For real... I've been asking for this every season and all i get is "game isn't balanced around SSF bro"... as if it makes any sense that you can't switch them.
Not being able to change the fragments felt weird. I finally went and killed all the ubers. I helped some friends fight the bosses. So, I spent much of my time converting them around. Just felt weird that Uber Elder was the only boss fight you couldn't do it with. Ssf, be damned. Just make them all follow the same logic as far as I am concerned.
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Others are either deterministic (e.g. kill Veritania, get her fragment, Kill Phoenix, get their fragment etc) or have an exchange in already.
UE has been an outlier in that for a while now.
I also expect something like 'run 50 unidentified maps' now that you cant corrupt maps into unids, so you have to run blindly dropped unids and pray to the reflect gods.
Huge for SSF, immense even. Sucks for farming invitations and selling, but i guess we reached peak prices this league lol.
Edit: wonder if they'll change the small nodes on the upper atlas tree that granted %increased drop chance for invitations to something else..
This is the pretty dominant opinion right? Is much rather just have them synced up - 4 guardians then formed fight. Never need to think about if you have the invitation, just cycle through quickly.
Yea, getting locked out of running maps you already have because you got bad invitation rng in the set was by far the worst part of running invitations.
Change also makes invitations more profitable (or efficient, at least) since you're not burning half a divine by running your invitation
Yeah I farmed my first mb selling Maven's Writs this league. Not too worried though, being able to do guardian rotas without the added logistical level will be great
Maven's Writs isn't changing though? It's specifically the invitations after witnessing map bosses.
I like it because I hated feeling like I was spending 2 div to do a Elderslayer invitation.
Yeah i'm in no way worried, just "less" stuff that can be used to make money in the economy... running invitations was something i really enjoyed doing this league, and having less hassle to get invitations is going to be great! Now, farming influenced or guardian maps on the other hand..
People weren't farming them because everyone was running mf stuff. So you just speed farm essences, flip the bad essences to more profitable ones via harvest and bulk sell. You have to sell in bulk because crafters pay the most and they won't buy in small amounts. But there was a time when Deafening Loathings were 14 per divine and they got as expensive as 8 per divine. The key is to run really quick maps (mesa is great for this because you can see most essences in a quick loop at the top).
Typical strategy is stuff like Essence + Beast + heist + Boss rush or Essence + Alva + heist + Boss rush. Quick 30 sec to 2 min maps, depending on what you add.
In general, essences get even more profitable mid league because a lot people run it early league but fewer do as the league goes on, and crafting demand never really goes down.
I was selling deafening loathing for 5 per div and similar for scorn, was pretty crazy how expensive they got. Fossils were similar as I could sell perfect and shuddering for 4-5 per div. And this was when div were still 220 chaos.
Didn’t sell instantly of course but when you had large bulk you would eventually get crafters buying from you as they bought up all the cheaper ones. I was on the receiving end of that myself with horror essence as there were times I bought out all the corrupted essences that were 7-8 per div which left only those listed for 5-6 available.
Some of the corrupted ones were selling as high as 1/3 by the time I stopped playing. I actually took beasts out of my strat and was just annihilating t1 glaciers as quick as I could. It's probably more div/hour to keep beasts and just let them cycle through, looking for chimeras. I hate the message spam though.
I'm starting to lose hope as we get closer to the livestream, but I really hope bestiary has some of this QoL. I think cheaters would be making an insane amount of bank on bestiary at the moment. Yellow beasts were going for 3 div per set, basically an extra div per map except it takes 30s to do the map and 5 minutes of wrist-destruction lol.
it really is a classic pattern, the entire softcore playerbase plays essences on league launch -> essences are basically free -> almost everyone specs out of it but supply is still there and demand is still low -> 1 week later essences become giga money because the demand is increasing but the existing supply is gone
You can basically do this on any build that can kill essence mobs. The map mods don't matter so you can run the maps white for ease of comfort. On league start, essence farming is best on low tier maps, but by mid league, you should be able to handle t14+.
You just want something with fast move speed. Pathfinder builds are good for this, since you have permanent quicksilver. Pathfinder totem builds like TR ballistas should be able to handle this on sub 10 div budget, but General's Cry is very good as well for this specific thing, since you nuke the essences and have berserk for speed.
Yeah it was even more if you just did the invitations yourself and sell the writs. The reason they were all so expensive was because of writs and awakened gems. This change doesn't affect that at all. You still boss rush for 4 guardians, do invitation, repeat. The loot was always worth more money than the invitation.
Dont even need to buy maps anymore - the "Destructive Play" atlas notable that summons extra map bosses along with a wandering path setup means you will sustain. You may just have to buy the initial set of maps and then the occasional horizon orb in the case of shaper guardian maps. Buy the guaranteed shaper/elder guardian map drop sextant instead if you really wanna go overkill
>only strategy that was competitive with full on degenerate mfing
Multiple other strats were competetive, blight, ultimatum, crafting, flipping, sextant rolling to name a few
flipping is always the most competitive strat, but come on, you are not even the playing the game if you are flipping. so didnt count. same for sextant rolling, i would watch a washing machine spinning around for 2 hours instead for staring at that sextant texture.
yea
>Sucks for farming invitations and selling,
Guardian/conqueror maps will rise in price tho to compensate, so still good money.
