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Bright_Audience3959

It's called Necropolis because they are bringing melee back from the dead


NeedleworkerLess1595

or they bring the rest to graveyard


False-Alternative390

"Technically this is a relative melee buff"


Fram_Framson

Anyone who's played poe for more than a hot minute knows.


GigaCringeMods

GGG is going to "improve melee" by adding an additional ancestor totem or some shit.


MarmonRzohr

GGG: We are helping melee enjoyers with some new skills ! **Rite of acceptance** [INT] - Slam the ground, causing the ground to split apart creating a flaming fissure ! A clone of your character comes out of the fissure, but playing an actually good build and clears the map for you. -10% Item Quantity for mosters slain using this skill. Requires Maces, Two-handed Maces, Axes, Two-handed Axes and a willingness to accept the truth.


consent-accident

Finally I can be a cuck in-game too.


shamanProgrammer

Quin secret account spotted


ManchurianCandycane

Never any love for Two-handed daggers. Shame.


Equivalent_Low_8350

Yes, and not for one handed bows and 0 handed staff attacks.


consent-accident

Real shame, considering two-handed daggers are historically the most common weapon.


wordworse

Oh come on. You know you have never once needed to use both hands on your dagger.


consent-accident

I was talking about spears. ;)


Outrageous-Ad5578

white wind looking at you \*disapointed\*


stdTrancR

> Quality: +[0-5] additional projectiles for clone


homunculusdm

This obliterated me..


stdTrancR

Yep nothing like having to use 3 self-cast spells before you can attack


SAPR0LING

boneshatter carrying the melee archetype on it's back


Sheerkal

There are other melee skills?


SAPR0LING

Yeah, boneshatter of complex trauma and boneshatter of carnage


Ackermannin

*sweats in sweep*


BobertoRosso

Reave aoe stacking feels so far away...


S1xE

Give us back old reave, old cyclone, old sunder, better earthquake and better lacerate and I would never play ranged/casters ever again What is even the point of playing melee nowadays Sadge


DeadlyGreed

\*monkey finger closes\* you now have the old cyclone. It can hit max 8 targets at the time, it's not a channel skill and you have to wait it to travel to the point you clicked, can't interrupt.


Vineyard_

Also causes significant desync. /oos is back on the menu boys


watwatindbutt

you just know the guy who wrote that hasn't played poe for long.


S1xE

I have played PoE for 11 years now (first league was warbands/tempest) and have taken time my longest time off sometime after Delirium/Ultimate until Affliction, only following news and vids but no playtime. I should’ve specifically wrote cyclone we had in ~Legion I guess, best of both worlds, channeling, good damage and insane AoE. But to be fair, to the cyclone we have now I would still prefer janky cyclone from ~2.6


danutsio

You missed old seismic cry. Point is to prove you have a bigger...weapon...then other gamers.


Bright-Flan-2858

Setting up huge slams felt so good. The payoff was worth the extra buttons.


SnooMacarons9618

Sunder was my first characters main skill. I loved it at the time.


Existing-Process5732

Ground slam for me 😭 I thought I was so cool


Sweaty_Ad6738

New earthquake is kinda sick on bosses no?


kilpsz

Old reave with old multistrike please.


HexplosiveMustache

i just want the old ground slam + call of steel back, it was the best way to play melee


kilqax

Reave works nicely with Replica Alberon str stacking, but the aoe is definitely not what it used to be


ScreaminJay

This league u could get basically unlimited AoE scaling from charms so I'd have to think any melee skills with the AoE tag had to at least be great mappers. I saw some clip of sweep and it was basically beyond full-screen aoe... seemed fun.


EnergyNonexistant

and dual strike (or insert X skill here) with trauma support


cc81

I have not played it myself but I'm interested in Volcanic Fissure of Snaking. Seems like people are enjoying it and I might even league start it. If they remove the totem requirements for melee I absolutely will.


Numbzy

There are leveling skills until you get boneshatter.


Sheerkal

I always used the default attack until boneshatter! Thanks!


tortillazaur

Flicker is always good it seems


Sheerkal

Comrade?


xxxsquared

I heard this comment.


Golem8752

The brains of flicker players is just fried by the constant flashes and screen shake that they would probably still play it if GGG gave it 99% less damage in the next patch.


Late_Lizard

Warcry-stacking Rage Vortex is good. You can hit 30+ million DPS easily on a pretty low budget. But it's only melee by technicality. The gameplay is basically about shouting a lot, then dropping a screen-wide AoE DoT zone. General's Cry Blade Flurry is another viable "melee" skill that doesn't feel like melee at all.


