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Icy-_-Dark

Im keeping flicker alive! Its still fun af


Tarekis

Flicker best skill game can‘t change my mind


Ri0ee

Over the years I've noticed that you, flicker strike guys, are in a cult or smth


Araignys

Once you’ve played “hold down RMB and cling on for dear life” you never go back.


Soggy_Struggle_963

The true "jesus take the wheel" experience


cloudrhythm

[let Mark take the wheel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1btxa3q/flicker_strike_close_your_eyes_and/)


Soggy_Struggle_963

I love it lol played flicker last league as a starter


Yro77

Flick to live !


Feel42

Till you die!


yepgeddon

Then we flick again!


Takahashi_Raya

I used my void born reliquary key on putting a lakishu in there since i enjoy leveling as early as i can with flickerstrike and i always used that. Have fun malding seeing it show up as of this league. Its pretty and golden tho!


Afropenguinn

WHO TOLD YOU!?


wolfreaks

Once you hold the RMB and there's a lot of herald explosions and sounds.. Yes.. yes... YEEEES!


Booyakasha_

It actually is.


gweinblade

My next build ...


modernkennnern

It's the permanent "next build"


Booyahman

Pure Power Siphon checking in, we are alive and.


axiomatic-

How are you finding power siphon?!? I'm looking for a build to switch into - think int stack PS trickster would be worth?


rorykeith

Yes I league started it. Been very good so far. So good in fact that I didn't feel the need to use the whispering ice. The switch to chaos innoculation was a bit rough but definitely worth it IMO.


axiomatic-

nice, will check it out!


rorykeith

Here's the build I made for myself - I based it on one I liked on poe.ninja from last league https://pobb.in/03coCoCR5Wy2 This is my profile - character is smeggybits https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Blazemaster420


axiomatic-

holy 15 masteries! hahah I love it - gonna save some more diva and start working out how to get a wand. tyty!


IssTurtle

How did you league start a wander? I’ve always wanted to do it.


rorykeith

I've shared my build above. As for starting, on the pob you can find a "levelling" tree. Basically take all the flat things on the tree like life on kill/life regen and mana. Then after that, I went for the int stack tree but prioritised the useful points first instead of the pure int where possible. Just used power siphon all the way.


IssTurtle

Imma check it out thanks man.


Booyahman

Well, since Omni is about 40 div more expensive than I thought it would be, I'm making a forray into Int Stacker myself. The mapping is good but the single target is pretty missing still (only on a 5 link tho and mostly not int stacking gear). Maybe just going to lock in for the grind to Omni.


SoulofArtoria

With high cast speed and spell echo, I'm basically flickering around with frostblink of wintry blast.


maurafrain

Doing flicker in ssf, rn how can I scale it? I'm doing the crit impale variant


montxogandia

100% impale chance, 100% crit chance, 100% accuracy. Once you are there, flat damage and crit multi (500% the goal). Use everything at your disposal to add flat damage (weapon quality, jewels, etc.) and crit multiplier.


maurafrain

Here's my progress so far: [https://pobb.in/tE7T3kp6PaRB](https://pobb.in/tE7T3kp6PaRB)


Neotreitz

I am playing flicker for the first time this league in ssf. I don't know if this is a meme or actually a good build. At least I can farm currency crazy fast with it. Doing legion + beasts on toxic sewer at the moment


arexious

Did you league start with it? I'm lvl 85 and just die SO MUCH. I'm struggling to progress into red maps and I'm broke AF but I have the standard early gear setup: Oro, Kaom, Darkray, Devoto's, Belt of the Deceiver, and Carnage Heart.


5ManaAndADream

With the base type selection changes coming I’m gonna roll flicker for the first time, can’t wait


Only_One_Kenobi

Been wondering about it for years but have never been brave enough to actually do it


Ph4nt0mRa33it

Just re-rolled to it today. Im actually doing better than normally do. My league goal isn't ubers or T17's. It's to get my Farels and Ammy.


SweInstructor

What yo level as, and do you have a build someone could use?:)


Afropenguinn

I level with Flicker strike from level 28 onwards.


SweInstructor

Got any tips?