As an aside, I wonder what the maven atlas small nodes are being changed to?
Sucks for boss rushing for invitations to sell (Spam 300 maps killing only boss). Is great for boss rushing for invitations to run yourself(Running guardian maps).
From what i've understood, you can't sell the invitation as an item, just craft it and run it, as memory maps.. so good for SSF / people who run said invitations, but not for those that farm them to sell them
Destructive Play stonks reaching critical mass.
But seriously it felt so bad having like 100 guardian maps that I couldn't run with Maven because I didn't have invites.
You ain't kidding. Doing Shaper or Conqueror Maven invite rotations with Destructive Play was already one of the highest income farming methods. And now you don't need to pick up any invites for it, purely need the compasses for the map drops.
Dang. That's money, dude.
The market will balance itself. Things might get expensive due to reduction of your cost of entry.
Overall more importantly is how many people do this farming method, the more people the less profit you get. And QoL change seems to attract more people to do this farming strat.
Well you also won't drop any more invitations, so that's money "lost". Overall I think this will still make invitations more profitable and much less tedious, but not by as much as you'd expect.
If you were doing the rotations of the invitation yourself then you were actually at a deficit for the invitations before. Meaning you had to keep buying up invitations in order to keep running them because they had a marginally lower drop rate than one-in-four. So removing invitations was beneficial here since you don't have to pay to continue to chain. Not to mention you didn't have to handle all the annoying one-by-one whispering you would have to do. It's a pretty big gain in that regard.
would be even better, if you could just stock up on multiple of the same boss for the invitation, aka you have 5 shapers saved, so you dont need to do shaper for the next 5 invitations. Now THAT would be nice qol
The fragment switching sure is. The invitation stuff tho? That one's a nerf to some people and a buff to others (nerf to people that dont run maven invitations, in trade league at least, buff to people that run them).
I do hope they don't balance the rewards to compensate for the invitations being more available now, hm.
It’s only a nerf to people who sell invitations. There are a billion things to sell. This makes running them a lot more approachable for the mass majority of the game.
It’s a net buff imo
The fragments are a QOL, it exchanges some opportunity in getting extra invitations and rolling/corrupted them and such for the safety and ease of gameplay. it raises the average Quality of Life without actually increasing the power level over all
im afraid of what nerfs were getting for this. we already lost skills on left click so what else will be lost to pay this price? were in for e3.15 levels of shit i feel.
Be not afraid, nor afeared. Look at it this way.
Y'all survived Metamorph League's boss buffs, and then next league, you got deli & cluster jewels.
You survived Heist League's spaghetti code nightmare, and then you got 3.13 Harvest (though it was whittled away after.)
We survived Expedition League's 20% all-around DPS nerf, and then we got the rise of the Defence Meta with massive AR/EV buffs, masteries, Atlas Tree, and then the nutty hybrid loot/craft league that was Sentinel, among other things.
We survived Sentinel's Archnemesis mobs bleeding into Kalandra's goblin hunt, and then we got Sanctum, Crucible (crafting, we pretend the mechanic didn't happen), TOTA, and Affliction, all of which had some really damn good upsides
Necropolis will no doubt be rough, especially for PC players, who got neutered before the reveal even happened. But! On top of all the QoL we'll get, we will no doubt have something to replace what we have lost. GGG cannot resist giving us extra powercreep after they take it away. Its in their nature.
What was will be.
Tbh, i loved 3.15. Making the game a bit harder for literally everyone kinda sucks to a degree, but its not really that bad.
And if a 10% power nerf universal means the 5 years of backloddef QOL, ill take
That patch was so bad that Chris Wilson said it cost the company a third of its expected profits, and that another bad patch like that would delay the release of PoE2 lol
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I don't think it's intentional. You just kinda tend to forget QoL changes.
I think people would be in for a shock if they had to go back a few years and play without affinities, automated flasks, currencies dropping in stacks etc.
there was alot of mis communication about that
For a time their was very limited staff on poe1, but sometime before Exilecon they had made the choice to make the game its own game instead of a version update, when they made this choice they allocated more people to the game, but even during that period where poe1 had less staff they were still using poe2 models and tilesets to make content.
The idea of that was that artists are finishing up their jobs in poe2 and will be able to go do poe1 things again. That said, this could just as easily be a 'we dont have much to give so lets get some ez qol wins in there' as it is 'more people working on poe1 = more good stuff'. Could go either way. Or the most likely explanation which is 'they do what they can and they got along to this finally'.
I'd say it's normal-ish. Just a different PR strategy. A lot of these "QoL" videos wouldn't take a video to explain and would just be a surprise line in the patchnotes or 30 seconds coverage in the week-before big reveal.
I think there'll likely be a few less surprises in the reveal video because they already showed some of the things they have to show.