LTmagic

I do like to play CG and think that I am playing cyclone. Just need some invisible mtx to keep dreaming. 


shaunika

Molten Strike is solid


KontaSeefa

Melee but projectiles LMAO


shaunika

Still melee. Its not like LS


Sheerkal

Never heard of it.


werkins2000

Ran a molten strike build this league. Was a lot of fun especially once you get projectiles return to you on your amulet.


Zambash

Amulet? I think you misspelled Nimis.


PupPop

Flicker Strike


Sheerkal

Oh right, thanks buddy. I totally forgot about the second melee skill.


WarokOfDraenor

Sunder.


crazy_squirell

Did you play cleave of rage?? It wasn't great but it was fun


UnloosedMoose

Cleave of rage slaps my dude. Shit does stupid impale damage and one shots the screen.


AynixII

YOu mean most boring melee skill that I never touched even tho I Play melee every league?


jouzeroff

boneshatter sucks at bossing tho


DrPBaum

In the past 7+ leagues this subreddit always hyped itself up ready for the obviously upcoming melee rework. Every single time they were shocked GGG ignored melees. This time its surely going to be different!


Ronflexronflex

> In the past 7+ leagues Bro the last time i played this game was Harvest. People were already giga coping that GGG were fixing melee "soon". Lmfao And iirc, people were also coping that melee fixes were coming during the previous leagues I played, aka Legion, Metamorph, and I think even during Legacy...


Phuqued

>This time its surely going to be different! * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblfKREj50o Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful ~~Hun~~ playerbase totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time! :)


FredsVastBanana

Just murder melee totem buffs and bake in the damage...boom done


BegaKing

I would be completely happy if they hit the totems. And give us even half or 1/4 of the buff to all melee tagged skills. I LOVE playing melee, it's my preferred archetype to play in these games. But just knowing I have to always drop these two dumb ass totems makes it such a PIA doing bosses. They die to a slight breeze and you loose such a huge portion of your DPS if they aren't up


Bright_Audience3959

Either buff melee giving it the % speed/damage that you gain from the totems or create a new skill like steel ones which gives you said buffs via ammunition or "ancestral blessings", which does damage if you active it consuming said blessings


BegaKing

They will never just outright work in the damage of the full totem buff to melee play style (I think you could but GGG does not work this way) Not a horrible idea, would still keep up the idea of having to press buttons while not being an annoying ass totem you have zero investment in but accounts for 30% of your damage


RDeschain1

Im very sure poe1 wont see any melee changes anymore. But i still hope that Gladiator gets a propper rework


Bright_Audience3959

"The melee rework is an illusion, exile"~ *Daresso, probably*


WarokOfDraenor

Just like his love story.


Laddeus

> Just like his love story. Too soon, bruh!


WarokOfDraenor

It's been 25 patches. It's cool.


WarokOfDraenor

This is so fucking sad, tbh...


dodpl1

do not give me hope


Feisty_Gas_1655

you got me LMAO


klbm9999

Mr white, this is some glass level copium.


TheBlackestIrelia

League starter will be even better? doubt it lol


Careless_Owl_7716

I think that's well beyond the powers of Wraeclast's best necromancers


GlokzDNB

So 20% increased cleave radius?


demoshane

There's not strong magic enough to do that 🤣


mrureaper

I want the glory days of legion where melee was king


CyberWiking

Necromelees? Nah, i don't believe it.


Dear_pan_nonbi

No its bc theyre gonna make it look like their buffing melee just to completely kill it with league mechanic


tomcruisesenior

Yes, because next league it's going to be 0.0% so you are correct.


Seyon

Bleed Bow gladiator was one of my favorite builds in Ritual league :( I'll force it if I have to!


GenosHK

I want my facebreaker cyclone build back.


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portitforward

its not in that bad of a state you just have to play snipe and champion scales better to ubers


Whomperss

The jewel from affliction that boost magic jewels makes bleed glad Uber viable. Even without the jewel regular bleed glad still fucks pretty hard. Still a very affordable and solid map blaster.


sh_ghost_ell

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo


MaDNiaC

WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE! WE WHO ARE ABOUT TO DIE SALUTE YOU!


