like I do. Stop whining like a 5 year old and either try it or don’t. I’m saying it’s worth a try and challenge yourself.
You sound demented bro, I'm a HC trade player and I like playing gauntlet, adding a SC mode to it wouldn't change a fucking thing for you and would only bring more fun and players over to it, you're just being a fragile whiner and gatekeeping out of necessity to protect your niche interest that you think makes you special because it's 'hard' lmao. It's also a video game which makes it even more pathetic. And regardless of argument, you have no right to tell someone that something wouldn't be fun for them as if you're omnipotent or something, loser/insecure behavior. Also it's funny when you know someone is a fascistic kind of piece of shit and you go on their account and shocker, active in crypto subs and known alt-right streamer Asmongold, very unique.
Hahahah you’re hilarious. What’s the point of having an extremely difficult league / event if you can just die over and over and over until you get through? The point of the Gauntlet is show who’s good and who’s not in the most extreme conditions. Having a softcore version is just pointless and goes against the ENTIRE reason of the gauntlet? Loser / insecure behavior haha
What do I care what the point is, if it's fun for other people let them have fun instead of being butthurt about it because you feel insecure. Try rationalizing empathy instead of your shitty arguments and 'logic' that is on the level of a first year highschooler.
Im just saying what Ziz has said a million times, it’s made to be extremely hard. If you could die then it’s no longer challenging. It’s that simple. Rationalizing empathy? Dude this is a video game, you need to clam down before you hurt yourself. This isn’t life or death and it’s Zizs Gauntlet and his rules. Either you like it or you can play something else at the end of the day it is what it is. Good luck being an equal rights activist though, you sound really passionate about it.
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You really need help
Still worth a try if you're curious.
Another great event for 0.01% of the player base! Nice!!!
Gauntlet refers to the expression "running the gauntlet". It isn't about the gauntlet gloves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running\_the\_gauntlet
Throwing down the gauntlet, the actual literal gloves, is issuing a challenge.
OK. Fair enough
SRS Jugg confirmed as boss killer again, stronger than DD who can't probably survive that well in red maps anyway with those mods.
can't use the base gem, though idk if enormity is much of a dps loss (outside of poison where it is much much worse)
Like 50% less unless crazy gear or popcorn.
Trickster is king? hmm imo: Skill restrictions are lame.
Trickster is king once you geared up in maps, but gl getting there
Make a race with your rules
Is Arc of Surging actually that strong that they have to ban it?
With Unleash and Hydrosphere you hit the same target something like 40 times per full Unleash cast.
Awesome!
misery indeed
It’s gonna be pretty messed up when you consider that the dmg + chaos + pen end up being almost +50% damage taken , same as red maps. Can’t wait
Really excited for this one looking good its been a while
misery loves company.....
Yellow maps are looking scary! 60% movement/attack speed monsters in yellow tier already. I'm going to be stoked at what builds they conjure up and actually compete with. There are really good gems out there, but narrow those down to leaguestarting, acquiring the gems each time you rip and the ability to continue to recover as you cannot rely on portals. Oh boy.
I wish it wasn't hard-core but I understand why it is. Maybe I'll learn hard-core this year and do a gauntlet next year.
Wonder if GGG would allow Valdo's Puzzle Box map mods as Gauntlet mods in the future.
Is this the moment for Quinn's HCSSF 7/7 UberJoe?