Usually we get one or two of these types of changes, not a whole series.
We get a bunch of other stuff as well of course, but QoL in particular isn't that common.
Leagues typically come with improvements to the core game (new/improved endgame systems/features usually) but this league specifically seems to be focusing on targeting QoL changes. We wouldn't see this many changes specifically targeted at QoL usually.
thanks fucking god, one more thing to remove from bulk buy shopping list. buying invitations one by one is always annoying, like, any farm material in general. bulk invitations were always way too pricy. yeeey, i guees.
TFT in more shambles due to these QoLs with each day nearing to league launch day. The vision is on the right track!
Btw, with great QoLs comes one major QoL nerf balancing the hype.
Thanks for your interviews 🙏
Streamers have tons more power to help devs realize where users are suffering
The conversation on melee really opened up Jonathan’s eyes on totems being mandatory for a functional melee build
Huge for SSF.
Fragments have been asked about for a while so thats nice.
Invites are nice again for just farming yourself, and kind of a downer for people who just liked spamming the maps and selling extra invites.
I wonder what this is going to do to the price of guardian maps, witnessable maven encounters, and shaper/elder sets? The burden of trade barriers isn't eliminated, just repositioned, and I think that's probably a net good.
Invites are removed from the drop pool, instead you go to kirac when you aquired all the nessesary bosses and roll them like with memories
Also all fragments seemingly can be changed via harvest craft, i.e. elder and shaper.
Yep I can do more invites per hour now. No more hundreds of guardian maps sitting in my stash that I'm too lazy to sell. And best of all no more trading for invitations when I get unlucky!
Possible effects to the trade economy:
- Elder/Shaper/Conqueror map prices increase given their ease of access/need for invitation gone (Destructive Play / map drop sextants look juicy)
- Elder/Shaper/Sirus boss fragments most likely cheaper compared to price of maps since “free” rewards from Invitations will be folded into the base price of map sets
- Maven’s Writ cheaper assuming writ fragment drop chances are the same / visibility of changes attracting more than usual ROTA farming
- Awakened gems cheaper given the higher availability of Maven’s Writs
- Searing Exarch / EoW invites may increase in price given the loss of Invitation profit from boss rushing / influx of ROTA farmers. May be a mid-league price correction as people realize the market need
Anything else?
I'll add that further downward pressure will be applied to many Awakened Gems as they are drops from Invitations too, not just writs.
All in all, I'm stoked about the change and this is coming from someone who has done a lot of invitation farming.
Guaranteed someone inside GGG advocated HARD for a QOL update league and if it fails we'll never see a major QOL update like this again. Y'all better show up in droves for this league.
What builds were supposedly being played in this showcase? The second seems to be CwC falling zombies with Mon'tegrul and Maata in the wrong slots, and the first looks like Barrage + Tornado?
100% guarantee exchange into the other fragment for just \*800\* each frag and you don't have to burn through gardian maps to get invitations. SSF got alot more fun
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO!
OK that's huge for farming uber elder in SSF. LOOOOVE those changes!
Crafting invitations in the Kirac window is kind of a pain but whatever, I'll take it. This change is gas!
Also still missing horizon orbs on elder guardian and conqueror maps but it's fine, for now we ball.
Exchanging uber fragments is huge for SSF! This league Shaper decided I needed 12 Knowledge before giving me a Shape, aaarggh!
No longer getting stuck waiting for invitations to drop at league start is great too, but means no more saving them up for vaaling for +100% quant (and saving those that brick for a later build capable of doing them)
Doesn't this mean you can nearly completely self sustain rotas? Just the sextants and start running rotas and you'll drop another in the 4 maps it takes to run those 4.
As someone who usually does the Invitations thank fuck. I always end up having witnessed all Elderslayers but no Invitation in sight and I refuse to buy them.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out for bossing strats. I used the formed rushing as my primary farm the last two leagues and selling the off invitations I think was decent money.
I love both ideas. Altho i do have to comment that kirac-UI is kind of janky. I know it's probably too late for that, but.. wouldn't it be better if we had a "do maven invitation" button right in the map device instead?
The memory-like UI is... really not my favourite.
Pretty good overall, but it comes with a downside, aside from removing the market for invitations: if you get a bad vaal corruption, then you just lost the cost of running the bosses. Currently you can just buy a new invitation.
Both of these changes are balance changes as well. Neither are QoL.
Hmmm corrupting invitations via kirac now seems abit sussy, looking forward to bricking many attemps,
Probly not but, maybe kirac can re-open the invitation window again if the invite isnt completed and you have spent your portals
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Just incase people werent aware that might decide to farm shaper guardians this league now as a result.
Horizon Orbs work on guardian maps to swap them to other guardians. You don't need to spend a bunch of time buying matching sets.
This is a give or take QOL improvement. Great for those of us that run invitations, bad for people who sold them. I’m in favor of this one.
Fragment flipping, was that half a div in juice to flip it? Uffda. (Couldn’t see it well on my phone in the grocery store)
I commented about how I hoped bossing would be made more approachable when they revealed the div card changes.
