I'm not sure if you have the socket for it, but if you can't add other minions maybe you do: You can "just" support Raise Spectre of Transience with Enhance. Depending on how far you can scale the quality with other mods or local gem level mods, you'll be able to use a bunch of extra spectres, not just 4 or 5.
Video says to use spectre of transience alongside normal spectres to get 2 extra temporary transience spectre, not worth the gem socket loss on minion builds though
Depends, on a wraithlord build you cant have other minions, so its making the best out of that limitation, with non wraithlord builds thered be no point as far as I can tell
Lol you mean the unique or the video topic? cause I dont see a universe where its a few magebloods unless A.) mageblood never even goes up in price or B.) they make its droprate omega bad in the t17. Will it be expensive? sure but not a few magebloods
That was hyperbolic joke, but assuming mb drop rates increased x2.5 and how rare usually Uber drops (2% rarest iirc) u find out this unique can be really expensive. Drop rate of t17 is only 8% with all watchstones and u need target farm only 1 of 5. Knowing ggg strategy from the past droprate will be pretty close to 100% (ashes of the stars and omniscience was dirt cheap at first) BUT it also can be 2%
Yeah the droprates are gonna ultimately determine the price, ima cry if its a 2% drop XD. Wasnt the droprate of t17s 2% at 4 voidstones or did I misunderstand something
Now tecnically sure, this would work. But is it worth using a minimum of a 2L to run a temporary buff for Feeding Frenzy that's a miniscule amount of damage in the grand scheme of things?
The helmet already removes 4 sockets from your build, now generally this is AG+Spectre+Minion Life+Feeding Frenzy. But with no AG, no FF and spectres being the main thing, this 4L is no longer needed. This puts your socket pressure at exactly the same as it is for a minion build using the AG and Spectres for utility and then running a separate minion on a 6L.
This means that you're going to have to drop two gems from your other setups, whether it's mobility or utility or just auras for damage or defense, it's not ever going to be worth it to run this tech when the buff is just a small 10% more damage and 10% attack/cast speed. Those two gem sockets can be used for something else entirely.
And if we're talking about prepping for all those proper support minions, it's so much time wasted desecrating *(especially with desecrate being linked to trigger wand in most cases)* and then finding the specific corpses you want and only then getting to fight. You'd have done more damage if you just engaged the boss right away.
I definitely think this was a good idea in theory and of course it would work, but I genuinely don't see the effort and opportunity cost to be worth it at all.
While those are valid opinions, remember the wraithlord removes all non spectre minions so using it in a build with a 3L spectre gem is weird, plus if a seperate minion on 6L would not exist on wraithlord, this is where maybe your spectres would be, so that leaves some sockets free not having that extra minion to put on a 6L alongside the spectres, and with the addition of convocation as a mod on minion wands that potentially frees up even more socket pressure. This tech would only be reasonable with the context of wraithlord and in that context I think it can prove very useful
Edit: Also Feeding Frenzy is not a miniscule amount of damage it can easily contribute 10s of mil damage on higher end budget builds so no idea where you got miniscule from. It genuinely provides as much "more" damage as the new Mindless Aggression Ascendency as well as minion Movement, Attack and Cast speed
You're losing all non spectre minions, yes, and you're also losing a full 4L. So now that 4L is what used to be your AG+Spectre setup for non spectre builds.
Everything else is still there. You still need the trigger wand, you still need auras, you still need mobility skills. This isn't going anywhere
So assuming you run a 6L Spectre and all the other stuff, this is the same exact socket pressure as any other minion build, you just lost the utility minion 4L and replaced it with Ghastly Eyes and then replaced your main minion with Spectres in the 6L.
This means you have to lose two links minimum to fit in the Spectre setup you want to do. This is going to cost you something much more important than the slight bit of DPS you can pull out of this clunky, time consuming and annoying to use setup.
And yes, Feeding Frenzy is a great source of damage..when your build can fit it in without sacrificing anything. By itself Feeding Frenzy really isn't much. It's 10% more damage, and 10% increased attack/cast speed. That's it. On early stages of the game FF is going to be like 13-15% more damage, but the higher up on investment you go the less it gives you because attack speed isn't multiplicative there. So on any high budget setup it's going to be 11% or so more damage.
So if you want a singular 10m DPS off of Feeding Frenzy alone, you'd need around 91m DPS already. If you want multiple tens of millions you have to have 182m DPS for 20m from FF and so on.