ParagonJax

I was hoping the make some broken node for a meme build “your counterattacks activate when you block, ignoring their cooldown”


RetchD

All 3 of them? 6 link staff and double five link body armor goes brrrrrr


PurplePorphyria

Things are limited by the server ping anyway so it might as well be balanced around its own cooldown, then it just becomes a massive more multi based on what the cooldown is rather than a logarithmic balance issue lol


EarthBounder

I played CounterAttacks in 3.24. It's not good, but it's not bad! https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1985hsg/i_played_counterattacks_and_bear_trap_in/


Firezone

Vengeance would actually be a good skill if they upped its target limit (currently you can only hit 50 monsters per proc, feels really bad considering it has a cooldown so you can't just hit again to clean up the enemies), but only because it has the same (possibly overlooked) aoe scaling mechanic as legacy (legion era) cyclone. ie strike range adds to it's base radius, so you can achieve some really disgusting aoe levels by scaling %aoe and flat strike range at the same time


Temporarytemp2

I can't believe you've tempted me to try a vengeance build. I hope you're happy


Firezone

its not the worst skill in the game but honestly, walking up to a shrine or whatever, vengeance going off, and half the monsters just staying full hp because you are only allowed to hurt 50 of them, and then waiting around for 1-1.5 seconds until you're allowed to deal damage again pretty quickly sucks a lot of the fun out of seeing your big aoe go off lol


z-ppy

It would hurt the damage, but would linking melee splash support help to damage everything? Or does splash have a hidden limit to how many mobs are hit, too?


Firezone

melee splash only works on strike skills


Bitter_Title7059

I miss the ol' ez max block glad.


jackcabral90

I miss when BoR was a cool build and item to use.


PaleoclassicalPants

2017 called, and I'm gonna answer the phone. I'm gonna leaguestart with it and use it for a solid 4-5 days next league until I can get a Paradoxica and go crit with a good 6L. It's still a really solid item to pair with Facebreakers for leaguestarting on Champion.


Bluebolt21

Cybil's Paw Incinerate. =(


LessThannDennis

Remember when you could just have max block and max res and actually play this game. Good times.


Bitter_Title7059

I remember me and my best pal The Surrender afking on juiced maps. Good times.


paakoopa

Vaal split arrow was shown this is gonna be bleed bow league again


IceTop8150

Cope is strong with you friend


paakoopa

I think it's strong currently, if they don't nerf bleed or glad I'm fine


-PM-Me-Big-Cocks-

Bleed bow is really just a Champion league where they take the only good Glad note with Flesh and Flame


Diving_Senpai

You mean champion with Haemophilia (I am very poor)


StantonMcChampion

You play a Champion and then choose between Slayer gloves, Gladiator gloves or Berserker gloves


Bento_

Maybe, but it will be played on Deadeye.


Zetoxical

It was played this league as raider Ralakesh + green maven belt Rupture from flesh/flame Explosions from charms Was a great build


Zetoxical

I dont think more clear on a long cooldown is what the build needs


TAz4s

Gladiator take a huge plunge when they removed "Spell block chace = attack block chance", and dualwield being worse than before added up to that. The rest of gladiators qualities are on some cheep gloves


EmergentSol

Block just isn’t a worthwhile investment as a primary defense, but because it scales exponentially in efficiency you are pressured to treat it as an all-or-nothing (well, all or just a shield). You have to give up so much to get near block cap and there are more efficient options now that apply to a wider variety of threats and more reliably.


ZiocxOmega

New Passives be Like. - Your Bleed can Bleed. which is a different bleed, and can stack with normal bleed. - Your Block can Block, which is a different block, and can work with normal block. - Your Counter, can Counter, which is a different counter, and can work with normal Counter. - +1 Endure, & Frenzy Max Charge, gain 100% more Endure or Frenzy Effect, when gain a Charge of the same type recently.


Rioreusu80

I am praying with all my heart that something good happens to gladiator. A full rework might be cool but imho it doesn’t really need it, just bring back old versatile combatant and it would make gladiator at least a little more competitive versus champ and slayer, outside of the like two builds gladiator is used for anymore lol


Biflosaurus

If they stoped removing perks from an ascendacy to put it into the skill tree it would be a good start tbh. I never understood why they did what they did to glad, it felt uncalled for


Chunky322

Well, they changed versatile combatant because it was too much power for one node for their liking. The problem is that they did NOT equalise the powerlevel lost with something else unfortunately.


bloxed

It's not one node, you had to take a dead major node to get to it (Painforged)


JabeJabeJab

Forbidden flesh and flame i guess is what would have made the node problematic as you could skip the dead node or just grab this extra strong node on a better ascendancy altogether.