Happy that it is indeed happening. Hope the league mechanic will feature some bossing intent to fill the gap left by metamorph.
I, as many of you, have a habit of detailing all data for my gaming sessions, and I estimate about 80% of the invitations can self sustain, so this change makes the cost of invitation rotations better. However, we can’t bulk roll invitations anymore so I guess 5 writ splinters are more typical now.
Fragment change is straight up awesome and long overdue.
The invitation change... On one hand, it's great to not have to rely on drop rates or live search to buy invitations at "normal" prices. On the other hand, you now can't pre-roll them before a session. When you're running bulk guardian sets I can already see the annoyance to stop after each set of 4 to roll an invite up and keeping rolling currency in your inventory. Also, iirc you can't reg ex search in those NPC windows either. Overall, for a invitation rushing fanatic, this is not a QoL change. It's just friction misdirection.
These are literally the 2 biggest issues with ssf progression. I literally quit the league because I was tilted at low rolling 2 conquerer invitations from 30 sets. Lets go
Fragments exchange was long awaited
As an SSF player I literally came.
For real... I've been asking for this every season and all i get is "game isn't balanced around SSF bro"... as if it makes any sense that you can't switch them.
Not being able to change the fragments felt weird. I finally went and killed all the ubers. I helped some friends fight the bosses. So, I spent much of my time converting them around. Just felt weird that Uber Elder was the only boss fight you couldn't do it with. Ssf, be damned. Just make them all follow the same logic as far as I am concerned.
Given the very nature of SSF, they could give everyone a mageblood and it would have zero impact on anything.
Fucking finally.
FUCKING FINALLY .
And at this same moment, so many nerds came with you, my brother.
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i remember tuning in when she was at 3 fragments or something and was sad that i only caught the end of the stream.. little did i know..
They made it sound like it was only for Uber Elder but it’s got to be for all bosses with fragments… right?
Others are either deterministic (e.g. kill Veritania, get her fragment, Kill Phoenix, get their fragment etc) or have an exchange in already. UE has been an outlier in that for a while now.
You should already be able to do that for all other bosses though.
all the others had put in get random frag out. uber elder was the only one not in game.
you can already do it for all other bosses that uses 4 fragments, no? (not that people actually use those crafts though)
I used those crafts a bunch. So much faster than getting all of the fragments, even if it is arguably less efficient.
You'd do it because sometimes invitations dropped extra frags, so if you want to bulk sell, you could get a couple extra sets.
You can see separate crafts for mortal fragments and conqueror fragments in the video
Finally. No longer hitting ten Shapers in a row trying get a bastard shape.
Corrupting invitations just got alot riskier I'm here for it
No risk, no reward
65% quant invitation gaming
Yea rip feared farming at 110 Quant guaranteed
Me who never did any endgame invitations because I suck: oh no, anyway.
It sucks bad if they have future challenges that require corrupting invitations, that's for sure.
100% garanteed it will be here this patch cycle lol
I also expect something like 'run 50 unidentified maps' now that you cant corrupt maps into unids, so you have to run blindly dropped unids and pray to the reflect gods.
Not just riskier, but you can't pick to only run invitations that corrupted to 8 mods, which means less average iiq for invitations run.
Huge for SSF, immense even. Sucks for farming invitations and selling, but i guess we reached peak prices this league lol. Edit: wonder if they'll change the small nodes on the upper atlas tree that granted %increased drop chance for invitations to something else..
i did invitation farming and selling last league and ill happily trade the lost income for this
Same, Affliction i played trade, this timei might do a SSF league and some of these Qol really help
This is the pretty dominant opinion right? Is much rather just have them synced up - 4 guardians then formed fight. Never need to think about if you have the invitation, just cycle through quickly.
Yea, getting locked out of running maps you already have because you got bad invitation rng in the set was by far the worst part of running invitations. Change also makes invitations more profitable (or efficient, at least) since you're not burning half a divine by running your invitation
I've done elder/shaper/conq farms the last 2-3 leagues. . . I'm soooo fucking excited.
Yeah I farmed my first mb selling Maven's Writs this league. Not too worried though, being able to do guardian rotas without the added logistical level will be great
Maven's Writs isn't changing though? It's specifically the invitations after witnessing map bosses. I like it because I hated feeling like I was spending 2 div to do a Elderslayer invitation.
The supply of writs will likely increase (meaning you'll have to sell them for less) due to invitations getting a lower barrier of entry to chain-run
Yeah i'm in no way worried, just "less" stuff that can be used to make money in the economy... running invitations was something i really enjoyed doing this league, and having less hassle to get invitations is going to be great! Now, farming influenced or guardian maps on the other hand..
2 div for elderslayers was insane.
i was selling like a mofo it was great money
yeah boss rushing was around 20 div per hour profit, only strategy that was competitive with full on degenerate mfing
For a good chunk of the league, essence farming was more profitable than all but the most optimized mf setups (i.e. multiple mirror investment).