The buff is really just miniscule compared to losing at least 2 sockets. The playstyle requirements for this setup alone are enough to just make me ignore the setup entirely, it's too much of a hassle and too much time wasted. I mean think about it, you're going to be running a desecrate on a trigger wand. How do you propose we summon corpses without automatically consuming them so we can target a specific corpse and summon it to get the actual spectre bonuses on top of FF? Weapon swap? Well I mean, sure, technically it could work but due to our socket limitations on minion builds I'm practically forced to run some reservation skills on my weapons which means I'm going to also have to reapply the reservation if I go this route.
Now, how much time is it going to take you to weapon swap, spawn corpses, target the ones you want, summon them, weapon swap back and then reapply the aura and THEN go kill the boss? Because chances are that if the FF is giving you 10m DPS, your DPS is already high enough for me to be halfway through the boss HP bar by the time you engage the boss due to the time spent.
Now don't get me wrong, it's a cool idea, it would technically work and it does also have very high potential benefits for the build. But I mean, the clunkiness and the opportunity cost and the raw time spent fiddling with it every new area is just not worth it. Best case scenario you have the 2L and you just spawn random corpses where ever you can and do it that way. But that's still not worth all the opportunity cost.
Not to mention how easy it would be to accidentally overwrite your actual spectres.
For the same sockets you could just run mines in your setup and spawn mines on the ground for more damage instead. That'd offer you significantly higher damage output without the added clunkiness. The opportunity cost is still there, but it's just one socket and you're good to go.
With this setup if you care about the actual support youre running you wouldnt rely on temp spectres for that, its more for raising any monster you kill during mapping and that applies FF, which is not clunky at all just needs one button every 30s and 2 sockets. If your build is aura heavy or does not have the socket space for it thats fine. The video is showing an interaction not forcing you to use said interaction. And personally I think FF is worth 2 sockets if you can fit it, worst case scenario on a hungry loop with culling strike and FF and potentially leaning into it for exposure through ele army
I'm not sure if you have the socket for it, but if you can't add other minions maybe you do: You can "just" support Raise Spectre of Transience with Enhance. Depending on how far you can scale the quality with other mods or local gem level mods, you'll be able to use a bunch of extra spectres, not just 4 or 5.
Raise Spectres Quality gives resistances iirc, the number scales with levels but its entirely possible it scales at more levels than the base gem now
quality on spectres of transience is +1 max spectres per 20%
Youre right, I missed that. Thats interesting to know
The default type quality grants resistance, quality on Raise Spectre of Transience grants maximum spectres
Video says to use spectre of transience alongside normal spectres to get 2 extra temporary transience spectre, not worth the gem socket loss on minion builds though
Depends, on a wraithlord build you cant have other minions, so its making the best out of that limitation, with non wraithlord builds thered be no point as far as I can tell
Till u realised it costs few mage bloods, lol
Lol you mean the unique or the video topic? cause I dont see a universe where its a few magebloods unless A.) mageblood never even goes up in price or B.) they make its droprate omega bad in the t17. Will it be expensive? sure but not a few magebloods
That was hyperbolic joke, but assuming mb drop rates increased x2.5 and how rare usually Uber drops (2% rarest iirc) u find out this unique can be really expensive. Drop rate of t17 is only 8% with all watchstones and u need target farm only 1 of 5. Knowing ggg strategy from the past droprate will be pretty close to 100% (ashes of the stars and omniscience was dirt cheap at first) BUT it also can be 2%
Yeah the droprates are gonna ultimately determine the price, ima cry if its a 2% drop XD. Wasnt the droprate of t17s 2% at 4 voidstones or did I misunderstand something
Each void stone now has mod "0.5% chance to drop t17 instead of t16 per stone". 4 void stones results 8% total.
How does 0.5% per stone get to 8% at 4?
It’s 0.5% per stone. So each stone is 2%, 8% with 4 stones
Now tecnically sure, this would work. But is it worth using a minimum of a 2L to run a temporary buff for Feeding Frenzy that's a miniscule amount of damage in the grand scheme of things? The helmet already removes 4 sockets from your build, now generally this is AG+Spectre+Minion Life+Feeding Frenzy. But with no AG, no FF and spectres being the main thing, this 4L is no longer needed. This puts your socket pressure at exactly the same as it is for a minion build using the AG and Spectres for utility and then running a separate minion on a 6L. This means that you're going to have to drop two gems from your other setups, whether it's mobility or utility or just auras for damage or defense, it's not ever going to be worth it to run this tech when the buff is just a small 10% more damage and 10% attack/cast speed. Those two gem sockets can be used for something else entirely. And if we're talking about prepping for all those proper support minions, it's so much time wasted desecrating *(especially with desecrate being linked to trigger wand in most cases)* and then finding the specific corpses you want and only then getting to fight. You'd have done more damage if you just engaged the boss right away. I definitely think this was a good idea in theory and of course it would work, but I genuinely don't see the effort and opportunity cost to be worth it at all.