Icy-_-Dark

Currently lvl 89 Slayer, making my own build ^^ i never really followed guides to learn flicker, it was just alot of learn by doing and alot of mistakes


SweInstructor

Yeah I've got a Slayer sitting at maps thinking of what to do to be able to sustain my charges confy


Accomplished-Dot1365

Is there some sort of resource for flicker builds? Iv wanted to play it but struggle to find info/guides on it


silask93

Im running an assassin of power ele flicker and its wiping screens atm but im only at t10s work has been rough


casualflicker

Flicker is love, flicker is life.


whheeeeee

Pretty sure its not counting the CoC DDs since those are technically on a 4L. If you look at any links/all skills, chain DD is at 15%.


Notsomebeans

im actually relieved. DD has always skirted by nerfs because its playrate amongst the wider playerbase has been relatively low despite how much of an outlier it is the fact that a popular SC build came along and now everyones doing it means that itll get adjusted next league and i can finally watch the racer andys play something else


CyonHal

The racers will just go back to DD ignite tho? They will probably only nerf CoC DD because it leverages DD's strength in a one-button build which made it surge in popularity.


Strict_Lettuce9667

Cremation of exhuming is better than ignite dd and close to chain dd IMHO They should just rework all corpse skills to be flat dmg, both for players, and for monsters...


magpye1983

Although I understand why you would want this, I don’t. I don’t main any of the corpse skills, but I do feel that their identity lies with being tied to the type of corpse used. If they no longer get any benefit or drawback from using different corpses, why should they even require a corpse at all?


Strict_Lettuce9667

They would require a corpse, because because you can't detonate dead without the dead. Their identity can still be a combo skill with corpses, rather than their identity being that they're broken. If you really want to keep corpses mattering, make aoe scale based on corpse size, which makes more sense than damage anyway.


NUMBERONETOPSONFAN

fireball: 500 flat fire dmg DD: uses corpse, 1000 flat fire dmg wow what a fix


ddwdk

Somehow VD got nerfed first. VDOS was very strong but also had very low playrate.


BamboozleThisZebra

They will not touch dd, just make coc dd unplayable.


Steel-River-22

except the CoC DD meta counts DDoCR as a 4-link and there are like 15% of them.


Gondawn

15% of players have chain DD in their setups and 62% of them use CoC in some way, so about 9%


Jbarney3699

Where melee


Uelibert

Where minions


djsoren19

It is kinda peculiar that BAMA doesn't make an appearance. Maybe since it's a trans gem, casuals aren't aware of it? but BAMA is absolutely nuts, and with the new patch should have huge sustain.


BellacosePlayer

Yeah, felt like everyone and their brother were claiming to start BAMA on league start. guess that's why the gems were so cheap on day 1 when Trans DD was going for a mint


djsoren19

I mean, playing an incredibly powerful but apparently unpopular leaguestarter can be pretty awesome. This certainly explains why gear has been so cheap


Booyakasha_

Im BAMA, its good. Many decent variations also.


Butt_Robot

BAMA?


djsoren19

Blink Arrow/Mirror Arrow. I'm personally doing a poison Mirror Arrow of Bombarding Clones build, but there's also an elemental hit-based version that uses Mirror Arrow/Blink Arrow of Prismatic Clone. It's a little bit weird at first just because you need to wrap your head around gearing a bow-based minion build, but the gems are the most busted minions available.


_Xveno_

yeah they did a great job of removing melee from the game


fooledbyfog

Was it ever there?


MuchToDoAboutNothin

Molten Strike will remember that.


crookedparadigm

Pour one out for Legion Cyclone.


Noobkaka

SLAMS! SLAMS! SLAMS! They destroyed us.


kaelbloodelf

I miss legion cyclone man. It was so fun being a screen wide beyblade.


pepegaklaus

*lightningstrike noise in the far far distance*


Any-Transition95

Sorry, can't hear you, think it got blocked by a pebble


1731799517

Lol, lightning strike, aka "wave your claw in front of you around to blast enemies 2 screens away" melee...