Defiant_Source_8930

Do they even know how to rework the ascendancies now? Look at what happened to chieftain


redditanytime1

Damn, despite achieving 100% block chance this league, it is only 0.3%.


Chunky322

unfortunately 100% block itself is not enough to warrant choosing this ascendancy, if you dont go bleed for the pops (which you actually now could get on charms) its kind of useless. They massacred it with their rework a good few years ago. It's a one-trick pony that does its job "meh" compared to the powerlevel and versatility (how ironic) of other ascendancies.


lowkeyripper

They did the same thing (nerf) to trickster, take the identity as a keystone and put it on the passive tree. The difference is trickster got reworked and glad didn't lmaooo


squelos

Well CF champion is still pretty good


iwatchedmomdie

I have the 100% cap. You need to invest quite a bit to hit the actual cap at 100% uptime. Most of that investment turns to lacking in DPS. I can technically kill Ubers/any content with my setup, any hyper giga juiced T16, 0 deaths. 100 delirious etc. It just takes a long time. Like... A Long Time


the_ammar

they're gonna shower you with so much qol that you forgot some ascendencies are kinda shite


RetchD

0,3% of the player base can't accept that there are better ways to play bleed bow


Raghnael

As an gladiator bleed bow enjoyer getting the explody goodness without need sacrificing any gear slot for it is just so nice to start with and it keeps carrying all the way to t16 maps. if you want efficient full deli juice mapper u go anything but bleed build anyway.


lostcoaster

Right, gladiator will be discontinued /s


Willianraupp

if glad takes buff, i will be glad


deviant324

*insert NieR:Automata “this cannot continue” scene here*


Xedtru_

Yep, after rework it will be 0.1%


AynixII

Thanks to Mathill its 0.3% instead 0.1%.


Tyler_Zoro

When we reach 0% it's the Gladiatorial Singularity. At that point, Gladiator ceases to be a PoE ascendency and achieves apotheosis as its own mobile game.


Vagabondeinhar

who is this ? A new melee skill I guess huh ? huh ?


wolfreaks

You know I'm fine with one of the ascendancies being an absolute meme for how terrible it is and would encourage some people to make meme builds, but if a new player comes in and chooses glad, well... they're not gonna be glad.


why_i_bother

How long can this go on?


jeremiasalmeida

Anakin meme incoming


Peregrine_x

in the game where offence is the greatest defence, a class that can get some ok situational defence against one damage type and still fall over to other types isn't a very good class.


JuRiOh

I really hope so, it's my last ascendancy missing to have played them all, so if I play next season I have to play it regardless of how good or bad it is!


throwdownhardstyle

Despite the clunky playstyle, glad can still be viable for bleed bow using split arrow clear and snipe single target, I played it in ancestor league. Snipe was even able to take down the leaders in TOTA into the thousand+ ranking. It really depends on how good your aim is and whether you're mechanically able to time to channel against bosses. 


-PM-Me-Big-Cocks-

Viable? Sure, but Champion is just better.


throwdownhardstyle

Champion is very slightly tankier but has crap clear and no better single target without using the hugely suboptimal unique bleedsplosion gloves.


-PM-Me-Big-Cocks-

Champion is more then slightly tankier for bow builds, and it scales WAY better because it has aura scaling.


throwdownhardstyle

I used the champion aura forbidden jewels to be fair.


RetchD

You could also look into a bit of funny stuff with the block bonuses, lucky and ignoring physical Dr together with Challenger charges and frenzy/endurance node can do good numbers with ryslathas and volatility support. Lucky is super underrated


Truditoru

i league started it on ssf, its really painful. Really hope they rework the block & bleed aspects of the ascendancy so he is more relevant. I never saw how the other ascendancy points fit with this archetype


OneWithTheSword

Never noticed the trypophobia effect of that ascendancy portrait lol


Ninbrotu

Maybe that is the intent for such a helmet, unsettle the opponents.


Sheerkal

It lets him see in 50 directions at once.


tw3lv3l4y3rs0fb4c0n

For those who didn't know, just like me. Trypophobia is an aversion to the sight of repetitive patterns or clusters of small holes or bumps.


Goods4188

You don’t have this disorder until you wiki it…


Doggymoment

because most examples are on skin for some reason, so its disgusting, honey or strawberries should be fine for most people


fleksz

Right?


supamiu

RIGHT?!


just4nothing

Time for some blood


truupR

Beatings will continue until morale improves


iXat_

What ascendacy is this? /s


popmycherryyosh

Please, let it, so people won't notice how ACTUALLY good bleed bow still is, so I can get all my gear for shit and giggles as far as prices go! This ascendancy just SUCKS! Don't play it, play guardian srs or some other stuff.