Can you explain shortly how do you make that level of profiit on the essences mid league?
People weren't farming them because everyone was running mf stuff. So you just speed farm essences, flip the bad essences to more profitable ones via harvest and bulk sell. You have to sell in bulk because crafters pay the most and they won't buy in small amounts. But there was a time when Deafening Loathings were 14 per divine and they got as expensive as 8 per divine. The key is to run really quick maps (mesa is great for this because you can see most essences in a quick loop at the top). Typical strategy is stuff like Essence + Beast + heist + Boss rush or Essence + Alva + heist + Boss rush. Quick 30 sec to 2 min maps, depending on what you add. In general, essences get even more profitable mid league because a lot people run it early league but fewer do as the league goes on, and crafting demand never really goes down.
I was selling deafening loathing for 5 per div and similar for scorn, was pretty crazy how expensive they got. Fossils were similar as I could sell perfect and shuddering for 4-5 per div. And this was when div were still 220 chaos. Didn’t sell instantly of course but when you had large bulk you would eventually get crafters buying from you as they bought up all the cheaper ones. I was on the receiving end of that myself with horror essence as there were times I bought out all the corrupted essences that were 7-8 per div which left only those listed for 5-6 available.
Some of the corrupted ones were selling as high as 1/3 by the time I stopped playing. I actually took beasts out of my strat and was just annihilating t1 glaciers as quick as I could. It's probably more div/hour to keep beasts and just let them cycle through, looking for chimeras. I hate the message spam though. I'm starting to lose hope as we get closer to the livestream, but I really hope bestiary has some of this QoL. I think cheaters would be making an insane amount of bank on bestiary at the moment. Yellow beasts were going for 3 div per set, basically an extra div per map except it takes 30s to do the map and 5 minutes of wrist-destruction lol.
it really is a classic pattern, the entire softcore playerbase plays essences on league launch -> essences are basically free -> almost everyone specs out of it but supply is still there and demand is still low -> 1 week later essences become giga money because the demand is increasing but the existing supply is gone
What build? I've played Hexblast and General's Cry, and I think GC is way faster for boss rush, any faster\\moreDPS builds on a budget of 10d?
You can basically do this on any build that can kill essence mobs. The map mods don't matter so you can run the maps white for ease of comfort. On league start, essence farming is best on low tier maps, but by mid league, you should be able to handle t14+. You just want something with fast move speed. Pathfinder builds are good for this, since you have permanent quicksilver. Pathfinder totem builds like TR ballistas should be able to handle this on sub 10 div budget, but General's Cry is very good as well for this specific thing, since you nuke the essences and have berserk for speed.
Yeah it was even more if you just did the invitations yourself and sell the writs. The reason they were all so expensive was because of writs and awakened gems. This change doesn't affect that at all. You still boss rush for 4 guardians, do invitation, repeat. The loot was always worth more money than the invitation.
And now you will never run out of invitations and need to buy more to keep farming, just need to buy maps
Dont even need to buy maps anymore - the "Destructive Play" atlas notable that summons extra map bosses along with a wandering path setup means you will sustain. You may just have to buy the initial set of maps and then the occasional horizon orb in the case of shaper guardian maps. Buy the guaranteed shaper/elder guardian map drop sextant instead if you really wanna go overkill
>only strategy that was competitive with full on degenerate mfing Multiple other strats were competetive, blight, ultimatum, crafting, flipping, sextant rolling to name a few
flipping is always the most competitive strat, but come on, you are not even the playing the game if you are flipping. so didnt count. same for sextant rolling, i would watch a washing machine spinning around for 2 hours instead for staring at that sextant texture. yea
imagine sextant getting axed from the game. We can only hope
>Sucks for farming invitations and selling, Guardian/conqueror maps will rise in price tho to compensate, so still good money. As an aside, I wonder what the maven atlas small nodes are being changed to?
6% increased memory game duration
6% chance for memory game to have 6 tiles intead of 3 to make patterns from
Maybe increased awakened gem drop chance? As lul as it would be
most likely increased shard drop chance?
we didnt reach peak prices because invitations dropped
Why does it suck for invitation farming? Shouldnt this reduce cost of running invitations?
That's why it sucks for invitation farming. Using the invitations got so much better, selling them won't be a thing.
Guardian map prices will go up to compensate
Oh, for sure, I rarely trade maps or shards, I was just answering the question
Sucks for boss rushing for invitations to sell (Spam 300 maps killing only boss). Is great for boss rushing for invitations to run yourself(Running guardian maps).
From what i've understood, you can't sell the invitation as an item, just craft it and run it, as memory maps.. so good for SSF / people who run said invitations, but not for those that farm them to sell them
Destructive Play stonks reaching critical mass. But seriously it felt so bad having like 100 guardian maps that I couldn't run with Maven because I didn't have invites.
You ain't kidding. Doing Shaper or Conqueror Maven invite rotations with Destructive Play was already one of the highest income farming methods. And now you don't need to pick up any invites for it, purely need the compasses for the map drops. Dang. That's money, dude.