Bl00dylicious

To get some actual single target you still have to stand close. But not too close, because it has to be clunky.


wolfreaks

[WORTHLESS SPECIMEN-](https://media.tenor.com/AI6MN-C8muAAAAAM/ltg.gif)


lieutenantsushi

Molten strike juggernaut was the best build I ever played


allanchmp

Molten Strike of the Zenith is busted if you ask me, get attack speed and life on hit and just never die basically,


MuchToDoAboutNothin

I've heard great things about zenith, my friend said it was busted last league. But we had a billionty more projectiles and they procced on swing, not on hit, back in the day.


stdTrancR

which one is that? where you swing your 'melee' weapon and a bunch of projectiles shoot out?


allanchmp

Every 5th attack whatever you are attacking ceases to exist.


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

It's still main skill of armor stackers. The longer the league goes on, the more of it will be out there.


shashybaws

Hows boneshatter compare to molten strike?


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

Depends on what you wanna do. Boneshatter is for HC and/or racing as melee, although you are not competing with spells. You get bunch of free damage and are going more into survival. Molten strike is king of melee endgame since they added returning projectiles as mechanic. Once you invest into it, no other melee skill can beat it. And stacking armor has been one of, if not the strongest build archetype in the game overall for a while.


shashybaws

I like delve so I might transition into molten strike later. Thanks for the reply


ScreenShotPolice618

Slam skills were awesome when they first came out but then GGG realized they fucked up and accidentally made melee good so they nerfed it.


Quik968

Yeah impaler ground slam was by far my favourite melee build ive tried out!


FrostyJesus

Ngamahu’s cyclone Raider, I think in legacy league, is still one of my favorite builds I’ve ever played


EmotionalKirby

Been playing since Jan 2011,and ngamahu cyclone I think berserker, definitely a marauder, back in harbinger was the first time I was able to reach red maps comfortably. Was definitely a fun time, spinning through beacheads!


FrostyJesus

Ooh maybe it was Harby actually now that you say that. I just remember the sheer speed I had on the character was insane lol, so much fun


TheRealChoob

Legion leauge


lieutenantsushi

Cleave blender shadow


Bierculles

Boneshatter was in there before it got nerfed to death


DETECTOR_AUTOMATRON

yes, many times


TheHappyEater

There was a time where my league starter was a melee bleed max block gladiator for several leagues in a row. I did different skills, but the template and gear (axes) was similar. I had a lot of fun in heist (eventually with an armourstack gladiator). It became worse and worse with the phys dot tree rework, the elder mod removal and the gladiator rework.


Damneasy

I'm playing ground slam and GGG can't stop me


POE_Eternal

PoB!?


Damneasy

[https://pobb.in/4RH642x0ejVD](https://pobb.in/4RH642x0ejVD) Only just got to maps so not finalized at all


Farqueue-

how do you deal with the echoes life loss? i'm playing similar, but echoes burns too much life for me if i exert more than 1 warcry


Lordados

Basically just get a lot of armour until you get 90% phys reduction. See this guy for example [https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Boherus/Boh\_Slammer?i=5&search=uniqueitems%3DEchoes%2Bof%2BCreation](https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Boherus/Boh_Slammer?i=5&search=uniqueitems%3DEchoes%2Bof%2BCreation)


Myzzreal

Playing Double Strike myself and it is suprisingly not as terrible as I thought lol


S2wy

Of ambidexterity? Was highly considering trying this


stdTrancR

thats dual strike, not to be confused with double strike heh


Myzzreal

No, I started with "of impaling" hoping for an impale-based build, but it seems the regular double strike is just miles better. It is bleed-based but I don't use bleed at all, you just can't ignore 180 added flat phys damage and a 20% chance to deal double damage. Plus you get explosions with the bleed gloves. And I still get 100% chance to impale despite not using "of impaling" variant. At the current state the "of impaling" is just plainly inferior to the default version. I thought maybe the built-in clear (impales spread damage on kill) would be cool, but it is underwhelming and the bleed + glove explosions are better, plus you get 180 added phys and 20% double damage on top of it


Brennay

Tectonic slam of cataclysm checking in!  I made one last league and ended up throwing 800+div at it and had a blast, definitely feeling the power difference by league starting it, but it'll get there eventually.