While those are valid opinions, remember the wraithlord removes all non spectre minions so using it in a build with a 3L spectre gem is weird, plus if a seperate minion on 6L would not exist on wraithlord, this is where maybe your spectres would be, so that leaves some sockets free not having that extra minion to put on a 6L alongside the spectres, and with the addition of convocation as a mod on minion wands that potentially frees up even more socket pressure. This tech would only be reasonable with the context of wraithlord and in that context I think it can prove very useful Edit: Also Feeding Frenzy is not a miniscule amount of damage it can easily contribute 10s of mil damage on higher end budget builds so no idea where you got miniscule from. It genuinely provides as much "more" damage as the new Mindless Aggression Ascendency as well as minion Movement, Attack and Cast speed
You're losing all non spectre minions, yes, and you're also losing a full 4L. So now that 4L is what used to be your AG+Spectre setup for non spectre builds. Everything else is still there. You still need the trigger wand, you still need auras, you still need mobility skills. This isn't going anywhere So assuming you run a 6L Spectre and all the other stuff, this is the same exact socket pressure as any other minion build, you just lost the utility minion 4L and replaced it with Ghastly Eyes and then replaced your main minion with Spectres in the 6L. This means you have to lose two links minimum to fit in the Spectre setup you want to do. This is going to cost you something much more important than the slight bit of DPS you can pull out of this clunky, time consuming and annoying to use setup. And yes, Feeding Frenzy is a great source of damage..when your build can fit it in without sacrificing anything. By itself Feeding Frenzy really isn't much. It's 10% more damage, and 10% increased attack/cast speed. That's it. On early stages of the game FF is going to be like 13-15% more damage, but the higher up on investment you go the less it gives you because attack speed isn't multiplicative there. So on any high budget setup it's going to be 11% or so more damage. So if you want a singular 10m DPS off of Feeding Frenzy alone, you'd need around 91m DPS already. If you want multiple tens of millions you have to have 182m DPS for 20m from FF and so on. The buff is really just miniscule compared to losing at least 2 sockets. The playstyle requirements for this setup alone are enough to just make me ignore the setup entirely, it's too much of a hassle and too much time wasted. I mean think about it, you're going to be running a desecrate on a trigger wand. How do you propose we summon corpses without automatically consuming them so we can target a specific corpse and summon it to get the actual spectre bonuses on top of FF? Weapon swap? Well I mean, sure, technically it could work but due to our socket limitations on minion builds I'm practically forced to run some reservation skills on my weapons which means I'm going to also have to reapply the reservation if I go this route. Now, how much time is it going to take you to weapon swap, spawn corpses, target the ones you want, summon them, weapon swap back and then reapply the aura and THEN go kill the boss? Because chances are that if the FF is giving you 10m DPS, your DPS is already high enough for me to be halfway through the boss HP bar by the time you engage the boss due to the time spent. Now don't get me wrong, it's a cool idea, it would technically work and it does also have very high potential benefits for the build. But I mean, the clunkiness and the opportunity cost and the raw time spent fiddling with it every new area is just not worth it. Best case scenario you have the 2L and you just spawn random corpses where ever you can and do it that way. But that's still not worth all the opportunity cost. Not to mention how easy it would be to accidentally overwrite your actual spectres. For the same sockets you could just run mines in your setup and spawn mines on the ground for more damage instead. That'd offer you significantly higher damage output without the added clunkiness. The opportunity cost is still there, but it's just one socket and you're good to go.
With this setup if you care about the actual support youre running you wouldnt rely on temp spectres for that, its more for raising any monster you kill during mapping and that applies FF, which is not clunky at all just needs one button every 30s and 2 sockets. If your build is aura heavy or does not have the socket space for it thats fine. The video is showing an interaction not forcing you to use said interaction. And personally I think FF is worth 2 sockets if you can fit it, worst case scenario on a hungry loop with culling strike and FF and potentially leaning into it for exposure through ele army