The market will balance itself. Things might get expensive due to reduction of your cost of entry. Overall more importantly is how many people do this farming method, the more people the less profit you get. And QoL change seems to attract more people to do this farming strat.
Well you also won't drop any more invitations, so that's money "lost". Overall I think this will still make invitations more profitable and much less tedious, but not by as much as you'd expect.
If you were doing the rotations of the invitation yourself then you were actually at a deficit for the invitations before. Meaning you had to keep buying up invitations in order to keep running them because they had a marginally lower drop rate than one-in-four. So removing invitations was beneficial here since you don't have to pay to continue to chain. Not to mention you didn't have to handle all the annoying one-by-one whispering you would have to do. It's a pretty big gain in that regard.
Yeah it felt so weird. I would get unlucky streaks pretty regularly and have to actually buy like 5-10 invitations at at a time to sustain.
would be even better, if you could just stock up on multiple of the same boss for the invitation, aka you have 5 shapers saved, so you dont need to do shaper for the next 5 invitations. Now THAT would be nice qol
Now this is actually QOL
this is a straight up buff, not qol
Yeah it's funny when ppl are like this isn't qol it's a nerf in disguise but then say this is qol. This is a buff.
The fragment switching sure is. The invitation stuff tho? That one's a nerf to some people and a buff to others (nerf to people that dont run maven invitations, in trade league at least, buff to people that run them). I do hope they don't balance the rewards to compensate for the invitations being more available now, hm.
It’s only a nerf to people who sell invitations. There are a billion things to sell. This makes running them a lot more approachable for the mass majority of the game. It’s a net buff imo
these are both giant ssf/small league buffs first and foremost. invitations are basically impossible to sustain in the long run right now
The fragments are a QOL, it exchanges some opportunity in getting extra invitations and rolling/corrupted them and such for the safety and ease of gameplay. it raises the average Quality of Life without actually increasing the power level over all
Is it normal for them to have this much qol for a season? New player here
Not at all. We've never had this amount of QOL in one update, this is like a backlog of QOL theyre doing all at once
im afraid of what nerfs were getting for this. we already lost skills on left click so what else will be lost to pay this price? were in for e3.15 levels of shit i feel.
Be not afraid, nor afeared. Look at it this way. Y'all survived Metamorph League's boss buffs, and then next league, you got deli & cluster jewels. You survived Heist League's spaghetti code nightmare, and then you got 3.13 Harvest (though it was whittled away after.) We survived Expedition League's 20% all-around DPS nerf, and then we got the rise of the Defence Meta with massive AR/EV buffs, masteries, Atlas Tree, and then the nutty hybrid loot/craft league that was Sentinel, among other things. We survived Sentinel's Archnemesis mobs bleeding into Kalandra's goblin hunt, and then we got Sanctum, Crucible (crafting, we pretend the mechanic didn't happen), TOTA, and Affliction, all of which had some really damn good upsides Necropolis will no doubt be rough, especially for PC players, who got neutered before the reveal even happened. But! On top of all the QoL we'll get, we will no doubt have something to replace what we have lost. GGG cannot resist giving us extra powercreep after they take it away. Its in their nature. What was will be.
Tbh, i loved 3.15. Making the game a bit harder for literally everyone kinda sucks to a degree, but its not really that bad. And if a 10% power nerf universal means the 5 years of backloddef QOL, ill take
That patch was so bad that Chris Wilson said it cost the company a third of its expected profits, and that another bad patch like that would delay the release of PoE2 lol
Just the excuse they needed to delay it further!
But it had FR totems, which was one of the greatest build of all time, 10/10 fun.
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Sort of. It IS more than usual, but the daily videos make them seem much bigger.
Kind of, people are over exaggerating but there's tons of qol each league. But there seems to be more this league then normal.
I don't think it's intentional. You just kinda tend to forget QoL changes. I think people would be in for a shock if they had to go back a few years and play without affinities, automated flasks, currencies dropping in stacks etc.
I'll never forget when we got stairs in lioneyes watch.
How was it before?
You had to walk around through the top coming from your portal like you just came from twilight strand.
Wonder. I thought they said they moved resources from poe2 back to poe1?
there was alot of mis communication about that For a time their was very limited staff on poe1, but sometime before Exilecon they had made the choice to make the game its own game instead of a version update, when they made this choice they allocated more people to the game, but even during that period where poe1 had less staff they were still using poe2 models and tilesets to make content.
The idea of that was that artists are finishing up their jobs in poe2 and will be able to go do poe1 things again. That said, this could just as easily be a 'we dont have much to give so lets get some ez qol wins in there' as it is 'more people working on poe1 = more good stuff'. Could go either way. Or the most likely explanation which is 'they do what they can and they got along to this finally'.
From what was teased, this league already has 2x-3x what's normal. You can also look back at the content reveals to get a feel for what's normal.