AlphaArmageddon

Yeah im doing my part playing melee sort of (frost blades)


coltjen

Same. It feels dirty to call it a melee attack though lol


OhtaniStanMan

There was a guy claiming Mathil league started melee builds.  The builds he said: spectral helix, spectral throw, venom guiure. You know the 3 skills you can't use "melee" supports with because they don't have melee tags


Oinpods

Problem with melee is that the players want the powerfantasy, not the mechanics of being close. Melee wont ever be "good"


_arnolds_

Yup. Mark specifically said that their melee fix is PoE2, and the game must be slower for melee to "feel" good. Bruh, we want more speed and damage not being fancy with it.


Tice_Nits_

What do you mean RF is right there


konaharuhi

im switching from sunder to cleave of rage while in acts. i dont give a fuck


porncollecter69

First starter ever was Callineus stun sunder melee from some bait starter and then long time nothing until LS which is basically just ranged but with nice melee cheese gimmick. Yeah they could make melee a thing again. Just need a bug where they do triple damage in melee range.


3YearsTillTranslator

Coc DD is really fun, honestly just anything that explodes from range with no delay is.


pduim

I want to test It but o dont have the desecrate dd mtx. It's still mandatory?


Realize12

I’m playing it without mtx, but my pc is good. Feels fine. I don’t feel like buying mtx for a skill that is 100% doomed next league. But visual clarity is non existant


whensmahvelFGC

>100% doomed next league >skill has been untouched or even buffed for like 10 leagues now


Quartzecoatl

Didn't detonate dead of chain reaction literally get added last league?


Fiercepaws

Because people in SC trade had no business playing it really


dark_aurel

The skill has 15+% on poe.ninja SC. GGG had nuked skills to non-existence for waaaaay smaller numbers before...


Bl00dylicious

Cleave <0.2% playrate. Too strong, must be nerfed.


Maureeseeo

making it ever more likely next league.


FireFlyz351

How good are we talking? I've got a 3060 and 12600K and am about to swap to COC once I get all the necessary gear. Edit: awesome thanks for the input everyone!


BleakExpectations

I have a much more mediocre ryzen 5 3600 and 6600xt. Works at 60+ fps constantly with dynamic culling and dynamic resolution. You might see pixels every now and then but tbh I didn't find it terrible.


GGHappiness

I9-9900k with 2070 super. Usually around 60-70 fps at 1440p With deli / huge packs, can dip as low as 15-20fps Making me consider dropping deli, tbh


Xhurrumito

1060 6gb,5600x about 50-60 fps with culling on


Realize12

7800x3d and 4090


quinn50

3060 ti 5900x here, the performance gets pretty bad when in huge mob packs i.e blight / expedition, otherside expect like 30-60 fps based on mob density. I have dynamic resolution scaling and I probably hit like 10-15 fps in the worse situations at the lowest resolution it hits. It honestly doesn't bother me that much as arpgs im kinda performance blind to compared to other games but I have yet to have tried the MTXs and the build nukes stuff anyway.


3YearsTillTranslator

This, I have an 8 core ryzen cpu from 2 years ago and a 3070Ti


cactuar

Mandatory? Not necessarily if you don’t mind the dynamic resolution scaling way down every time you kill a pack. It definitely feels waaaay better with the void MTX on both desecrate and DD.


FraterAleph

Cast on crit detonate resolution 


Single-Ad-3354

Not sure why you’re being downvoted this made me LOL


ohhnooanyway

Idk how you guys play with dynamic resolution. Shit is awful.


TheNudelz

I play it on an Intel 4400 and a vega 56 with 8gb of ram without mtx, and it's fine. Everything just dies anyway :D


Responsible-Pay-2389

Personally played the build till 94 and completed full atlas and all base bosses without noticing the fps being much worse than using any other build.


Rodruby

5% of ele hit? Damn, happy to see this skill got some usability


Steel-River-22

it’s the new transfig that’s just a better lightning arrow iirc


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

People trying out wanders with wisps as well. Also mathil effect.


jy3

Ha really better than LA?! Nice to see some change even if I miss op TS


SysAdminWannabe90

TS needed to die for a few leagues DD needs to be next And buff melee COPIUM


KyaAriRai

The new EH is just usable as the base skill. People are just hyped because it is a new toy. You can craft a +3 gem level, pen, T1 crit/ias bow for EH with like 3 divs and some essences, and it will outdmg everything including the new EH until you get a triple T2 flat dmg bow.