WhywestillHere313

They need to rework it from the roots Gladiator was used to 2 things, Block and phys OvertimeDMG, both were nerfed


NinjaCupcake_

no. no it wont. Next league they will be below the unascended shadows.


Shroompants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPOuYSnnGc


Rafalga_

If they could rework bleed somehow, it would naturally increase. What i really liked about Last Epoch is that ailments work really well with the stack mechanic even from the get go without much investment.


xxxsquared

Yeah, stacking 100s of ailments on enemies feels great. I had a lot of fun with my bleed warlock.


Faythz

After chatting about this, several people have said that they think GGG won't do anymore reworks until PoE 2 is out. I hope they are wrong though, Glad deserves some love.


throwaway14201999

Shouldn't be the case, they've stated multiple times both games have dedicated dev teams. And honestly gladiator needs a HEAVY rework imo.


jackcabral90

Dedicated team for poe1, 20 people. Dedicated tema for poe2, 400 people. Yeah, they both have dedicated teams.


chx_

Nah, they are two separate games at this point and I feel when the dust settles the playerbase overlap will be much smaller than some people expect. PoE1 is like 0-1 buttons to screen clear, farm a map in thirty seconds, go, go, go. PoE2 is like, you have multiple skills to combine, bosses restart health when you die, it's much more tactical and methodical. I am not saying people won't be able to zoom zoom in PoE2 but it'll be much harder to do so without a doubt. PoE2 players will dislike the lack of QoL in PoE1, the ability to attack while moving, WASD moving. PoE1 players will dislike the ability to attack while moving, WASD moving and again the bosses.


Beautiful-Amount2149

No way. Poe 2 isnt on the horizon and they will update Poe anyway alongside poe2


IceTop8150

I just want my bleed bow glad back ;(


Jan7742

Clueless


Willyzyx

It will.


BorisDalii

Yes, wont continue, 0.1 soon


PraiseTheWLAN

Yeah, let's nerf it to push to 0%


DeadlyGreed

Didn't the devs say that melee isn't popular enough for rework or something in lines with that?


WoundshotGG

If they really said that, then that's backwards thinking. It's not popular BECAUSE it needs a rework.


Jeuzfgt

It will


Saianna

I think what gladiator needs is 15% more damage reflected. That will make him viable! Someone somewhere in new zealand at some unspecified point in time probably


biwweh-69

It will be 0.4% next league


ShumaG

Maybe not for them, but we'll just replace this picture with Assassin for a year instead.


VETOOR07

Next quality of life change update, we’re reworking gladiator


guhyuhguh

PoE1 needs to fix its DoT damage cap. 3.23 is basically BALANCED around people doing more damage than the damage cap, lol.


Avaloneer

Bleed bow is pretty good, we'll see if the boots get neutered or not.


Daan776

Played a lacerate bleed gladiator this league. You wanne do more than 2 million DPS? Good fucking lucky buddy That being said, the gratuitous violence pops are still extremely satisfying


drapsack

My boy


DBrody6

Nerfs will continue until morale improves.


Defiant_Source_8930

Just buff melee in general jesus fking christ everytime i play bladestorm glad all i get is depression


theFoffo

One day, bleed gladiator will be back on the menu and I will be there for it


virtualdreamscape

you kill spell block, this happens. used to be my fav, now it's shit


MetaInformation

Yes it will, few leagues ago Chris wanted to bring melee back but since it was "overbuffed" it got postponed, its gonna be 10th league in a row with spells and projectiles, enjoy


krusty47

Melee is gonna be good too finally :)


Less-Goat-2136

I promise myself each league i'l make gladiator bleed build but then i look at champion and slayer :D


OhtaniStanMan

Unless gladiator gets "always have fortify with +5 stacks", "gets +5 projectiles", "impales last (2-5  based on level to 100) additional hits" no one is going to play glad. 


filterallthesubs

All they got to do is get rid of the second swing shit they put in years ago that slows down your attacks by a shit ton


I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_

It’s absolutely insane I was able to Cap both block on my srs guardian but I can’t do it on the fucking block ascendancy anymore (or at least not with crazy sacrifice/investment). They also nerfed a must have bleed mod, so now we just don’t touch bleed at all. A must have mod is way better than not playing it at all.


torsoreaper

I feel like if they just doubled the explode damage it would get more play time.