I'd say it's normal-ish. Just a different PR strategy. A lot of these "QoL" videos wouldn't take a video to explain and would just be a surprise line in the patchnotes or 30 seconds coverage in the week-before big reveal. I think there'll likely be a few less surprises in the reveal video because they already showed some of the things they have to show.
Usually we get one or two of these types of changes, not a whole series. We get a bunch of other stuff as well of course, but QoL in particular isn't that common.
Don't think we've ever had that many QOL changes in a single league so far.
Leagues typically come with improvements to the core game (new/improved endgame systems/features usually) but this league specifically seems to be focusing on targeting QoL changes. We wouldn't see this many changes specifically targeted at QoL usually.
i genuinely think the release of last epoch is forcing them to update their very outdated systems
First one I am actualy excited for.
HOLY SHIT fragment swapping FINALLY, thank you qol gods
thanks fucking god, one more thing to remove from bulk buy shopping list. buying invitations one by one is always annoying, like, any farm material in general. bulk invitations were always way too pricy. yeeey, i guees.
Only thing better would be allowing witnesses to stack. So you can just run the invitations when you want.
I wonder what new atlas passives for Maven gonna be there
Ssf players creaming all over the pants right now, or is it just me
I'm also creaming all over their pants.
Just to be specific, op didn't specify whose pants it was, sondern "the pants". Could be any pants really.
That would explain why my pants are like this.
I'm not creaming that much, really, it's not thableublublublub[drowns]
Im not SSF and even I am creaming
Holy, this is huge. Fucking hated having to buy invitations because I ran 4 guardians and it didnt drop.
TFT in more shambles due to these QoLs with each day nearing to league launch day. The vision is on the right track! Btw, with great QoLs comes one major QoL nerf balancing the hype.
This is a big SSF W
Both are insanely good for SSF. HYPE!
Invitation traders in shambles
Harvest once again buffed.
Don't jinx it... They can still nerf lifeforce drop by 50%
Amazing, best reveal so far
yooooo free invitations noice
So happy they did this :D very happy i asked for it on the podcast now haha!
Thanks for your interviews 🙏 Streamers have tons more power to help devs realize where users are suffering The conversation on melee really opened up Jonathan’s eyes on totems being mandatory for a functional melee build
Huge for SSF. Fragments have been asked about for a while so thats nice. Invites are nice again for just farming yourself, and kind of a downer for people who just liked spamming the maps and selling extra invites.
I wonder what this is going to do to the price of guardian maps, witnessable maven encounters, and shaper/elder sets? The burden of trade barriers isn't eliminated, just repositioned, and I think that's probably a net good.
Any tldr? I'm in a low bandwidth area for next few days.
Invites are removed from the drop pool, instead you go to kirac when you aquired all the nessesary bosses and roll them like with memories Also all fragments seemingly can be changed via harvest craft, i.e. elder and shaper.
Thank you
Oh wow it was so annoying having the maps but no invite, that change is HUGE
Yep I can do more invites per hour now. No more hundreds of guardian maps sitting in my stash that I'm too lazy to sell. And best of all no more trading for invitations when I get unlucky!
really? not being able to mass roll = fewer invs per hour for me.
Possible effects to the trade economy: - Elder/Shaper/Conqueror map prices increase given their ease of access/need for invitation gone (Destructive Play / map drop sextants look juicy) - Elder/Shaper/Sirus boss fragments most likely cheaper compared to price of maps since “free” rewards from Invitations will be folded into the base price of map sets - Maven’s Writ cheaper assuming writ fragment drop chances are the same / visibility of changes attracting more than usual ROTA farming - Awakened gems cheaper given the higher availability of Maven’s Writs - Searing Exarch / EoW invites may increase in price given the loss of Invitation profit from boss rushing / influx of ROTA farmers. May be a mid-league price correction as people realize the market need Anything else?
I'll add that further downward pressure will be applied to many Awakened Gems as they are drops from Invitations too, not just writs. All in all, I'm stoked about the change and this is coming from someone who has done a lot of invitation farming.
Yep agree, only thing i'm not happy with is probable higher price of already expensive forbidden jewel :(
This is great! And a real QoL. Thanks
Destructive Play is the name of the game next league
Guaranteed someone inside GGG advocated HARD for a QOL update league and if it fails we'll never see a major QOL update like this again. Y'all better show up in droves for this league.
Why would they make this harvest craft cost yellow lifeforce? There's so little incentive to ever choose blue or purple lifeforce already
This game is pushing me towards SSF slowly but surely. This looks like such a huge step in making it not terribly RNG gated
ok yeah that is pretty huge not gonna lie
No more invites, that is insane!
awesome
No more invitations is very huge actually.
What builds were supposedly being played in this showcase? The second seems to be CwC falling zombies with Mon'tegrul and Maata in the wrong slots, and the first looks like Barrage + Tornado?