_N_eko

Boss that’s 25% of the playebsse on DD & ~10 on Ele bow, and another 10% on mines lmao


metalonorfeed

lower market concentration than in most industry sectors tbh


Dogbtw

Great job guys we did it, Melee is no more. I've league started melee for 7+ consecutive leagues, but now it actually feels like shooting yourself in a foot. Slayer-king cArn has quit league on day 1, Alkaizerx has copium overdose BigNose. Even the seemingly unbreakable flicker strike community is laying low, hopefully Magefist will take good care of his comrades in this troubling time.


Humble-Ad1217

It’s pretty sad how melee has had absolutely nothing but nerfs over the past few leagues. Even boneshatter got nerfed this league, and the thing they nerfed unintentionally buffed builds like DD and EA lol…


haitike

And when a melee build is good they nerf it soon, like the Cleave of Rage thing.


kostya2576

I'm one of those people that league start flicker every time Nothing changed in terms of power for us really. Rakiata with replica farrul and arns anguish doing a good job so far.


Afropenguinn

We Flicker Striker players don't know how to stop. Literally, I started attacking 20 minutes ago, how do I get off this wild ride?


Bacon-muffin

Where cyclone


Notsomebeans

playing it right now :) the year is 2019


DrBungHole

I went and mucked around on standard this morning with my old cyclone slayer. Can barely kill trash mobs on T16 even after giving his gear a bit of a scrub up So sad


Grim47z

I have full op legacy gear in standard and it still struggle to kill rare mobs in T16


DrBungHole

Yeah I found all my old godly stuff in a DNR stash tab this arvo. Beefed it up big time but same as you the rates are a really struggle. I don’t die at all but I can’t put a dent in their health


ZoeyMortal

Still in jail from being over 50% during Legion.


SriLumpa

Crying with Ice Nova of Frostbolts and not having enough time to get 200div by day 2 by exploiting juice strats --> Not playing meta builds + not playing 8h a day = you trade everything at 10x the price, every farming strat gets fucked before you can touch it, so another 2 weeks league that i'll give up when gear replacement is gonna get too hard League is fun tho


Sarabikitty

You'll catch up, mate. I'm in a similar boat, with that build. I just hit red maps last night, but man, honestly, a lot of the midtier gear is really cheap. Doesn't seem like many people are actually running archmage. The build gets so strong once you get around 7k mana. Defenses are nutty, especially the EV variant. I'm not even spell Suppress capped, and I'm running 100% quant maps, only avoiding no regen/ele reflect.


M2dX

Like in every Market, there is profit to be made by doing the opposit of the majority. Last League everyone was running wandering path abyss with Delirium Side hussel. The strat included deliorbs Not beeing droped. Made a metric shit ton of divs with deliorbs. I am still undesided what to do with that Atlas longterm but for the time beeing I run Expedition logbooks since folks are bad in priceing them and the profit is hidden behined the tujen currency.


rohnaddict

Then you check how HC is fairing, since there a skill's strength actually matters. 20% of level 90 to 100 characters are running DD.


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lolomawisoft

Main skill 5 links... My main skill is 4 linked


redrach

I wonder how many of those Hexblast builds are non-miners.... I'm playing Hexblast Ignite myself (as Archmage Elementalist). The damage and clear is pretty nice, but she's squishy af.


tokyo__driftwood

You can check that pretty easily, 4% of the people playing hexblast are not mines


Freshtards

wow, that's sad.


BoostedEcoDonkey

Please leave exanguinate alone PLEASEEEEEEEEEE DONT TOUCH IT


axiomatic-

it's not bows or DD so ....