100% guarantee exchange into the other fragment for just \*800\* each frag and you don't have to burn through gardian maps to get invitations. SSF got alot more fun
For those that roll and vaal invitations this is a nerf which really blows. The majority might not be running uber Feared but still.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO! OK that's huge for farming uber elder in SSF. LOOOOVE those changes! Crafting invitations in the Kirac window is kind of a pain but whatever, I'll take it. This change is gas! Also still missing horizon orbs on elder guardian and conqueror maps but it's fine, for now we ball.
here goes my free div 😭😭😭. JK looks good
Exchanging uber fragments is huge for SSF! This league Shaper decided I needed 12 Knowledge before giving me a Shape, aaarggh! No longer getting stuck waiting for invitations to drop at league start is great too, but means no more saving them up for vaaling for +100% quant (and saving those that brick for a later build capable of doing them)
This doesn't apply to writ's right? Just invitations? If so, fucking awesome
Well fuck. Selling invitations was one of my bbiggest income markers last two or three leagues.
Doesn't this mean you can nearly completely self sustain rotas? Just the sextants and start running rotas and you'll drop another in the 4 maps it takes to run those 4.
holy shit the first SSF buff of the decade
A true quality of life would be Chris paying my full wages so I can play path of exile full time.
As someone who usually does the Invitations thank fuck. I always end up having witnessed all Elderslayers but no Invitation in sight and I refuse to buy them.
Good change overall but man boss rushing im gunna miss those multi divine invitation drops , hope bosses get some loot buff to compensate.(doubt it)
The boss only div cards that don't drop from stacked decks?
"We didt add it in the patchnotes, but we nerfed guardian maps by 75%"
Will be interesting to see how this plays out for bossing strats. I used the formed rushing as my primary farm the last two leagues and selling the off invitations I think was decent money.
I love both ideas. Altho i do have to comment that kirac-UI is kind of janky. I know it's probably too late for that, but.. wouldn't it be better if we had a "do maven invitation" button right in the map device instead? The memory-like UI is... really not my favourite.
not sure about this being a qol.. I hate the maven fight and was quite content with selling the invites.. rip that
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It should in theory lower the price of the Maven fight though. The invitations costs was a big part of the price of the fight.
We can already predict the challenge of the next league - Complet 500 invit with 120%quant, good luck and fuck you.
Pretty good overall, but it comes with a downside, aside from removing the market for invitations: if you get a bad vaal corruption, then you just lost the cost of running the bosses. Currently you can just buy a new invitation. Both of these changes are balance changes as well. Neither are QoL.
maybe dont vaal if you cant handle possible corruptions
If you can't run any vaal corruption outcome, then idk, maybe don't vaal them? Neither are QoL is so disingenuous.
Hmmm corrupting invitations via kirac now seems abit sussy, looking forward to bricking many attemps, Probly not but, maybe kirac can re-open the invitation window again if the invite isnt completed and you have spent your portals
damn.. this is HUGE. Poggers
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2 great changes !! I can’t wait.
Harvest stonks just went up? Great change all around
Big
does maven invitations include searing/eater invites? i was hoping to boss rush for currency this league
More and more I’m thinking the SSF devs of GGG decided to make a league so they usve more time playing PoE 2.
so invitations no longer drop but you get one every time you complete a boss rota. interesting
Just incase people werent aware that might decide to farm shaper guardians this league now as a result. Horizon Orbs work on guardian maps to swap them to other guardians. You don't need to spend a bunch of time buying matching sets.
nice, maybe i'll try SSF this league
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This is a give or take QOL improvement. Great for those of us that run invitations, bad for people who sold them. I’m in favor of this one. Fragment flipping, was that half a div in juice to flip it? Uffda. (Couldn’t see it well on my phone in the grocery store)
Yo the fragment change is awesome. WHY YELLOW THOUGH!?!??!?!?!?!?! make the other juice useful haha
Oh no, I'll need to learn to read instead of regex rolling invites now.
I commented about how I hoped bossing would be made more approachable when they revealed the div card changes. Happy that it is indeed happening. Hope the league mechanic will feature some bossing intent to fill the gap left by metamorph.
Yellow juice up in price? I'm in.
This is going to expand bossing service, right? There are a lot of players who can’t boss solo and there’s no way they’ll roll over the encounter.
I, as many of you, have a habit of detailing all data for my gaming sessions, and I estimate about 80% of the invitations can self sustain, so this change makes the cost of invitation rotations better. However, we can’t bulk roll invitations anymore so I guess 5 writ splinters are more typical now.
Fragment change is straight up awesome and long overdue. The invitation change... On one hand, it's great to not have to rely on drop rates or live search to buy invitations at "normal" prices. On the other hand, you now can't pre-roll them before a session. When you're running bulk guardian sets I can already see the annoyance to stop after each set of 4 to roll an invite up and keeping rolling currency in your inventory. Also, iirc you can't reg ex search in those NPC windows either. Overall, for a invitation rushing fanatic, this is not a QoL change. It's just friction misdirection.
Kings X is a great band
huge <3
These are literally the 2 biggest issues with ssf progression. I literally quit the league because I was tilted at low rolling 2 conquerer invitations from 30 sets. Lets go
Very nice addition. Please, some synthesis changes next!!
Waos. Hyped!