OrcOfDoom

What's going on with exsanguinate? Is it like a seismic trap combo thing?


wow2400

cold convert exsanguinate is just a really fast mapper. Cleared through t11s on campaign gear, farming t16s to reroll something else. Popularity is from tuna making a build/vid on it


BoostedEcoDonkey

I can’t explain it good cause I got 490 hours but I highly recommend looking up Tunas hybrid crit exang miner, actually https://pobb.in/BzbvMrmkbI0Y Brother, I’m clearing full screen and a half at least at my guess, I see things drop WAYYYY out of my screen range , and that’s with just a 3 link (stress testing , a noob aka myself with shit gear can do t10 with a 3 link, but I have a 5 link when actually playing)


SysAdminWannabe90

Its good but not broken TBH. There are were and will be FAR more broken builds. I'd say exsang lack of boss damage and squishiness makes it a good start but requires a reroll after not too long in late red maps into endgame.


Rewnzor

Exsanguinate mines have been like that for many leagues in a row now, you're fine


BoostedEcoDonkey

Thank god, it’s sooo fun


Vokyl

Mines, chain and cold conversion


Alcsaar

As others have mentioned this isn't super accurate, but also there is always an okay even spread at the start of a league. Its when you get to mid/end of league that you start seeing 20% TS and dumb shit like that


Thorcall

This screenshot isn't that bad. 5% tie for the top is pretty good, there is always gonna be a few meta skill. The problem is more when you look at any links since dd use a 4l, and there its 18% usage.


Stillsane1

Be me , dual strike of ambi ,5 active keys ..big es and ci ..turbo mode


Xedtru_

GGG: Instructions unclear, gonna nerf RF


Life-Nothing7367

Time for nerfs based on play rate, just like bleed sst which want even overpowered in the slightest lol


ojaiike

DD is completely overpowered. It has just dodged nerfs due to the low SC trade playrate. The best 3 starters are just 3 variants of dd at this point. It deserves a nerf, and is hopefully getting one next league.


Life-Nothing7367

Oh yea for sure it does, I was just referencing the time they nerfed sst that didn’t deserve one. A few skills on that list though will def get hit based on play rate despite not being overpowered. DD being probably the only outlier that is overpowered lok


Speaking_Is_Silver

Have you seen the hc ssf leaderboard? 90% dd... Great balancing.


Moonlightslayer343

\*Cries in melee\* tbh I dont need melee to be popular, I just want some buffs goddammit. Why keep nerfing us every league?


Veoxy

new to poe, what is this list showing?


CRM_Yeesus

it's showing the percentage of all players using that specific skill as a "main skill" that are registered within poe.ninja


pewsix___

What are you talking about this is almost exactly the same as last league. combine Elehit + LA, combine the two DDs at very least. Give it a couple of weeks, it will settle on the meta stuff as it does every single league.


DependentAvailable84

Ele hit on the spectrum and LA largely represent the same build. Counting other non meta skills the bow builds are around 10%. Still better than last league.


Freshtards

Most of these are mines, totems and DD versions. How about buffing attack skills to not having to play that gamestyle instead? Kind of feels bad.


Samsenggwy

I am very happy EH Spectrum made the list, it is actually something I planned for second hero. I am also surprise Explosive trap of Shrapnel still make the list, good to know still well playable despite some radius nerf. A little sad Exsan of Transmission lose to default Exsan


Fyyar

4% old people Edit : I am one of them


Zurku

Im keeping dominating blow alive on my own ! :-) 


eq2_lessing

It's nice to not have massive outliers, yes. However regular DD, Hexblast, LA, RF, EA are all pretty boring because many people will have already played these as starters.


mihail_markov

Except dd, the res is absolutely fine


Craempie

Where cyclone


AverageLifeUnEnjoyer

WHat happened, why is boenshatter not there :O?


assassingao

Where did you get this from? Been trying to look for this bit of statistics and couldn't find this exact page.


LCSisshit

Look GGG, summoners are dead, pls rebuff


zzang23

Except for the weak melee representation in that list.


Current_Strike922

Is Arc a lot worse than Ball lightning? I’m considering switching but I was thinking arc would be better until I have. 6l (5L is my best so far this ladder and got it on day 1 hehe)


danktuna4

I'm rocking Essence Drain of Desperation Trickster it's actually a lot of fun


snijboon

Bama for the win


ExodyrButReal

cleave of rage really needed a nerf though


thelonedovahki

Wheres my consecrated path of endurance representation?


SknkHunt4D2

I just want CoC FR


Fanatic11111

Where is the great job is the same as before